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The 49ers draft board consistently deviates from the consensus—is that a sign of conviction or a flawed process? Grant Cohn joins the show to discuss why the Niners continue to "reach" for their guys and how it's hurting the team's long-term roster construction. Plus, Grant talks about why John Lynch got so defensive during their weekend presser and why Kyle Shanahan's "stubbornness" might be the team's biggest blind spot.
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00:52Again, Shasky and Grandy here on the morning roast.
00:54We've been talking a ton about the Niners draft.
00:57We just got off the phone with Brian Baldinger.
00:59Now we have another guest to get to,
01:00and that is Grant Cohn on the River Islands guest line.
01:04We just heard Grant's question to both John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan
01:08about the reaches in this draft and past drafts for the 49ers.
01:13Grant, we appreciate your time this morning.
01:15First thoughts on the Niners 2026 draft class.
01:20It was a lot like their other last five draft classes,
01:22and I think we all came into this one being like,
01:24all right, so you've got like four bad draft classes in a row,
01:27and it seems like you've been reaching for a lot of your picks,
01:30especially early.
01:31You're not really good early.
01:32Let's see if the 49ers learn from their mistakes.
01:35And on day one, it looked like they had, right?
01:36They traded down not once but twice.
01:38Everyone's like, wow, they're letting the board come to them.
01:41They're going to take the best.
01:42They definitely didn't fall in love with one guy this time.
01:45And then at 33, it's like they fell in love with one guy again,
01:49and then they did it in round three with the running back.
01:51It's like Kyle had to have his wide receiver,
01:53and Bobby Turner had to have his running back,
01:55and it didn't matter where you took him
01:56because no one says no to them in the organization.
02:01It's been that way for 10 years, and maybe they'll get it right.
02:03It's just that Bobby Turner's 0 for 6
02:05when it comes to drafting running backs in the mid-rounds,
02:07and Kyle Shanahan's batting about 400.
02:11So we'll see what happens.
02:12Yeah, I know the draft has become such a very targeted thing in the NFL
02:17where we hone in on these specific players.
02:20I get the sense from them that there's like eight or nine guys
02:25that they feel comfortable with in the entire draft
02:27out of the hundreds of guys that could be available.
02:29And these are the only eight or nine guys,
02:31and no matter where they are, if we're within a round or so,
02:35that's good enough for us.
02:36And I find that to be such a contrast
02:38to the greatest era in 49er history, which is the Walsh era.
02:42Montana was not his first selection at quarterback.
02:45Jerry Rice was not the wide receiver he traded up to go get
02:49and ended up being one of the greatest players of all time.
02:52You look at his famous 87 and 86 drafts
02:55and where he's trading back,
02:56and they talked about being flexible to take multiple guys.
03:00Why are they so hyper-focused on a handful of guys
03:04throughout the entire draft like they're the only ones that can help them?
03:08Because they don't have a true general manager,
03:10a true player personnel guy.
03:12They have Kyle Shanahan, and he's making these picks,
03:14maybe with his dad, and they fall in love with eight players.
03:19And it's like they already make the draft pick before the draft starts,
03:22which is, I think, why their process is so flawed.
03:25Look at Howie Roseman, who's universally regarded as the best.
03:28Do you think he went into round one knowing he was going to get Makai Lemon?
03:32Or do you think he was just sitting there, and he saw Makai Lemon fall,
03:35and he's like, wow, what an interesting opportunity.
03:36It wasn't necessarily what I planned to do,
03:38but I'm going to react to the board in real time.
03:41The Niners never do that.
03:42And I think that's why it's so frustrating heading into year 10.
03:45I think it's a great point on the GM there,
03:47because I was telling Mark, like, we're in the era of last year,
03:52Howie won the Super Bowl.
03:53And I felt like he was the bigger star than the coach,
03:57meaning the GM was.
03:58Quineon Mitchell and Cooper DeGene.
03:59He was unbelievable, and he assembled just a monster squad.
04:02Same thing this year.
04:03Not that Mike McDonald isn't awesome, but it was John Schneider.
04:07Mickey Manwari, hell of a pick.
