Mike Repole Joins the TDN Writers' Room

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Mike Repole joined this week's TDN Writers' Room presented by Keeneland to discuss his criticisms of industry leaders and the future of the sport, as well as his Kentucky Derby contender Renegade and Oaks filly Zany. Plus, the Writers' Room team discussed White Abarrio's win in the GII Oaklawn Handicap, the news of his ownership group's lawsuit, and also the $10.5 million OBS 2-year-old.

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00:00:18Welcome to the TDN Writer's Room.

00:00:20My name is Bill Finley.

00:00:21I'm a correspondent for the Thoroughbred Daily News.

00:00:23Even though after all these years, I have no title, it still kind of bugs me to this

00:00:28day.

00:00:29But having said that, I also work on the Down the Stretch radio show with Dave Johnson.

00:00:34Tune us in every Saturday on Channel 85 Sirius XM at 10 a.m.

00:00:39Eastern Time.

00:00:41Hi, I'm Randy Moss with NBC Sports.

00:00:43Do any of us have a title?

00:00:44You're Mr. Bill Finley.

00:00:47That's my title.

00:00:48I'm Mr. Randy Moss, NBC Sports and the Buyer's Speed Figure team.

00:00:53I am Ms. Zoe Catman.

00:00:55Who needs a title?

00:00:56I mean, seriously, Bill.

00:00:57Well, we can give you one.

00:00:59You might not like it, but we can certainly give you a title.

00:01:02The thing is, I may be the only person at the TDN that doesn't have a title.

00:01:06They have the assistant editors, the executive editors.

00:01:10How about TDN Writer's Room Host?

00:01:14There you go.

00:01:15Okay.

00:01:15All right.

00:01:16Thank you, Randy.

00:01:17I'm going to say that from here on in.

00:01:18My title is this.

00:01:20Okay.

00:01:20Please do.

00:01:20I'm Zoe Catman with First Racing and First TV with no title, and I'm good with that.

00:01:26All right.

00:01:27We woke up this morning, and we thought we'd have kind of a quiet show, and then a bombshell

00:01:34entered all our email boxes this morning.

00:01:37And since this show is going to play several hours after we are recording it on Tuesday

00:01:45late afternoon, you already will know all about the fact that basically Churchill Downs

00:01:50acquired the intellectual property rights to the Preakness from the Stornick Group for

00:01:56$85 million.

00:01:57Churchill will license the rights to the Preakness back to the Maryland Jockey Club for an annual

00:02:03fee.

00:02:03I have a lot of questions.

00:02:05There's a lot of things I don't quite understand about this, but what I do understand is that

00:02:10this looks like a massive power play on Churchill Downs' behalf, and they now essentially, it's

00:02:17kind of complicated because Maryland figures into this still.

00:02:20It's not like they've taken the race away and moved it to Churchill Downs or something

00:02:24like that, but essentially, if they have the intellectual rights to it, they own two-thirds

00:02:29of the Triple Crown.

00:02:30And it really is that basic and that simple.

00:02:36And what does that mean for the Triple Crown going forward?

00:02:39They're in the driver's seat right now, and that could mean a lot of things.

00:02:43It could mean TV rights that they decide.

00:02:45It could mean the spacing of the Triple Crown.

00:02:47It could mean a lot of things.

00:02:49I wonder how much this was a power play against them.

00:02:52And Naira, like I said, some things I understand.

00:02:54I have some answers to some things.

00:02:56Some things I don't quite understand.

00:02:58Zoe, what did you read into this?

00:03:01I think it's a good thing.

00:03:03Honestly, it would be nice to see Churchill Downs care for two days of racing a year.

00:03:07So they'll have the Derby.

00:03:08They'll have the Preakness.

00:03:09It'll be awesome.

00:03:10It'll be great for NBC because I would assume, obviously, you hate to assume anything, that

00:03:17as NBC owns the rights to the Derby, hopefully they can re-up and get the rights to the Preakness

00:03:26as well.

00:03:27As far as moving the dates, I don't know, because I would imagine that New York could be steadfast in

00:03:32their opinion,

00:03:33that they want to keep it where it is if it doesn't help them with the TV rights for the

00:03:38Preakness.

00:03:39So that might be a roadblock there.

00:03:41I'm not sure if it would be or it wouldn't be.

00:03:43But my biggest question would be how much of a fee?

00:03:48Churchill doesn't do anything for free.

00:03:50You know, if you're a shareholder in Churchill Downs, you're obviously smelling the roses and you're making plenty of money

00:03:56because they are in the business of making money.

00:03:58I would love to know what the annual fee would be to lease it back to Maryland,

00:04:04because that's got to be quite substantial, I would imagine.

00:04:08Yeah.

00:04:09As an employee of NBC Sports, I can't obviously get into the TV component of this

00:04:15because there would be clearly some bias involved in it, not bias, and certainly the appearance of bias.

00:04:21But I think anybody looking at this from 35,000 feet can see the basics of this.

00:04:28Either Naira was going to control two-thirds of the Triple Crown

00:04:32or Churchill Downs was going to control two-thirds of the Triple Crown.

00:04:36And we've already seen that Naira is not only willing but desirous to put its own best interests

00:04:45in front of the overall health of the Triple Crown.

00:04:49In that Sports Business Daily article that just came out a week or two ago,

00:04:55which looks, smells, and tastes an awful lot like it was engineered by the New York Racing Association, by the

00:05:01way.

00:05:02Now, Naira pretty much put it out there that they were willing to move the Preakness from two weeks after

00:05:10the Kentucky Derby to three weeks.

00:05:13That provides less disruption to the New York Racing Association's stake schedule,

00:05:18which right now benefits from the current three races in five weeks setup.

00:05:23But as Churchill Downs knows, and anybody who really follows horse racing knows,

00:05:29moving the Preakness from two weeks after the Derby to three is not really moving the needle at all.

00:05:36Trainers don't want to run back in three weeks either.

00:05:39And yet, Churchill Downs recognizes this.

00:05:42And if Churchill Downs takes control of the Preakness, it also takes control of the undercard races.

00:05:49More spacing between the Derby and Preakness, Churchill Downs can work with Pimlico to strengthen the undercard races.

00:05:57And certainly, they have the wherewithal to do that with their current experience with their stake schedule

00:06:03and what they've done on the Derby undercard.

00:06:05And I think Churchill believes that they can really transform the Preakness undercard into something special.

00:06:12Hook it up with some of the Derby races and bonuses and maybe create a triple crown for three-year

00:06:17-old fillies and some other categories.

00:06:19And I think they think they can benefit from simulcast betting on these undercard races.

00:06:25They would certainly be stimulated because right now, the way it stands right now,

00:06:29not only does the Preakness suffer from the two-week gap and not getting the quality of horses that it

00:06:35could,

00:06:36the undercard races basically get the scraps and don't get all the top horses that run on the Derby undercard

00:06:43and on the Belmont undercard.

00:06:44And I think Churchill believes it can change that.

00:06:46It would be good for horse racing, I think, in my opinion.

00:06:49And I think Churchill Downs could certainly benefit from it.

00:06:52I think it would be a good thing.

00:06:53Well, one thing I just learned, Wall Street didn't react well to this.

00:06:57Churchill stock went down 2.2% today, which is a little bit of a surprise.

00:07:01But, Randy, I would agree with virtually everything you said here.

00:07:05And I think that this gives Churchill Downs the power.

00:07:10And I also think it's almost now a no-brainer that the Preakness, which we were all talking about even

00:07:17last week being up for grabs,

00:07:18and I wrote a column for the Thoroughbred Daily News that now belongs into the trash can

00:07:23because I anticipated that Fox was going to get the Preakness and all the ramifications that would mean for the

00:07:30industry.

00:07:31So don't read that.

00:07:32Never mind.

00:07:33Let me stress something, since you mentioned it.

00:07:37No matter what network has the Preakness,

00:07:39I think this could be beneficial for Churchill Downs to be operating the Preakness stakes.

00:07:46Would you rather have the government of the state of Maryland that has no experience at all in big horse

00:07:53race operations running the Preakness stakes,

00:07:56or would you rather have the people that run the Kentucky Derby running the Preakness?

00:08:00Oh, you totally agree.

00:08:01And the other thing, too, and people aren't going to like me saying this because there's a lot of people

00:08:06that don't like Churchill Downs for closing down Arlington,

00:08:08some of the other things.

00:08:10These are very smart people, and they've run a fabulously successful business.

00:08:14I think they're probably the smartest horse racing organization in the sport,

00:08:19and they wouldn't have put forward this $85 million if they absolutely didn't know what they were doing.

00:08:26And I do hope this means that they now feel that we've got the muscle, we're in charge,

00:08:32and that they will see to it that the gaps between the races are extended.

00:08:38They don't want a lousy Preakness if they're going to step in and pay all this money for it,

00:08:44and we're getting a lousy Preakness year after year, and it's only going to get worse as long as they

00:08:48only have two weeks in between the races.

