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Tribunal Justice - Season 3 - Episode 04: Sugar Daddy's Love Sick Loan
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00:00You met on a dating site called Sugar Daddy.
00:04You're giving him money, up to $20,000 in four months?
00:08You're here because you didn't pay him back $600.
00:11Dude, you can really do better than trying
00:14to buy a woman's affections.
00:16I'm just expecting to get my money back.
00:20Do you think this woman loves anybody?
00:23No, Your Honor.
00:24Are you going to, like, try to buy her dinner tonight?
00:27Yeah.
00:28He's like, yes.
00:29Yes.
00:29Yes.
00:29Was that a yes?
00:30Oof.
00:31All right.
00:32Now, on Tribunal Justice.
00:56Today's case was filed in Pensacola, Florida.
01:00Your Honor, this is case number 3091, Pritchard versus Adcraft.
01:04All parties have been sworn in.
01:06Thank you, Cassandra.
01:07You're welcome.
01:08You may be seated.
01:09Mr. Pritchard and Ms. Ashcroft, you met on a dating site called Sugar Daddy.
01:16You, sir, after spending, oh, you say between $10,000 and $20,000 on her in a period of four
01:23months, you actually loaned her $600 to pay her rent.
01:28And you say she promised to repay you.
01:30She hasn't.
01:31She hasn't.
01:32You spent so much money on her.
01:33So, really, this was you giving her money and her promising to repay.
01:37And that's what was different about this.
01:39Ma'am, what you say is that you don't owe him anything because this $600 was no different
01:44than the $10,000 or $20,000 that he spent on you to support your sugar baby lifestyle.
01:50That he's just doing this to see you again.
01:53You owe nothing.
01:54So, let's go through your situation.
01:57You guys meet on this Sugar Daddy website in June of 2024, sir?
02:03Yes, Your Honor.
02:03And what do you do?
02:04You start texting each other?
02:06Yes, Your Honor.
02:07Do you talk as well on the phone?
02:09Sometimes over the phone before she finally became comfortable with us moving forward
02:17with going out on dates, events.
02:20You go to dinner.
02:21You pay.
02:22She goes.
02:23You go once in a while.
02:24She pays.
02:25She'll buy you a gift, right?
02:26Did that ever happen with you?
02:27It was always me paying for everything and always me giving 100%.
02:33Well, you were a sugar daddy.
02:35Yes, Your Honor.
02:36So, during this time now, you finally meet in person in when? September?
02:40No, in June, Your Honor.
02:41In June?
02:41You meet in June.
02:42Does it carry through into a romantic relationship?
02:45It was on and off.
02:46What do you mean on and off?
02:48What would happen was we would make plans and we would come up with a time that I would
02:53come pick her up for us to go out.
02:56And I'm almost to her place and she's still not awake because she's been...
03:00How many times would this happen?
03:03Between June and September, I'd say somewhere around eight to ten times.
03:11How many times did you need it to happen to you to be stood up?
03:15It was a vicious circle.
03:17It was a vicious circle.
03:17No, it wasn't vicious.
03:18It was what you were doing to yourself.
03:20Let me move on before I get too agitated.
03:23So now, apparently, you tried this romantic relationship.
03:26So, let me move over to you.
03:27How do you define a romantic relationship?
03:29Going on dates and spending time together.
03:32Really?
03:32And do you share anything in these dates?
03:34Gifts or dinners or money or anything?
03:37No, because that's not what you're in this for.
03:38Correct?
03:39I did.
03:40Um, I...
03:41What did you give him?
03:42He actually said, hey, we're past Christmas.
03:44It's January.
03:46Where's my Christmas gift?
03:47You didn't even give him a Christmas present.
03:51So now we're in November.
03:53You're putting her up in an apartment, right?
03:55You're paying for an apartment for her.
03:56Yes, Your Honor.
03:56But he's not allowed to come in the apartment.
03:58Would I be correct about that?
04:00Yes.
04:00Yes, I am.
04:01Don't, don't...
04:01What are you taking time to think about?
04:03I could just pull up your text messages where you say to your cousin who lives with you,
04:07don't let him in.
04:08He's paying for your apartment.
04:10He's not allowed in.
04:11He doesn't have a key.
04:12Who's paying for her car?
04:14I bought the car.
04:15You bought the car.
04:16What kind of car did you buy her?
04:17Uh, it was an Audi.
04:19You buy her an Audi.