04:08He got all the love, and it just feels like the Niners are more –
04:12and Kyle's a great game day coach,
04:13but the GM situation is just so fuzzy, Grant.
04:17It's just bizarre.
04:19I think we're getting to the point where we would like,
04:21or a lot of people would like the 49ers to get an actual general manager
04:25and have Kyle Shanahan focus on coaching.
04:28I mean, Sean McVay probably has influence on personnel,
04:31but Les Snead is running the show, and he has decades of experience picking players.
04:35And on the Niners, it seems very much like Kyle runs the show,
04:38and John Lynch comes out and speaks for him,
04:41but is essentially a mouthpiece who gathers consensus inside the building
04:46while ignoring consensus outside the building.
04:49And I don't think that's helping them anymore.
04:50The only question is, would Kyle Shanahan go for such an arrangement,
04:53or does he want to essentially be the emperor of Santa Clara?
04:57You asked – excuse me – you asked Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch about reaches,
05:02and that in and of itself includes the consensus big board.
05:05We've been talking a lot about value and trying to explain it the best that we can.
05:10Why don't you take a stab?
05:11What does the 49ers ignoring the consensus do?
05:15How does that hurt the drafting process?
05:17I mean, it's like buying a car for $80,000 that you could have got for $50,000 across town
05:23and saying, well, I love the car. It's a great car.
05:25It's like, yeah, sure, but you could have got it over here for $50,000
05:28and then spent the other $30,000 on the hot tub you wanted.
05:31Like, in practical terms, they took Dajon Stribling with the 33rd pick.
05:35Okay, the next pick was a plug-and-play left guard who would have started right away
05:39and made their offensive line a lot better.
05:41Dajon Stribling might be good one day, but he's going to be fourth or fifth on the depth chart.
05:44He has to learn how to run routes. It's going to take a while.
05:47This is a team. I mean, it's very much like the Ty Simpson pick.
05:50You're in a position to be the best team in the league if you make a smart pick right here.
05:54You're in a position to take a plug-and-play starter, and you got a guy for next year?
05:59Someone who could learn from Mike Evans and replace him down the line?
06:02Man, that's like taking Ty Simpson.
06:04Don't you want to be the best team in the league, or are you content to be in the mix?
06:08It's just a great question.
06:11I want to get into what happened on Saturday, because that's the thing that's going viral with you.
06:15And you do a great job covering the team.
06:17I texted you Saturday, and I said, hey, look, I think it's really courageous.
06:20I sit here in an empty room yelling into a camera all day,
06:23and I don't ever get a chance to be in front of someone.
06:26And I know that when I am in front of individuals, trust me, I butter them up.
06:30I don't have the courage to ask tough questions.
06:33Like, I freely admit that. I'm raising my hand.
06:35I can think of many different situations where I'm at the Warriors facility,
06:39and there's a player that maybe I said some negative things about,
06:42and I'm like, yeah, let me just butter this guy up and not bring up the negative.
06:46You are an unbelievable professional, and you asked a very difficult question
06:50on Saturday afternoon to John Lynch.
06:52Here is the back and forth between you and John Lynch,
06:56and we'll get to Kyle's answer a couple minutes later.
06:58But I want to start with you and Lynch first.
07:00Here's the sound from Saturday.
07:02John, your draft board seems to deviate quite a bit from the consensus.
07:06Why are you confident with that, given your track record drafting the last few years?
07:10It seems like it leads to you making reaches.
07:13Well, I appreciate that you think that.
07:16Depends whose consensus.
07:18We've got consensus in this building.
07:19That's the consensus I care about.
07:23So, you're sitting there, you're asking the question,
07:26and I heard you kind of explain it Saturday night,
07:28and then again with your father yesterday.
07:31I think it's a fair question, and I think that he was not happy with said question.
07:35What was your interpretation sitting there?
07:38He got defensive.
07:39He got defensive, which really, I wasn't trying to do that.
07:42I mean, it was the right question.
07:43Everyone was talking about the Niners' reaches.
07:46Like, they're doing it again.
07:47And I felt like I couldn't go home and look my dad in the eye if I didn't ask the
07:50question.
