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One Night in Idaho: The College Murders - Season 1 - Episode 03: Part 3
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00:15It had been a month and a half since the killings occurred.
00:20I get up and I have like multiple missed calls.
00:24My supervisor, she's like, they're having a press conference.
00:26What do you think it means?
00:27I said, they got someone.
00:31At this point, the case took off to a whole new level.
00:34The FBI took a suspect into custody.
00:37It is a man in his 20s, but beyond that, there are very few details.
00:42When I was getting ready to board a plane, I heard a person say they made an arrest.
00:46I said, wait, excuse me, they made an arrest?
00:49This arrest happened thousands of miles away from that horrific crime scene.
00:55We tried our best to speculate, but we didn't come close.
00:58There are so many questions still unanswered.
01:00What connects this suspect to the victims?
01:02Any theory that I even had was just thrown out the door.
01:07This is a new name and a new face in the investigation.
01:10We are getting our first look at the man arrested for the murders of four years.
01:13First time we saw the individual, we were just like, who is this?
01:18Why did he do this?
01:19I just didn't even think about the possibility that it could have been a random person.
01:43A major development in a closely watched murder case.
01:46Just moments from now, police in Moscow, Idaho will hold a news conference.
01:50This room is absolutely packed here at Moscow City Hall.
01:54Dozens of reporters here inside, bunches of TV cameras.
01:57So we're all sitting there, mostly a bunch of local newspaper reporters, people within
02:02like an hour or two of Moscow.
02:04And there was a press conference.
02:08Last night, detectives arrested 28-year-old Brian Christopher Kohlberger in Albrightsville,
02:16Pennsylvania.
02:17Kohlberger resides in Pullman, Washington and is a graduate student at Washington State
02:22University.
02:23Due to Idaho state law, we are limited in what information we can release today until Kohlberger
02:30has his initial appearance in Idaho court.
02:33I went to my friend's house and we all were like, do you know who he is?
02:37Do we know who he is?
02:38And none of us know.
02:39My first reaction was, who the hell is this guy?
02:43He is just this random person that has nothing to do with any of our lives.
02:47You all now know the name of the person who's been charged with these offenses.
02:52Please ask the public, anyone who knows about this individual, to come forward.
02:57I was told that they had made an arrest.
02:59Someone named Brian, I was like, Brian?
03:02It's like, I've never even heard of a Brian.
03:04Like, why would this random guy from Pullman that no one's met before do this?
03:10Lauren Patterson, Northwest Public Broadcasting, Spokane Public Radio.
03:14Is our community safe or is law enforcement still on the search for other suspects who
03:20might be involved in this attack?
03:21What I can tell you is we have an individual in custody who committed these horrible crimes.
03:27And I do believe our community is safe.
03:32For weeks, it really felt like a cloud was hanging over Moscow.
03:36And now here we were sort of close to getting some closure about this horrible nightmare that
03:43we've been living through.
03:47As my dad was reading, you know, the details of who they arrested, I just was crying.
03:53And my mom said, it's over.
03:56And I said, no, mom, it's just the beginning.
04:09When the arrest was made, we could all breathe a little bit easier that there was somebody
04:15out there that that was no longer out potentially on the streets, I guess.
04:20I was glad to hear that they had caught a person.
04:29Because as a father, you don't know where that person was.
04:36There was a real weight off my chest.
04:43It was six weeks of an absolute nightmare.
04:47Not knowing why.
04:50Every waking minute, wondering who could even commit this crime.
04:57There was never, you know, this solid moment where you're not thinking about it.
05:05And it's someone completely random.
05:10Very far away, which makes even less sense.
05:17Brian Koberger is facing four counts of felony first-degree murder.
05:21He remains behind bars inside the Monroe County Correctional Facility.
05:25He'll have his first hearing before a judge on Tuesday afternoon.
05:29The story making international headlines for the last seven weeks.
05:33Brian!
05:33Brian, is he doing it?
05:35Brian, is he doing it?
05:37Brian, is he doing it?
05:45There was actually more attention on the case now than there even was before.
05:49Brian Koberger will be extradited back here to Idaho to face charges for the most heinous crime that this city
05:55has ever seen.
05:57There was a lot of hubbub about him even just arriving back in Moscow.
06:04There was a crowd of people waiting for him to arrive when he was driven into the jail.
