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Tribunal Justice - Season 3 - Episode 11: Racist Road Rage Wreck
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00:02You decided to commit a hate crime no we're yelling he spits me I spit back on him felt
00:07really racially motivated did you ever threaten to kill him no that's a lie
00:14two immature men getting in each other's face and that's the scary part now on tribunal justice
00:44today's case was filed in bridgeport connecticut yeah this is case number three zero one three on
00:50the calendar and that of saint raymond versus gonzalez parties have been sworn in you may be
00:55seated thank you bird what a case or shall we call it a cautionary tale mr saint raymond you are
01:02suing mr gonzalez because you allege that he intentionally crashed his vehicle into yours
01:08correct and your claim is for four thousand nine hundred and thirty one dollars correct and that's
01:12for vehicle damage towing and storage fees and attorney's fees mr gonzalez you say that you owe
01:18the plaintiff nothing and that he caused his own damage after he engaged in a hate crime against you
01:24correct mr saint raymond you say that before the collision mr gonzalez was trying to run you off
01:33the road can you go to the chart and show us what happened well you'll have a chance to sir
01:37well this
01:38king's highway here is a four lane highway it's two way these two lanes go this way these two lanes
01:44go that
01:44way okay and we were both on this side and the defendant we crossed over this way almost backed me
01:56into
01:56this lane where oncoming traffic was and i pulled back i put my brakes on and honked my horn both
02:03ended
02:03up turning and we ended up here okay i'm gonna pause you right there mr gonzalez you say in your
02:08answer
02:09that you were trying to get over he gave you a dirty look and did not want to let you
02:14over yes you
02:15show me what happened absolutely
02:19so as our cars were headed on king's highway north we were eventually going to take a left on villa
02:24avenue
02:28the plaintiff was on the left hand side ready to take a left turn as well i was on the
02:33right hand
02:34side i needed to merge in he did not want me to merge so he essentially tried to speed up
02:39to prevent
02:39me from essentially getting into that lane so i'm going to go ahead and move these other vehicles just
02:44to illustrate that the saint raymond is behind me now that i've been in now that i've now that i
02:51was
02:51successfully able to merge into his lane uh i take my left turn uh saint raymond is as well behind
02:59me
02:59however he instead takes the left hand turn giving the impression that he's going to enter the plaza
03:05that is on the left hand side of villa avenue he never had any intentions of entering i'm going to
03:09stop you right there i don't think you know and there's no evidence in the record as to what his
03:13intentions were i'll ask you to go back to the podium sir and i will note for the record the
03:18fact that
03:19you were aware of the fact that he wasn't trying to let you over but you kind of said i'm
03:24going to come
03:25over anyway is a little bit troubling so mr saint raymond he's gotten in front of you why is it
03:31that
03:31you went over into the next lane instead of staying behind them well first of all he was right i
03:37was
03:37ahead of him and he was trying to pass me and then he comes over like this and we ended
03:44up here at this
03:46point the defendant and i were having words you had a war of words your honor he was looking me
03:51right in
03:51the eye he turned his wheel like this and then slammed his door into the accelerator and then bam
03:57and this is car and does five thousand dollars worth of damage very good so mr gonzalez you maintain
04:02that the collision happened because you wanted to make sure he didn't get away yes so you go to the
04:07chart sure and i'd like you to show me your version of what happened okay so as both vehicles uh
04:13are basically on villa as he rolls his car directly next to mine he starts screaming i can't hear what
04:20he's saying but i i simply started laughing because i know that he's visual he's visibly upset that i
04:25overtook him in the lane so as i rolled my window down i can hear him screaming that's when he
04:30decides
04:30to spit in my face from his vehicle into mine so after he spits in my face uh i essentially
04:36just park my vehicle in front left fender first however my vehicle in no way shape or form touches his
04:43vehicle the only reason his vehicle ever makes contact with mine is because he makes an attempt to try to
04:48flee
04:49the scene all right i'll ask you to go back to the podium and the police did in fact find
04:54you at
04:54fault for the accident but that's not really the end of the interaction between the two of you
04:58because you called 9-1-1 sir did you not yes can we play the 9-1-1 tape please
05:26mr st raymond that was your voice rather saying he's about to kill me yes but there was certainly