07:51Like, I wouldn't be his son if I didn't at least try.
07:53So, I wasn't expecting John Lynch to be so defensive.
07:57He's usually so cool and collected.
07:58I thought he would have something to say.
08:00I thought he'd be prepared for it, considering the whole world was talking about it.
08:03But he didn't like it.
08:04I mean, maybe he felt stressed because he feels like his reputation's on the line.
08:07Then Kyle comes back about two, three minutes later.
08:09Yeah, we have that.
08:10And has, like, an actual answer.
08:12Because Kyle doesn't seem threatened.
08:14I mean, Kyle's not going to lose his job.
08:15And I thought his answer was really interesting.
08:17Essentially, what he said was, we wanted our guy.
08:20Our guy was Dajon Stribling.
08:21We could have taken him at 27.
08:23But we had real restraint trading down twice and getting him at 33.
08:27I want credit for taking him at 33.
08:30And I respected Kyle for at least coming out and saying it and not being so defensive.
08:34But, Grant, this goes beyond just drafting Dajon Stribling at 33 overall.
08:37This goes to drafting Kalon Black in the third round, running back from Indiana.
08:43And you talk about track record.
08:45The track record specifically for drafting running backs.
08:47I mean, I don't think there's any other worst track record in the entire NFL.
08:52This, to me, it goes so much further beyond just Kavon Stribling or Dajon Stribling.
08:56It's not one pick.
08:57It's about everybody else.
08:58Yes.
08:59Yeah, you're right.
09:00I mean, with Black in particular, he's the third running back off the board.
09:03He wasn't even invited to the combine.
09:0521 running backs were invited to the combine.
09:07He wasn't one of them.
09:08At Indiana last year, he wasn't even their number one running back.
09:11Like, Roman Hemby, some guy who was undrafted to the Raiders, was the number one running back in Indiana last
09:17year.
09:17This guy might be good.
09:19But in the third round, when guys like Emmitt Johnson are getting taken in the fifth round, you really can't
09:24defend it.
09:24Well, and I think when I look at this team and why they're where they're at, 2024, we're still TBD.
09:312025 is obviously, or whatever it is, 2025.
09:35Yeah, 2025 was last year.
09:36I think that's still TBD.
09:37But from 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023, that's four years of drafts.
09:43This is who's still on the team.
09:46Diomino Lenore, he got a second contract.
09:48Brock Purdy, he got a second contract.
09:51McKivitts, he got a second contract.
09:54Zachal, who's a backup.
09:56And Jair Brown.
09:57So you went one, two, three, four drafts.
10:00And we've got a total of five guys and three you've re-signed.
10:04That's why we're where we're at, asking these questions, John.
10:07And all the guys you mentioned were day three picks with the exception of Jair Brown.
10:10The Niners are so bad at drafting early in the draft.
10:13And it's not because they're unlucky.
10:15We've seen it.
10:15It's 10 years of evidence.
10:16Their process is bad.
10:19There is such a thing as the consensus board.
10:21And the Niners are the team that wants to reach against it the most of any team in the league.
10:26They're getting terrible results.
10:27They need to look at that and adjust their approach or bring in someone else who will do it differently
10:32because they're killing themselves.
10:34I mean, they're still a good team.
10:36They've made some great trades.
10:37John Lynch isn't necessarily a bad GM, but the drafting.
10:41They had the worst draft in the league.
10:43Can we say that?
10:43They clearly had the worst draft in the league, and that's a problem.
10:47Grant Cohen with us here on the Morning Roast.
10:49Grant, we're talking about the history, the last five drafts or so for this Niner team.
10:54I don't think anybody can look at it and say it's been great.
10:57It definitely has not been great.
10:58It's been way closer to terrible than great.
11:01Do you sense any frustration?
11:04Again, you said you're not going to fire Kyle Shanahan.
11:06That would be absurd.
11:07He's one of the best coaches in the NFL.
11:10But clearly there is, I think, an issue with the draft process.
11:13Is there any frustration from Jed York, from anyone in the front office, in the leadership
11:19of this team that feels like something has to change in terms of the draft process at
11:23least?
