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00:06all right my last question if you were a tool or an object to bring your business to greater
00:17heights what would it be that's an interesting question I know because for what I do we have
00:26to have so many tools in the toolbox just one just one just one I have one tool that's pretty
00:33much
00:33used in almost every job and it's actually a cabinet makers hammer oh okay cabinet's maker
00:40hammer okay it is persuasive enough when I need to persuade something not someone something
00:51sometimes I have to be the heavy framing hammer other times I'm the lightweight hammer just to
01:00nudge things along all right I guess it's a hammer we got it selfie time selfie time
01:09you're fast ready one two three ah can you spy that is
01:34because this case gained such notoriety I knew that it would be very easy for the person who
01:40perpetrated these crimes to utilize the internet to try to figure out what we were doing so that's
01:46why I was very quiet I didn't show up on Gilgo Beach with a big magnifying glass and talk about
01:52all the things we were going to do because I wanted the perpetrator to think that it was business as
01:57usual we were spinning our wheels we weren't making any progress to maintain that investigative secrecy not
02:06everybody in my office knew what we were doing not everybody in the PD or the FBI it was just
02:11the
02:11the members of the task force we had our first task force meeting February 1st and I think March 14th
02:22of 2022 was when Rex Uerman was was identified as a suspect for the first time there was a new
02:28level of
02:29energy injected into this task force they were finally starting to see some meaningful movement on this case
02:37but what we think doesn't matter as prosecutors it's what we can prove
02:44so we would just work to try to establish more connections to those murders
02:55so we were surveilling him for a number of months
03:04they tracked where he went they tracked him on the train the LRR they tracked him going to his office
03:09in Midtown
03:13for the most part his activity was business as usual
03:18he would go to work and go home that is nothing that is in any way atypical
03:32but we saw within a very short period of time Rex buy a prepaid phone which we confirmed on the
03:41camera
03:42remember the killer used the burner phones so now we looked at the phone in his name and what was
03:49the
03:49activity and was it consistent with the times when the burner phones were being utilized and it was
03:59that was arguably one of the most significant points in this investigation
04:08there was this tension because we knew through his use of burner phones that he was continuing to contact sex
04:14workers
04:16that's obviously concerning but you still don't have enough evidence to prosecute when you looked at the original crime scene
04:25there wasn't a lot of evidence but what we saw was these five question hairs of interest discovered in December
04:33of 2010 with the gilgol four
04:36the gilgol four there was one that was recovered on Amber Costello and then there were three question hairs obtained
04:46from Megan Waterman and then hair that was recovered from the belt buckle of Maureen Brainer Barnes
04:55the hairs found on the victims were not matched to the victim nor any other profile within CODIS the hairs
05:04belong to an unidentified male of Caucasian descent as well as three different females
05:12we need more DNA profiles we need more DNA profiles to compare against
05:17maybe these hairs would be associated with the suspect
05:23the task force obtained DNA samples from the suspect's house
05:34so we were able to develop four genetic profiles off of bottles
05:40those genetic profiles were for family members who lived at the residence in Massapequa Park
05:48the suspect was married they had a biological daughter
05:52and she had a son who was unrelated to the suspect
05:57and now you have to actually see them discarding things that they eat or drink
06:02and then get the DNA sample so you know for sure that you have the right profile
06:10it was painstaking because you're still trying to keep the suspect in your sights
06:15do the surveillance obtain this evidence but you don't want to blow the investigation
06:25one day Rex comes out of the office and he throws away his box of pizza
06:30I just loved hearing this because it's just good old-fashioned detective work right
06:36the detective was standing there blending in with everybody else in New York City
06:40went over got the pizza box and therein was a piece of crust
06:44and he went and they took that pizza crust and they ran it
06:51when I read it I realized it sounds like we have a match here
06:56and then I started calling people in I said read this
07:00and we all agreed
07:03it was on
07:06we had enough probable cause to arrest Rex Uerman
07:17for a myriad of reasons we had decided that we wanted to arrest him in midtown Manhattan
07:23coming out of his place of business
07:36it was exciting it was scary because you know what this person was capable of
07:46so you know you really worry about keeping people safe
07:56it's beautiful
07:57what's the best
07:58for you
08:03so
08:05Win
08:05vid
08:18by
08:19When
08:28We got him!
08:30All right.
08:33What's happening?
08:36It's not easy when you go into a case
08:38and you are looking for that needle in the haystack.
08:42There were tens of thousands of hours
08:45placed into this investigation by Suffolk County Police,
08:48the FBI, the District Attorney's Office,
08:51the Sheriff's Department, the State Police.
08:53That task force was, in my opinion, a game-changer.