05:32no evidence that he was trying to kill you in fact can we look at video number two because the
05:37police
05:38showed up on the scene and they caught very good visuals and that's you sir is it not approaching the
05:44defendant mr gonzalez yes and you can see where his car has hit mine and your car mr gonzalez you
05:50can see
05:50it is over the line at the time he gave me signs that he was literally going to leave as
05:55he was entering
05:55back into your phone you have a cell phone you could i i i introduced this case as a cautionary
06:02tale
06:02because this happens all the time and sometimes people get shot sometimes people are subject to
06:10much greater damages than either of the two of you had with respect to your vehicles yes i agree your
06:16honor when he hit me when he slammed into me intentionally yes i kind of lost it i was very
06:22mad and
06:23where he lied he said he was he thought i was going to get away i would i had to
06:27stand in front
06:28of his car so he wouldn't drive away so that's when that's when i said he's going to kill me
06:33because
06:33he was saying let me throw this out the defendant's position is that that collision occurred as part of
06:40an exchange that you escalated spitting on someone as an assault so that perhaps this was all a part of
06:47an unfortunately violent exchange that you are in some part responsible for and then you were
06:52in fact arrested by the police and charged with the hate crime because i note that among the
06:57damages that you're seeking against the defendant were towing fees but you were arrested didn't the
07:03police tow your car can we please put up the body cam video of inside the police station you were
07:08being
07:08booked my car was not drivable it had to be i don't know if the car wasn't drivable well or
07:15if in fact
07:15the car was towed into the police tow yard because you decided to spit on somebody and commit a hate
07:21crime
07:21i spit on him after he spit on me we both spit on each other that wasn't in the police
07:26report but
07:27again no evidence of that but what i will entertain are some of your damages you've submitted this four
07:33thousand dollar estimate yes but when i looked at your damages one there was no picture and you didn't
07:38submit any evidence of damage you submitted an estimate which refers to my goodness a myriad of
07:45things including damage to the roof like what did he do he used his superpowers to evade your spit and
07:51then jump on the roof and start jumping up and down no ma'am he slammed into my car and
07:55i a week after
07:57the accident i brought the car into my auto repair person and they came up with the estimate how do
08:02you
08:02explain the claim for damage on the roof that was in your estimate um i don't know i just took
08:08the car
08:08into my mechanic my body shoppan and why didn't you submit any pictures of the damage you know i i
08:15wish
08:15i had taken pictures but they put me in handcuffs i couldn't take pictures judge domingo well i have to
08:20say the reality here is is that this incident on the street was the confluence of two immature men
08:26getting in each other's face and the reality here is that if any one of you had a gun you
08:32don't know
08:33what would have happened next and you didn't even have car insurance did you coming up on tribunal
08:41justice how did his spit hit you in the face i mean you guys are like a car length apart
08:52stephen saint raymond claims brian gonzalez intentionally slammed into his car so he's suing
08:58for nearly five thousand dollars in damages but brian says stephen is the one who hit his car
09:04then spat on him because of his race the reality here is that if any one of you had a
09:10gun you don't
09:11know what would have happened next and that's the scary part and you didn't even have car insurance
09:17did you no i did when an officer approaches my vehicle he asked me for my identification which
09:23included my license and my insurance anybody can hand an insurance card over i have
09:28insurance cards in my card that say i'm insured till hell freezes over but the reality is when
09:33you call the insurance company they'll say it's not always paid or not i don't know if you have a
09:38letter from your insurance company but the point is just two people on the road doing what they
09:43shouldn't be doing and that's playing chicky basically so now you're next to each other you
09:47both stopped you admit you spit now how did his spit hit you in the face i mean you guys
09:54are like
09:54a car length apart so when he spits does he hit you in the face with the spit yes no
10:00we're yelling
10:01he spits me i spit back in him all right so now one of two things could happen you could
10:06let him go
10:07take his license plate call the police what do you do instead of that you cut him off now you
10:13already
10:13know he's hot and agitated right yeah and you are too because you think it's funny that he's hot and
10:19agitated at the moment absolutely you think it's a step you think it's funny so now you're engaged in