06:09The man accused of brutally murdering four University of Idaho students last month is now back in Idaho.
06:16We expect Koberger will have his first court appearance tomorrow.
06:24That night, I went down to the Corner Club, the local bar in Moscow.
06:29The mood was jovial.
06:31People were celebrating, clinking glasses, like, we got the guy, like, you know, fuck him.
06:40Yeah, my buddy's the one who, like, drove him over in the car,
06:44and my buddy's the one who was one of the paramedics on the scene.
06:48Like, people in town had a lot of pride with how the local community had really rallied.
06:54Several people were like, thank God, he's not one of us.
06:58It would have destroyed me if it was someone else, like, from Idaho.
07:01Like, if it was, like, an Idaho-on-Idaho thing.
07:05It's a small town.
07:06Everybody knows everybody.
07:09There was just, like, this huge sense of relief.
07:12This guy's from the East Coast.
07:13He's an outsider.
07:19When I first heard of Brian Koberger,
07:21I was a student at Washington State University.
07:24I remember reaching out to my counterpart there.
07:27I said, you need to hold on tight,
07:29because the tidal wave that just hit our campus is now coming your way.
07:33All the scrutiny, the media attention.
07:37We've been digging into Koberger's background.
07:39It appears as though he was a PhD criminology student at Washington State University.
07:44His field of study there now seems an eerie one.
07:47When the news media reported that there was an arrest,
07:50I was working at Washington State University as a research faculty member,
07:55an associate professor of criminology.
07:58Brian Koberger had been the teaching assistant.
08:01This is a person who's going to attend class, assist with grading.
08:04They're going to hold office hours.
08:06They're going to do a lot of the things that faculty members do.
08:10To learn that this was a student that was enrolled in a PhD program
08:14in criminal justice and criminology was,
08:17my heart sank.
08:20Koberger was living at an apartment in Pullman, Washington.
08:23That's just about nine miles away from the crime scene in Idaho.
08:28Pullman, Washington and Moscow, Idaho are two college communities.
08:33They just sit sort of right on the border.
08:36It's a 15-minute drive from Moscow.
08:38You can literally walk to that campus from our campus in an afternoon.
08:43It did make sense when I heard that Brian Koberger was a student
08:47at a neighboring university, someone who was in the area at the time.
08:52There was just a lot of questions.
08:54Who is this person and why was he in Moscow?
08:57But the number one question in this case has always been why.
09:01Why? How did he know the victims?
09:08We were keeping our eyes on everything.
09:12We wanted to know, how does this guy tie in?
09:16We have a face to associate with the crime.
09:21But that's all we got.
09:26The first time they brought Brian Koberger into the courtroom,
09:29when they opened the doors,
09:33a chill swept through the courtroom.
09:38It was just a really eerie, surreal feeling
09:43to see him for the first time.
09:49Just seeing him.
09:52And he was probably, I don't know, maybe eight feet away from me.
09:57I almost really wanted to take him out myself, right there.
10:01It was, okay, you've got to calm down.
10:05And my wife actually was holding on to my arm
10:10because she was afraid I was going to go do something.
10:15I remember just holding his arm as tightly as I could.
10:20And he was shaking.
10:22I think we were all shaking.
10:25Count two alleges that you committed the felony offense
10:28of murder in the first degree.
10:29The maximum penalty for this offense
10:32is death or imprisonment for life.
10:35Do you understand?
10:36Yes.
10:40I thought I would feel like,
10:44you know, yes, we're here.
10:48We're watching you.
10:49Like, how dare you?
10:51And it wasn't that way at all.
10:53He didn't look at us.
10:55But I'm sure he was instructed to do so.
10:58And I thought,
11:00if he doesn't feel bad,
11:02why am I wasting so much time
11:04even pretending like he's a human being?
11:09I'm hurting myself.
11:11He's not going to make me a victim.
11:19Sending in a courtroom.
11:20This doesn't feel right.
11:22Why would I go sit in a courtroom
11:24with that person?
11:27Have you attended any of the hearings?
11:28None.
11:28No, I will not.
11:29We won't.
11:30We won't attend any of the hearings.
11:33What's the purpose?
11:34Definitely not the trial.
11:35No.
11:36Nope.
11:36I don't have a need to go
11:38look him in the eyes or...
11:41I don't.
11:43It is what it is.
11:44We cannot change the outcome on this thing.