09:02For 13 years, the public has been just so fascinated by it,
09:07and law enforcement has been confounded by it.
09:10There has finally been an arrest,
09:12a Massapequa Park man charged with the murder of three women.
09:15Rex Hureman stayed silent
09:18as he walked out of Suffolk County 7th Precinct
09:20to face a judge on Friday afternoon.
09:23My friend, she called me.
09:25She was like, are you watching TV?
09:27I was like, no, why?
09:28She's like, your exact description of an ogre.
09:32Six-foot-seven, 350-pound man.
09:34And she's like, he's being arrested right now for Amber's murder.
09:39I've seen what that motherfucker looks like.
09:42Sorry, but that's being nice still.
09:45And he looks like an AI-generated version of Grimace if he was a human.
09:55The first time I saw pictures of him, I was like, wow, what a monster.
10:02It's huge.
10:03And these girls are all so tiny.
10:05And then the scenarios started coming in my head of this accused's big body,
10:14and her, she's so tiny.
10:17And now I have those nightmares in my head on top of everything else.
10:24If this is the person, it's going to save a lot of lives.
10:29No other girl is going to get hurt the way our girls got hurt.
10:37Our hope is that those families are experiencing some level of comfort and some level of relief,
10:43knowing that the person responsible for their loved one's death is now being held responsible.
10:51It was later on that day, they came out with the truck.
10:55And it was just like, holy shit, they had that, you know, everything for 13 years in front of them.
11:00They just never used it.
11:05If it comes out that this guy's been killing girls since they could have had him in 2010,
11:11that's what bothers me.
11:12That's what's going to cause me to lose sleep.
11:22Kristen Thorne is live outside the home,
11:24where neighbors were shocked to learn of today's arrest.
11:27Sade, this is sort of the place to be on Long Island right now.
11:31When I come down with my car to drop my wife off, I see him walking.
11:36Looks like every other American-type person, I guess.
11:40I saw it on Facebook this morning, and I was at work.
11:44And I was just like, listen, I got to take some personal time.
11:47I got to go down here because this is a big case.
11:51You know, we got to see how it plays out, too.
11:52We're talking about the Gilgal Four.
11:54So you all know that's not the end of the story, right?
11:59I was at work watching it on TV in just joking fashion to the guys.
12:06I was just like, hey, you know, I probably went to high school with them.
12:09And I found out about three hours later that they named the suspect, and it was Rex Hoyerman.
12:19We went to the same schools growing up.
12:22He was more of a recluse.
12:25He was very introverted, very skinny and tall.
12:30You know, we would bully him.
12:34You know, we used to call him Herman Munster.
12:38And he never bullied anybody.
12:40You know, he was, he wasn't that type of person.
12:46When I saw his house, I was more surprised because I thought maybe being an architect,
12:51you would do something a little nicer.
12:54This is a very nice neighborhood, and the house does stand out.
12:59Most of the people in the neighborhood didn't want to be close,
13:02and mainly because of the condition of the house and stuff like that.
13:05Because he's an architect, for you to have a house like that in a neighborhood like this,
13:09on this block, how come you haven't done your house?
13:12You go down the street, normal house, normal house, serial killer, normal, normal.
13:17You know what I mean?
13:18You know, then we started hearing from neighbors like that was the house
13:21they told the kids at Halloween don't go to.
13:26The condition of the house was very cluttered.
13:29We found a large number of electronic devices, phones, laptops.
13:34We found 116 or so handguns in the house and about 163 long guns.
13:41And if you look at the profile, here's an individual who hunts, an individual who targets shoots.
13:47The main reason why we wanted to arrest the defendant at his place of business rather than his home
13:52was we wanted to avoid those guns.
13:55You know, and then of course, we're also looking for trace evidence, you know, blood, hair, stains.
14:03When Rex Heurman is arrested, we're all rushing to figure out, who is this guy?
14:08You have to remember, this is years of not knowing who the Long Island serial killer was.
14:15And now we have a name.
14:20I was doing legal research on my computer and I saw the name Rex and I thought,
14:26not a lot of Rexes, but okay, there's another Rex.
14:30And then I saw his last name and then I saw an architect and then I saw a serial killer.
14:36And I thought I was hallucinating.
14:39This was impossible.
14:40And then I saw his mugshot.
14:44I thought there's no way that's him.
14:47Like, oh, there must be another Rex Heurman.
14:49It's so crazy that there are two Rex Heurmans.
14:52And then I was like, no, that's him.
14:54That's like his face.
14:55Like, and also there aren't two Rex Heurmans.
15:00I just couldn't believe it.
15:01I thought somebody had just played a joke on me.
15:05There's no way.
