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The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives - Season 4 - Episode 09: The Book of Coveting
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00:11so i called you guys here because i feel like we all found out about this jenna stuff at
00:14separate times if she finds out the other thing she genuinely won't what is it he hooked up with
00:21jenna and like basically almost had sex with her like a couple weeks ago shut the hell up
00:26jenna is the girl that dakota lied about early on in their relationship he was like texting me all
00:30day this day he came over to your house and he's saying thank you for letting me crash at your
00:34house and he came over that night to my house and spent the night and fucked me so yeah and
00:37on top
00:38of that i have a pickleball tournament shania was like pouring her heart out to taylor and then that
00:42same night shania goes and sleeps with taylor's baby daddy update me he got back with his life
00:47this is why i can't trust people anybody oh gosh this is so bad if this comes out it's all
00:54good
00:54like i just feel like it's gonna spiral and i also think jacoda wants everything to come out he does
00:58once again i'm caught in the middle between two friends and betrayal going on there i have known
01:04shania for nearly a decade truly like a ride or die type of friendship was this a massive lapse in
01:13judgment for her absolutely but at the end of the day even though i don't agree with her i obviously
01:18love
01:19and care for her she's gonna find out there's no way she's not either he's gonna tell her we are
01:23you guys we have your party tomorrow and we're with her how is it not coming out like i think
01:27the truth will always come out and i just feel like if we can possibly cushion her finding out
01:31i think it possibly could be better i think the best person coming from is shania for sure i'm
01:36actually scared for sure i am too i'm scared for her she's gonna get eaten up is shania going to
01:41center sunday i mean i don't know i didn't invite her because i'm not like she would that be the
01:46time
01:46to tell taylor it might be the time i think it's a pro to do it while people are around
01:51because then
01:52she won't overreact oh yeah that actually might be a good idea then we can also explain why we
01:57didn't tell her taylor's still in colorado but she's coming home soon so with the bachelorette
02:02coming up macy's center sunday event and the main title shoot to be honest this news could really
02:07shake her up and we have to handle it the right way miranda you need to ask her she'll come
02:11and
02:11tell her tomorrow well since when she called me this morning she's like i want to tell taylor i feel
02:14like she should know i was like i gotta get going because i need to stop by home depot and
02:18get a bigger
02:18shovel so i can get a head start on both of your fucking graves you're a dead man both of
02:22you
02:22you're dead and there's nothing i can do to save you
02:37i'm the one you've been dreaming of i've got everything you could ever want
02:45try me out bring me to your knees baby you're gonna believe
02:51we'll see you next to you
03:00by the way
03:03any
03:27I feel like the scooter is more work than a bike.
03:32Well, it's easier to carry home, too, when he's tired.
03:34You're going to carry it home.
03:35You say you brought it, you're going to carry it home.
03:37You don't listen to me.
03:39I just took this trip to Colorado.
03:41It was healing, overall helped my mother and I in our relationship.
03:44I think we came back to family and love, and it's just really giving each other that grace
03:49before the bachelorette so I can actually go out there and not choose someone that's
03:52not for me, sabotage it, you know.
03:54I really think it will be good for me.
03:56Obviously, I got married, jumped into the first guy I went out with.
04:00I ended up being in a relationship with, had a baby with.
04:01It's like, I think it's going to be such a cool experience, regardless of the outcome.
04:04Yeah.
04:05Obviously, fingers crossed, it's always good and you meet your person, but if not, it
04:09can teach you a lot of learning lessons, too.
04:11I think it's going to be something that is going to change your life.
04:15After all, everything that you've been through and all the pain and suffering that you've
04:20been through, I think that's something that you deserve.
04:22I don't know.
04:24I'm like, why do I get this opportunity out of, like, any, like, all the girls that
04:28want this?
04:29Like, I come with so much baggage, like, who's going to want me?
04:32I do feel like a lot of guilt all the time for that.
04:35Just because you come with some baggage...
04:37Some?
04:39You do have, like, a lot of amazing qualities and someone's going to see that and they're
04:43going to want that.
04:44Well, look at all the people that follow her.
04:47Like, millions of followers don't follow you because you're this horrible person.
04:51Like, you need to give yourself credit.
04:54When somebody is looking for love and they're looking for that wife, to me, I would think
05:00that that's what they're looking for, that quality of a mother.
05:02Yeah.
05:03And to me, you're the best mom.
05:04There are good guys out there.
05:06Yeah.
05:06And they're not all like Mr. D-bag.
05:08They're not all horrible.
05:09I know.
05:10Sometimes you have to go through things and things happen for a reason for you to end
05:15up somewhere much higher.
05:16Mm-hmm.
05:17Yeah.
05:19I think it's time for you to choose Taylor.
05:23Yeah.
05:36Do I look exhausted to you?
05:38Yes, you look very exhausted.
05:40I've been rehearsing nonstop with Dancing with the Stars and working my ass off.
05:46And I also have to fly this week to Utah for our main title shoot.
05:49So it's nice that Zach and I get to decompress, catch up, and spend time together.
05:55That's feeling really good.
05:58How are you feeling about the contestants and the whole everyone?
06:01Oh, I love the cast.
06:03The cast is awesome.
06:04I feel like I've equally gotten close to everyone.
06:07The pros have been so helpful.
06:09Yeah, it's been awesome.
06:10How do you feel like your relationship with Whitney's improved?
06:13Or where do you feel like that's at?
06:16No, if anything, I feel like we've become more distant.
06:27I have, like, 30 minutes.
06:28Okay.
06:29And then I have to leave again.
06:30Alrighty, no problem.
