00:00As far as like asshole-ishness goes, probably below Derek and Step Brothers, The Devil and The Good Place, Ted
00:08Hendricks, The Boss and Walter Mitty. God, I have played a bunch of them.
00:12Adam Scott, Damian McCarthy, it is such a pleasure to talk to you about this film. I absolutely loved it.
00:18I have to say before we start, I am dialing in from a hotel in Thailand in the middle of
00:23the night.
00:23So I do feel like this is the perfect setting to talk about this film.
00:26Yeah, scary.
00:28In another way, it's, yeah, it's creepy. It's creeping me out, really.
00:31And I think hotels are genuinely so ripe for horror. And this film is probably the worst thing to happen
00:37to hotels since Norman Bates.
00:40My folks came here for their honeymoon.
00:46Always wanted to come back.
00:49I would love to know what is the creepiest hotel experience you've ever had?
00:54And did any of that maybe find its way into this film?
00:57I stayed in a, when I was making my last film, Oddity, I was in a hotel for a good
01:04couple of months.
01:05And suddenly it was like, well, it looks identical to every other room, but there was just a feeling about
01:10it.
01:11I kind of brushed it off, didn't think anything out of it.
01:12And then that night I saw like a cup move across the table, just completely on its own.
01:17It didn't make its way into the movie because a moving cup isn't the most terrifying cinematic experience.
01:24But when it's happening to you in real life, it's like, yeah, that's really strange and freaky.
01:29I stayed in a place once that had a, instead of AC, they had a swamp cooler.
01:34Do you know what that is?
01:35A swamp cooler?
01:37In the kind of attic space is a giant tub of water.
01:41And the idea is the water will create cool air that the fan will then blow and that will cool
01:49the room.
01:50It does not cool the room because it was so, it was this place that was so hot that the
01:57water was warm because it was warm and it was just a continual like breeze of hot, stinky air in
02:08the room.
02:10Swamp cooler, stay away from it.
02:13Anything with swamp in the name isn't really selling it.
02:15He's not a marketing genius coming up with the swamp cooler.
02:19Adam, more on your character in this because you have this incredible ability to play the most likable, sympathetic characters,
02:28but also the most perfect s**holes as well.
02:33Where does your character, Ohm, sit on that scale for you in this?
02:37It's just been a crack.
02:38Can I get a room as far away from the crack as possible?
02:41As far as like a**hole-ishness goes, probably below Derek and Step Brothers.
02:48Don't be mad at Dale for ruining the story and possibly the evening.
02:52Can probably below the devil in The Good Place.
02:54This is going to make a primo dump later on.
02:57Ted Hendricks, the boss and Walter Mitty.
02:59God, I have played a bunch of them.
03:01I was thinking of, um, Pat Anderson in Eastbound and Down.
03:06Oh yeah, Pat Anderson.
03:07That is something that me and my friends quote genuinely on a weekly basis.
03:12Hey, I'm your dad.
03:13Just kidding, your dad's dead.
03:14Yeah, that's bad.
03:16What are the, uh, Jonas Brothers?
03:18Where the gold card gets tickets to the Jonas Brothers.
03:22The black card.
03:24Of all three of them sucking your d**k.
03:25But there is something really interesting about Ohm's journey in this.
03:29And his character is going back to his roots.
03:33But as an audience, our emotional investment in him is also going in reverse.
03:37Because we dislike him immediately.
03:40And then he kind of has to win the audience back.
03:43Yeah.
03:44Is this something about going backwards with a character?
03:47Um, playing it and writing it.
03:49Is this something about going backwards and emotionally retracing their steps that makes you better understand where they're going?
03:55I mean, for me, it was, it was part of what attracted me to it.
03:59I, I, I loved that, that sort of reverse arc.
04:04Uh, Damien has said that it's, you know, in horror movies, usually it's, it, it is a reverse.
04:09You're usually start soft and gain sort of, uh, strength and hardness as the, as the story goes on.
04:16And this was the opposite.
04:18And so I, I just thought it was an interesting way for the character to start to hopefully find the
04:25room to forgive those in his past, those people in his past and himself and let himself off the hook
04:31a little bit.
04:32I wanted to tell you how much your books have meant to me.
04:34Well, that's troubling.
04:35Those pages are populated by deeply disturbed people.
04:39Ohm really loves a bleak ending in this.
04:42And I would love to know, is there a film ending that you would love to change, either of you?
04:48And what is that?
04:48Oh, that, I'll, I'll think of an amazing answer for that at midnight tonight.
04:53Um, it's usually kind of the opposite.
04:55Usually like that, that's, you know, that the film, maybe you're not really on board with, but then you see
05:00that third act or the ending and that kind of redeems the whole thing.
05:03And you want to go back and, uh, and watch it again.
05:05I could think of a few movies like that, but, um, but where I would change an ending.
05:09No, I can't, can't think now.
05:11Yeah.
05:11Me neither.
05:11I think a movie with a perfect ending is the empire strikes back.
05:16I love it's bleak.
05:19Like, everybody is screwed.
05:23Like, everyone's separated.
05:26They don't know.
05:28They're in an impossible situation.
05:30It's great.
05:31I'm going to say something heinous.
05:33I've, I've never seen Star Wars.
05:35It's my biggest blind spot.
05:36Any of the Star Wars.
05:38No, I, never.
05:39Yeah.
05:39I'm now at a point in my life where I can't watch it because it's, I think it gives me
05:43some edge that I've never seen.
05:45It does.
05:46It makes you so edgy.
05:47I know I'm missing out.
05:49I know I'm missing out, but it's just, it's too late now.
05:51Well, now there's so much, you don't even know, like, where to start.
05:54I don't have time for the homework.
05:55Do you, have you had that experience where you tell people that information?
05:59Dudes are like, what?
06:02Guys with beards and, like, goatees are like.
06:06Go to rage bait on dating apps.
06:08I'm sure.
06:09That's impossible.
06:10Adam, I have to ask, by the way, because you've gone viral for saying that you had a terrible time
06:14at Coachella.
06:15And I would love to ask, is there any way that we can make it up to at Glastonbury next
06:19year?
06:20Oh, God.
06:21That's essentially this.
06:23Glastonbury's been around for a lot longer than Coachella.
06:26Am I right?
06:27I mean, Glastonbury's been going since the 60s.
06:29Yeah, that's, that's longer than Coachella.
06:31The bit that you enjoyed was the strokes.
06:33And that just, that feels a little bit more Glastonbury's vibe.
06:37Yes.
06:37Well, I, I enjoyed the Bieber performance too.
06:40I was, I, I was impressed.
06:42I thought it was, it was an incredible set that they designed.
06:47And, and he was so charismatic and, and fun.
06:49And yeah, it was more just like the, there are people everywhere.
06:56And I know that's, of course, it's a music festival, but it's just like,
06:59Jesus Christ, you know, like, is there anywhere where there's not like a thousand people?
07:05Like it's impossible.
07:07And David Byrne, we went and saw David Byrne and, and we were like, ah, this is great.
07:12David Byrne, we're standing outside.
07:13And then we kind of looked around and everyone around us was like, had like gray hair and
07:18like long gray beards and stuff.
07:19And we're like, oh, okay.
07:22The strokes were incredible, but you know, also halfway through, I started looking around
07:26and we're just thousands deep on all sides.
07:30It's just so many people.
07:31Can I say that's a very Ben Wyatt thing to say?
07:34Sure.
07:34It's so utterly relatable and the world is on your side.
07:38Oh, good.
07:39Good, good, good, good, good.
07:39Good, good.
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