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Philosopher Stefan Molyneux breaks down state immigration's NAP violations through censorship and forced association, arming Elbonia's property truths for decentralized accountability and unyielding community power.
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00:00Alright, great question. I'm just shaking off the ferocious conflict with the mystic. It's like a brain assault. So, a
00:10listener from Twitter had a question about how do we deal with immigration without violating the non-aggression principle.
00:18Non-aggression principle, of course, you should not, you must not, it's immoral, to initiate the use of force against
00:25others. Self-defense is fine. So, how do we deal with the question of immigration? Now, I talk about this
00:32in my book, The Future, in which you can get at freedomain.com slash books. It's a great book. You
00:37should definitely check it out. It's really, really good.
00:41So, how do we deal with immigration without violating the non-aggression principle? So, let's talk about the country, Elbonia,
00:50or the geographical region, Elbonia, where everything is privately owned. There is no government, a moral society.
00:58So, there's two things that are key to why immigration can turn bad. Number one is censorship, and number two
01:09is forced association. So, censorship is when you suppress information that would lead to fewer leftists having power. That's basically
01:20what censorship is.
01:21Because people on the right tend not to be very censorious, except maybe regarding Israel, but on the left, they
01:27tend to be very censorious. And so, for instance, James Damore, who was an engineer at Google I had on
01:34the show many years ago, who said that it was possible that there was some biological or non-prejudicial or
01:41non-bigotry, bigoted factors as to why women might not be very high up in the tech industry.
01:47And rather than debate this, he was fired and ostracized and so on and made an example of and so
01:53on, right? So, censorship is important. So, negative aspects of foreign cultures or whatever it is, is kind of heavily
02:04suppressed in the West, honesty and, I mean, even crime statistics and things like that, heavily suppressed in the West
02:11because the leftists want to import more people.
02:16Who are more likely to vote for the left, right? It's a form of ballot stuffing with human beings. It's
02:22very dehumanizing and terrible and all of that. But that's sort of the basic. So, you get a lot of
02:26censorship that is going on. And censorship is like driving blindfolded at high speed. And it's going to end. It
02:34ends in disaster.
02:35It's bad for just about everyone involved, except the power mongers, of course, which is why they want it. So,
02:41censorship is really important for harming healthy and productive immigration. That's number one. Number two, forced association, right? So, the
02:51way that it generally went in the West was, let's say, blacks or other ethnicities or races were doing poorly.
03:00Hispanics and so on were doing poorly.
03:01And rather than look for alternate explanations to endless horrible white racism, endless horrible white racism and the injustice and
03:10evil of it was portrayed as the only possible cause of ethnic disparities in economic outcomes and so on. Not
03:18culture, not IQ, no combination of single motherhood or anything like that, right? Or dependence on the welfare state or
03:24voting for leftists, like whatever it is, right?
03:28So, when you don't have censorship, you have a robust and usually multifaceted exploration of a particular problem, which is
03:37more accurate than the there's one answer for everything. And the answer as to why some groups aren't doing well
03:44is endless white racism. And that's the only answer that's allowed. And if you even question that answer, then you
03:51are an even worse white racist, you know, that kind of thing, right? You have to accept it. And if
03:56you don't accept it,
03:57then you have to accept it even harder, like it's just a real hole with no bottom, a truly vicious
04:05circle. So, the way that it went was, the only reason why, say, Hispanics aren't doing well is endless white
04:12racism.
04:13And therefore, you need the government to intervene on the behalf of, say, Hispanics and force white people or others
04:22to hire them, because that's the only way to overcome this endless racial hatred, prejudice, whatever you want to call
04:28it, the racism.
04:29And so, forced association becomes the norm. Also, of course, you have to ban IQ tests. And that has the
04:38benefit of hiding what is a potential cause, or at least a partially explanatory cause for some disparities.
04:44You end up hiding that, which then if people don't know why, some groups aren't doing well, and then someone
04:51comes along and says, oh, it's endless white racism, and there's no other answer that's allowed, or at least, I
04:57mean, of course, it's that white racism, there's racism in every race, and blah, blah, blah.