06:32Well, how was your day?
06:34I just had a really bad camera block day.
06:36Like, it was a horrible day.
06:37And Mark and I were talking in the hallway.
06:39I was just, like, letting out all my emotions.
06:41And Jen walked out and was like, hey, are people talking shit about you on social media?
06:46I'm like, that's not why I'm crying.
06:47But thanks.
06:49Oh, man.
06:51I did not think I was even going to be making it this far through the competition, which
06:55is crazy, but can be very hard because you're seeing the comments and stuff online.
07:01For me, it can be very emotionally taxing.
07:05I just want you to say, hey, like, I'm here for you.
07:09What do you mean?
07:09What can I do?
07:10Yeah.
07:11Her hyping me up in the background saying, vote for Jen.
07:14When she, like, never reaches out.
07:16Well, it's weird that she doesn't call you or text you all week.
07:19Yes.
07:19And then when the cameras are on and millions of people are watching, suddenly she's your
07:24biggest fan.
07:25That bothers me.
07:26I was expecting that our friendship was going to grow through this process.
07:30But we haven't talked to each other throughout Dancing with the Stars.
07:33Like there hasn't really been any relationship.
07:36I mean, we barely talk.
07:38I don't know if I told you this, but when I went out and took the kids out with Connor,
07:41I don't know if you've heard, but Whitney got offered a spot on Broadway.
07:47Yeah, on Chicago, I think to be the main character, like the leading role.
07:52So I think she's planning on moving out there come January.
07:55Dang.
07:56She can't be the main character of Mom Talk.
07:59She'll be the main character for Broadway.
08:01It's perfect.
08:25Hey.
08:26Hi.
08:26What's up?
08:28Just got done working out.
08:29Nice.
08:30You want to help me?
08:31Yes.
08:32I don't realize until I see you next to the bedding that this is really pink.
08:37Yeah, it's pretty pink.
08:38And I feel like the LDS upbringing I had does make it a lot easier to sweep things under
08:43the rug and just pretend that things are good when they're not.
08:46Jordan and I are still struggling a bit, but I don't think I'm ready to take the next
08:51step of filing for divorce at this point.
08:53But I definitely wonder, okay, what are the repercussions?
08:56I have to be smart about this for my kids and my future and my business.
08:59Well, Lady World was fun.
09:00I'm sad you weren't there.
09:02Oh, but I didn't tell you what they announced being us.
09:05When they announced me and I came out, she said, Jessie Nasty Cara.
09:11That's hilarious.
09:13It's funny, but it's also, like, hard for me because I feel like in this industry,
09:18having a name that's easy, like, makes sense.
09:20Like, Taylor Paul, that rolls off your tongue.
09:21You remember it.
09:22Yeah, and when Taylor gets married, she'll change her name.
09:24No, that's her ex-husband's last name.
09:26She's keeping it because she has been Taylor Paul since she had a following.
09:32The reason I wanted to talk about that is because I told you this before
09:36that I do feel like going by Draper would be better.
09:39I'm not trying to do it to hurt you.
09:41It's not a dig at you.
09:42It's really just about the name.
09:43You're not vindictive, but I do think you're selfish.
09:46That's great.
09:48It's just the way I feel.
09:49You're, like, being condescending.
09:49It's not being condescending.
09:50It's not condescending.
09:52It's just genuinely the way that I feel.
09:53If I was condescending, I would say other things.
09:56That's what scares me is I feel like it's always under the surface,
09:59like, the stuff you want to say and you're just not because you know you can't.
10:01No, because that's not who I am anymore, and I've proven that.
10:03A lot of my issues coordinate with you making decisions that are selfish.
10:07You know, deep down, I think we both know that going by my maiden name Draper
10:11gives me freedom again, which I feel like I haven't had in a long time.
10:15If I start going by Draper now, if we did get divorced in the future,
10:19it wouldn't be a huge change for my career.
10:21So I do just kind of feel like it's the safest thing to do right now.
10:25It feels selfish, and that's okay.
10:27You told me it was selfish yourself.
10:47You ready to hit some balls?
10:49Sure am.
10:50Ready to whoop your ass?
10:51Oh, did I hit the curve?
10:52I thought you did hit the curve.
10:53Oh, well, it's fine.
10:54It's fine.
10:54My Sinner Sunday event is tonight, and honestly, my stress levels are at an all-time high
10:58because I know that Shania is coming, and she's about to confess her wrongdoing with Dakota.
11:03So I definitely need to blow off some steam, so I'm taking a little tennis lesson.
11:07I thought it would be fun for us to just, you know, hit some balls and grunt a little bit.
11:13I'm just kidding.
11:16Oh, hi, Danny.
11:17Let's go, Cougs.
11:18Do you call us Cougs?
11:20Cougars.
11:20Oh, Coug.
11:21All right.
11:23Now that I have been kind of far removed from tennis for the last seven years,
11:26I kind of stopped once my college career ended, and I honestly miss it so much.
11:30My prime is here.
11:31No way.
11:32You don't even know what I got.
11:34This is the start of my new career, right?
11:37You ready for this?
11:39Tell me.
11:39Prepare to be amazed.
11:41All right.
11:41And it came so fast.
11:43Tennis here.
11:44It's time for my tennis career to take off once again.
11:49Are you going to start playing again?
11:50Yeah.
11:51There we go.
11:56Oh, you're there.
11:57Ah!
11:58Give me another.
11:59Yep.
12:00You're doing great.
12:02There we go.
12:03There she is.
12:06How does it feel to be back out here?
12:08It feels good, but I feel like I'm in slow motion.