00:08:51Randy, I will agree with you again, though.

00:08:52If their only ambition is to change it from two to three, it's not going to change a thing.

00:08:56It needs to be at least four.

00:08:59I'll solicit opinions from both of you on a couple of things that were unmentioned.

00:09:05Do we know, what about the revenue?

00:09:08Does Maryland Jockey Club still get all the money from the handle, from the seating charges, from the admissions?

00:09:15Does that go to Churchill?

00:09:16That's one thing that I didn't understand.

00:09:20And, again, there's so much things that come up.

00:09:23And here's another thing that I don't understand.

00:09:26And I think if I'm a Maryland taxpayer, I'm a little bit upset about this.

00:09:30The state of Maryland put up $400 million in bonds to rebuild Pemico and paid $48 million to buy Laurel

00:09:37off the Stronach Group.

00:09:39And now they're going to give away the single biggest asset by a mile that is part of Maryland racing.

00:09:46I don't think the state of Maryland played this very well.

00:09:50Well, I don't think they're going to be giving away anything, honestly.

00:09:53I mean, there's going to be money involved.

00:09:55Absolutely.

00:09:55I mean, the state of Maryland is going to be compensated.

00:09:59You know they're going to be compensated.

00:10:00But I don't know how much.

00:10:02I don't know the details of that either.

00:10:04Nobody knows the details.

00:10:05And I'm pretty sure we probably never will, to be honest.

00:10:11Well, interesting story.

00:10:12We'll see how this affects the Triple Crown going forward.

00:10:16Easy to predict, and I know Randy doesn't want to weigh in on this, but I think NBC is going

00:10:20to soon announce that they have the rights to the Preakness going forward.

00:10:24And certainly not a bad thing, Randy.

00:10:26I'm not just saying this because you're on the podcast.

00:10:28You guys do a great job.

00:10:29I'd love to see you guys retain the Preakness stakes.

00:10:33But a lot of questions that have yet to be answered, and we'll see what happens going forward.

00:10:38Well, questions were answered on the racetrack at Oakland Park on Saturday.

00:10:44White of Barrio, what a performance.

00:10:47I was on the Sovereignty bandwagon.

00:10:49And the people that weren't, I think, on the commentators on America's Best Racing on Fox, all four of them

00:10:56picked journalism to beat Sovereignty.

00:10:58I didn't think I was kind of surprised by that.

00:11:01But two things about White of Barrio.

00:11:04I think I underestimated him.

00:11:06I didn't think even on his best day he was able to beat Sovereignty or journalism.

00:11:12And this was his best day.

00:11:14And he put it together and beat them and beat them fairly handily.

00:11:19It's time to give this horse some credit, Randy Moss.

00:11:22He's awful damn good.

00:11:23Oh, yeah.

00:11:24He's, you know, when he's on his game, when he runs one of his A-level races.

00:11:29I mean, we saw in the Reader's Cup Classic when Rick Dutrow was training him, how well he ran then.

00:11:35And you can make the case, well, Zoe talked about this more than me.

00:11:38But, you know, I mean, we talked about last week, both of us did, about how weird the race was

00:11:46going to be

00:11:46because of the complete lack of early speed.

00:11:49And if you didn't believe us last week, when Sovereignty is setting the pace in the race, I mean, that

00:11:56is weird beyond comprehension.

00:11:58But he was fresh coming off a long layoff.

00:12:00There was no other speed in the race.

00:12:02I read Ortiz rode a masterful race on White of Barrio to go to the lead, a short lead going

00:12:07into the first turn.

00:12:08And then when he saw the other two ranging up outside of him, he eased back and track instead of

00:12:13being the hunted.

00:12:15And it paid off.

00:12:16Now, whether you think that Sovereignty didn't run his best race because of the change of running style,

00:12:23I guess you could make a case out of that.

00:12:27But it was nice, Zoe, to see all three horses fire in a race that had so much hype.

00:12:35We've seen it so often when it doesn't quite pan out.

00:12:38And that turned out to be just an exceptional horse race.

00:12:41It was a terrific race, an absolutely brilliant race and a Hall of Fame ride by Erad Ortiz.

00:12:48He initially thought that he probably was going to the lead.

00:12:52He was in the prime position to go to the lead.

00:12:55And when he floated everyone wide going into that first turn, that was just genius.

00:13:00Because they had the opportunity, if they wanted to, to tuck by and get behind him.

00:13:05But he's like, I'm just going to float you wide.

00:13:07And then if you want to go past me, you're going to have to go even wider.

00:13:11So he floated those two wide around the turn and then just eased over and dropped him behind them.

00:13:18They went 23.13, 47, 111, which was a fairly decent time, but not overly quick for really good horses.

00:13:28And Sovereignty did inherit the lead.

00:13:30And that's not how he wants to run.

00:13:32At the end of the day, he's kind of still a big baby.

00:13:34He's better stalking horses.

00:13:36And his worst races have been his debut.

00:13:40And then off the layoff, he won by, what, a neck or half a length last year down at Goldstream

00:13:46off of a layoff.

00:13:47If Bill Mott doesn't crank his horses first out, they kind of do it on their own.

00:13:51So not fully cranked, not the pace set up.

00:13:55Maybe Wider Barrier is going to beat them both anyway, because he won convincingly.

00:13:59It's not like he won by half a length.

00:14:01He won going away by two, barely, Arad barely even picked his whip up on him.

00:14:07It was a super confident ride by Arad, a good horse who's good or if not better than anyone on

00:14:14his best day.

00:14:14He's obviously had issues.

00:14:17The ownership groups has issues.

00:14:19They're suing everyone now.

00:14:21There's a whole cluster of all the things that have gone on with Wider Barrier through his whole career.

00:14:26If you look back to Wider Barrier, think of all the things he's had to overcome.

00:14:31Goes to Safi, has to get moved from Safi.

00:14:33Safi gets, you know, months suspension for something he didn't do.

00:14:39He goes to Rick Dutcher, he gets sore feet, he gets scratched from here, he gets scratched from there, he

00:14:44wins the Breeders' Cup.

00:14:45He's scratched again.

00:14:47This horse has gone through everything.

00:14:49He's just amazing.

00:14:50And he's by race day.

00:14:52Race day.

00:14:53What did he cost?

00:14:53Like 40 grand as a two-year-old at OBS.

00:14:56I think they sold him as a weanling for seven.

00:14:58By race day, out of an intermischief mare, which is key here.

00:15:02Intermischief, squarely the best stallion in the world.

00:15:04Because if he's got just a little bit of that bloodline in there, it's going to work.

00:15:08But race day, who the funk it?

00:15:10He's amazing.

00:15:11And one thing to say about Wider Barrier runs a 111 buyer speed figure again, which is huge.

00:15:17But one thing to say about sovereignty, he did not let journalism go by.

00:15:22And he was not going to let journalism go by.

00:15:25And he counts out in front of everybody.

00:15:28Yeah.

00:15:29Hey, Zoe, I want to ask you this question before we wrap up this segment.

00:15:34And you mentioned he's by race day.

00:15:37And that factors into the fact that he's still on the racetrack.

00:15:42If he were by Gunrunner or Intermischief or Quality Road or whatever, he would have been retired a long time

00:15:49ago.

00:15:49But nonetheless, you have a horse that's won the Breeders' Cup Classic, the Pegasus, the Florida Derby, the Whitney, the

00:15:54Oaklawn Handicap, the Holy Bull, and earned $8.4 million.

00:15:59Why can't he get a stud deal?

00:16:03And surely, before this year is over, they will come up with one.

00:16:08But what can these owners fairly expect from the breeding industry for this horse that they've obviously, the people in

00:16:18the know in Lexington, Kentucky, at the big farms, have obviously not shown much interest in this horse.

00:16:23Well, that's just it.

00:16:25I'm sure people have shown interest in him, maybe regional breeding programs around the country.

00:16:30I don't know what kind of money they want for him.

00:16:33So, you know, if you're trying to stand a horse by race day and you want $20 million or $10

00:16:40million or $5 million for your horse, people aren't going to give it to you.

00:16:44It depends on the number they want.

00:16:46I'm sure there are people that would stand him, maybe in a regional market, maybe in Kentucky.

00:16:52But it's up to the ownership group and the stud farm to agree on a price.

00:16:57And I'm not sure any price has ever been agreed.

00:17:00Well, we shall find out.

00:17:02All right.

00:17:03We're going to take a break.

00:17:04We're going to hear from our friends at Keeneland.

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00:19:05Fastest horse of the week, no surprise.

00:19:07He comes out of the Oakland handicap wide of Mario, as we mentioned, with that strong 111 buyer speed figure.

00:19:15He had previously run a career best of $110,000 and had also run a $109,000 buyer.

00:19:22So, more evidence that when Wyatt Abario is at his very, very best, he puts in some strong performances by

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00:19:30Our horse of the week, fastest horse of the week, Wyatt Abario.

00:19:38Welcome in the Gainesway Guest of the Week.