04:59But is it, like, monolithic white racism is the only reason? In other words, white people could very productively hire
05:06other ethnicities, but they just prefer to lose money and go bankrupt rather than hire people, because it doesn't really
05:15fit together that this is endless prejudice combined with this endless profit money lust that's supposed to override all other
05:22concerns.
05:23So, anyway, none of it hangs together, but it's not supposed to hang together. It's just supposed to help people
05:27pursue power, of course.
05:29So, you have forced association economically, and you have the welfare state. I mean, there's a fascinating thing in leftism.
05:38I've watched a little bit of this show called The Pit, because I also like to keep track of what's
05:42going on in contemporary culture, and it is, I mean, technically, it's a brilliant show, and the rehearsals must be
05:49wild, the makeup is incredible.
05:51And it is, of course, and it is, of course, as you would expect from modern media, horrendous anti-whitism,
05:58right?
05:58So, but one of the things you notice is that the groups that leftists sympathize, all negative outcomes, all bad
06:09outcomes are prescribed to external causes, right?
06:15So, there's a guy who's like 475 pounds, like he's so heavy they can't use the MRI, because it only
06:22goes to 450 or something like that, and he's, I mean, obviously, horrendously morbidly obese.
06:27I mean, it's really, it's a very sad situation, and why did he become that way?
06:32Well, it's not because he overate, it's not because he got lazy, and, you know, I'm not saying that being
06:37overweight is as simple as that, but it's like, well, his wife left him, he lost his job, and there
06:42were all of these tragedies, and then that explains why he's overweight.
06:46So, the leftists dangle, in a, you know, kind of demonic way, they dangle external explanations as to why a
06:56terrible thing has occurred.
06:59There's another fellow there who leaves, because he can't pay his hospital bill, he's concerned he can't pay his hospital
07:06bill, and he's also hidden $100,000 in debt, medical debt from his wife, and he leaves, and he's got
07:14diabetic issues, and he also is quite significantly overweight.
07:18That's not, of course, ever addressed.
07:20And so, it's just, you know, it's the bad system, and he's a hardworking, tries his best kind of thing,
07:27all of that sort of stuff.
07:28The homeless people, like, there are a couple of homeless people, and, you know, I mean, in the first couple
07:33of episodes, like, the white male young doctor in training, you know, gets sprayed with blood, gets peed on, you
07:42know, gets squirted with stuff, like, it's all just horrible humiliation rituals, and it's really, I mean, it's just terrible.
07:47It gets better, I think, as the show goes along.
07:48And, of course, only the white characters on the show are allowed to have complexities and ambiguities, for the most
07:53part, everyone else is just sort of simple and noble, but the white people have contradictory thoughts and so on.
07:59And so, if the producers like a particular demographic, then they will ascribe all negative outcomes to environment and circumstances.
08:08It's not your fault, it's the system, but the reason you became fat is just a series of dominoes from
08:14your wife leaving you and you losing your job and so on, right?
08:17It's like, well, if you lost your job, wouldn't you want to spend less on food?
08:22I mean, wouldn't that be sort of important?
08:24When I look at obese people, I look at, of course, significant overeating, which has cost them tens of thousands
08:31of dollars, and wouldn't it be better to save that money?
08:34So, if you're, oh, we can't afford to eat well, it's like, no, no, no, cheap, cheap.
08:38Eating well is cheaper as a whole.
08:40Fruit is cheaper than candy per serving.
08:42So, anyway.
08:43So, it's just something that I've kind of noticed that.
08:47One of the things that left this dangle in front of people who've done badly in life is an external
08:51explanation.
08:52And people are very hungry for that.
08:53So, I say, well, why am I depressed or anxious?
08:56Is it because I was abused as a child?
08:58Is it because I have abusive, exploited people around me?
09:00No, it's a chemical imbalance, which doesn't exist and has never been proven.