11:24I don't know how Jed York feels privately about this, but I would have to imagine that he's
11:28aware that everyone is aware that the Niners have been really bad at drafting for half a
11:34decade at least and that they have the same pattern every time.
11:38And then if it doesn't work this time, they got to make changes because the way their roster
11:43is constructed now, they're spending so much money on Brock Purdy.
11:46The only way they're going to be consistently competitive in the playoffs is if they draft
11:50really well from here on out.
11:52And they're holding on to this older core of players.
11:55Once they leave, the Niners could be really bad.
11:57So it's a critical time.
11:59And I think John Lynch has about one year left on his contract.
12:01He has to prove that he can draft a pro bowler.
12:05He keeps talking about he has all 11 draft picks on the roster from last year.
12:09That's the bare minimum.
12:10He has to draft someone really good this year or else I wouldn't be surprised if they bring
12:16in someone else.
12:17So, Grant, I'm looking over here at Billy from Atko Pest Control who's holding the big
12:21golf tournament.
12:22That's who I was dapping up.
12:22I apologize for being distracted.
12:25I look at this situation with the 49ers and one of the things that I think really bugs
12:31me regarding value is that last year, and we didn't get any tweets from Jed this year,
12:35but last year, oh, this is a solid pick.
12:38Hashtag solid.
12:39Hashtag trenches.
12:40And if you look at the draft, all the defensive guys they took fit a very specific scheme.
12:45One year later, we're making totally different picks with totally different scheme in mind.
12:51And we're not taking best overall, and I'm okay with that if there's carryover year to
12:56year.
12:57But what does it say about your class from last year if you're drafting the exact same
13:01positions but for a different scheme fit this year?
13:05That tells me we just don't have continuity at the top.
13:08Like, I understand it, I guess, on some level.
13:11But, like, guys, Alfred Collins, CJ West, like, are those fits for this year?
13:15I don't know.
13:16You just played D winners and didn't play Nick Martin at all last year.
13:19Now you traded D winners away.
13:21You didn't even see what Nick Martin could do.
13:24I get frustrated because it feels like there's no rhyme or reason to their draft board or
13:29philosophy in terms of carryover year to year.
13:33John Lynch is always talking about conviction, and he's convicted.
13:36Like, do you have conviction about the players you draft, or do you just turn it over to your
13:40defensive coordinator?
13:41It seemed like last year, Sala made the picks, and now Sala's gone.
13:44And you bring in Raheem Morris, who has zero connection to Robert Sala.
13:47He runs a 3-4.
13:48Sala runs that 4-3 old-school Seattle-style defense.
13:51And now John's just turned over the defense to Raheem.
13:55And he's like, who do you need?
13:56I need Romello Hite.
13:58So it seemed like Kyle got his draft crush in round two.
14:01Then Raheem got his draft crush right after that.
14:03And then Bobby Turner after that.
14:05It's fine to let coaches have input on personnel, but they're not scouts.
14:10And if you do it consistently over 10 years, this is what you get.
14:14Does it go back to John Lynch or Kyle Shanahan in your eye?
14:17That's, to me, the big question.
14:18Is this John Lynch's fault, or is it Kyle's fault?
14:21Like, who needs to be replaced as the general manager?
14:26To me, it's Shanahan.
14:28Yeah, to me, it's Shanahan.
14:29See, this is where I think it gets very difficult, nuance.
14:31People are like, well, you want to fire Shanahan?
14:33No.
14:34I think Shanahan's one of the best coaches in the league by far.
14:36What we're saying is that Kyle, the GM, is hamstringing Kyle, the coach, on game day.
14:41And at the end of the year...
14:42His dad did the same thing to himself in Denver.
14:44Exactly.
14:45Belichick did it to himself in New England.
14:47You know, Holmgren, at some point, Holmgren did it to himself in Seattle.
14:51The days of the head coach being the ultimate GM are kind of over.
14:56We're seeing this.
14:57It's a very difficult, nuanced position.
15:00That doesn't mean you can't have influence on it.
15:03But when you're the one creating the board and making all the picks, like, I just think it creates a
15:09mess.