00:19:40A man that absolutely needs no introduction to people who follow horse racing.

00:19:45It's Mike Rapoli.

00:19:46And, Mike, last week we had Everett Dobson from the Jockey Club, the chairman on the podcast.

00:19:52And, predictably, you reached out to a couple of us and expressed a desire to come on to talk about

00:19:59what Mr. Dobson had to say and to get your side of the story out.

00:20:04Predictably, you had some things to say on Twitter that were not necessarily very kind to the Jockey Club.

00:20:11Matter of fact, I'll read one of them.

00:20:13Pheasant hunting stewards, hiding, deflecting, telling us everything is great.

00:20:20All right.

00:20:21So, you, in a text to me, said, go ahead and ask tough questions.

00:20:25And, I don't know how tough a question this is, but I think it's a place to start.

00:20:29What was it about Everett Dobson's appearance on our podcast and what he said that so disappointed you?

00:20:39Can I say hello to Zoe and Randy, or I'm not allowed to do that?

00:20:44You know, I am pretty polite.

00:20:46So, Randy, how are you doing?

00:20:47Zoe, how are you doing?

00:20:48Goodbye.

00:20:49Bill, that was a great question, and I want you to be as brutally tough on me as you can

00:20:54because I believe in transparency, and I believe in honesty, and it's not always what people want to hear, but

00:21:03it's, you know, there's no reason to continue to try to fool people.

00:21:08But I think the first thing, Bill, with your question was 95% of what me and him talk about

00:21:19we agree on, and me and the jockey club agree on.

00:21:23If that's true, then we have a major problem with execution and a major problem with getting shit done.

00:21:32If that's false, then you're just full of BS and stop lying to us.

00:21:39So, you know, anytime I've agreed with someone 95%, you have to find a solution, and I think I am

00:21:48willing to find a solution on how to move this game forward, and I don't really believe that they're attempting

00:21:53for any solution.

00:21:56So, as we mentioned to Dobson last week, and as you've made clear, you asked for a sit-down with

00:22:04a group of people on your side, with the jockey club board or stewards or executives, whatever, and you were

00:22:13rebuffed on your request.

00:22:15If you were to get a sit-down, and if the jockey club were to listen, and if the jockey

00:22:22club were to seriously consider what you bring to the table, you're a businessman.

00:22:28You know you're not going to get everything you want.

00:22:30What would be the things that would satisfy you, your requests, if the jockey club were to grant them?

00:22:39So, Randy, I want to, I mean, the message went through lawyers, but it was not threatening at all.

00:22:45It's like, what if we got the entire board of stewards, and then I brought in some expertise, like Pat

00:22:51Cummings, Aaron Wellman, two or three breeding farms, you know, that have big influence in the game, some of the

00:22:57biggest track owners or operators, some people from political, some people from aftercare, some people that know gambling and horse

00:23:06players.

00:23:06It's like, all I wanted to do was get a bunch of industry experts.

00:23:10You have 12 stewards, I'll have 12, and let's just lock each other in a room for 24 hours, maybe

00:23:16two days, and just talk about what's working, what's not working, and what can we do to make it better?

00:23:21In the most non-threatening way.

00:23:24And I was, it was rebuffed to, you know what, Mr. Rapoli, Mr. Dobson would meet with Mr. Rapoli if

00:23:33he had the exact agenda, this is how it would be, and maybe there'd be somebody, a third party to

00:23:39listen in, but not the rest of the stewards and no other people.

00:23:43So, to me, that's not showing that you're looking to move the game forward.

00:23:49Randy, Zoe, and Bill, you know, I don't want to be pessimistic or negative on the game, but you have

00:23:58to be honest.

00:23:58I don't really see anything that is really working in this game, from full crop, to racing, to HISA, to

00:24:08aftercare, to the sales, to the SAFE Act, to CAWs, to the horse players, to the tracks.

00:24:20Like, horse racing is a sport that people are so passionate about and people love so much.

00:24:27Like this, Mike, like Rapoli, when I was a 13-year-old kid and fell in love with this game,

00:24:32that I'm willing to make excuses for it and I'm willing to look away to a certain amount.

00:24:38In 20 years as an owner, I haven't recruited anybody, hey, get into horse racing, spend $5 million, it's great.

00:24:46I don't.

00:24:47I bring 75 people to the track and I won't even let them pay because I want to make sure

00:24:52they have a great experience, right?

00:24:55And I don't believe in the product or the systems and process that are going on in racing, but if

00:25:01I want to spend $25 million a year, it's my money.

00:25:04And I think that there's a lot of people like that.

00:25:07But then there are people that, A, when they put money in, they actually need it or they want to

00:25:12bring people in.

00:25:13And then there are people that make a livelihood here, that have wife, kids, husbands, grandkids, that need horse racing

00:25:24to feed their families.

00:25:25And it's their livelihoods.

00:25:27And we have killed so many dreams of small breeders, small owners.

00:25:32We've scared people away from the game.

00:25:35And it's just so nasty, mean, and cruel.

00:25:41Every track that closes, fall crops that go from $30,000 to $15,000.

00:25:47It's come about, and you guys know this, 95% of the people are not happy with this game.

00:25:54And, you know, when I talk to Todd Pletcher or I talk to the six people that work for me,

00:25:59it's not fun anymore.

00:26:01I got the favorite in the Derby and the favorite in the Oaks.

00:26:05And it's just Wednesday today.

00:26:07You know, there's no, you know, the question is, are the vets going to scratch me again?

00:26:13That's the fucking thought process.

00:26:14Like, it's sad.

00:26:16You know, my family's kind of excited.

00:26:18They got the hat, the dresses, 75 people.

00:26:20My assistant's making reservations.

00:26:22And I'm like, yeah, you know what?

00:26:25Yeah, I'll be there.

00:26:26So, Mike.

00:26:27And that's it.

00:26:29We'll get to the Derby and the Oaks in a moment, but let's get back to the Jockey Club.

00:26:33So, let's say, hypothetically speaking, if the Jockey Club was to come to you and say,

00:26:40hey, Mike, why don't we work together?

00:26:43And why don't you do A, B, C, we'll do D, E, and H?

00:26:50It's not the way the alphabet goes, but it's how my brain's working right now.

00:26:54Would you be on board with that?

00:26:57Or is it all Mike and all Jockey Club?

00:27:00The two can't work together.

00:27:02I mean, just say they came to you.

00:27:03You've already done a great job with the safe act.

00:27:05And we'll get to that in just a moment, by the way.

00:27:07Well done.

00:27:08That's brilliant.

00:27:09But if they said to you, Mike, you get shit done.

00:27:13Can you get this done?

00:27:14Here's A, B.

00:27:16Can you do it?

00:27:16Would you be willing to work with the Jockey Club and do A and B?

00:27:20Or do you just want to take over?

00:27:23No.

00:27:24Zoe, I'm going to make this perfectly clear.

00:27:26Okay.

00:27:26I have 5 million things to do.

00:27:29From Noble to the UFL, to my family, to my real estate, to my foundation.

00:27:37I have no interest in being the commissioner of racing.

00:27:41I have no interest in doing this with even more than 5% of my time.

00:27:46I am out here to move the game forward.

00:27:49So what do you do?

00:27:50I mean, do you help the Jockey Club, or do you just abolish the Jockey Club?

00:27:54I, you know, Zoe, 100%.

00:27:59You have to start over.

00:28:01And the first thing that happens is the Jockey Club wants to hide behind this not-for-profit.

00:28:07Like they're Boy Scouts or they're volunteers, or they're like, oh, my God, they're paid volunteers.

00:28:12They give up their time.

00:28:15Stop trying to fool us.

00:28:17I don't understand why they need to own businesses under their not-for-profit.

00:28:23Why do they need to own, you know, Owner's View, Blood Horse, Equibase.

00:28:27They should be a breed registry only.

00:28:31And then entrepreneurs like Mike Rapoli and others, those businesses should go to other people.

00:28:38We shouldn't have to pay for our data.

00:28:40We shouldn't have to pay for our horse data.

00:28:42Or it doesn't make sense.

00:28:44Every other sport, the data's free.

00:28:47And there are two people in the Jockey Club.

00:28:49One owns a hockey team, and one owns an NBA team.

00:28:52We have the data is free.

00:28:53And it's shared, and it's grown.

00:28:55And smart people, smarter than Mike Rapoli, and a lot smarter than the stewards of the Jockey Club,

00:29:01can do things innovative, creatively, create, and do things that work for today's consumer and can grow the game.

00:29:09Equibase has not grown in this game.

00:29:11Okay?

00:29:13ABR is not growing this game.

00:29:15Okay?

00:29:16And that has to be done.

00:29:20And if this can get in the hands of individuals that want to grow this game, that's how innovation starts.

00:29:28Innovation has died in this game 25, 30 years ago.

00:29:32This society moves what used to take a decade now takes two years to be out.

00:29:41You're in and you're out so quick.