09:04In fact, there's significant counter-evidence.
09:07So, you say, well, why am I unhappy?
09:09Oh, it's a brain imbalance.
09:11And you've got to take these SSRIs.
09:13It's like taking insulin for diabetes, blah, blah, blah.
09:15And so, when very bad things have happened in life, there's an entire contingent of people who will descend upon
09:24people to whom bad things have happened or have actually done bad things.
09:28And they will say, it's not your fault.
09:31It's not your fault.
09:33It was circumstances, the environment, the capitalist, the medical system, the prejudice, the bigotry, the racism, the sexism, the whatever,
09:40right?
09:40And they'll say, it's not your fault.
09:42My mom, of course, went through this as well, that my mother had a pretty terrible life.
09:47Obviously, she suffered great evils as a child in the war.
09:51And then she did great evils as an adult.
09:54And she was never able to get and keep a man.
09:58And her life was, you know, kind of a disaster.
10:01She was broke and so on.
10:03And then what happened was, and I don't exactly know how they found her, but a group found her.
10:09I won't sort of get into the details.
10:11But a group found her and gave her medical excuses.
10:14The reason, you see, my dear, the reason that your wife has gone badly is because of the medical system,
10:24because of sexism against women, and because there's evil capitalists profiting off the health care, even though it's socialized health
10:34care in Canada.
10:35And they gave her an excuse.
10:36And they gave her what I consider to be a made-up ailment.
10:40And they said, that's why.
10:42And I remember one of the people from this group, when I was having a lot of problems with my
10:45mother, and my mother phoned this person up and put me on the line.
10:48And the person said, you know, you have to understand that your mother is sick, and she hasn't been treated,
10:52and she's got all these medical things, and there's sexism against her, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
10:58And I'm like, eh, no, I don't, you know, I don't think that's true.
11:03I don't think that's true.
11:04I do think that people can get unwell as a result of the stress of lying and deceiving themselves and
11:12being greedy and entitled and, you know, all these sorts of things.
11:16So, I do accept that there are medical consequences to immorality, but this, oh, she's got XYZ syndrome and so
11:25on, and it's like, that's why all these bad things happened, and she was untreated.
11:29And then, my mother in particular got very angry, enraged, in fact, for years and years, decades, at a doctor
11:35who, after running every test known to man and not finding anything wrong with my mother, said that perhaps her
11:42ailments or her tiredness or her problems, her physical problems, for which they could not find any cause, and she
11:50went to a variety of doctors and so on, and could find no cause.
11:53And he said that perhaps it is something to do with how you think, or perhaps it's psychosomatic, or maybe
11:58you should see a psychologist.
11:59And the way that my mother characterized this was the doctor said to me, it's all in your head, baby.
12:07And so, when people's lives go badly, there's an entire industry, an entire massive multi-trillion dollar industry that says
12:17to them, it's not your fault.
12:19It's circumstances, environment.
12:20environment. If a woman ends up as a single mother, there's an entire industry, and bureaucracy, and political power that
12:28says to her, oh, no, that's not your fault.
12:30You know, he left you, he took off on you, men are bad, men are wrong, blah, blah, blah, blah,
12:34blah, right?
12:36So, if you are beloved of the left, then you are given all the excuses known to man.
12:41If you're angry, it's because you're mistreated.
12:43However, if you're a white person in these environments, then you're angry because you're an asshole.
12:49Like, there's this guy who ends up punching this lovely New York nurse, and he's just a bad guy, and
12:57he's arrested.
12:57There's no excuses.
12:58He's just mean and bad and wrong.
13:00And there are people who are 475 pounds, and they're given all the excuses known to man.
13:05There are other addicts, and everyone says, oh, you have to be gentle with the addicts.
13:09You have to believe them.
13:09You have to understand them.
13:10You have to have sympathy with them.
13:11You have to treat them.
13:12You have to give them hugs.
13:13And then there's this white male doctor who's a minor addict.