04:20I mean, there's got to be some kind of level of, like, criminal stupidity that you live
04:25in because it's beyond what somebody would do.
04:29By the way, what's your educational background?
04:32Uh, so I graduated high school.
04:34I worked, uh, after high school, I worked, uh, logging, ran a cutter.
04:39And then, uh, in 1999...
04:41Didn't you go to the service?
04:42I joined the Marine Corps.
04:4322 years.
04:44Eight years military policeman, uh, 14 years army infantry.
04:48So you like being told what to do and beaten up because she tells you she can't stand you,
04:52she doesn't want to be with you, you can't come into the apartment, please give me money.
04:55She says to you, my mother needs $450 because I pay my mother rent.
05:02Uh...
05:02This is where you don't give her the money, right?
05:04On that day, February 4th, uh, which is the day after I, uh, sent her money.
05:10Um, I, I deal with, uh, severe depression and anxiety that I'm being, uh, uh, seen through the VA.
05:18I'm 100% VA disabled.
05:19Yeah, yeah.
05:20And you're letting this, you're letting her take advantage of you.
05:24Instead of helping yourself get better, instead of using your money to do things to make you happy,
05:29to do things for you, you're giving it to this, just giving her money.
05:34Up to $20,000 in four months?
05:37I'm depressed just reading the case.
05:41Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
05:44Not that he came to see you, but I think you came to show him you.
05:49And that he will continue to give you money.
05:52No.
05:52Yeah, you know what?
05:54This is you, right?
05:55Yes, it is.
05:56And what are you doing here?
06:02James Pritchard is suing ex-sugar baby Isabella Ashcraft for a $600 loan she used to pay rent.
06:09He says he's tired of Isabella's deceitful behavior and now wants to teach her a lesson.
06:13Isabella says James showered her with gifts in a car, but his constant harassment ended their relationship.
06:18And he's only suing to see her again.
06:21Here, this is her.
06:22I don't know what I'm going to do.
06:24Mom says she needs the rent money today.
06:26I literally only have $100.
06:28You, trying to take a position, I'm sorry you're going through this.
06:32Just wish I could get some help.
06:34She plays you like a fiddle.
06:36That's how she plays you.
06:37And you go, well, Izzy, you've made it clear that I'm not worth your time or effort.
06:42This is what she's done.
06:43I mean, how much could a person be depressed and feel low than another person who's just a user and
06:49a taker and a loser
06:50says to you, you're not good enough for me to even steal your money from you.
06:55You want to see her.
06:56That's all about you want to see her.
06:57You want to talk to her.
06:58Oh, I love this.
07:01You say to him, I have no money for a Uber.
07:05I can't fix my car because you are, meaning him, you're so worried about your dumb ass money.
07:12You say, I'm in Orlando.
07:14I had to take a vacation.
07:16I'll talk to you when I get back.
07:18And you know what you say?
07:19You had to take a vacation, huh?
07:21When you're worried about the money I owe you?
07:24Yes.
07:25You thought it was unfair that he took a vacation?
07:27No.
07:27Yes, you did.
07:28Well, what does that mean?
07:29Just felt like he just wanted to see me here.
07:32That's, it's $600.
07:34When he could have tried for anything else, he tried for $600.
07:37I think you came here.
07:39Not that he came to see you.
07:41Well, I think you did too.
07:42But I think you came to show him you.
07:46And that he will continue to give you money.
07:49No.
07:49Yeah, you know what?
07:51This is you, right?
07:52Yes, it is.
07:53And what are you doing here?
07:55Putting yourself out there?
07:56Someone who can take care of me if needed?
07:58Someone who can maintain my car?
08:00Who were you talking to there?
08:01I actually had somebody ask me what I was looking for in a man.
08:05Just money.
08:07There's something on page 19 in one of the messages that kind of sums things up.
08:11You saying to her, you always come back for more money.
08:15Did you ever love me?
08:17Now, I'm going to just ask you that question.
08:19Do you think this woman loves anybody?
08:22No, Your Honor.
08:23And you know what you say?
08:24I just want to move forward in life.
08:26And then he says to you, that's what I thought.
08:29It was just about money for you.
08:31And you know what I wrote at the end of those text messages?
08:34Hallelujah.
08:35When you see this again, you got to run away.
08:39That's not a relationship.
08:40Judge Levy.
08:42Oof.
08:43All right.
08:44Well, it's funny how we can see things differently.
08:47Listen, no one put a gun to your head.
08:49You're an adult.