12:10Did I tell you I'm back to therapy?
12:12You did?
12:13Well, we did, like, a couples therapy thing.
12:15How was that?
12:16I mean, it was fine.
12:17I feel like I just, I feel like I'm at a point where, like, when I get really angry,
12:21I'm like, okay, fine, then go have sex with someone.
12:23Like, leave me alone, almost.
12:25Like, no, like, actually, like, I'm like, I feel like I'm working on so many different things outside of just
12:30sex.
12:30And I know that, obviously, he can't just be like, okay, well, we can just go without that.
12:34We both get to a point where we feel really helpless about it, because he's like, I feel like you
12:37don't have the motivation to do it.
12:38And I'm like, I don't think I have the motivation to do it right now, because I know that it's
12:42really hard to work through.
12:43Jace and I haven't made really any progress as far as our intimacy and our sex life goes.
12:49I'm obviously very attracted to Jace, and I want to be married to him.
12:52It makes me sad that I'm not able to meet his needs, and I know that there's only so long
12:57that he can be patient with me for.
13:04Hey, there he is.
13:06What's up, my guy?
13:08How are you doing?
13:10I'm not bad.
13:11How are you?
13:11So, I just wanted to get your advice.
13:16It's between Michaela and I, we're still kind of dealing with the same struggles that we've been dealing with for
13:21a long time.
13:22The intimacy side of our relationship.
13:24It feels like we both kind of feel like we're stuck.
13:27I mean, yeah, man, that's a scary thing to be in right now.
13:30And I feel for you.
13:32Kissing is harder for me than sex, because I think kissing is more intimate for me, and I obviously have
13:37triggers with kissing.
13:37Sometimes I'll go through the day, and I'm holding down the fort.
13:41Like you, I'm holding down the fort at home, and then also we just had this newborn, and I'm doing
13:46everything I can.
13:47Sometimes when Michaela will come home, and she'll want for me then to start taking care of her, which I
13:53want to do, but I need to take care of my needs also.
13:59But also, it's not fair for me, like, if I'm not feeling like working on it, to, like, keep dragging
14:04it along.
14:04Like, yeah, I'm going to work on it eventually, eventually, eventually.
14:06Well, like, what would you do then? Like, just separate?
14:09I don't know.
14:09What are you wanting? What do you want, man?
14:15What are you wanting? What do you want, man?
14:25I'm sorry.
14:32More than anything, and more than, like, the actual sex, I just want to feel like I can connect with
14:38my wife again.
14:40Yeah.
14:42And I want to feel, um, I want to feel loved by my wife.
14:48That's got to feel incredibly lonely and isolating.
14:52We're stuck in this place that we've been stuck in for, like, four years.
14:55I know.
14:57Should I just go away from the house for a couple weeks and not have the pressures of trying to
15:02fix the intimacy issues right now?
15:03But I have this baby, I want to focus on being the best mom for her and being the best
15:09wife, but I'm also lost because I don't know how to handle it.
15:12And part of me is like, I want to be done, but I also know I don't want to be
15:14done, so I'm like, what do I do? I don't know.
15:37Hello?
15:37Hi.
15:38Hey.
15:38I'm going to ask you one time, how long have you known?
15:41A week.
15:42I took this trip to Colorado.
15:44It was healing.
15:45I was feeling better.
15:46She's such a slut-bag ho to me.
15:48Like, I almost thought it was a joke.
15:49I thought it was a joke, because I'm going to fucking ruin her.
15:52Dakota and I were texting, and I find out that Dakota's sleeping with Shania.
15:55I'm sorry, I don't even care what this does to me.
15:58I act on impulse, unfortunately.
16:00So, I don't give a fuck.
16:01After he told me everything, I was like, it's all on purpose.
16:04It's not like he's trying to go out and move on.
16:05It's who it is to get at me.
16:08And it's disgusting again, and it takes me back again.
16:11It's fucking gross.
16:12You have to admit.
16:13You have to admit.
16:14I haven't...
16:15I couldn't...
16:16I could not agree more with you.
16:18And she knows that, and I've said that to her.
16:19Then why did she do it?
16:20I wish I knew.
16:25And I'm sorry.
16:27For what?
16:29I thought that I didn't say anything sooner, but I also...
16:33Well, so you guys all left to Dakota to tell me.
16:38Right before I leave.
16:39I thought there was maybe loyalty on MomTalk end.
16:42Like, to me, it's the sneakiness of it.
16:44If you know you're sneaking it, that means you know how bad it is.
16:47I cannot believe that MomTalk would protect Shania, a snake, over me.
16:52Is she going tonight?
16:55I don't know.
16:56I guarantee she doesn't show up.
16:58I will fucking call you out, so just let you know.
17:00Kat, yeah.
17:01Be ready for it.
17:02I'm gonna have to have a discussion with all my fucking so-called friends.
17:06Because this is what...
17:07I fucking found out from him.
17:11And all my friends knew.
17:12And I don't want to fucking hear,
17:14Oh, we knew you were going to bed too late.
17:15We don't want to hurt your feelings.
17:16You guys fucking knew I would know.
17:18You knew that...
17:18You guys all knew.
17:19You're not...
17:19You've got to be smarter than that.
17:21I'm sure you guys are.
17:23But...
17:23I also don't...
17:24I don't think...
17:25I knew Dakota the way that you do.
17:26And I genuinely thought that he would...
17:29Would want to keep it under wraps.
17:31And then to know that he didn't and he wanted...
17:33But this is your nasty asshole friend.
17:36Yeah, and I'm not...
17:37I'm also pissed at her.