00:29:44One TikTok video, one Instagram video, you're hot today, gone tomorrow.

00:29:50Racing is a dinosaur.

00:29:52And it's extinct now.

00:29:54It's just dying slowly.

00:29:57And it needs a fresh blood into it.

00:30:02And it needs, like, I started a football, I became a co-owner of this football league that was down

00:30:10for four straight years.

00:30:12We're up 32% in the first eight months.

00:30:15What the hell do I know about being an owner of a football league?

00:30:18Never mind.

00:30:19But you know what?

00:30:20I made a field goal, four points over 60 yards.

00:30:24Randy, you like football?

00:30:25Interesting.

00:30:26No punts inside the 50.

00:30:28Wow.

00:30:28More scoring.

00:30:29Hey, the kickoff goes a little bit further back so we get better returns.

00:30:33Interesting.

00:30:34I put teams in Columbus, Birmingham, Columbus, Louisville, and Orlando.

00:30:37New markets.

00:30:38I put them inside soccer stadiums.

00:30:40So instead of being in 80,000-seat arenas that only have 10,000 people, they're in the Lane family

00:30:49center in Louisville that fits 15.

00:30:51And when 10,000 people show up, it looks packed.

00:30:54Ratings are up 32%.

00:30:56We had a million viewers for two football games back-to-back.

00:31:00Nobody can name a player or knew the team.

00:31:03You know what the Breeders' Cup Classic had?

00:31:05Last year, one million viewers.

00:31:08That should have 10 million viewers with fierceness, mind frame, forever young, Sierra Leone.

00:31:13But you know what?

00:31:14We have it on Saturday while people are watching Alabama and LSU and Ohio State-Michigan.

00:31:20Where's the innovation?

00:31:21Where's the thought process?

00:31:23We get nothing from the Breeders' Cup.

00:31:24We get nothing from the Jockey Club.

00:31:27And Heiser is accelerating the death of the sport.

00:31:29And that's the truth.

00:31:31Mike, we do want to get on to Renegade.

00:31:34But before we move on to Renegade and Zaney, one last question.

00:31:38And obviously, the SAFE Act is something that you already brought up.

00:31:44And Pat Cummings, as we know from his tweets and from something that I wrote, rolled up his sleeves, went

00:31:52to Washington the last couple weeks, and did the dirty work, did the work that needed to be done.

00:31:57And he came away from there very enthusiastic about the SAFE Act becoming a law.

00:32:03So, two-part question.

00:32:05First of all, the SAFE Act just bears repeating.

00:32:09That would be an act that would, among other things, prohibit the transportation of horses to Canada and Mexico for

00:32:16slaughter.

00:32:16And if it passes, that's the end of horse slaughter.

00:32:19It's just there's no avenue to take these horses anywhere.

00:32:22So, my question, well, first of all, I want to commend you for doing this work.

00:32:30It was important.

00:32:31But two-part question.

00:32:33How much more confident or how confident are you now that the SAFE Act is going to be passed?

00:32:40And you're not a guy who's shy about saying when others failed, did other parts and important parts of this

00:32:48industry fail to do the right work to get this done?

00:32:52And what did you think about the three organizations that put out, oh, we're in favor of the SAFE Act,

00:32:58at the same time, your guys in Washington, D.C., doing what maybe these organizations or other people in racing

00:33:07have failed to do over the years?

00:33:10Great question, Bill.

00:33:11I mean, some people just know me now through Twitter, which is pretty funny, by the way.

00:33:17Um, um, there's no one that uses the X.

00:33:21It's X, by the way.

00:33:22It's not even Twitter.

00:33:22So, no one uses X more strategically than me.

00:33:25I mean, so there's things that I put out there that I want people to know.

00:33:29And then there's things behind the scenes.

00:33:31You know, whether it's a major track operator, an aftercare alliance that we have, or CAW conversations that we have

00:33:40that we don't put out there.

00:33:42This is something we've been working on since the beginning of January, when we heard all the noise and thought

00:33:51that people were actually trying to move this right in the right direction.

00:33:59Once I found out that there was no moving in the right direction, I actually didn't want to publicize it.

00:34:05I didn't want to say anything.

00:34:07So, Pat and I, we hired Chris Hyde, who I think has been on your show.

00:34:12I fund everything 100%, by the way.

00:34:15I send Pat down there, like, you know, with, you know, sunglasses so no one recognizes him.

00:34:20We have all these meetings and meet with this congressman, meet that, and everything.

00:34:25He's been down there multiple times.

00:34:27I think it's, is it, is it, is it, is it Andy Barr?

00:34:31I'm trying to, I don't want to make sure.

00:34:32Andy Barr.

00:34:33Andy Barr, who's actually running for Senate.

00:34:35Pat has had numerous meetings with him, and he's been incredible.

00:34:39But I think what's happened was, and we would have never said anything.

00:34:43Okay, we're down the line on this.

00:34:44Last week, three entities, I don't know where, left field.

00:34:49To me, they got word that Rapoli and Pat Cummings are working on this behind the scenes, and they're making

00:34:54progress.

00:34:54So, hey, jump in here, jump in here, jump in here, which is comical.

00:35:00All three of them, like, one, Wednesday, Tuesday.

00:35:03Like, you're a joke, you're a joke, you're a joke.

00:35:05I haven't said anything in 20 years.

00:35:06No problem.

00:35:07So, they have to act like they're in.

00:35:09Just so you know, we've spoken to a bunch of people.

00:35:13So, no one's ever really come down there and spoke to them about them.

00:35:16No one's been down to D.C.

00:35:17No one from the Jockey Club is involved here.

00:35:20Nobody from the Breeders' Cup has done shit about this.

00:35:22Absolutely none.

00:35:23They just tell you that they're doing it, and they're on top of it, and it's all optics.

00:35:27The whole thing is a house of cards of optics.

00:35:30That's all it is.

00:35:32So, privately and secretly, we wanted to move this.

00:35:35We didn't need.

00:35:36We're out here to help horses.

00:35:38We're out here to help the industry.

00:35:40So, I really believe it can be done.

00:35:45And like I said, Heist is focused on fatalities at the racetrack.

00:35:49That we decided to decide if horse racing safety and integrity was just based on fatalities versus all the other

00:35:59good things you can do in the backstretch with the horses, with the people that work for the aftercare system.

00:36:07There are a lot more horses that are dying in this country, maybe 30 times more, through horse slaughter than

00:36:14on the racetrack.

00:36:15And you know what?

00:36:18But they're only worried about optics.

00:36:20They're only worried about the 100 horses that get injured at the racetrack.

00:36:24And they want to highlight that.

00:36:28They want to scare you into this is the right thing.

00:36:32Heist has not made an ounce of difference.

00:36:36I mean, maybe you get more vet scratches.

00:36:38Maybe you get more horses to new locations and aftercare.

00:36:43It's so subjective where one vet.

00:36:46You know, five vets can look at the horse and one guy can say, no go.

00:36:51And you got trainers like Bill Mott, Todd Pletcher, Chad Brown, Bob Baffert that are with these horses like, hey,

00:36:57not everybody has the same type of walk.

00:37:00Not everybody.

00:37:00What do you call it?

00:37:01I mean, I mean, in sports, there's you.

00:37:05You have bumps and bruises.

00:37:07So for a horse to be actually pretty funny.

00:37:09Look who's calling me.

00:37:10My friend.

00:37:14My nephew.

00:37:14I always call my nephew.

00:37:15So like it's it's it's it's like the wider burial situation.

00:37:21You know, he looked pretty healthy when he ran by ran by just ran by sovereignty and journalism the other

00:37:30day.

00:37:30Right.

00:37:30I mean, that's going to be, you know, that's going to be a big case.

00:37:33And I don't know.

00:37:35It looks pretty good pretty, you know, right now.

00:37:37Right.

00:37:37All right.

00:37:38So speaking of Ired Ortiz and we could talk to you for two hours about the state of horse racing

00:37:42and all that.

00:37:43But you've got the freaking favorite for the Kentucky Derby and Renegade.

00:37:46And I'm going to guess that one reason why you may not be as gung ho and excited right now

00:37:52is because you've been through Uncle Mo.

00:37:54You've been through Forte.

00:37:56It's like Charlie Brown with the football being pulled out away from him at the last minute.

00:38:00So how are you feeling right now with Renegade?

00:38:04You got to be excited.

00:38:05You can't tell us you're not.

00:38:06You know what?

00:38:08I am excited.

00:38:09And I'm not as excited about the sport.

00:38:13But how can I not be excited about this horse?

00:38:16I have to be.

00:38:18And, yes, I've been – Lucy has fooled me a bunch of times.

00:38:24And me being Charlie Brown, I've gone for it every time.

00:38:28And, you know, I think my best chances of ever – I'm 0 for 8 with three scratches.

00:38:35So that means I got a 33% chance of even running the race.

00:38:39But honestly, I think my three best chances ever were Uncle Mo, raw talent.

00:38:47Was Forte undefeated.