08:51You were looking for someone that was putting themselves out there on a website that you know was looking for
08:59a relationship where you would provide things and they would accept those things.
09:02Right?
09:03Yes, Your Honor.
09:03But then there came a time when you were hoping to develop into something more exclusive, more real.
09:11Yes, Your Honor.
09:12And that was, it started about 1st of September.
09:16September.
09:17When we basically became more of a couple.
09:20I get, well, in your mind's eye, you became more of a couple.
09:25Yes.
09:25That's at least what you were led to believe.
09:26Yes, Your Honor.
09:27So when you set up the defendant into this townhouse at a time when you think something's developing and she
09:35won't allow you to have a key to the place, you know, your kind of bells are going off.
09:39But you're still hopeful.
09:41Yes, Your Honor.
09:41I was.
09:42I know.
09:42From the messages.
09:43Now, Miss Ashcraft, how old are you?
09:46I'm 20.
09:46Yeah.
09:48You're a baby.
09:48But you're starting off on the wrong foot.
09:51You said to Judge Domingo that you're only here because he wants to see you again.
09:56Yes.
09:57I feel as if that's what it is.
09:59Let me drop something on you.
10:01The reason that you're here is because you didn't pay him back 600 bucks.
10:06You knew you were going to come in here and the chances of you getting a tongue lashing from someone
10:10were pretty good.
10:11Yeah.
10:12Do you think that was a good choice?
10:13No.
10:14No.
10:15What you say online, the photographs you put online, all that stuff is forever.
10:21Yeah.
10:21But you're 20 and you're not looking forever.
10:24You're not looking how it's going to affect you.
10:26You were just lucky that the person that you had here that you were dealing with was, you know, was
10:33an honorable man, honorably discharged after 22 years.
10:36Yes, Your Honor.
10:37Yeah.
10:37There are some people out there on these websites and while maybe you haven't come across them, they don't do
10:43nice things to women that they find on these websites.
10:47Yeah, I know.
10:48What do you like to do?
10:50What do you think you're good at?
10:51Where do you see yourself in 10 years?
10:55Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
10:57Sir, when was the last time you sent her money?
11:00February 3rd.
11:01That was a $600.
11:02That was the $600 transaction.
11:04Yes, Your Honor.
11:05When was the last time he sent you money?
11:07This morning.
11:08This morning.
11:14James Pritchard wants Isabella Ashcraft to pay back $600 he loaned her for rent.
11:19He says after spending thousands on her, she took advantage of him.
11:22But Isabella says James agreed to be her sugar daddy.
11:25Then his harassing behavior was too much, so she moved on.
11:29And James is only suing because he wants to see her again.
11:32What do you like to do?
11:33What do you think you're good at?
11:35Where do you see yourself in 10 years?
11:37I want to, I want to have some kind of office job.
11:43You want to have an office job?
11:44Okay.
11:45What could you do now that could make that more likely for you?
11:48You got to think about those things because if not, you're going to look in a mirror in
11:5330 years and you are not going to be happy with what you see.
11:57I'm only giving you this sort of lecture right now because to me, there's not much of
12:02a case here because as Judge Domingo indicated, you spent upwards of $20,000 on cars and rent
12:09and all that stuff.
12:10And my bad, you know it.
12:12That was all on you.
12:13No expectation of getting paid.
12:15But on February 2nd, ma'am, you made it very clear.
12:19This is your text.
12:20Can I please borrow $600 from you and I pay you back as soon as I get paid.
12:26I promise to pay you back.
12:28That was your text.
12:29Yes.
12:30And that's what changes everything.
12:32And you could have avoided all of this by just paying him $600.
12:36So why didn't you?
12:37When I got paid, I had to pay my power bill.
12:41It was off.
12:42I didn't have any money left over.
12:44And mom?
12:45Couldn't help out?
12:46No.
12:47Sell the car?
12:49I have no way to work.
12:51I get it.
12:51But this website and others that you may or may not be involved in is no place that you're
12:57going to want to be 30 years from now.
12:59No, it's not.
12:59Get on the right path.
13:01Judge, are you in school?
13:03I'm not.
13:04I work full time at a restaurant.
13:06You know, you have to do something else.
13:08There are people who go to night school.
13:10Yeah.
13:10They have online schools.
13:13You know, so just make better choices going forward.
13:15You're just too young.
13:16You know, you don't need to be stuck in this kind of rut.
13:18No.
13:18I had a really similar reaction to Judge Levy because it doesn't strike me that you really
13:24have a defense here.