15:10Because coaches want to win on game day and replace...
15:13Like, for example, the guy they drafted in the first round, technically 33rd overall, that's to replace Jawan Jennings.
15:19Is it?
15:20Because I wasn't coming out of that game saying, got to replace Jawan Jennings.
15:23I was coming out of the Seattle game going, got to fix the trenches.
15:26Like, that's what I was thinking.
15:29Yeah.
15:29And you were hoping that they would go into this draft and say, we're going to take the best player
15:33available because that's what they haven't been doing the last 10 years, which is how they miss first round draft
15:38picks at an alarming rate.
15:39Like, Trent Baalke was not a good general manager.
15:42He had no social skills.
15:43He couldn't even talk.
15:45But he wouldn't miss on first round picks.
15:47He missed on AJ Jenkins.
15:48But he took Aldon Smith and Mike Upati and Anthony Davis and Eric Reid and Jimmy Ward and DeForest Buckner
15:55and Eric Arndt.
15:55Like, where are those picks for John Lynch?
15:58Jawan Kinlaw and Ricky Pearsall and Trey Lance and Solomon Todd.
16:03Some of the worst first round picks in franchise history.
16:05And he's been saved by, you know, Brock Purdy and a few other picks that he made in the teens
16:11in the first Trump administration.
16:13But, like, that well has gone dry.
16:16So, in 2024, 2025, this is the 2026 draft.
16:21But in 2024 and 2025, this is the productivity you got on offense from those draft picks.
16:28Pearsall had 36 catches for 500 yards and zero touchdowns.
16:32That's it.
16:33That's it.
16:34Cowan didn't see the field.
16:36Your running backs couldn't get a carry this year.
16:40I'm talking about, you know, Isaac Arendo.
16:42He didn't even suit up, it felt like.
16:44Couldn't play special teams.
16:45Jordan James didn't play either.
16:46Jordan James didn't play until the playoffs.
16:48That was your productivity from both draft classes.
16:51Your undrafted free agent, practice squad guy, Jake Tonjes, five touchdowns, 34 catches, and almost 300 yards.
16:58Who's bringing Jake Tonjes onto this roster?
17:01That's the question I have.
17:03Like, who's kneeling these undrafted free agents versus who's making the draft picks?
17:07Because the undrafted free agents, they're impactful.
17:11Well, the thing about Jake Tonjes is he wasn't even signed by then.
17:14He was a Chicago Bear undrafted free agent, and the Niners signed him off their practice squad, I believe.
17:19So I don't know who found him, but that was one of the Niners' best signings of the last five
17:23years.
17:25Let's give John, I'll give John Lish credit for something.
17:27I don't want to run him out of town and say that he's terrible at his job.
17:31I'm just focused on the draft because they, as a collective organization, are terrible at the draft.
17:36And you could blame Kyle or you could blame John.
17:38I don't know who you want, but it seems like there needs to be someone else that they bring in.
17:41And it's not Quesi Adolfo Mensah.
17:43It's someone from a completely different organization.
17:47Like, go get the number two guy from Detroit or Philly or the Rams and acknowledge that your process isn't
17:54good.
17:55And the Niners aren't willing to do that.
17:56Do you feel like Kyle Shanahan is willing to let go of the rope a little bit?
18:00Or is he stubborn in this process?
18:04What do you think?
18:05I think he's pretty stubborn.
18:07Yeah.
18:08We know Kyle.
18:09For better or worse, we know Kyle exactly who he is.
18:13He hasn't changed at all, for better or worse.
18:16I don't think he'll go for it.
18:17And I think that's one of his flaws.
18:19No doubt.
18:20Every coach has flaws.
18:21I mean, pick the greatest coach of all time.
18:23They're going to have a blind spot.
18:24Are you surprised that your interaction with John Lynch went so viral?
18:29Yes.
18:30I didn't realize that that would happen.
18:33I thought I came across kind of nervous in the thing.
18:36I don't think I came across that great.
18:37I was nervous.
18:38I knew he wasn't going to like the question.
18:40I didn't think he'd be that defensive.