00:38:51And then if you guys remember, I don't know if you remember who won the derby that year.

00:38:55It was Meij and Forte beat him twice.

00:38:56So that one hurt a little bit.

00:38:58And then he came back on a 10-week rest because he won the Florida Derby and ran second in

00:39:04the Belmont.

00:39:04And if that Archangelo doesn't get inside – gets through on the rail, we'd probably win the race, by the

00:39:12way.

00:39:13And then Fierceness, who had no excuse.

00:39:16But those were our best chances.

00:39:18I think Renegade is right up there.

00:39:20This is a horse that's intermissive with a curling mare.

00:39:25So you got the speed of being in the game early, the curling stamina.

00:39:31He looks wonderful.

00:39:32He's training incredible.

00:39:34Now I'm going to get more anxiety talking about this.

00:39:36I'm trying to look the other way.

00:39:38And he's only going to get better with more distance.

00:39:40And when he comes home, you know, at his 16th and under 6 seconds or comes home at the last

00:39:468th and under 12, that big Churchill stretch is going to look awfully good if Irad can just get him

00:39:56outside in 5th or 6th or 7th place and good luck, you know, down that last quarter of a mile.

00:40:01So, yeah, you get excited by that.

00:40:03So was there ever any doubt that your nephew, Irad or Tees, would pick, further ado, over Renegade?

00:40:11I mean, I would have taken him out of the will.

00:40:14I mean, come on.

00:40:16You know, I mean, 40 years from now, it would have cost him and his kids and his grandkids a

00:40:21lot of money.

00:40:22So, you know what?

00:40:23And Zoe, it's a great question.

00:40:25Listen, these agents and the jockeys.

00:40:28I love Irad.

00:40:29I love Johnny.

00:40:30I love a lot of jockeys.

00:40:32But even Todd Pletcher and I, I want Todd Pletcher and Irad Ortiz to win the Kentucky Derby or Johnny

00:40:40Velasquez more than me.

00:40:42This is their livelihood.

00:40:43This is what they do.

00:40:44This is what their legacy is about.

00:40:47My legacy is about building businesses and selling them and my family and things like that.

00:40:51So if Todd Pletcher has a horse or two that are better than my horse, you make sure you put

00:40:57the best jockey on their horses before mine.

00:41:00And with Irad, I would never be upset if he went on a horse that he thought could win more.

00:41:05Not for this race.

00:41:07You just can't.

00:41:08It's not fair to them.

00:41:09Like, I would never.

00:41:11I'm positive, man.

00:41:12I, it's like, I, I'm the most competitive person in the world, but I root for people and I, I've

00:41:18won enough in my life.

00:41:19Like I, I can go over 25 in the Derby and I'll be, I'll be fine in life.

00:41:24Mike, not to suggest that there's anything wrong with Renegade, but, uh, do you, are you going to be, be

00:41:29spooked at the time the vet comes to check the horse?

00:41:33Knowing that, you know, sometimes they just don't seem to like your horses for whatever reason.

00:41:39You almost said they don't like you.

00:41:41You almost looked out there, right?

00:41:46You did a good job there, but man, that was quick, but you know, cause I'm wondering if they just

00:41:55don't like me.

00:41:55You're right.

00:41:56Um, you know what?

00:41:58I, I almost think I told Todd this, I said, there's no way they can scratch us now.

00:42:03You know why?

00:42:04Everyone's going to think that's a conspiracy.

00:42:06They have to pass them.

00:42:07We got a great shot of running now.

00:42:09I'm using reverse psychology.

00:42:11We're definitely in right now.

00:42:12And the more I talk about most likely we'll be scratched.

00:42:15The more they're going to have to just run them, you know, but listen, listen, if you ever want to

00:42:20nitpick on every horse,

00:42:23Zoe, you probably been in the backstretch a lot.

00:42:25They'll like, you can, you can scratch.

00:42:27It's Hey, in basketball, is it an offensive charge or is it defensive foul?

00:42:31Now, is it holding in the NFL or is it UFL?

00:42:33You know, like you can always say it's so it's subjective.

00:42:37Is it subjective as you want to be?

00:42:39Right.

00:42:40So, um, I can't worry about that.

00:42:43And by the way, I've been there so many times.

00:42:45I'm almost immune to it.

00:42:46Like, what do you, I mean, you know, the joke right now is, you know, there's no way they're going

00:42:51to let Rapoli run the favorite.

00:42:54So you got Zany.

00:42:55How's Zany doing?

00:42:57She's well, first of all, she's bigger than Renegade and he's huge.

00:43:00I mean, he's a, he's, she's so big, man.

00:43:04I mean, Zoe, I go to the sales and, and I, you know, from one to 10, I, you know,

00:43:09I have experts, including Todd Pletcher that know there are nine and tens on confirmation and pedigree.

00:43:15And I got such a great team.

00:43:18And I saw Zany at TaylorMade in, in, uh, Fazek Saratoga.

00:43:27I've only bought one American, American pharaoh in my life.

00:43:30And it was Zany.

00:43:31Okay.

00:43:32The horse comes out, the horse comes out.

00:43:35And I love this horse.

00:43:37Like, like, this is a big, beautiful horse.

00:43:42I, I, I fell in love with this horse.

00:43:45And five minutes later, I found that it was a Philly, not a colt.

00:43:49So I'm thinking, as I'm looking at this horse, this is a colt.

00:43:53This is a colt.

00:43:54It happened to me one other time in my life.

00:43:58I had a street sense horse named unlimited budget.

00:44:02And I thought when she came out of, um, uh, um, Oh, Oh, Farrell's born.

00:44:09That's where I bought it.

00:44:10I thought she was a colt.

00:44:12She looked like she was huge and Zany too.

00:44:15So we paid three 50 for an American pharaoh.

00:44:18I never bought one before.

00:44:19I probably never will again.

00:44:20And it turned out to be Zany.

00:44:22And you know what the beautiful part is uncle Mo, man.

00:44:24And I think that's pretty cool.

00:44:26An American pharaoh on top of an uncle Mo, man.

00:44:28Who named her?

00:44:29Who named her?

00:44:30Well, I mean, do you know any Zany means crazy.

00:44:33So do you know anybody else that's crazy on, on, on this call out of us three?

00:44:36I mean, I mean, what do you think renegade?

00:44:38You know, anybody who's a renegade on this call between, I mean, if you put them together,

00:44:42it's crazy renegade.

00:44:43I mean, come on.

00:44:44And that they're both at that.

00:44:46They're both the favorites here.

00:44:47I mean, you know, you know, someone's playing a funny trick on all of us.

00:44:50Right.

00:44:51I mean, we've got a crazy renegade in the race.

00:44:53How about disruptor?

00:44:55Can't mention.

00:44:56I mean, we can't talk to you without talking about disruptor.

00:45:00I mean, come on.

00:45:01Where's he going to run?

00:45:02I mean, I'm telling you right now, he is training so good.

00:45:08And he's so talented right now.

00:45:11Oaks day or derby day?

00:45:13It's going to be Alisheba or the Churchill Downs seven furlongs, right?

00:45:17Yeah.

00:45:18So if I said Todd wanted to be in the Alisheba and I wanted to be in the Churchill Downs,

00:45:24which race do you think he'll run?

00:45:25Todd.

00:45:28Churchill Downs.

00:45:28Now, I mean, I mean, listen, we're both debating it.

00:45:32Like he wanted six, seven furlongs is maiden.

00:45:34He wanted seven furlongs when he came back and then he won the challenger.

00:45:37And then there is one of the allowance.

00:45:39But this horse right now, I think that there's going to be a lot of speed in the Churchill

00:45:44mile, Churchill sprint.

00:45:46I mean, Knightsbridge is going to be the favorite, probably four to five to six to five in that

00:45:50range.

00:45:51There's a lot of speed in the race.

00:45:53He's won at Gulfstream three, four times in a row.

00:45:56This is a new track, a new service, 150,000 fans.

00:46:01Speed is going to be in the race.

00:46:04He's, I mean, I have a horse named BU who's my B-list sprinter.

00:46:09He lost to him in an other than allowance by two and three quarter lengths.

00:46:12So I think I want to go disruptor versus him.

00:46:15We won the Alisheba last year with fierceness.

00:46:17We, we won the Churchill race with, with mind frame and Grande got scratched in the derby.

00:46:24So probably maybe the same thing will happen this year and stuff.

00:46:27I went to races and get scratched, but who knows, you know?

00:46:30All right.

00:46:31Well, Mike, as usual, you deliver, no one will ever accuse you of being boring.

00:46:36We'll give you that much.

00:46:38And, and seriously, the stuff you're doing with the safe act is tremendous.

00:46:43And we're glad to let you voice your objections about the things that are going wrong in, in horse racing.

00:46:52And I think a lot of people respect the fact, I know I do, that you care so much about

00:46:57this game.

00:46:58So thanks so much for being our guest and good luck.

00:47:03Bill, Randy, and Zoe, I just want to say one last thing.