13:26I mean, in your answer, you said some things about him becoming threatening and the like,
13:30but I didn't really see that in the text messages.
13:33Were there any incidents that took place that caused you to feel negatively toward him?
13:40I looked out my roommate's window one night at 12 o'clock, just randomly.
13:45I seen him walking away from the door, like back to his truck.
13:50He was checking on you.
13:52No, he told me he was sleeping at 8 o'clock.
13:55Four hours later, he was trying to come into the house with just me there.
14:02Sir, when was the last time you sent her money?
14:06That would be February 3rd.
14:08After the $600 transaction?
14:10No, that was the $600.
14:11That was the $600 transaction.
14:13Yes. Yes, Your Honor.
14:14When was the last time he sent you money?
14:16This morning.
14:17This morning.
14:19Can I show you the text?
14:20Sure.
14:21Please tell me now.
14:23It's just that top page.
14:26From the plaintiff, put all this stuff going on aside,
14:29have you eaten since getting here?
14:32I know it's expensive.
14:33You sent her that this morning?
14:35Yes, Your Honor.
14:36Before you showed up in court?
14:37Yes, Your Honor.
14:38And her response was, barely.
14:40And then you said to her again, go get breakfast and tell me how much to send you.
14:45And you said okay.
14:46So you sent her money for breakfast?
14:48Yes, Your Honor.
14:50Dude, you can really do better than trying to buy a woman's affections.
14:54You really can.
14:56You have to make better choices too.
14:58Yes, Your Honor.
14:59Are you going to like try to buy her dinner tonight?
15:03He's like yes.
15:05Okay.
15:05Was that a yes?
15:06Yes, Your Honor.
15:07Oh my God.
15:08We're not done with therapy yet.
15:09We're not done with it.
15:11The rest of this here.
15:13She tells you, you say get breakfast, tell me how much to send you.
15:15Okay.
15:16Get some extra to take to the room for lunch.
15:19Okay.
15:20I spent over 100 last night at a steakhouse.
15:23Great steak, but not for that price.
15:26You're welcome.
15:27No strings attached.
15:29I will take you later.
15:30You should at least be able to enjoy your first trip.
15:33You know, what bothers me is that I really, really, really thought that there was hope for you.
15:39But you know what?
15:41There isn't.
15:42What are you expecting to happen here now?
15:45I'm just expecting to get my money back and move forward.
15:50Move forward, but you're going to take her to dinner.
15:52Where are you moving forward to?
15:54She's not your friend.
15:55This woman, you think this woman's your friend?
15:56Look at the expression on her face.
15:57She's got a smirk on her face.
15:59This woman is not your friend.
16:00I understand.
16:02No, you don't.
16:03No, you don't.
16:03I got to get off the bench.
16:04My colleagues have questions.
16:05Just hold on.
16:06Don't get off so fast.
16:07Don't get off so fast.
16:08Wait a sec.
16:09Give me a minute.
16:10I'm giving you the time.
16:11I just don't want to be here.
16:12You know, Miss Ashcraft, you seemed pretty happy when Judge Acker asked you when the
16:19last time he gave you money was that you were just real happy to say this morning.
16:24But that was right after you almost got into tears because of an incident in which you described
16:30yourself as feeling unsafe and threatened.
16:34You know where I'm going.
16:35That part.
16:36I prosecuted domestic violence cases.
16:39Cases in which women were murdered viciously, violently because they made bad choices and put
16:47themselves in positions that they knew were unsafe.
16:50I never give someone a right to put their hands on you.
16:54But you just told Judge Acker that there was something about him and the way he felt about
17:00you that made you feel unsafe.
17:02Right?
17:03Right.
17:03You're not going to smile right now.
17:05You just answer my questions.
17:07Yes, Your Honor.
17:08And in your answer, you wrote about stuff where you said that he was getting kind of aggressive
17:15because he felt hurt, betrayed, taken advantage of.
17:20Right?
17:21Right.
17:21And he left you some messages, some voicemail messages that really got you worried in October.
17:26And you were scared.
17:27Right?
17:28Right.
17:29Mind you, I'm not saying that you were an axe murderer.
17:32That's not the point of this.
17:33The point of it is that your gut was telling you that you were unsafe and that you had
17:40to get someplace safe.
17:41Right.
17:42And that for a $20 breakfast, you're prepared to put yourself right back in that same situation.
17:47Stop.
17:48I'm not.
17:49Stop.
17:50Yeah.