10:24this this is why i'm saying you're like two immature kids so now you put your car in front of
10:28him and
10:28now your fear is i'm doing that because god forbid he should get away i did not try to get
10:33out of
10:34there that that's incorrect your honor i got out of my car i was afraid he would drive off and
10:39you
10:39heard me on the 911 call yeah you were a lunatic on the 911 call i was because he was
10:43yelling
10:43i'm gonna run your ass over and yes i was afraid did you at any point mr gonzalez did you
10:48at any point
10:49say i'm gonna run you over get out of the way no that's a lie but there's a criminal act
10:53here for
10:54which you were arrested and charged with harassment and i'm not proud and you went to your diversionary
10:58program with regard to you mr gonzalez your incident where you cut in front of him your car is hit
11:05and
11:06you're given a summons for moving into the wrong lane is that correct yes by the way sir there's no
11:12request by you for any damage to your vehicle the insurance company covered your damages sir so for
11:18that incident he actually had hit the door and obviously the mirror in that angle but i did not
11:23file a claim for it because i was simply going to fix it myself or is that because you didn't
11:27have
11:27insurance company no no because you could have sued his insurance company i could have but i really just
11:31wanted to put this whole situation behind me because it was right after work did you have to pay a
11:35fine or anything the traffic summons oh no i pleaded not guilty it was dismissed you pled not guilty to
11:40being
11:41in the wrong lane absolutely you were in the wrong lane judge levy when i first reviewed all this
11:48material because mr st raymond that this whole story about you spitting in his face was just not true
11:55unless you are a watermelon seed spitting champion cars are about seven or eight feet wide you got to go
12:02through the entire vehicle between the two vehicles and nail you with your little head
12:09all the way in your car and i thought to myself number one there's no evidence that you actually
12:14did spit but now you admitted that you did maybe you did hit him in the face may i comment
12:18yeah okay
12:20both spits didn't hit either person his spit didn't hit me my spit didn't hit him but he's saying
12:26it hits you're in the face right yes well he's lying well it doesn't make a difference if he's lying
12:30or not because even if it's true it gives him all the motive to ram into your car anyone would
12:35be
12:35furious if they got spit in the face let me ask you this mr gonzalez did you ever threaten mr
12:42st raymond
12:43prior to the police coming did you ever threaten to kill him no what about before they arrived before
12:49they arrived he was on my vehicle in front banging on the hood of the car as the car was
12:54neutral put it
12:54in neutral so i said do you want me to kill you because the car he's in front of the
12:58car and it's in
12:59neutral now i didn't say i was going to kill him and you remember denying that to the police when
13:04they
13:04interviewed you right yes yeah so you lied to the police because you knew that it would make you
13:10look bad right i know how the cookie crumbles i know you do let's listen to that 9-1-1
13:15clip again clip
13:16one
13:43do you want me to do it do you want me to do it
13:46What were you going to do?
13:48The car could have easily gone forward
13:49or I could have in anger accidentally pressed the gas pedal.
13:51So he was in a dangerous position himself.
13:53That is why I said what I said.
13:54By the way, Mr. St. Raymond,
13:56the issue of your request for towing fees and attorney's fees
14:00is due in part because you claim that the defendant did something
14:04that got you arrested, right?
14:06No, no, sir. I got myself arrested.
14:08You got yourself arrested.
14:09Let's see what you did to get yourself arrested.
14:13Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
14:15I didn't see the accident, but obviously you need the breathalyzer.
14:19I've been in help here for over 30 years.
14:20You need the breathalyzer.
14:26Steven St. Raymond is suing Brian Gonzalez
14:29for nearly $5,000 in damages after ramming his car,
14:33then threatening to run him over.
14:35Brian says Steven hit his car out of rage,
14:38committing a hate crime against him.
14:41Let's see what you did to get yourself arrested.
14:43Stop running in the street.
14:47Calm down.
14:50Calm down.
14:51You can call me as f*** as long as you want.
14:53It doesn't change that you hit me.
14:55Calm down.
14:56Calm down.
15:00I'm okay right now.
15:02I'm dealing with somebody right now.
15:04You don't know a big bunch of guys.
15:06I'm just telling you what happened.
15:08First of all,
15:08are you hurt at all?
15:12Are you hurt at all?
15:14I'm not hurt at all.
15:15Are you hurt at all?
15:16No, but he did ramming to my car.
15:17Hold on.
15:19Hold on.
15:20Hold on.
15:23I appreciate it.
15:24You can hang up with him.