13:19He's addicted to some painkillers, and he is just condemned, and he's going to lose his license, and he's fired,
13:25and people are yelling at him, and he's got to make all this restitution.
13:30Right?
13:30So, if you're an addict, like a homeless addict, then you have sympathy.
13:34If you're a food addict, you have sympathy.
13:36If you are a drug addict, you get sympathy, unless you're a white male, in which case you get no
13:42excuses.
13:43You're cursed, condemned, and so on.
13:45And so, that's the way that power divides in the world.
13:48Power divides that if you are liked by the left, they will give you excuses, which actually traps you.
13:53And if you're disliked by the left, you get no excuses, and you get attacked and condemned.
13:58Right?
13:59I mean, if I was liked by the left and said things that were untoward, they'd say, ah, yes, but
14:04look, his mother was institutionalized.
14:06She was raised in an abusive household.
14:07He's going to have some difficulty understanding and reading cues, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, so we've got to
14:12have sympathy, and so on.
14:13Right?
14:13But that didn't matter, of course, because I'm somebody that the left despises, so they give me no excuses and
14:18only condemnations.
14:20So, people are not responsible for the food that goes into their mouth because of prior trauma and history and
14:28so on.
14:29But I am responsible for everything I say, even if it's true, and there's no excuse for prior history.
14:35So, if you are liked by the left, all of your, quote, dysfunctions are caused by things outside of yourself,
14:41and you're just a victim of circumstances or history.
14:43If you're disliked by the left, then none of your history matters, and you're just a causeless asshole or jerk
14:50or racist or sexist or whatever label they're going to put on you, and there's no sympathy, no history.
14:54So, the provision or withdrawing of sympathy is really terrible on the left.
15:00It's awful, right?
15:01Because giving people excuses traps them in their dysfunction.
15:05And usually, it's the case that when people have done so much wrong that they can't undo it, like, I
15:09don't know how you come back in particular from, like, close to 500 pounds.
15:12It's really tough.
15:13If, then, when people have done the kind of wrong that can't be undone, then they're desperate for excuses, and
15:18the left is happy to provide it in return for political power, right?
15:21I'll give you excuses, you vote for me, I'll help you avoid the consequences of your own bad decisions, and
15:27you vote to give me power.
15:29It's really demonic in its own way.
15:32So, sorry, it's a little bit of a sidebar, but kind of important.
15:34And so, the way that we solve the questions of immigration is a privately owned land, so you have to
15:41have people's consent to join the community.
15:43It's all privately owned.
15:44Number one.
15:45Number two.
15:46In a free society, there's no centralized oligarchical political power like the state to censor people, and no particular incentive
15:53to do so, because censorship does not lead to political power, because censorship is always enacted with the goal of
15:59political power.
16:00I mean, in a sort of nationwide way.
16:03Censorship is always enacted with the goal of political power, and without political power and its incentives, then there's no
16:12real incentive for any kind of societal censorship.
16:14In fact, it would be considered highly risky and dangerous.
16:18And if you get rid of censorship, then people can talk honestly about pros and cons.
16:22If things are privately owned, then you have to have the community's permission to be there.
16:27And also, when you have freedom of association, you don't have to hire or deal with anyone.
16:34And ostracism is what comes in to regulate society in the absence of political power, and ostracism is moral, while
16:42political power is immoral.
16:44Ostracism, which is simply not wanting to deal with people, is not a violation of the non-aggression principle.
16:49It is not a violation of the non-aggression principle for a woman to say no to a date.
16:53No woman has to date you, no man has to pay for dinner, or anything like that.
16:56So freedom of association is you cannot be compelled to provide resources or interact with anyone.
17:03And so, let's say that some terrible guy tries to move into a community.
17:08Not even immigration, right?
17:10Some guy, he's just a terrible criminal, he's a drug dealer, he's a rapist, whatever.
17:14Some terrible guy tries to come into a community.
17:17Well, where's he going to move?
17:19No one's going to rent to him, nobody's going to give him land.
17:22And if someone does rent to him, well, that's fine.