17:39Taylor and I have both worked really hard to rebuild our friendship.
17:43It would be so beyond disappointing if a man were to be the downfall of us once again.
17:53I hate her.
17:54And so right now I am very busy because I got to edit some videos because I fucking hate her.
18:00We'll get out and say goodbye to her.
18:19Hi.
18:22Are they all lining out there?
18:24They're all ready for you.
18:25oh my goodness lucky me you're all ready to sin center sunday is basically a page where people
18:33can anonymously confess their sins and it gets very juicy and so this event is gonna be really
18:39fun because it's my center community coming out to just have a fun time it is her it has to
18:45be
18:45your hair looks so good did you run it i did what kind of a makeup look are you doing
18:50i like the one
18:51the picture i sent you i'm so excited that's gonna look so good like a little dramatic you know
18:59are you kidding dakota i think told tooler miranda just texted and said just got off the
19:05phone with taylor she hates all of us for not telling her are you serious
19:11that's so unfair when we're all just trying to look out for her not being a
19:14mental patient and not being able to go to the bachelor because of it taylor just called me
19:20okay just call her back because i could see her not on the other side okay
19:26hey how are you uh horrible what's up um so i just want you to know that the rest of
19:32us found out
19:33about this just recently and yeah i know um i just want you to know that we just weren't going
19:39to tell
19:39you quite yet just because we didn't want your mental state to be it's fine my mental state's
19:44now so what does everyone say now hey taylor you need to understand that we've been nothing but good
19:48friends to you and i'm trying to be there for you so will you please not be like that don't
19:51worry
19:52there is something else dakota's done that you need to know about
19:56how do you feel i mean are you coming tonight just can you just say it i'm tired of being
20:00tortured
20:00at this point can you just say it okay he hooked up with janna and like basically almost had sex
20:07with her like a couple weeks ago okay so he's a piece of and i hope you really see that
20:14and i found out about this a day ago and i was after the shine stuff and i was like
20:18yeah i'm not
20:19hiding this from taylor like he's a piece of crap so you deserve to know that's that's what i'm telling
20:23you okay thank you for telling me no it's fine i'm gonna fucking light them all up
20:32and it's coming for jenna too jenna she tried multiple times to get me on her podcast and like
20:38begging me and like trying to help me and then does that behind my back it's disgusting really
20:45the is wrong with people they also look so stupid too your feelings are valid i know i know that
20:50they're
20:51valid and i have every right to call her out taylor dakota's a piece of shit for doing this
20:55and we're not talking about dakota we're talking about this bitch i already posted about shania
20:58i can do a video with her a little fucking little sneak but i don't want you to compromise
21:02i don't know i am gonna call out about dakota i'm calling out the stupid dumb ass bitches about
21:07this is stemming from the pain of dakota you wouldn't care i'm gonna fucking fuck them up yes i am
21:13i come back to this again about who the mother effing girl is and it's disgusting because there's so much
21:20like history emotion it's just like oh here we go again i just yeah i want to let it go
21:26because
21:26like i'm literally just suffering like i'm suffering because i won't like i resist letting it go
21:30obviously it controls like my decisions and my emotions and i'm just like tired i'm like physically
21:34exhausted take a night i get that but like don't let this ruin the bachelorette for you that that'll
21:39be the biggest regret you ever do because you know you're not going to be with me ever again you've
21:43said that we all want this for you taylor like we all want you to move on and be happy
21:48yeah i know i
21:48hear you guys um we're on your side though just know that
21:57but i am sorry and shania sucks and i can't believe she did this in st with jenna
22:03i hope you guys have fun tonight this has been happening for three years dakota definitely
22:07purposely hooks up with friends in taylor's circle to piss her off and like i feel like it's almost an
22:11isolation tactic to like sleep with all her friends so she no longer has those friends and then she'll
22:16come running back to him i think it reeks of desperation if i'm being completely honest
22:20we'll leave you alone but i just i want you to know we love you and we're here for you
22:23and
22:24if you need anything we're here okay thank you all right bye okay bye
22:34i'm sorry
22:37i already did it we need to look at the video she posted
22:41i just found out the snake in the middle is sleeping with my baby daddy meanwhile crying
22:45to me because she just got dumped by a married man this doesn't look good for her to post
22:50that's what i'm saying like what are you doing and taylor gets comments oh keep being petty queen and
22:55people vibe her up for that and that's why she keeps doing and she's known for that but it's getting
22:59to a point where it's not okay oh this is a nightmare
23:15i'm walking into macy's center sunday party with jace and i feel like i'm in a pressure cooker with
23:21this separation issue because i feel like i'm also a little bit lost of what to do right now and
23:26so i
23:27don't fully know what to communicate to the other girls in mom talk so i'm just trying to put on
23:32this we're good we're here to support macy oh spooky oh my god oh this is kind of scary
23:42like should we do a praying one or is that religious oh damn a little satanic more than i expected
24:11i think taylor is valid in her feelings however doesn't feel good as a friend that i continue to
24:16have your back time and time again but the second i do you wrong in your eyes i'm a friend
24:23and you
24:24don't want to be around me and it's just it's really it's really hurtful
24:35hello how is everyone thriving i'm just frustrated i'm over this whole situation
24:41i am too how do you feel about that you feel the hardest okay so what do we do after
24:47i found out
24:47about shania and dakota i did not withhold that information with malicious intent but once taylor
24:54sees red it's hard to reason with her oh you guys i'm bit drained it's so hard to close to
25:02the story
25:02no she didn't anyone praying for my downfall please just say the away from me and anyone associated with
25:08these people moving forward also stay the f away from me want to be friends with desperate snakes