00:47:05I mean, I've, I've been in this for four years now, Bill knows this and, and the NTA started almost

00:47:12three years ago.

00:47:15I've had eclipse award winners.

00:47:18I'm in the big races.

00:47:19Every time I've won some of the biggest race in the last four years, I'm not doing this for micropoli.

00:47:24Okay.

00:47:24I'm doing this for the future.

00:47:26Um, I'm, I'm winning at a high level and many of the stewards are winning at a high level.

00:47:31I would rather have more competition and lose once in a while and have others win and have others enjoy

00:47:37that opportunity of being in the winner's circle and this great game that we're part of.

00:47:41So I want to be very clear.

00:47:42This is not about ego.

00:47:44I, I, it takes a prime money and really is frustrating.

00:47:48And I'm doing this for the, you know, my daughter and everybody that's 40 and under that needs this game

00:47:57to make a living.

00:47:58And the kids that come up to me that love racing and that's it.

00:48:02I mean, I just want to fix this game and I want to get in the room with the powers

00:48:06to be and, and just get it fixed.

00:48:08But you really need to actually want to fix this game.

00:48:13And I wish people would just look at results and not style.

00:48:17Um, I'm, this is not figure skating.

00:48:19Okay.

00:48:20I'm not going to win on style points.

00:48:21I'm sorry, but on execution and results, I'm going to win every time.

00:48:25And I need the, we need this sport now needs execution results.

00:48:28Appreciate you guys giving the jockey club a voice, me a voice and others a voice.

00:48:34The one thing that I think has happened over the last three years is that more people pro or for

00:48:39are being vocal.

00:48:40More people are coming out and more people are not afraid.

00:48:43They're going to get blackballed or blacklisted or never get a job in the industry again.

00:48:47And you know what?

00:48:48If I think that's a great thing and more people should voice their opinion.

00:48:52I appreciate you guys.

00:48:53Give me the opportunity.

00:48:54And I just want to add one more thing.

00:48:55You only use three profanities.

00:48:57I had set the over under at eight and a half.

00:48:59So you were on your best behavior, Mike.

00:49:02That's fucking great.

00:49:06All right.

00:49:07All right.

00:49:07It's fine.

00:49:08I'm going to go before it goes over.

00:49:09All right.

00:49:10Mike, once again, all seriousness.

00:49:12Thanks so much for being our Gainesway guest of the week.

00:49:14I'm sure.

00:49:15Best of luck in the Kentucky Derby with Renegade.

00:49:17And let's hope they don't spare your horse.

00:49:20Thanks guys.

00:49:21I appreciate it.

00:49:22Take care.

00:49:22Bye.

00:49:24Our guest of the week, Mike Rapoli, came to you courtesy of Gainesway Farm, home to the

00:49:27stallion McKenzie.

00:49:29McKenzie's eight two-year-olds that sold at the OBS April sale averaged $236,250, topped

00:49:37by a $900,000 filly who breezed in nine and three, who sold to Donato Lanny on behalf of Charles

00:49:46and Susan Chu of their Bioma Corporation.

00:49:50My racehorse also went to $425,000 for a colt offered by Sequel Bloodstock, who breezed in ten and one.

00:49:57McKenzie stands at Gainesway for a fee of $75,000.

00:50:02McKenzie in a dominant performance.

00:50:12A million two, a million two, a million two, right there, a million two hundred thousand.

00:50:16Baeza gets his moment in the sun in the Pennsylvania Derby.

00:50:19Chancer McPatrick wins the champagne impressively.

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00:51:09A huge win for a Pennsylvania bred out at Santa Anita on Sunday.

00:51:13Very impressive.

00:51:14Simply joking.

00:51:16The four-year-old filly strolled home as much the best in the grade three Santa Maria stakes.

00:51:21She won by six and three quarters lengths.

00:51:24Her first win since last year at the fairgrounds.

00:51:27And her first graded stakes ever.

00:51:30Congratulations to Simply Joking's connections, the winning breeder, Barlar LLC, and her owners,

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00:51:48visit www.pabread.com or call Brian Sanfratello at 610-444-1050.

00:51:56And we want to thank Mike Ropoli for appearing as our Gainsway Guest of the Week.

00:52:00Mike, all is interesting.

00:52:01In our first segment, we were talking about White Iberio's win in the Oakland Handicap,

00:52:06and he was in the news for more than just that during the week.

00:52:09The owners of White Iberio came out and sued the California Horse Racing Board,

00:52:14the Breeders' Cup, and Del Mar over the fact that they scratched the horse

00:52:19prior to the 2025 Breeders' Cup dirt mile, and obviously didn't let him run.

00:52:25And not only scratched him, scratched him with just a few minutes to post.

00:52:29It's very interesting reading.

00:52:31I've read all 14 pages of the lawsuit, and I've got a lot to say about this and a lot

00:52:37of thoughts.

00:52:38First of all, they made some very good points in there.

00:52:43Namely, that this horse was cleared time and time and time again throughout his career

00:52:49and even during the week of the race, and that they admit that he has what they call

00:52:55a choppy gait, but said that veterinarians had always realized that's just the way the

00:53:01horse goes and that he is sound, and they have let him race.

00:53:04Matter of fact, Dr. Brent Cassidy, who was the one who scratched him out of the 2025 dirt

00:53:10mile, is the same veterinarian who passed him when he won the 2023 Breeders' Cup Classic.

00:53:18So they make a very good case that this just doesn't make any sense.

00:53:23How can you pass the horse time and time and time again, including during the week of the

00:53:28race, then, oh, by the way, three minutes to post, we're going to scratch him.

00:53:32So I think the veterinarian, in hindsight, obviously made a mistake.

00:53:38Look what the horse has done since then.

00:53:40I also understand that these regulatory veterinarians are in a very difficult position, but I also

00:53:45will say this.

00:53:46I don't think they can win this lawsuit, Randy, and I'll let you go to that because it's a

00:53:53judgment call, and they have to prove to me.

00:53:56I'm not a lawyer, and I hate that so many things we talk about get involved in this legalese

00:54:02and lawsuits and whatnot, but unless they can prove some sort of malice or prejudice against

00:54:09this horse, this was someone who's just doing their job, making a judgment call.

00:54:13Again, I think he made a bad call.

00:54:15I think all the evidence that they put in the lawsuit suggests that he made a bad call,

00:54:20but people are human.

00:54:21They made bad calls.

00:54:22These regulatory vets are in very difficult positions, and they deserve to be mad.

00:54:28They deserve to be furious.

00:54:29I think they got shafted, but no, I don't think they're going to win this lawsuit.

00:54:34Yeah, I mean, I have no idea about the merits of the lawsuit and the chances that they have

00:54:39of winning.

00:54:42I will make a couple of points.

00:54:44Number one, in defense of the regulatory veterinarians, we have seen time and time and time again

00:54:54in major races like the Triple Crown races and like the Breeders' Cup races where horses

00:55:01are scratched by the regulatory veterinarians, not necessarily on the track, but the weak

00:55:07of, and you hear loud cries of complaints from the owners and the trainers, and then lo and

00:55:15behold, the next thing you read is that the horse has undergone surgery or the horse has

00:55:20been out for eight months or 10 months or a year before he comes back to the races again.

00:55:25And oh, by the way, obviously the regulatory veterinarians were correct in their judgment

00:55:30to scratch the horse.

00:55:31And some of this you have to realize, and people that are involved in horse racing realize

00:55:38this, when a trainer complains about his horse being scratched, it's not rare for a trainer

00:55:48not necessarily to approve of running a horse in a Breeders' Cup race, but being forced to

00:55:56run by an owner who very much wants his horse to run.

00:56:00And a lot of times the trainer, he can't call his owner out if the horse, if the veterinarian

00:56:05scratches the horse, he can't say, well, my owner made me enter him, I didn't really want

00:56:09to run.

00:56:09He's not going to throw his owner under the bus.

00:56:12So the trainer therefore has to sort of kind of, you know, take offense to it and, you know,

00:56:19publicly question it.

00:56:19Um, I think it all comes down to, uh, we, we all want horse safety.

00:56:26Uh, are you comfortable with this scenario?

00:56:31Veterinarians see a horse daily.

00:56:33They test a horse, they do pet scans, whatever on the horse, the horse is just fine, passes

00:56:41all the tests.

00:56:41They get to the races, the horse is warming up on the track and one veterinarian out of,

00:56:48let's say six who are watching the horses decides that he or she doesn't like the way

00:56:55that horse is moving and recommends a scratch.

00:56:58Is that okay?

00:57:00Is it okay for the horse to pass batteries of tests all week long and only one out of,

00:57:05let's say six veterinarians thinks the horse should be scratched and therefore the horse is

00:57:10scratched.

00:57:11If you think that's acceptable to try to prevent what we all don't want to happen on the racetrack

00:57:19is, is a horse injury, then that's just, you know, you're just going to have to swallow

00:57:24that, uh, that sometimes these things will happen and sometimes horses that shouldn't be

00:57:29scratched will be scratched.