11:47We cannot bring anything back.
11:53I watch a lot of crime shows.
11:56So I knew there was a process.
11:59And I could explain to Karen,
12:01this is each step.
12:02This is what's going to happen.
12:04So I had to be patient for the most part
12:07and say, okay, this is going to take time.
12:14We got a press release on the Moscow Police Department
12:17saying they're not going to talk to us anymore.
12:18And they're not the only ones.
12:19There's a gag order in this case.
12:21That gag order is going to be in effect,
12:23the judge said,
12:24until a verdict is reached in this case.
12:28With a gag order,
12:30certain people close to this case
12:32aren't allowed to speak to the press anymore.
12:34Like, the investigators and the cops,
12:37they're trying to really contain this case.
12:40They don't want any evidence leaking out
12:42that could compromise the trial.
12:46And so, because of this,
12:48the focus completely shifted to Brian Koberger.
12:51So far, police have not said
12:53what led them to this arrest.
12:55We don't know much about him.
12:56How did they track him down?
12:57How did they zero in on him?
12:59His connection to the victims?
13:00Did he know the victims?
13:02We don't have any of those answers.
13:03Everyone just became obsessed
13:05with figuring out everything about this guy.
13:07Who is Brian Koberger?
13:09What brought him to that house?
13:11Did he just spontaneously combust
13:13into a killer overnight?
13:18The face pops up on the TV
13:20and I'm sitting with my family
13:21and I just felt my heartbeat go crazy fast.
13:25I recognize this face.
13:28And my fiance is like,
13:30what's wrong with you?
13:30What's wrong with you?
13:31And I'm like, I know that guy.
13:33I'm like, I went to DeSales with this guy.
13:39Brian Koberger and I met
13:41in the biology room.
13:43We were all being paired up
13:44for this long project
13:45that we were about to do.
13:46We're like picking partners
13:48and I see this guy standing alone
13:49with his leather jacket on
13:51and he's like, just kind of being quiet.
13:53I'm the type of guy that says,
13:54hey buddy, do you want to be my partner?
13:57This guy is incredibly smart,
13:59incredibly detail-oriented
14:01and he is honestly a pleasure to work with.
14:05Do you need help with A?
14:06Do you need help with B?
14:07Bouncing ideas off each other,
14:09fact-checking each other.
14:10I took a few classes with Brian Koberger.
14:14He was also a forensic psychology major.
14:18We saw him maybe as the smarter student.
14:22I remember there was a class
14:24where I actually tried to cheat off his test.
14:26I don't tell a lot of people that,
14:27but I tried to cheat off his test
14:29because I knew he always did amazing
14:32in our psychology classes.
14:35He seemed to be a lonely guy.
14:38I definitely invited him to a party one time
14:41and he said, no, I can remember that.
14:45He commuted to DeSales.
14:47So it was kind of hard to learn who Brian was.
14:52He's an oddball.
14:54He is smart, but he's like a robot.
14:58Purely based off the fact
15:00of his social inability
15:03to perform in a normal human manner.
15:07I can absolutely see someone like him
15:09being involved in something like this.
15:14A serial killer that I talked to.
15:16I sought out the criminal justice program
15:18at DeSales because of its reputation.
15:21We had all these high-profile professors.
15:25Dr. Catherine Ramsland is a very accredited woman
15:29in the forensic psychology world.
15:31She has been on multiple TV shows.
15:33She's published multiple books.
15:35I spent five years talking with Dennis Rader,
15:39the BTK serial killer,
15:41because he defies many of the formulas.
15:44Brian Koberger studied forensic psychology
15:46under Dr. Ramsland.
15:48In that class, you learned about serial killers,
15:52murderers, and their motives.
15:56Right behind our campus is a group of houses
15:59where normal people live.
16:01But one house DeSales bought
16:04and they used it as a crime scene house.
16:07Dr. Ramsland would leave evidence and clues
16:10of a real murder that happened in history.
16:13We would try to figure out
16:15exactly how this crime took place,
16:18just thinking about how and why
16:21a person would do something like that.
16:23I did one assignment with Brian
16:26in the crime scene house.
16:36Brian's analysis usually helped us get to the end goal
16:40of what Dr. Ramsland wanted us to get to.
16:43All of these are part of him,
16:45but when he's focused on one side,
16:49like serial killer,
16:50the rest recede.