25:13is this about you mine also why is she saying praying for my downfall no one's praying for your
25:18no like no one's like trying to get by your own logic we're all going through shit we've all
25:23fucked up and how many times have we been put in this situation with information that's gonna hurt
25:27taylor we have to tiptoe around her and babysit her emotions it's hard i understand her being upset but
25:33the thing is what are you supposed to do when you're put in a situation like this and shania's been
25:37your
25:37best friend for how many years it's it's wrong it is wrong it is all the guys that shania's walked
25:49in
25:50who shania did oh my god she has a lot of balls she does i'm like scared so she doesn't
25:55know taylor's
25:56not coming i don't think so so what do we do now like let shania sit down yeah we need
26:00to talk to you
26:01oh wait who's calling him oh taylor speak of the devil hello hi hi how are you doing
26:10we're here with lila miranda and jesse
26:22i don't know she and i just walked up here so i'm like i can call you out yeah we'll
26:26call you
26:27and i'll give you an update okay bye
26:33you guys pull up the chair
26:38hi hi mom oh nice mind if i squeeze in here hi i want to understand shania because i really
26:46don't
26:46know what her intentions are but i also don't understand why she's going for dakota like what's
26:51wrong like seriously like sell like isn't that small like can we not find someone else is it not
26:56gross to you that he's like slept with other girls in between all this well he also makes it sound
27:00like
27:00he hasn't that's what i'm saying like he's lying he's like let's have a sex pack but i'm gonna go
27:04the next day like already been seeing each other for what like a week and a half and he's and
27:09he's
27:10literally lied to you at least at least like 10 times in that span no i think that's like ridiculous
27:17i don't know why he's trying to do that i'm like that's extra but this is dakota like we've seen
27:21him judge taylor for years i just want you to know that like yeah you're not an exception i think
27:25he's
27:25gonna do it he did it already do you see a potential future of him
27:31to a point like with him yes with dakota this is the first time i'm hearing this okay him as
27:38a person yes
27:41so i guess my question is if you were gonna talk to taylor tonight but you still plan on seeing
27:45him
27:45like what was that conversation going to go like i never meant it to her taylor like i saw her
27:51with
27:51ben and i saw her and she's going on the bachelor i knew all the things but i'm just like
27:55i don't
27:58i don't know i didn't i didn't think it would be like this
28:07oh okay sorry we'll be right back
28:11taylor's blowing up my phone right now and i can't answer because shania's
28:14right across the table so we have to go outside so that we can see what's going on
28:18hey mom talk
28:22yeah hi okay we're outside i think she thought you were coming because she was going to tell
28:27you about all of this and what world is there to say anything at this point like i guess i
28:32don't
28:32know the agenda there what is she coming by now there's nothing that she could possibly say and i
28:37want to know if around is getting friends with this so because she just posted a video for three
28:40days ago and you're telling me if miranda if you can hear me you've been you've known for a
28:44fucking week clear and you just post what so yeah i can hear you loud and clear okay good bottom
28:48clear so you posted with her oh well just three days ago when you knew this about her and you're
28:53like
28:53saying i'm sorry you got caught in a fucking video it's disgusting by the way i didn't know i didn't
28:57know i found the rest of it out when everyone else did the rest of what i knew about the
29:02first night
29:02they hung out that's all i knew about you knew that they fucked don't lie don't lie that's what i'm
29:07saying i just knew about that night i didn't know that they kept seeing each other i don't care about
29:10how many times and what night you knew taylor i think at the end of the day like it it
29:15doesn't
29:15change it doesn't matter the time frame that everyone knew her intention of not telling you
29:19was not malicious it was to protect you absolutely does as a friend absolutely i'm like oh you chose
29:25shania's little sneaky snake ass over mine do i agree with that no because i think shania's shoe
29:30colors will come out as they always do and let's see this is a hard situation for miranda and she's
29:35trying to navigate it i you have people can make a mistake taylor you've played plenty of mistakes
29:43before in your life you know no matter what taylor this would have hurt you no matter when you found
29:54it's painful it's shitty it's sucks it's it's disgusting truly call you after so you feel like
30:00you feel like you have to like choose now yeah well and it's triggering i'm sure it's triggering for
30:04you in that friendship yeah yeah i guess she's heated but also like well you've been a better
30:10friend to me than taylor ever has yeah and that's what is hard taylor giving me an ultimatum on choosing
30:15her or shania is frustrating because i'm not your partner and i'm not your child i'm your friend and
30:23i'm pretty sure that taylor is not gonna like my decision from where i'm standing right now maybe just
30:28use this as an opportunity to give her space i think you guys have been through a lot worse
30:32this has come back for me you're a good friend
30:44lock the pack up because macy's gonna be here whoa
30:48hey hi daddy hi sweetie you are so pretty i don't even know what i'll need honestly
30:58so how are you feeling about everything um so jason i stayed up late last night talking out the pros
31:05and the cons of separating between all of the mom talk drama and the pressure that i feel to get
31:11my
31:11marriage in a good place i'm definitely reaching a breaking point i'm feeling very maxed out today
31:19just because my freaking nerves are hurting so bad we both agreed to do a separation
31:29what are you looking to get out of this
31:34i think just working on my stuff separately at home you feel like you can't focus on your
31:43on your skin and your health because i'm also here well i think it's hard with the
31:49like anytime you bring up the stuff with like the sex and intimacy i feel like it's hard
31:54on me because i feel like again my nervous system's already in fight or flight and i'm already maxed out
31:58like my bucket is full i know but for me it seems like the solution to that would be to
32:04commit to
32:06trauma therapy until you're at the point where it doesn't make your nervous system freak out too