17:51I'm not putting myself in that position.
17:53I hope not.
17:54I'm not.
17:54Ms. Ashcraft, if you've seen photographs of crime scenes like I've seen with women just
18:00your age, it would keep you up at night.
18:05You got to do better.
18:07I am.
18:08All right.
18:09We're going to retire to deliberate.
18:11Thank you both.
18:12Court is now on recess.
18:13Parties will be recalled.
18:22Some people are hopeless.
18:23I could be one of them because I keep trying to convince people that what they're doing is
18:28people are taking advantage of them.
18:30Listen, no matter what she did before, this was clearly, can I borrow $600?
18:35I promise to pay you back.
18:36You know, like I always say when Wimpy said to Popeye, well, I'll gladly pay you Tuesday
18:41for a hamburger today.
18:42I mean, this is what it is.
18:43She owes him the $600 and he really should take it and go directly to intensive counseling.
18:50They're both very troubled people to live this kind of life where one just takes and takes
18:54and the other just gives without any regard for his own self.
18:57And he keeps telling her in the text, if you recall, I'm going to hope you find Jesus.
19:01I hope you find God.
19:02I hope you find this.
19:03And all she did was find her way back to him.
19:06And him back to her.
19:08Yeah.
19:08I mean, he wanted to be here to see her and she wanted to be here to get lunch and
19:12dinner.
19:13Yeah.
19:13Listen, I agree.
19:14I said everything I had to outside.
19:16I hope that she changes because that road ahead for her does not look pretty.
19:20Again, she was lucky with him.
19:21And I just hope that she realizes that and finds something else to do with her time.
19:25I think that there's a real sadness to both of them.
19:28I think that she sees her options as more limited than they may be.
19:32You know, she's young enough to have a new path.
19:35And I feel bad that he doesn't feel that he can do better than this and that he had to
19:39keep getting wound up in this situation.
19:42There's something very sad about the whole case, but the legal issues couldn't be clearer.
19:47I know.
19:48All right, so we're unanimous.
19:49He's going to get the $600 back.
19:55Court is back in session.
19:57Both parties are reminded that you are still under oath.
20:00You're welcome.
20:00Well, we've reached a unanimous decision.
20:02There was a promise to repay a debt.
20:05It was a loan.
20:06You said it was.
20:08You promised to repay repeatedly.
20:10And she owes you the $600.
20:13Where the three of us really were somewhat different was on our views of both of you.
20:19But I think we all came down to one point, which is that both of you are troubled.
20:26Both of you need some sort of help.
20:29Both of you keep shaking your head yes to everything because you're both pathological on some level.
20:35That's my view.
20:36They didn't say that.
20:37And it's very sad.
20:38I mean, it's very sad that you're going to get $600 and you're going to walk out this door and
20:43you're going to buy her dinner and take her shopping.
20:45The rest of that text was, I'd love to take you shopping.
20:48The part that angers me in all of this is how you could think so little of yourself that you
20:55would go through all of this only to do it again.
20:58So when you do that and you take that $600 and you give it all back in some way, she's
21:04right.
21:05This was all about coming in here to see her.
21:07And though my colleagues each feel a sense of hope that there's something that's going to make you both better,
21:13honestly, I don't feel any chance that you're going to get any better and you're going to do anything better
21:19with your life.
21:20But as I said, we all agree that you're entitled to the $600 unanimously and I should have walked off
21:27the bench before.
21:28That's how I felt because you're just going to spend it on her.
21:34This case has concluded all parties are excused.
21:42He won $600 but just sent me money this morning.
21:44And all she has to do is hit block.
21:48I, I don't know.
21:49You can't treat somebody like I was treated.
21:52He bought my car because I didn't talk to him for a month and he told me that I needed
21:55a car.
21:56And I made a lot of mistakes and I admitted to her all my mistakes.
22:00I don't think I should have dinner with him, but I'm not sure.
22:02No dinner congratulations, probably not.
22:05Maybe.
22:05I'm going to enjoy being single.
22:07Probably not.
22:08Did someone break your heart and your bank account?
22:12Get legal therapy on Tribunal Justice.
22:15Find us on social media.
22:35Okay.
22:41We'll get it.
22:42Let's pray.
22:42We'll be back.
22:42We'll be back Oh, wait.
22:50We'll be back.
22:52Look at it.
22:53Alright.
22:53You can look at it.
22:54Well ich, we'll see it.
22:54You can look at it.
22:57You can look back on eBay.
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