18:42The reason it went viral is because he went.
18:44He was so defensive.
18:45And he acted like I was the only one who noticed this.
18:48When this has been the conversation online in real life all weekend.
18:52And it just seemed like he was oblivious.
18:54Surprisingly oblivious and unprepared.
18:56I've watched the clip so many times.
18:58I was focused on Kyle.
18:59And I could see his brain turning.
19:02You know, he was thinking about it.
19:04I actually think Kyle thought it was a good question.
19:06And I think that he took some time to think about it.
19:09And let it marinate.
19:10And then came back around with that answer.
19:12What were your thoughts on Kyle as you were talking with John Lynch?
19:17I had the same take.
19:19I mean, Kyle sometimes gets annoyed with me.
19:22Like after a loss when I ask him why he lost.
19:24Like that's fair.
19:25But I think in this case he understood.
19:27No, we have to answer for this.
19:29It's what's on everyone's mind.
19:32And just getting defensive and dismissing it isn't good enough.
19:35And I'm secure in my process even if people think it's bad.
19:39So I'm going to explain it.
19:41And that's one of the things I really do appreciate about Kyle Shanahan.
19:44He's not like Bill Belichick who looks at you like, how dare you question me?
19:47He's like, no, I can answer this question.
19:49I'm actually a football genius.
19:50Give me 90 seconds.
19:52And whether you agree with him or not, you come away with it being like, I appreciate the effort.
19:57He is a football genius.
19:59I think no one's questioning him on game day.
20:01Possibly.
20:02Now we question certain calls and certain situations.
20:06But like everybody thinks he's an amazing coach.
20:10If you were, because everybody thinks you're a hater, you're not a hater.
20:13What's your favorite pick that they made over the weekend?
20:17I like their picks on day three.
20:19I felt like Grayson Halton is a guy who was, wasn't a reach and can contribute right away.
20:24And then the reaches on day three, like Carver Willis or Enrique Cruz or Duggar.
20:29Those are all guys who have, who are really, really athletic, who might be able to develop into starting caliber
20:34players down the line.
20:35Those are the kind of reaches you want to make.
20:38Reaches for athletes on day three, not reaches for the dude who ran the 4-3-6 at 33 or
20:45the running back at 90.
20:46So I like, I'm optimistic about the day three picks.
20:50I can't get over the day two picks.
20:53Yeah.
20:54I just, I'm with you on that one.
20:56I'm shocked they didn't take a tight end.
20:58I love George Kittle.
20:59He's amazing.
21:00He had three separate injuries last year, three, and, and any one of them put them on the shelf for
21:05half a season, if not more.
21:07I'm shocked they didn't take a tight end.
21:10Yeah.
21:10How is wide receiver a bigger need than tight end?
21:13You signed Mike Evans, you signed Christian Kirk, you drafted Ricky Pearsall two years ago, and you have to bring
21:19in another wide receiver.
21:20And what's funny is no one's bringing this up, but the reason that wide receiver is such a huge need
21:24that they had to address it three different times this offseason is because they blew up the relationship with Brandon
21:29Ayuk.
21:29And we're all blaming Ayuk for it, but it was like, did, was that necessary?
21:32Like, he's probably healthy now.
21:34It was a rehab issue then.
21:36Now you had to bring in three guys to replace him.
21:40And frankly, are any of them as good as Brandon Ayuk when he's healthy?
21:42I don't know.
21:43I guess we'll see.
21:44Yeah.
21:45Grant, we appreciate your time.
21:46Great question to, to John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan on Saturday.
21:49And I'm sure the guys will catch up with you on the show again sometime soon.
21:51Let's play golf soon, buddy.
21:53Circle July 13th.
21:54I think we got a 95.7 the game thing circled for that day.
21:58You're playing with me.
21:59We're playing in a group together.
22:00We're going to make it happen, bro.
22:01I love it, man.
22:02My schedule's wide open.
22:02Let's do it.
22:03Let's do it, bro.
22:04Have a good one.
22:05Are you too?
22:06All right.
22:06That's Grant Cohn with us here on the River Islands guest line at 95.7 the game.
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