32:10i know i feel like i've done a lot of therapy work already and my stuff is still bad
32:16and again i don't think it's like with the intention of being separated
32:20forever and i think we're obviously still going to see each other like every single day i'm not
32:24trying to go even a day away from the kids anyways should we get her a bottle
32:31move those fingers for something like this to feel effective for me maybe we don't get back
32:38together until you feel like you can commit to our relationship
32:46i don't know just the pressure of like when it's going to be fixed
32:53i think that's what's hard i think it's definitely hard to put a timeline on the situation because it
32:58could take weeks it could take months to be healed there's part of me that is definitely scared to
33:05lose him because i feel like our marriage is so good outside of the sexual intimacy part of it which
33:11it's ironic because that's his number one need and that's my number one wind i think it would be better
33:17you know for our kids though for us to work it out i definitely want my kids to see
33:25their parents with having a good intimate connection yeah emotional connection yeah both yeah
33:58and i'm going to try my best to be there for her in any capacity that she needs me
34:06i'll give you a moment i'll give you a moment love you love you i'm talking to you okay
34:15your beard's all pokey on my neck sorry i'm shaky
34:20i'll take good care of her don't worry if you want to talk to i'm i'm all ears too and
34:25jacob is as well
34:33okay i think as sad as it is i do take comfort in knowing that i do have such a
34:38great support system
34:39and mom talk i don't want to have to tear our family apart but i also know that i have
34:44to be
34:44selfish for a period of time so that i can heal
34:59today is the main title shoot and this is the first time mom talk is back together again since
35:03the situation with taylor and since whitney and jenny didn't show up to my book event things do feel a
35:08little bit awkward and contentious in the room so we'll see how this goes hello good morning
35:15morning how are we thriving thriving you know i'm definitely allergic to horses why are we doing
35:22on a horse farm how are you oh do you guys are here what it's more bad no extension i
35:28gotta no but
35:29the color is more red i got it done i got it done yesterday yeah good thank you i don't
35:34think it's
35:35fully hitting me the gravity of the situation of being separated but i don't like to sit in the
35:39sadness and just feel it so it's nice to have a distraction to go do the main title shoot where's
35:44jessi she's doing her individual shot in the cocoon in the cocoon yeah we're like butterflies you have to
35:51get out i heard it's actually us coming out of the womb shut the up i don't love you
35:57did taylor talk to you at all after the event or did you reach out i texted her and i
36:01basically was
36:02just like saying like i understand that like your feelings are like heightened and like you're the
36:06way that your feelings valid but go easy on miranda this is like a really hard place for her to
36:11be in
36:11right now like you are two of her good friends and she's having to like basically like pick between
36:15you guys which is hard that's what's so crazy is that like i genuinely don't know how i ended up
36:20here
36:20again because i'm like part of the reason the whole situation is triggering for me as a whole is
36:24because i feel like i'm in the exact same position that i was in in 2022 yeah where i'm finding
36:30out
36:30about taylor's affair and now i have to then decide how i'm going to go about handling that
36:38information and it's just like the exact same situation only taylor's on the other end of it
36:42this time during the swinging scandal i was the middleman and felt expected to keep taylor's affair
36:51a secret from the other wife and now i am the middleman between shania and taylor there is a
36:58little bit of a double standard there and all in all it feels like i'm doing a lot of giving
37:03and
37:03not a whole lot of receiving here oh there she is speak of the devil morning hi is that the
37:11devil
37:11holy you're fully ready we have to be here at eight eight wait why because we're not taylor we don't
37:17get
37:17the latest call time on the cast oh damn there's perks to being the favorite you're gonna crash out this
37:22morning i mean i crash outs almost every day but i think i'm just overwhelmed like well yeah i was
37:26just
37:26saying that about you i was like you're just at your tipping point yeah what are you overwhelmed
37:31with just leaving everything yeah everything what was yesterday that i was everything's a blur
37:38uh i feel kind of like like just a little awkward i was in that moment like so angry but
37:48i think my
37:48anger towards dakota and myself definitely gets redirected to other people that is for sure i can admit that
37:55hi hi are we good do we love each other still we do i've never stopped loving you okay i
37:59still
38:00stand by what i said that like i think the name calling can be like hard you know but i
38:04understand
38:05that your emotions were high i don't regret it i would still say it today and then we handle things
38:08very differently i think she's a gross disgusting why because to me it doesn't seem like you were
38:15close so i'm like because if you're trying to be friends with me and get close to me and instead
38:19you go and fuck my baby daddy you don't think there's something wrong with that
38:26that's odd she knows the pain i've gone through because we've confided each other about breakups
38:30okay i think it's snaky okay i'm very confused why taylor is so amped up i'm really trying to
38:37understand why she's reacting this way i've learned filming two reality shows at the same time can be
38:44very overwhelming and it's very important to have that mental clarity so i'm starting to feel a little
38:49bit worried for her because she's literally about to leave to go be the bachelorette
38:54can i get you dressed for yes yes wait last night what dakota was saying he felt bad actually
39:01yeah he's like this was so wrong and to be honest like everything hit me like i lost you i
39:06lost my
39:07child and he's like i'm just like so sad but if you want to be with him then go be
39:12with him but you don't
39:14i think everything dakota does is a complete red flag i feel like he's a walking red flag so it
39:19does not
39:19shock me that he decided to love bomb her right before the bachelorette but i feel like he's definitely hurt
39:24at the concept of her coming back and being in love and engaged and moved on from him so i
39:28feel
39:29like he's doing anything possible to ruin this experience for her and i hope that she can see