17:25Then maybe other people won't deliver electricity, or other people won't sell food to him, or other people won't let
17:30him drive on their roads, or whatever it is, right?
17:32Like you have, it's all privately owned, and there will be a whole system of checks and balances to make
17:38sure that reasonable ostracism is applied,
17:42but excessive ostracism, which then becomes counterproductive and also expensive.
17:47Is not applied.
17:48So you find the balance.
17:50It's a moving target, depending on social mores and technology and so on.
17:54So, but let's say somehow the guy is able to move into the community, and let's say that he's able
18:01to get electricity, get water, work on the roads, walk the sidewalk, drive the roads, and so on, and buy
18:08his food.
18:09Let's say all of that happens.
18:10Well, who's going to hire him?
18:12Who's going to hire him?
18:13And even if somebody hires him, who's going to want to work with him?
18:16And so on.
18:16So there's just a huge amount of barriers to getting into a community that is privately owned without censorship and
18:22where you're not forced to interact with people.
18:25Because, you know, things like quotas and DEI is a violation of freedom of association because you're being forced to
18:30hire people, to promote people, to hit certain numbers, and so on, under consequence of investigations and massive fines, hundreds
18:37of millions of dollars, going bankrupt, and so on.
18:41So, how do you deal with immigration?
18:43No censorship, private ownership of property, and no forced association.
18:49And the other thing, too, is that if you invite someone into your community, then you have to vouch for
18:55them in general, right?
18:57I mean, sort of think of, to take a sort of silly example, you know, you think of somebody who
19:02wants to buy drugs, if the drugs are illegal, right?
19:07If you go to some drug dealer where it's illegal, and you bring a friend, right?
19:11Then the drug dealer is like, well, I don't know your friend.
19:13I don't want to deal with him.
19:14And you say, no, no, no, I vouch for him.
19:15No, he's a good guy.
19:16No, he's okay.
19:17And if this is like, then you would vouch for someone.
19:19And that's sort of a very negative example.
19:20But a positive example, of course, is something that I used to do many years ago, is give people references
19:27in the business world, right?
19:28So, somebody goes for a job, they give me as a reference, and somebody calls me up and says, how
19:33is this person to work for?
19:34What was their work ethic like?
19:35Did they have integrity?
19:36Why did they quit?
19:37Or why did they leave?
19:38And so on, right?
19:39And you give references, which is vouching for someone.
19:45And so, in a community, if there's no knowledge about someone, maybe somebody wants to move into the community, and
19:52their history is, for whatever reason, not known, then somebody would need to vouch for them.
19:57And that someone would say, I vouch for this person, which would be like cosigning a loan, right?
20:03If you have bad credit, but you can get someone with good credit to cosign your loan, then if they
20:09can't collect from you, because maybe you don't have the money at some point, they can go and collect from
20:13the person who cosigned.
20:14So, that would be vouching for someone.
20:16So, if you want someone to move into the community, you would vouch for them.
20:19And what that would mean is that if they did economic damage to the community, you would be responsible for
20:24restitution, right?
20:25So, if you bring someone into a community, and that person steals $1,000, and then leaves or flees, and
20:31for whatever reason can't be caught or leaves to go to some jungle in Venezuela, then if you vouch for
20:37that person, you would say, I will pay for any damages they cause.
20:43Because in a society where our history would be pretty well known, people would only hide their history usually for
20:51nefarious reasons, and so there could be reasons, could be reasonable reasons for all I know, right?
20:57But people would go to a location, some community, they had no history, but somebody would have to vouch for
21:07them.
21:07Now, if nobody was willing to vouch for them, and they had no history, that could be verified, then people
21:12probably would not want to deal with them, because there would be, you know, if you've got an apartment for
21:16rent in a reasonably attractive neighborhood, then you've got 10 people who want to move there, you're going to choose
21:22the person with a good credit history, no criminal history, and, you know, all of that sort of stuff, as
21:28opposed to some guy who comes off the street, you don't know who he is, you've got no history, you
21:31can't vet or verify, nobody's willing to vouch for him, you probably wouldn't want to rent to someone like that.