15:25No, no, no.
15:26Thanks a lot.
15:26No, no, no.
15:27No problem.
15:27I'm concerned about the gulet.
15:28Let me stop right here.
15:29I stopped because I heard him come f***ing spit in my face.
15:32Okay.
15:33How can you justify just f***ing from that lane to this lane?
15:36How can you justify that?
15:37Come here for a second.
15:38No, no, no.
15:41One more outburst and you're coming with me.
15:44So we're clear.
15:45The police report filed by the officer on the scene, the first one, put in that report that
15:50you, sir, committed no action that contributed to the accident.
15:55So 1723 clip two.
15:58Let's play the video.
16:01I didn't see the accident.
16:02My name is Mark.
16:03My name is Patty.
16:04Go ahead.
16:05I didn't see the accident, but obviously you need the breathalyzer.
16:08I've been in health care filters over 30 years.
16:10You need the breathalyzer.
16:11Just jump in.
16:12Stop it right there.
16:13Stop that.
16:13Just so we're clear.
16:14The police report, they indicated there was no alcohol or drugs that affected you in
16:19any way.
16:20You were not at fault at all.
16:22Correct.
16:22Keep going.
16:24This is where the problem.
16:26There you are on the ground.
16:28Stop.
16:29That was you on the ground.
16:31May I comment on that?
16:31Yeah, you can.
16:32How'd you get on the ground?
16:33I sat on the ground because I realized I was out of control and I figured I would be
16:37better off just sitting and being still.
16:39I never, ever implied or stated that a police officer made me sit.
16:44So let's keep going.
16:45He's still looking to an officer partner.
16:47That's not appropriate.
16:48You know that's not normal behavior.
16:50He got out of his car in front of that car, yelled at the gentleman.
16:53The gentleman got out of his car and he got in front of the man, just the young guy's
16:58car.
16:58He hit the top of his car and said, you try to run me away.
17:01Yeah, did you hear him spit?
17:02Did you see him spit at all?
17:04Who?
17:05I did not see him spit.
17:08I told you, that was it.
17:13That's it.
17:14Come on, get arrested.
17:15That's it.
17:16You're under arrest.
17:18You're not cooperating.
17:18Come on, get in there.
17:19And there you go.
17:20You did that yourself.
17:21I was angry.
17:22You were angry.
17:23So those two, towing and attorney's fees, chances are I'll speak to my colleagues,
17:27not going to make it.
17:28You said, Mr. Gonzalez, that one of the reasons why you don't think you owe the plaintiff anything
17:33is because the plaintiff spit at you, cut you off because of your race.
17:39Because that's a hate crime, right?
17:40After hearing the word used more than 10 times, that's what made me believe it felt really
17:45racially motivated.
17:46Do you remember giving a statement to the police during their interview of you when
17:51you said the reason that he was so upset, you said it was because you cut him off.
17:56You know what?
17:57Don't answer that.
17:58Let's play it.
17:58All right.
17:59Go for it.
18:11So that's why he was infuriated, because of how you drove prior, right?
18:16Right.
18:16Nothing to do with your skin.
18:18Right.
18:18Okay.
18:18Sure.
18:19So we're clear.
18:20The police report found you to be the cause of the accident.
18:23And it also included a policy number from Progressive Insurance that you provided the
18:29police with, correct?
18:30Yes.
18:30The digital card.
18:31Can you please, Cassandra, show this to the plaintiff?
18:34This is the Progressive letter with respect to the insurance claim that was filed by you
18:38against the defendant.
18:40Read the highlighted portion.
18:41The 2013 Volkswagen GTI had no policy with any member of the Progressive Group of Insurance
18:47Companies at the time of the accident.
18:50And that's the reason why you couldn't get his insurance company to pay for the damage,
18:54which is why you had to sue him.
18:55Spot on.
18:56Got it.
18:56Yes, sir.
18:57I have nothing further.
18:58We are going to retire to deliberate at this time.
19:01We'll be back.
19:03Court now stands in recess.
19:04This case will be recalled.
19:06Parties are excused.
19:15Candidly, I don't think the plaintiff has made his case, because I'm not at all convinced
19:18of his damages.
19:20He included a damage estimate for $4,000 that included everything under the sun.