16:52He's not aware of them.
16:53If you imagine a box,
16:55there's different sides to it.
16:57You act as one person at work.
16:59You act as one person at home.
17:03You act as one person at church.
17:06People with dangerous tendencies,
17:08they have one that they hide completely to themselves,
17:11which allows them to commit these crimes,
17:15and then they can automatically switch
17:17when they go back home
17:18to the other side of the box.
17:20I talked to a criminologist who said,
17:23it's easy for people who want to commit crimes
17:27to mask when studying criminology, right?
17:30You can ask all kinds of debaucherous questions
17:33about murder, about cutting people open,
17:35about what motivates criminals to kill people.
17:39For grad school,
17:41Koberger posted a Reddit survey
17:43where he was interested in figuring out
17:45what motivates people
17:47to commit certain types of crimes.
17:49You don't look like a psychopath.
17:52You look like you're doing your homework.
17:54Ryan was asking questions
17:56about how certain inmates felt
17:58about the crime that they did,
18:00which to me was very bizarre to ask.
18:04It was definitely out of the realm
18:07of the type of questions that we would ask.
18:10The Master of Arts in Criminal Justice
18:13is awarded to Ryan Koberger.
18:18You could be a teacher
18:20who is supposed to be the protector of children
18:23doing nefarious things with a student.
18:26How oftentimes do we see that?
18:28They coached the football team,
18:29and they're involved in Little League,
18:31and they're part of the community,
18:34all the while being that chameleon
18:36who's blending in with society.
18:43What we know about Brian Koberger
18:45is that he was raised in the rural mountains
18:47of the Poconos in Pennsylvania.
18:51He seems to have been picked on
18:53or bullied as a kid a lot.
18:56When he got older,
18:58he was kind of a loner kid.
19:03While Koberger was at Washington State University,
19:07he was a teacher's assistant.
19:09And from what we've heard
19:10from students who were in classes with Koberger,
19:14he had somewhat of an off-putting personality.
19:18But it's not like this guy had a rap.
19:21It'd be different if, like, in his past,
19:23he had some other, like, violent assault
19:26or something on his record.
19:27What makes this so striking
19:29is this wasn't some career criminal.
19:31This might have been someone's first act.
19:37It wasn't clear how police identified
19:41Brian Koberger as the suspect
19:43until the probable cause affidavit was released.
19:46We have breaking news for you,
19:48and that is that the probable cause affidavit
19:51in the Idaho 4 murder case
19:52has officially been released.
19:54As you can see, I'm casually dressed.
19:56We had to jump on the air immediately
19:58to get this to you.
19:59There's a lot of information
20:00as to what led to Brian Koberger's arrest.
20:03These details are so heartbreaking.
20:05Let's talk about the key takeaways,
20:07because OMG.
20:09Probable cause affidavit
20:11is supposed to provide a judge
20:12with just enough evidence
20:14for the suspect to be held on the crime.
20:18DNA, phone records,
20:20and that white Hyundai Elantra,
20:21those are the pieces of evidence
20:23police believe connect Brian Koberger
20:25to the Idaho murders.
20:27We get to see the homework
20:29that all the investigators put together
20:31to say Brian Koberger is our guy.
20:36The night the killings took place,
20:38Koberger's cell phone data reveals
20:41he leaves his apartment in Pullman,
20:43heading toward Moscow.
20:46His cell phone stops reporting
20:48to the network at 2.47 a.m.
20:52Investigators say that's consistent
20:54with someone, like,
20:55putting their phone in airplane mode
20:56or turning it off.
20:58Just before 3.30 a.m.,
21:00a white Elantra is seen
21:02on surveillance footage
21:03making passes at the King Road house.
21:12Investigators believe the homicides
21:14occurred between 4 and 4.25 a.m.
21:18And then sometime after 4.20 a.m.
21:21A white Hyundai Elantra
21:23is seen leaving the King Road residence
21:26at high speed on security footage.
21:29When Koberger's phone
21:31starts reporting to the network again,
21:33it happens at 4.48 a.m.
21:35as he's headed south from Moscow
21:38towards Genesee.
21:40According to cell phone data,
21:42Koberger drove back to Pullman
21:44in an odd way.
21:46Typically, people will drive
21:47down the main highway
21:48that connects the two towns
21:50or they'll drive on the airport road.