21:36So, unless, right, someone in the building says, oh, this is my brother-in-law, he's just come in from
21:42Venezuela, he doesn't have any history here, but I will co-sign his lease, well, maybe then you do it,
21:48right?
21:49If someone who is a good tenant says, this person will be a good tenant, that may be enough for
21:55you to lease to him or rent to him, and then, of course, if the guy steals the fridge and
22:01the stove and takes off in the middle of the night, then the person who pledged him, the person who
22:06vouched for him, would then be responsible for making good, for paying the bills, right?
22:11So, this is another way that this would occur, and if someone, like, let's say that there were charities around,
22:17and let's say somebody wanted to move to a community where there was a charity for the indigent and the,
22:21you know, the people who didn't cause their own disasters, right?
22:24I mean, you know, life happens, there's random stuff all over the place in life, so there's lots of people
22:29who end up in bad situations, and it wasn't in any foundational way their fault, whatever, right?
22:35I mean, somebody has some degenerative brain disorder, and then they let their insurance lapse, and then they get sick,
22:42and, you know, there could be any number of things, any number of reasons why somebody might end up.
22:46I don't think there'd be many, but there'd be some.
22:48So, let's say there's a charity that helps people who can't pay their bills for whatever reason, and somebody invites
22:53the Venezuelan guy into the community, and then the Venezuelan guy, you know, has a job for a week, and
23:00then immediately starts applying for charity and gets charity and whatever it is.
23:05The person who vouched for him would be responsible for paying the charity back, which means that you wouldn't just
23:10get all of these people coming in and getting things for, quote, free.
23:17It's a very different matter than what's going on with this as a whole, currently.
23:21And the other thing, of course, is if somebody vouches for someone, right, say, oh, yeah, this guy's a great
23:28guy, he should totally join our community,
23:29then they would not just have to vouch for them in terms of money and self-sufficiency, but they would
23:38have to vouch for them in terms of criminality.
23:43So, to take an extreme example, if someone says, oh, Bob from Venezuela should totally join this community, and then
23:51Bob comes in and kills someone,
23:54then charges, maybe lesser, but certainly not zero, charges would then be laid against the person who vouched for them.
24:04And that would make sure that people couldn't just invite people in, be paid, right?
24:11Let's say, because you could always bribe someone to vouch for you, right?
24:13So, if you invite someone in and he kills someone in the community, then you would be charged as an
24:20accessory to murder,
24:21because you invited the person in and you vouched for them.
24:24And, again, assuming that the person didn't just have some brain disease or brain cancer or something and just lost
24:29their reason, for whatever reason, right?
24:31So, you would then be liable.
24:33If the person was an economic burden, you would then be liable for that economic burden.
24:37If somebody became a criminal and you vouched for them, and only for a certain amount of time, right?
24:42Whatever it is, a year, maybe two, maybe three.
24:44But if you invited, if you vouched for someone, that person became a criminal, then you would be charged as
24:49an accessory to that crime,
24:50because you would be like the getaway driver to a bank robbery.
24:52You didn't rob the bank, but the bank got robbed because you were willing to drive away.
24:57If you bring someone in who turns out to be a murderer, you didn't kill the person, but the person
25:02died because you vouched for the guy.
25:05So, yeah, moving from one place to another, of course, is not a violation of the non-aggression principle.
25:10Censorship is a violation of the non-aggression principle.
25:14Also, forced association is a violation of the non-aggression principle.
25:19And the problem of the commons, which is where land is politically controlled but not directly owned,
25:25is also a violation of the non-aggression principle.
25:27And so, modern immigration and the problems there, too, are the results of political power,
25:35forced association, censorship, and the non-ownership, which is to say the public ownership of property.
25:41And so, the solution, as always, is always, always, always more freedom.
25:48I hope this helps.
25:49Love to hear your thoughts.
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25:54And love you guys for these questions.
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