19:24When I asked him, for instance, about the specific claim of damage to the roof, I'm like,
19:29how do you support that?
19:30He was like, well, I just took the car in and that's what they told me.
19:34We have not one picture of the car before, not one picture of the car afterward.
19:39So, to me, causation and liability on the defendant is pretty clear.
19:44He caused the accident.
19:45But I'm not going to make up a damage number, particularly when the plaintiff himself couldn't
19:50be troubled to submit a picture of his damaged car.
19:53At least then we would see some correlation between the accident, between the repair estimate,
19:59and the car.
19:59Right now, we have a repair estimate, and he says, well, I just took it in, and they
20:03told me a bunch of stuff.
20:04I just don't find that all persuasive.
20:06Well, that was visible on the video at another time.
20:09Here's the accident report.
20:10And the accident report, it indicates the motor vehicle damage diagram.
20:17And what they're saying is his vehicle was damaged at number two, number three, and number four.
20:23Correct, which is on the passenger side, over the right tire, and along that way.
20:28Again, I still do not know the extent of those damages, and I don't see how they corroborate.
20:34I mean, the police report also said that it was a minor side swipe and minor damage.
20:38But the bottom line is, assuming that we find the damages, assuming we recognize that the
20:43fault was with the defendant, because it's pretty clear that it was, where are we with
20:47regard to other issues?
20:49I believe the statute of limitations in this case is already run.
20:53The filing was 21 days late.
20:56I mean, I don't see any way around that.
20:58I would say, but for the statute of limitations, I would have awarded him.
21:03Everything.
21:03Everything except for the tow fees and for the legal fees, because that was as a result of
21:07him getting arrested for breach of peace.
21:09Oh, yeah, we wouldn't give him the legal fees on that.
21:11So, but for that, I believed everything that he said.
21:15And I agree with you about the statute of limitations.
21:17I think I'm on my own with respect to a dismissal based on lack of evidence of damages.
21:23Yeah.
21:23But we're unanimous on dismissing his case.
21:26Dismissed in its entirety.
21:31Court is back in session.
21:33Parties are reminded you're still under oath.
21:35Thank you, Bert.
21:36We've deliberated and we've reached a unanimous verdict.
21:39I like the fact that we don't have to escalate this case into a debate about racism and tension.
21:48Like, this case is far more simple than that.
21:50You were found at fault for the accident.
21:53But, sir, I really had questions and problems with your proof of damages, and I would have dismissed your case
22:01on those grounds.
22:02Certainly, on the police report, there were some indications and some notations about where minor damage had been found on
22:08your car.
22:09It wasn't clear to me how much of that was necessarily caused by the defendant, and your damage estimate just
22:15wasn't corroborated by any independent evidence that I was able to credit.
22:19My colleagues didn't feel the same way.
22:21They would have awarded you everything you were asking for except for the towing fees and the storage and attorney's
22:29fees.
22:29They would have given you damages for your vehicle.
22:31However, they found that they cannot do that because you filed your case too late.
22:37You missed the statute of limitations by 21 days.
22:41And I would also join in that assessment.
22:43So your case is dismissed.
22:45It is dismissed with prejudice.
22:47And I must say, this case doesn't need to be here.
22:50It really is.
22:51It's much ado about nothing, and you all turned it into the civil war.
22:54Unnecessary.
22:55Your case is dismissed, sir.
22:56Good luck.
22:57This case is now concluded.
22:59Parts are excused.
23:00You may step out.
23:04$4,000 did my damage to my car, and he gets off scot-free.
23:07At the end of the day, I still do feel that there was some level of racially motivated hate coming
23:11from the plaintiff.
23:12He lied repeatedly to the judges.
23:14I'll just accept their decision as a win.
23:16I was willing to risk my life to prevent him from driving off.
23:18You can tell that he wasn't in the right state of mind.
23:20We live in very woke times, and people can hitch a car and have no insurance, and that's fine with
23:29America.
23:30God bless America.
23:31Just watch out for road wages, and watch out for that plaintiff in particular.
23:35Have you been scammed?
23:37Let the majority rule in your favor on Tribunal Justice.
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24:01We're going to do it again.
24:02We're going to do it again.
24:04Let's go to the right si'n you and you next time.
24:05Kevinlaughter.
24:06You're going to be right.
24:08Get off ideas.
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