39:33through that we just don't want to see you allowing yourself well no he said that he was
39:37like it sucks because he's like i know you love me and like you can't be with me exactly
39:42if you're gonna go do the bachelorette like you have to be in it well i do think that's my
39:47only
39:47way out of this i do agree with that i worry if you don't find someone that you're gonna come
39:52back and be stuck in it again like he just said like a lot like yeah he was just like
39:56i feel like
39:56you just need to marry me that's perfect i mean dakota was definitely apologizing for what he did with
40:03shania and do i believe him no he knew how this would affect me and he was like well maybe
40:08if i make
40:08her like crash out hard enough she won't go to the bachelorette and i think that's deliberately jenna
40:12and shia hmm if it takes everything in me to get up and go i'm going to do that there's
40:18times you
40:19can bleed with your heel yep heel heel like i just i love how it's so you get to glide
40:26glide okay my new
40:28favorite dance yeah i have really exciting news what it's not official yet okay but chicago reached out
40:34home team i didn't hear i did hear from zach the actual mother can i take you girl sorry yes
40:41we're
40:41ready for you okay okay okay oh i don't know ready for your that is incredible yeah why didn't you
40:47tell
40:47me that you knew i feel like there's just so much happening it's hard to keep up i see jen
40:53almost every
40:54single day i text her we talk a lot and she hasn't said anything once everybody's telling me i gotta
41:03act
41:04right flip right talk right to me that's very weird and i find that very off-putting the only thing
41:11that
41:11i can think of is things that i have felt from way long ago is it just makes me feel
41:16like you just don't
41:20care that was brutal thank you macy what is the state of mom talk right now who's in who's out
41:35denise have you officially left mom talk
41:40i feel like everyone's kind of just like doing their own thing like spreading their own wings like
41:45like butterflies what do you mean well besides jesse being in the other room this is the first time
41:50that mom talk has been together for a minute we survived i'm not just saying that i genuinely
41:55have missed being with you guys do you hang out with anyone in california no what about you and whitney
42:02yeah what the fuck we never talk we literally never talk to be honest i have been hesitant to get
42:11close to her because i do think her being nice to me too on dancing with the stars is transactional
42:18i do think at the end of the day whitney only cares about whitney and you can't tell me otherwise
42:26i'm just kind of like at my wit's end yeah i mean that's what i thought but then i
42:30heard that and i was like oh great like jordan's still really upset about the name change even though
42:35i know it's what's right for me so even though i haven't made a decision about jordan and i i
42:40met with my dad to go over this prenup but it's been over five years and i do not remember
42:44what's
42:44in it oh yeah this is really long i i definitely feel like i need to have like a divorce
42:50lawyer look
42:50at it i keep saying like jordan's a hard person to be married to but i think he'd be a
42:54harder person
42:55to divorce yeah after looking at my prenup a bit we discovered that me and jordan did not have
43:00witnesses sign it so that could mean that the prenup is voided yeah yeah sorry yeah it's fine
43:09no i'm okay okay i'll come out okay thank you this information has really rattled me because
43:15i just don't know what that could mean for me my business and the security of my family
43:20before we go i just you know i need to say an announcement i wanted to apologize for being mean
43:27to everybody i just feel bad and i think i'm also about to start my parents i'm a little wack
43:33i hope
43:33you are but i'm sorry for being mean to all of you i've been snappy i know yeah you have
43:39i agree
43:40but you know that we're all coming from a place of love i don't want you to ever feel attacked
43:44like
43:44yes we judge a lot of the things you do but it's from a place of love so we hate
43:47to see you hurting
43:48and it's been like this for a long time i think too just being like if you don't want to
43:52hear it
43:52that's fine that's fair just being like look i hear you like i like i don't want to be receptive
43:58right now yeah i mean i i just have no nothing else to say anymore yeah you know and i
44:03think neither
44:03do we like about it because you know where we all stand great i do feel like taylor's apology is
44:12genuine but i think at this point i'm feeling a little bit weary and we'll be proceeding with caution
44:18moving forward jesse are you okay okay i'm sorry um uh i went over my prenup with my dad and
44:28i found
44:28out it wasn't finished and so fuck wait what um so me and jordan signed up but we didn't have
44:36witness
44:36signatures so it could be all voided and i've just been struggling with that because i just like i don't
44:41know what my decision is but i feel like if i make that decision i'm putting my business in my
44:45family
44:45like the terrible situation i just don't know what will happen i'll probably lose millions
44:52so yeah i'm kind of confused what does that mean that means he can take half of her business half
44:55of everything that she has can't they like do that now can't you do it now no like it's a
45:00prenup like
45:00he's entitled to anything in the last five years that i've created and when we got married i was worth
45:04a lot less than i am now so it just sucks and i'm just like i don't want to do
45:10that to my family and
45:11my dad's like my business partner and i mean i've told you how much i'm worried like do you
45:16think he would do that i don't know he's entitled to it so like he would i could see him
45:20doing it to
45:21just and i would owe him child support or to keep and i would owe him alimony i'm just like
45:25terrified
45:25that i'm putting my family in a bad situation and i'm like i'll just stay you can't stay because of
45:30this though jess you're gonna build that money back no i know right away you're so successful there's
45:34a reason why you have a multi-million dollar business you're not dumb when it comes to the things
45:37you're gonna build it back you can't stay in a marriage that you're miserable in for money
45:42like your happiness means way more jordan has made a lot of changes but if i'm basing
45:46it off of the jordan that i was married to for four years that jordan would be a very hard
45:51person
45:51to divorce i think he would be spiteful and vindictive and i think he would play a little