21:53But he drove through
21:54a residential subdivision out of the way.
21:58He winds his way back to Pullman
22:01through some of the smaller farm towns.
22:06Koberger returns to his residence
22:08on the Pullman campus
22:09in the early morning hours.
22:13One of the most shocking parts
22:15of the affidavit was that
22:17investigators found a sheath
22:20for a knife
22:21next to Maddie on the bed.
22:26The cell phone records
22:27show Koberger likely returned
22:30to the area of 1122 King Road
22:33that morning.
22:34He seems to circle back
22:36to the crime scene
22:37sometime around 9 a.m.
22:39It kind of makes my skin crawl
22:41knowing that he was on the same street.
22:46He was by my car.
22:47He was by my front door that morning.
22:51When he went back there
22:52in the morning
22:53that was an oh shit moment
22:55I left the sheath
22:57and that has my DNA on it.
22:58That's what I truly believe.
23:00Where is that sheath?
23:01Oh my God, where is it?
23:02Probably freaking out
23:03because he probably wore
23:04booties on his feet.
23:05He probably gloved up.
23:07He probably had long sleeves.
23:08He probably had a hairnet
23:10and a hood up
23:11and knowing what he did know
23:13probably accounted for
23:15every little thing that he could.
23:17You can say you're going to do
23:19this, this, and this
23:20on any given day
23:21but almost 100% of the time
23:24the plan has to deviate
23:25because you can't control the outcome.
23:29Five days after the killings occurred
23:31Ryan Koberger changed his car
23:33registration from Pennsylvania
23:35to Washington.
23:36This is extremely suspicious
23:38because maybe someone is worried
23:40that their car was captured on video
23:42or surveillance of some kind.
23:45And so registering a different state
23:48is a way to change
23:49not only the look of your vehicle
23:50but where it's registered,
23:52the information about it.
23:54Maybe it's a way to cover something up.
24:00On November 28th
24:02I received an email from Moscow PD.
24:05They had a vehicle of interest.
24:08It was a 2011-2013
24:11white Hyundai Elantra.
24:14At the time
24:14I was chief of police
24:15for the Washington State University
24:17Police Department.
24:18They told us
24:19if we found one
24:21just provide the license plate
24:22and where it was
24:24they didn't want us to
24:26contact an occupant
24:27or driver of the vehicle.
24:29It's called law enforcement sensitive
24:30meaning that we should not
24:32distribute it beyond law enforcement.
24:35The next day
24:36one of our officers
24:38was driving around
24:40at one of the
24:41graduate student housing complexes
24:42on campus
24:45and actually found
24:47a white Elantra
24:48with Pennsylvania plates.
24:52They did a search
24:53in our parking enforcement system.
24:56Was a graduate student
24:57at Washington State University
24:58named Brian Korberger
25:00and one of our officers
25:01had stopped him
25:02previously for a traffic violation.
25:05I do apologize
25:06if I was asking you
25:08too many questions
25:09about the law.
25:09I wasn't trying to like...
25:10No, no, no.
25:11Not at all.
25:11Like I understand
25:12you're not from here
25:13so yeah.
25:14Have a good day.
25:15Definitely.
25:15You too.
25:16Thanks.
25:17Moscow PD
25:18wanted us to look for
25:19a white Elantra.
25:20It was between 2011
25:21and 2013.
25:23This car was not
25:24between those years
25:25and so
25:27they didn't submit it
25:28as a lead
25:29to Moscow PD.
25:45Moscow PD
26:07Papa Roger joined
26:09our Facebook group
26:10the University of Idaho
26:11murders case discussion.
26:13A couple of weeks
26:14after we started the page
26:16and he immediately
26:17started to get attention
26:19because of the questions
26:20he was asking
26:22and just how creepy
26:25overall he was.
26:28Alina and I are like
26:29the administrators
26:30of the page
26:30and if something gets posted
26:32that's inappropriate
26:33it like pops up
26:34to our attention.
26:35We get this like
26:36file of people
26:37that report comments
26:38and his were in there
26:40all the time
26:40which is how he became
26:41like even more prominent
26:43in my head.
26:43I mean he just asked
26:44really weird questions
26:45like how did the killer
26:47hold the knife
26:48prior to entering
26:49the scene
26:49in your opinion?
26:51He said which hand
26:52do you think
26:53they used to kill with?