00:57:30If you think that that's maybe a little over the top, then something needs to be changed.

00:57:37It's a tough call.

00:57:38It really is.

00:57:39I'm pretty sure there is no veterinarian in the country that would like to scratch a horse

00:57:46in the post parade of a Breeders' Cup race.

00:57:50You could ask every single one of them and that would be their worst nightmare to scratch

00:57:55one in the post parade of a Breeders' Cup race.

00:57:58Now, many different things can happen.

00:57:59Yes, he could have, any horse can jump through all the hoops prior to the race and I'm not

00:58:04on one side or the other, but I've ridden many horses in the afternoon.

00:58:09I've even scratched a couple that I've been on in the morning that were absolutely fine.

00:58:14Horses are fickle creatures.

00:58:16If there's a way to hurt themselves, God damn it, they will.

00:58:19They could be standing in the stall and kick it a fly and kick the wall.

00:58:23You wouldn't even know.

00:58:24You lead the horse over.

00:58:26Horse is absolutely fine.

00:58:28Jock takes it out on the racetrack.

00:58:30Oh, it's lame.

00:58:30What the hell happened?

00:58:32You weren't in the stall 24-7 with it.

00:58:34You don't know if that horse kicked the wall.

00:58:36You don't know if the pony kicked him.

00:58:38You don't know if the pony stood on his foot.

00:58:41There are an infinite number of things that can happen between the time that horse passes

00:58:47the vet in the morning and to get to the starting gate in the afternoon.

00:58:53A number of things.

00:58:54Now, I don't know if that happened to him.

00:58:55I've got no idea.

00:58:57I'm just playing devil's advocate that your horse can be sound in the morning and lame in

00:59:01the afternoon.

00:59:03I've seen it.

00:59:04I'm not saying he was or he wasn't.

00:59:06It's just going to be a very hard thing to prove in a lawsuit.

00:59:10I just like to add one more thing to this and that another thing, I think if they win

00:59:15the lawsuit, it sets a precedent that maybe the horse racing industry does not want.

00:59:21Think of the vets in the future thinking, oh, my God, if I scratch this horse and it turns

00:59:27out that people are going to question it, maybe I'll get sued.

00:59:31This is going to put extra pressure on these vets, I think, and that, you know, maybe they'll

00:59:36be afraid to make the tough decisions if they think that a lawsuit is hovering over their

00:59:42heads.

00:59:42So I'm on board with pretty much everything both you and Randy, Zoe, both you and Randy

00:59:47said.

00:59:47But it is a difficult case.

00:59:49I don't think they're going to win.

00:59:51But I also don't think it was handled.

00:59:53I think it was handled very poorly from the start to finish, including the fact that there

00:59:57was no transparency whatsoever, that they never told the betting public what was going

01:00:02on.

01:00:02They apparently never really even said anything to the owners until well after the race.

01:00:06So hopefully from that respect, horse racing can learn some lessons from this.

01:00:11But this will be an interesting case.

01:00:13We'll see where it goes.

01:00:14And again, I don't blame these guys for being mad, but as happens with so many times, I think

01:00:24the ultimate winners here are going to be the lawyers, and that's the case.

01:00:28All right.

01:00:28So before we go to the break, I want to just let people know that there's a new horse rescue

01:00:35operation out there that goes by the name of HERF.

01:00:38And what it is, is the Haiza Equine Recovery Foundation.

01:00:42And now this is something that is doing some very important work in horse racing that hasn't

01:00:48been done largely outside of the Stronach Group tracks.

01:00:51And what the Stronach Group started was that they were taking horses that were injured, but

01:00:57were not injured.

01:00:59They were injured to the point where they could not race anymore, but not injured to the point

01:01:03where they were a definite candidate for euthanasia.

01:01:07Now, owners in that situation are faced with a difficult decision.

01:01:12Knowing the horse is never going to race again and may not even be able to be repaired to

01:01:16the point where they could be an equestrian horse or riding horse, et cetera.

01:01:20Do they pay the money to have the surgery performed?

01:01:24We can understand why some people say no.

01:01:27They may not be able to afford it.

01:01:28They may not see the practicality of it.

01:01:30So what the Stronach Group did and what this organization called HERF now is going to pick

01:01:36up in the Midwest and Northeast is to let the veterinarians know that if there's a horse

01:01:42that is in this situation, they are going to fix the horse up at no cost.

01:01:48Root and Riddle is going to perform the surgeries for free.

01:01:51It's an absolutely great initiative.

01:01:54And even though it is called, I know there's people say, oh, it's Haiza.

01:01:58So automatically 50% of the people are probably going to think it's a bad thing.

01:02:03Haiza only kickstarted this.

01:02:04They're not controlling this.

01:02:05They're not behind it.

01:02:07They just got it started.

01:02:08And every single Haiza employee there was, every single one donated out of their own pockets

01:02:15to get this charity going.

01:02:16If you want to learn more about it, go to equinerecovery.org or do a Google search, Thoroughbred

01:02:23Daily News, HERF, and you'll find the story that I did about HERF a while ago in TDN.

01:02:31Very good initiative and something that we really need in this sport because we can't do enough

01:02:37to save these horses.

01:02:38All right.

01:02:39We're going to take a break.

01:02:40We're going to hear from, among other things, the Kentucky breads and first things first.

01:02:44And also from first TV as well.

01:02:48We come back, we will talk about that $10.5 million yearling, excuse me, two-year-old that

01:02:55Zoe's going to mention as well in first things first.

01:02:59The TDN Riders Room also brought to you by the Kentucky Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders,

01:03:03the KTOB.

01:03:05Obviously, if you want to get to the Kentucky Derby, you need Kentucky breads.

01:03:09Kentucky breads comprise 18 of the 20 leading derby contenders as of this taping, including

01:03:16Florida Derby winner, Commandment, Bluegrass winner, Further Ado, Arkansas Derby winner,

01:03:21Renegade, and the favorite's going to come out of one of those three, and Santa Anita Derby

01:03:25winners so happy.

01:03:26Kentucky breads also account for 13 of the 14 leading contenders right now for the Kentucky

01:03:32Oaks, including Meaning, Percy's Bar, and Bella Ballerina.

01:03:37And in the news this week, a Kentucky bred son of Flightline, you'll hear about this

01:03:42on this podcast, atop the OBS spring sale, selling for a record $10.5 million on Friday.

01:03:50Again, we'll have more to say about that amazing purchase in just a moment.

01:03:54And as we've already discussed, Wida Barrio, Kentucky bred, defeated the reigning horse

01:03:58of the year.

01:03:59Sovereignty and journalism in the Oakland handicap, Wida Barrio has now earned more than

01:04:038.4 million dollars.

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01:04:36We all win.

01:04:41On this week's edition of First Things First, brought to you by Santa Anita, I checked in

01:04:46with the $10.5 million horse who arrived at Santa Anita Park late on Saturday evening.

01:04:53made his first trip to the racetrack on Monday morning.

01:05:03What's it like riding a $10 million horse?

01:05:07Like a ride a $10 million horse?

01:05:10A lot of class.

01:05:11Really nice.

01:05:11He did everything very, very nice.

01:05:13You can tell.

01:05:14It seems like he's worth it in money.

01:05:16He looked really good, especially the second time around.

01:05:19Yeah, exactly.

01:05:19The first day, usually, they get to know around, but after he fasts, he's like, you can tell

01:05:25it's more relaxed and more smooth.

01:05:27I mean, he does everything nice.

01:05:29Switch legs, everything really, really nice.

01:05:31Is this the most expensive horse you've ever ridden?

01:05:34Probably, yeah.

01:05:35Yeah.

01:05:36Cool dude.

01:05:37He needs a good nickname.

01:05:38Do you have one yet?

01:05:3910.5.

01:05:4510.5.

01:05:46All right.

01:05:46We'll go with that.

01:05:54All right.

01:05:55Then that's it.

01:05:55We're going to call him 10.5 from now on.

01:05:59Many thanks to Manny Avia, who's been with Bob Baffert the better part of two decades

01:06:04and certainly thrown a leg over many, many of his very good horses.

01:06:09Back to Santa Anita.

01:06:10Do you want to remind you that racing does continue this Friday, Saturday and Sunday?

01:06:15Free Fridays, as always.

01:06:17And do mark on your calendar, April the 30th, we will have a four-day racing weekend over

01:06:22the Kentucky Derby weekend.

01:06:24We'll have Thursday racing.

01:06:26April the 30th.

01:06:27Don't forget.

01:06:29Well, wow, is there some big news at Ocala last week and the April sale.

01:06:34And, you know, we see the million-dollar sales, the $2 million.

01:06:37And at this point, we don't even blink when people pay that kind of money.

01:06:41And lo and behold, here comes Amherz Zydan buying a son of Flightline for $10.5 million,

01:06:50which probably from a business standpoint doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

01:06:54But it's his money.