45:55bit dirty so i just kind of have to prepare myself that if we do get divorced it could go
45:59that way
46:33like when did zach tell you about it
46:38um sometime last i see you almost every single day in the studio and it wasn't like
46:43i gave until connor i was like i had no idea that she knew not one thing in the studio
46:48not a text not
46:49anything okay well i was also very sick and i'm sorry not at every given point i'm thinking that's how
46:58that's how it always is jen you always have all these expectations for everyone else to be
47:02to be supportive to you and that expectation is never received ever well maybe i don't think
47:07we're actual genuine friends
47:12okay i mean if you truly were my friend you wouldn't have then became friends with the one
47:19person that was bullying me during the hardest stage of my life so okay let's not deflect let's
47:25talk about the one the one thing at hand i'm not deflecting you knew about chicago and you never said
47:30one thing to me ever well you asked me you asked me why i don't really trust whitney she is
47:36best
47:37friends with demie you guys kiss with mike what if she's holding that oh so how could i be genuine
47:43friends with her i even texted you after i found out you were sick because i wanted to make sure
47:47you're
47:48okay no response nothing zero well maybe it's not because i don't think we have a genuine friendship
47:56i don't think you actually care about me i actually don't think you care about anyone else in this
48:01group but what is going on you were nice to me during season two because it benefited you and the
48:07minute i left you went and became friends with the one jen no one wanted you around i was the
48:14one
48:14that vouched for you every you time yes i did when every time when everyone was talking about you in
48:21arizona jen it's true me i did question of the day where's jen she is pregnant a band-aid baby
48:30yay
48:31what the babies don't band-aid anything i am so shocked right now there needs to be more
48:37understanding for the love of god for the love of god come back to mom talk no just to take
48:44dancing
48:44with the stars right you knew right with a dream of mine first of all jen why didn't i reach
48:48out you
48:49don't own that dream you don't own it i'm not anyone can anyone can i'm not saying anyone in this
48:54cast
48:55can go on dancing with the stars i'm just saying it's how you did it that matters because no one
49:02wanted me around and then i came back and i built relationships again well yeah i built a relationship
49:08again with mikaela with every person in this group okay stop deflecting i support you i'm so sick of
49:15you having this expectation every single person i had any expectations yes you guys do do you guys feel
49:20like i've had an expectation i will say that i feel like if we weren't to show complete support
49:26for you right now dancing with stars i feel like we would hear it later you know no not at
49:30all it
49:31definitely feels like there's a major disconnect with whitney and jen from mom talk as a whole
49:36sometimes they kind of lose sight that they want to get these opportunities if it wasn't for mom talk
49:40in general remembering to connect with the people that brought you to where you are
49:44is in my opinion very important like from what i remember it very much felt like whitney was there
49:50for you at that time if you were truly there for me then why become friends with the one person
49:55shut the fuck up i can separate the two i can be friends with someone and be friends with someone
50:00else i can do that i can do that and we had a talk at my house when i invited
50:06your family
50:07to stay with me we had that chat i said does that make you uncomfortable and you said no i
50:14didn't
50:14want there to be any underlying contention or hard feelings just because you guys know that
50:19we get along with demie and brett yeah it's honestly i would rather not even talk about it
50:24i'm over it i'm just telling you my honest feelings it's not your honest feelings jen
50:28you're being manipulative i'm not that's what it is yes you are you yes you are how
50:32i feel we started the conversation with me sharing how i felt how you knew about chicago for a week
50:38yeah i do because i'm so pissed do you see i'm over it do you see the way that you're
50:42screaming yes
50:43i do everyone can see how are we supposed to have a healthy conversation this isn't a healthy
50:48conversation exactly i'm letting it out because i've held it in for so long i have been there for
50:53you you have not been there for me i texted you i said how are you doing you ghost me
50:57how are you
50:58doing you ghost me you sent me one text it's almost like deja vu that i'm sitting here watching
51:03this happen everything that whitney is saying to jen was the issues that i was having with whitney so
51:09i'm like whose side am i on here the chicago thing was the tipping point jen okay i see you
51:14every day
51:15and not once could you have said hey congrats that's so exciting for you because we're not friends
51:23what the fuck is going on i definitely feel like sometimes there is a battle between
51:28friendship and fame within this group and with taylor and her toxic relationship with dakota
51:34sometimes i worry about mom talks future what the fuck you just said that to me
51:39that you don't feel like we're friends okay then fuck you holy shit
51:55what the fuck is going on fuck you whitney only cares about whitney and she knows that i hold
52:00power someone needs to hold her accountable this isn't easy for anyone zach no all of us all of us
52:06are mentally unwell i can tell
52:10i'm so exhausted all the time because i don't eat i know that it's going too far and i can't
52:14stop
52:14this is taylor's last night before she flies after the bachelorette i would love to be with taylor but
52:19is that your plan is to wait for her she filled my head with all this hope now and i
52:23don't know
52:23what to think do i choose me and what makes me happy there's a lot of pain i think there's
52:27a lot
52:27of things we've done to hurt each other it doesn't have to be this way her plane leaves in an
52:32hour
52:32maybe there's a chance that she just ends up choosing me at the end can you just admit that you
52:37still love me
52:41wait where's taylor
52:54baby i knew you would come around sooner or later
52:59it took you some time
53:01but the truth that awaits you
53:03tastes better when you take your time and savor
53:06i'm into you and all of your flavors
53:09i'm not surprised cause i felt it on the inside
53:13i knew one day that our hearts would collide
53:16thank you
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