26:54And I was just like
26:55ooh who is he?
26:56Like something's not right
26:58something's off
26:58with this guy.
27:00Alina and I
27:01have a passion
27:02for true crime.
27:03We have multiple pages
27:04that focus on crimes
27:06that people are
27:07looking to solve
27:08but the biggest
27:10and most well known
27:12is the University
27:13of Idaho murders.
27:14There was talk back then
27:16like oh I bet
27:17the killer is on this page
27:18there's 220,000 of us.
27:21We have almost
27:23a quarter million members.
27:25Somebody's gonna say
27:25something that's gonna
27:26be significant.
27:27People ask questions
27:29on this page
27:29and they like
27:30oh I think
27:30so and so did it
27:31but he was so into
27:33like the crime scene
27:34and like the killer
27:35and why he did things.
27:37In hindsight
27:39I see
27:39something very much
27:41along the same lines
27:43as the questionnaire
27:44that Brian Koberger
27:46created
27:47for a school project.
27:49He wanted like
27:50the thoughts
27:50and feelings
27:51into why somebody
27:52committed crime.
27:54Papa Roger asked
27:56on our page
27:57how did the killer
27:59leave the scene?
28:02Koberger asked
28:03how did you leave
28:04the scene
28:04in his questionnaire?
28:06Papa Roger said
28:07did you clean up at all?
28:09Brian Kober asked
28:11before leaving
28:12is there anything else
28:13you did?
28:14The questions
28:15on his questionnaire
28:16are very similar
28:18to the questions
28:19that Papa Roger asked
28:20on our page.
28:22One post in particular
28:24that really catches
28:25my attention
28:26is his very first post
28:28on November 30th
28:30of the evidence
28:31released
28:31the murder weapon
28:32has been consistent
28:33as a large
28:34fixed blade knife.
28:35This leads me
28:36to believe
28:36they found the sheath.
28:40That is so odd
28:42because we didn't hear
28:44anything about the sheath.
28:47This has never been
28:48discussed publicly.
28:49This is November 30th.
28:51This is a full month
28:53before they even
28:54arrest him.
28:59This morning,
29:00a new clue
29:01in the search
29:01for the killer
29:02of four University
29:03of Idaho students.
29:04Detectives now asking
29:05the public for help
29:06locating a white
29:072011 to 2013
29:09Hyundai Elantra.
29:12During the case
29:12like this one,
29:14you're withholding
29:14information because
29:15you don't want to
29:16compromise the investigation.
29:18But then if you get
29:19to a point where
29:19your investigation
29:20isn't getting anywhere,
29:21then you have to
29:22kind of give that up
29:23in the interest
29:24of trying to develop leads.
29:27As far as this investigation
29:28and this story goes,
29:30this is as big
29:30of a development
29:31as we have got.
29:32Once this tip goes out
29:34that the police
29:35are looking for
29:35a white Hyundai Elantra,
29:36people are going nuts
29:37looking for this car.
29:39People are going crazy
29:40online, submitting photos.
29:43When they were
29:43looking for the car,
29:45my friends had
29:46to screenshot it
29:47and was like,
29:47do you know about this?
29:48I had a friend text me
29:49that was like,
29:50I know a girl
29:51who has that car.
29:52Should I call it in?
29:53People were losing
29:55it about this.
29:58A night manager
29:59at this gas station
30:00in Moscow, Idaho
30:01discovered surveillance video
30:03that showed a white sedan
30:04driving by on the night
30:06the four University
30:07of Idaho students
30:08were murdered.
30:12During that time,
30:14Papa Roger kept saying
30:16over and over and over again
30:17that that white Elantra
30:19is a red herring.
30:21It's like somebody
30:23trying to get people
30:24off that trail.
30:27Something you learn
30:28in criminal justice
30:28is when people do commit
30:30acts of atrocity
30:32and they get away with it
30:34for a time,
30:34they involve themselves
30:36in any which way
30:38that they can.
30:40This person potentially
30:42joined the search
30:42on social media
30:43to perhaps play a game,
30:46have fun,
30:48show their intellect,
30:49whatever the case may be.
30:52In December,
30:53Koberger's dad flew in
30:54from Pennsylvania
30:55into Washington
30:56to drive him home
30:58for winter break.
31:05And he's pulled over
31:06for tailgating.
31:08So he's right up
31:09on that van, man.