01:06:56He dreams of winning the Kentucky Derby.

01:06:58And if the horse doesn't, goes on to be a great stallion, he's going to make a lot of money.

01:07:03If the horse doesn't live up to those expectations, he's going to lose a lot of money.

01:07:08But, Zoe, you were front and center.

01:07:10What was it about this guy that made him the $10.5 million horse?

01:07:16He was a wow individual.

01:07:17I actually saw him the day before he breezed.

01:07:20I was at the Hartley-Dorenzo consignment and I had a look at their Jackie's Warrior brazen persuasion,

01:07:26who, by the way, set the record on day two of the sale, selling for $2.3 million.

01:07:32So they already started off a good sale.

01:07:35Anyway, I looked at her.

01:07:36She was lovely.

01:07:37And then Dean said, hey, come here, Zoe.

01:07:40Look at this guy in this stall.

01:07:41And there was no plaque up that told you the breeding.

01:07:43So I go in the stall and I'm like, whoa, there's this huge, big, burly horse.

01:07:49Looks like a three-year-old standing there.

01:07:51And I'm like, what's that, an intermischief?

01:07:53He's like, no, it's a flight line out of an intermischief mare.

01:07:57So the next day, he breezed.

01:08:00I can't even remember what set he was in.

01:08:02But he was just amazing.

01:08:05Nine and three down the lane and just kept galloping out.

01:08:08It's not often that horses will gallop out like sub-22 and then sub-34.

01:08:14He just kept going.

01:08:16And watching him at the barn, he just looks like a man against boys.

01:08:21We'll just leave it at that.

01:08:23He's absolutely gorgeous.

01:08:24We had over under a $5 million on him.

01:08:27I was fortunate enough to be up on the rostrum

01:08:31and had the best seat in the house when the bidding started.

01:08:35And just phenomenal.

01:08:36The buzz in the place.

01:08:37I've never seen anything like it.

01:08:39Ryan Mahan, the lead auctioneer there and at Keeneland,

01:08:42I was sitting next to him and he's like,

01:08:44I've never seen anything like this in 30 years.

01:08:46There were people stacked five deep in the back walking ring to see him.

01:08:51I literally had to yell down the microphone.

01:08:53I'm still getting used to that.

01:08:55I might have messed up a few times, but trying to read off the pedigree page.

01:08:59But the whole of the indoor auditorium was packed full of people.

01:09:03Round of applause.

01:09:04And then the auctioneer, Justin, was like, just hold your applause till he leaves.

01:09:09And then he's like, oh, what the hell?

01:09:10No, applause.

01:09:11Nothing bothers him.

01:09:12He stood up there for five minutes like he was tied to the feed bowl.

01:09:15What a classy individual wishing Bob and Amma the best of luck with him.

01:09:20Already went to the track at Santa Anita.

01:09:23Just looks like a superstar.

01:09:24But again, you never know until they run.

01:09:27You just don't know.

01:09:29Was Zidane there?

01:09:30No, he wasn't.

01:09:31And Bob wasn't even there.

01:09:33Nope.

01:09:33He was on the phone.

01:09:34Bob had already left.

01:09:37So Donato likes to bid in the press box.

01:09:40So I can see Donato there.

01:09:42And the other two bidders were out the back.

01:09:45It was the Japanese.

01:09:46I believe it was Northern Farm.

01:09:47And then you've got West Point on the back with Jane Lyon, who flew up, especially that morning.

01:09:53It was like a cash call called Jane Lyon.

01:09:56They were out back and they were underneath.

01:09:58And I believe Donato was on the phone telling Amma, I'm going to hang up in a minute.

01:10:03I'm hanging up.

01:10:04And Amma was like, don't you hang up on me.

01:10:06I'm buying that horse.

01:10:08I told Donato afterwards, I don't think I've ever seen you sweat before.

01:10:12Oh, man.

01:10:13And the Yoshidas were involved, too.

01:10:15That's cool.

01:10:16Wow.

01:10:16So it was a very cool experience.

01:10:19In fact, the wholesale was very cool.

01:10:21I'll read off some of the stats here.

01:10:22$113 million gross, which has surpassed any gross ever.

01:10:28Last year, it was $88.4 million gross.

01:10:31So that's already up.

01:10:33The median was way up, $80,000 for the median.

01:10:38I think the buyback rate was $17.8, just up a tick from $16.6 last year.

01:10:44But all across the board, terrific gains.

01:10:48It was a fabulous sale.

01:10:49They do have their OBS second chance digital sale, which is for unsold, horses that were

01:10:55unsold going through the sale or were breezed and scratched.

01:10:59And there were a lot of those kind of middle market horses that were taken out.

01:11:03They do have the last chance digital sale.

01:11:06They'll have the same numbers.

01:11:07And that sale starts on the 24th through the 28th of April, starting at noon on the OBS

01:11:13website.

01:11:13And the horses have their same hit numbers, so it makes it easy.

01:11:17So you can go on there if you didn't get a chance to buy anything and take a look at

01:11:21the horses that went through the April sale.

01:11:23But through and through, that was exciting.

01:11:25So we like to end the show each week by reading off some of the comments that people are posting

01:11:32on our YouTube channel and just some fun things and asking people questions about what we think

01:11:41about this or that.

01:11:42I want to thank Donald Trump actually had something to say.

01:11:46DJ Trump actually had something to say about me on there.

01:11:50It wasn't very nice.

01:11:51And, you know, Mr. Trump, I don't think you're handling the Iran war very well either.

01:11:55So we're even on that.

01:11:58But, Zoe, even though you brought this up, I want to answer this one.

01:12:01You talked last week about your favorite horse being Kelly Leak, and someone wanted to know

01:12:10who Kelly Leak was.

01:12:11And I can tell you who Kelly Leak was, was the, and the person is Les Mess, 1259, wasn't

01:12:18Kelly Leak the name of the troublesome young man, also the best player on the team in the

01:12:22movie The Bad News Bears, played by Jackie Earl Haley.

01:12:25Bing, bing, bing, bing.

01:12:26You got it exactly right.

01:12:28One of the best movies in history of all mankind, the original Bad News Bears, Walter

01:12:35Matthaus starring as Buttermaker, and Jackie Earley, Haley Starling as Kelly Leak, and of

01:12:41course, Tatum O'Neill, the star pitcher for the Bad News Bears.

01:12:45Randy, now this one is for you, and it's from Celine Brady, NH6.

01:12:49It says, Randy, if you own a very expensive horse that you recently purchased, and your horse

01:12:54is running in a million-dollar grade one race, who would you want to ride that horse?

01:12:58And if you don't say I-Rad, you're wrong.

01:13:01All right.

01:13:03I would look at the top, I don't know, 10 jockeys in America, right?

01:13:09Mm-hmm.

01:13:12Doesn't matter.

01:13:13All right.

01:13:14They're all fantastic.

01:13:16They're all, now, if you, you know, not, and not that this really even matters, but

01:13:21if you start off with, let's say, Tyler Gafleone, and he wins, I mean, I guess you want to try

01:13:27to keep Tyler Gafleone, but I've had riders tell me that sometimes the very first time they

01:13:32ever sit on a horse's back with no preconceived notions are the best times that they've, you

01:13:37know, so to me, top jockeys, they're so good, the difference between them is minuscule.

01:13:44They can all win with the best horse.

01:13:46All right.

01:13:46Well, Celine Brady in 86 is not going to want to hear that from you because she's obviously

01:13:51an I-Rad fan, but we're having fun with this.

01:13:53Once again, go to our YouTube page, post some comments.

01:13:55We'll pick out some each week.

01:13:57The TD and Writers' Room Work of the Week is brought to you by First TV.

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01:14:13He also won the Bluegrass stakes at Keeneland in his last start.

01:14:17Further Ado is currently the Derby's second choice behind Renegade.

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01:16:09They had pride and excitement at the young sire's potential, but obviously some disappointment in missing out on that colt

01:16:17that appears to be an ultra-talented one.

01:16:24Okay, so that's a wrap on this week's show.

01:16:26I want to thank our Gainsway Guest of the Week, Mike Rippoli.

01:16:30I also want to thank my partners, Randy Moss and Zoe Cabin, as well as the people who work behind

01:16:35the scenes.

01:16:35And they're the real stars of the show because they make it look so good.

01:16:38That's the team of Sue Finley, Katie Petruniak, Anthony LaRocca, and Aaliyah LaRocca.

01:16:43We're getting awfully close to the Kentucky Derby, folks.

01:16:46And we'll keep you up to breast on the latest right here on the TDN Writers Room Podcast.

01:16:50See you next week.

01:16:51I'd like to thank our host for the TDN Writers Room, Mr. Bill Finley, with the title.

01:16:57The TDN Writers Room host, Bill Finley.

01:17:01There you go.

01:17:01The TDN Writers Room host.

01:17:04The TDN Writers Room, Mr. Bill Finley.

01:17:07See you next week.

01:17:08See you next week.

01:17:10Bye.

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