31:11He's right up
31:12on the back end
31:13of that van.
31:14So you're coming
31:15from Washington State University?
31:17Yeah.
31:18And you're going where?
31:20I'm going to be going
31:21to Pennsylvania.
31:21Oh, okay.
31:22So y'all work
31:23at the university?
31:24I actually do work there.
31:26So do me a favor
31:26and don't follow
31:27too close, okay?
31:28Oh, sorry.
31:29All right.
31:30Appreciate you.
31:33And then he gets
31:34pulled over a second time.
32:01They continue to drive
32:03to Pennsylvania.
32:06Papa Roger.
32:08I mean, he keeps posting.
32:09And when I read
32:11those messages,
32:12I see an escalation.
32:18At the end of December,
32:20I received a text
32:21from the chief
32:22of the Moscow Police Department
32:23asking me if I could meet
32:25with the investigative team.
32:27They walked me upstairs
32:29to a room full of Moscow PD,
32:32Idaho State Patrol,
32:33the FBI.
32:36I figured that there's,
32:38okay, there's,
32:38now they've got
32:39something going on,
32:40there's a lead,
32:41and it has something
32:42to do with WSU.
32:44They had a suspect,
32:47and when they told me
32:48and when they told me
32:48his name,
32:50it sounded familiar to me.
32:52And I said,
32:53you know,
32:55I think I've talked
32:56to Brian Koberger before.
33:00Previous to my employment
33:02at Washington State University,
33:03I was the chief of police
33:04for the city of Pullman.
33:07We had a program
33:08where a WSU criminal justice
33:11Ph.D. student
33:12would do research
33:13and assistance for us.
33:15So I interviewed
33:16Brian Koberger.
33:19I know that he had
33:20an interest in
33:21the mind of a person
33:23who commits crimes,
33:24their motivation,
33:26and how they feel.
33:28It seemed maybe
33:29a little bit awkward
33:31in talking with him.
33:33His communication style
33:35was not like a fluid
33:37conversation necessarily
33:39where he spoke easily.
33:41It was a little bit
33:42more stuttered, I guess.
33:45With a researcher
33:46and a law enforcement agency,
33:48a huge factor
33:49is developing trust,
33:50and that was one area
33:52where I felt
33:53he might fall short.
33:57He did not get the job.
34:01During that briefing,
34:03the investigators
34:04let me know
34:05Brian Koberger
34:06was identified
34:07as a suspect
34:08based on DNA
34:09at the crime scene.
34:12They found
34:13a single source,
34:15meaning it was
34:15only one person's DNA,
34:17on the button
34:18of the sheath.
34:20The suspect
34:21was identified
34:21through genetic genealogy,
34:23a process where DNA
34:25from an investigation
34:26is compared
34:27to a public database.
34:29It sounds like
34:30somebody in his family
34:31did one of those
34:3223 and me things.
34:34Using investigative
34:35genetic genealogy,
34:37investigators can turn
34:38to trying to match
34:39portions of the known
34:41profile from the sheath
34:42to family members
34:44of their suspect.
34:49Back in Pennsylvania,
34:51the FBI began surveilling
34:53the Koberger residence.
34:54They take some
34:56some of the family's garbage
34:58and made a DNA profile
35:00of Brian Koberger's father
35:02and then got at least
35:04a partial match
35:05to the DNA profile
35:07on the knife sheath.
35:09So using all
35:11of this information,
35:12investigators say,
35:13we believe the person
35:14who committed this crime
35:15is Brian Koberger.
35:17We want a warrant
35:18for his arrest.
35:21The investigators
35:22let us know
35:23of their plan
35:24that they were going
35:25to do an arrest
35:27at his family home
35:28in Pennsylvania.
35:29We were going to time
35:30the search warrants
35:31at his office
35:33and his graduate student
35:35housing department
35:36to happen
35:37almost simultaneously.
35:43Police department search warrant,
35:45come to the door.
35:46A break in the case
35:48that has gripped this nation.
35:49Authorities have arrested
35:50a suspect in Pennsylvania.
35:53Koberger reportedly
35:54had a blank stare
35:55as he was arrested
35:56and also asked
35:57if anyone else
35:58had been taken
35:59into custody.
36:00Mr. Koberger
36:01was found
36:02in the kitchen area
36:03wearing latex gloves
36:05and apparently
36:06was taking
36:07his personal trash
36:08and putting it
36:09into separate
36:10Ziploc baggies.
36:11The police took
36:13computers,
36:14they have hard drives,
36:15they took black clothing,
36:16they took gloves,
36:17masks.
36:20There were no clothes
36:21at the apartment.
36:23It just was
36:24almost vacant.
36:26Looked like he
36:27had planned
36:28not to come back.
36:40After Brian Koberger
36:42is arrested,
36:43no one hears
36:44from Papa Roger
36:46ever again.
36:47He was erased
36:48from the internet.
36:49You couldn't find him.
36:50I couldn't pull him up
36:51at all.
36:51Because he was
36:52a member on the page,
36:53I should have been able
36:54to find something.
36:55There was nothing.
37:00The day of Koberger's arrest,
37:03Alina and I
37:04and hundreds of thousands
37:05of other people
37:05are digging into
37:06Brian Koberger.
37:08When you look
37:09at his mugshot
37:10and you look
37:12at the profile picture
37:14of Papa Roger,
37:16it looks like
37:17he made a cartoon
37:18of himself.
37:19When I saw him,
37:21I was like,
37:21that's him.
37:23Christine,
37:23that's him.
37:24That's fucking him.
37:27We started posting
37:28about it on the page
37:29and everyone
37:30kind of like
37:31jumped on that,
37:32like, oh my gosh,
37:32he was on the page.
37:34This is the connection.
37:41After the arrest
37:42was made,
37:42I thought our lives
37:44could begin
37:45to get more normal.
37:48But the vibes
37:50and the energy
37:52around everyone
37:54was just not the same.
37:57We are needing
37:58to move forward
37:58as a community.
38:00but the suspect
38:02is in jail
38:02just down the road
38:03and so
38:04the daily reminder
38:06of what happened
38:06is ever present.
38:12We were somewhere
38:13and the news
38:15was on in the background
38:16and suddenly
38:17it was the story
38:18of the kids.
38:19And just when you think
38:20you're emotionally
38:21okay,
38:23you sit again.
38:26What is going on?
38:27Like,
38:29is this ever
38:32going to be normal again?
38:34Is this ever
38:34going to be the same?
38:36And I think that
38:37surely
38:37I figured out
38:39that it's not.
38:40I don't watch
38:41the news
38:45because you just
38:46never know
38:47when something's
38:48going to be out there.
38:52For the people
38:53close to it,
38:53they're having
38:54to grieve
38:55and try to make
38:56sense of what's
38:57going on
38:58and get closure
38:58for their loved ones
38:59all while being
39:00on a national stage.
39:04I really didn't
39:05understand until
39:06I was part
39:07of this case
39:08the ripple effects
39:09that it can have
39:10for entire communities.
39:15Even as the case
39:16evolved,
39:17that attention
39:18just kept growing.
39:19You just,
39:20you couldn't
39:21escape it.
39:22We have
39:23amateur detectives
39:25pieced together
39:26maps of the house
39:28and the rooms.
39:29You had Maddie
39:30and Kaylee
39:31right above
39:32on the third floor.
39:33We have psychics
39:34on TikTok
39:35claiming to
39:35have spiritual
39:36abilities
39:37to solve crimes.
39:39He may have
39:39acted alone
39:40within the murder house.
39:41I don't know.
39:42I'm going to be
39:43doing a couple
39:43more readings.
39:44There were a lot
39:45of questions
39:45that were answered
39:46by the affidavit
39:48like how police
39:49had tracked down
39:50Brian Koberger
39:52but there were also
39:53a lot of questions
39:54we still don't have
39:55answers to.
39:57What I don't
39:57quite understand
39:58at this time
39:59is the police
40:00were not called
40:01until about
40:02noon the next day.
40:03Why was there
40:04such a delay?
40:05The biggest detail
40:07from the affidavit
40:08was that one
40:08of the surviving
40:09roommates
40:10actually saw
40:11someone in
40:12the house
40:13in the early
40:14morning hours
40:15of November 13.
40:16There was an actual
40:18visual witness.
40:19She came face
40:20to face
40:21with the killer.
40:22Someone in this
40:23house
40:23saw him.
40:24I think she was
40:26confused
40:27and has battled
40:29with what if
40:30I actually knew
40:32what was going
40:32on.
40:37She came face
40:38in the
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