15:07I was 26 years old when I started working with Rex.
15:10He's a pretty girl, but he just tells jokes and never hit on me.
15:15To me, he was never a scary person or anyone you should ever fear.
15:23He was a licensed architect.
15:26There were mostly women working in the office,
15:29usually one to two other architects.
15:33And then he had, you know, a handful of people who helped him really grind out the work.
15:41When I worked for him, my job was to be his assistant.
15:47The office was a disaster area.
15:50It was a mess.
15:51There were blueprints all over the floor.
15:54It was dirty.
15:57So I spent the day cleaning.
16:00Inside his own office, you know, he's the main event.
16:06He doesn't have a very high emotional intelligence.
16:09He, he can't read people very well.
16:13But I can't envision him being a killer.
16:16I just think he's so large and bumbling.
16:21I, you know, I just can't imagine it.
16:23No.
16:25Like, here's this kind of lumbering guy who shuffles around.
16:29You don't look at him and think, here's the most agile, fearsome killer.
16:38I am a survivor of sexual assault.
16:42And my guard is totally up most of the time.
16:50And he didn't even register on my radar.
16:54I'm trying to reconcile why I didn't take better care of myself or how could I have not known,
17:01you know.
17:03But I think no one could have ever known.
17:08Those girls never had a chance.
17:13Because he tricked them, just like he tricked everybody else.
17:19Here we had a killer who was hidden for all these years.
17:23And so far, we believe that we've got him.
17:30When he was first arrested, his lawyer told the media that Rex was crying.
17:39He was very upset that he said he had nothing to do with any of this.
17:43He didn't even know these women.
17:46And that he didn't know any of what was going on.
17:50Officials cite DNA and cell phone data as evidence alleging used burner phones.
17:55Defense attorney Michael Brown calls the evidence circumstantial.
17:58I don't believe everything the government says.
18:01Do you believe everything the government says?
18:03The press has convicted my client without seeing a shred of evidence.
18:08So he doesn't stand a chance with the press.
18:10And we're not going to try the case in the press.
18:13I doubt that any one of you for a moment have even contemplated the possibility that
18:17they have the wrong guy.
18:19The government is looking to convict my client.
18:22What has my client told me?
18:23He told me he didn't do this.
18:28So am I starting?
18:29Am I leading on?
18:31Ray Tierney wants the buck to stop with him.
18:33It's like the biggest case of the century, right?
18:37If anything goes wrong with this prosecution?
18:42The indictment of defendant Rex Andrew Heerman, 59 years of age,
18:47for the murders of Melissa Bartholomey, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello.
18:53The investigation of Maureen Brainerd Barnes is ongoing.
18:59Maureen Brainerd Barnes was not included.
19:01The reason is they didn't have enough time to get her DNA into that indictment.
19:06But they felt they had to arrest him when they did because they could see his activities
19:11in terms of trying to reach sex workers.
19:14And they were worried that he was a threat to public safety.
19:19We've been able to associate eight or so burner phone accounts to him.
19:24Primarily, those burner phones were used to speak with a large number of sex workers.
19:31It was, you know, precisely what we've been talking about all along with this
19:35tension between public safety, grand jury secrecy, and obtaining the evidence.
19:41So we continued to prosecute those three cases in court while still investigating the
19:47Brainerd Barnes case in the grand jury.
19:49Look, prosecutors do not like to move forward in a case without having everything together.
19:57Of course, they wanted the four of them ready to go at one time.
20:01But unfortunately, in this situation, there was still some outstanding DNA.
20:08So we definitely know that Maureen Brainerd Barnes had been restrained by three leather belts,
20:18one of which was utilized to tie Barnes' feet, ankle, and legs together.
20:23And on the belt had the initials W-H or H-M.
20:30W-H are the initials of Rex Heurman's grandfather.
20:36Could be coincidental.
20:37But most importantly, they found on the belt one female hair.
20:47The hair that was recovered from the belt buckle of Maureen Brainerd Barnes,
20:53that was consistent with his wife.
20:56There is this known phenomenon in science, it's called transference.
21:01If you live with the person, oftentimes their hair will get on your clothes,
21:05you'll come in contact with a third party,
21:06and both those hairs could then be transferred to that third party.
21:11REX's wife's hair was found on Maureen's body.
21:15Could this be transference?
21:18Or could it be that Maureen had actually been in Rex's house?
21:25And then you have the people who theorize
21:30that Asa may not be telling us everything that she knew
21:35about what was going on, and may have interacted with some of these women.
21:40She had no idea any of this was going on,
21:42or the allegations were even her husband was a suspect.
21:45She's not a suspect.
21:47She has not been questioned by the police regarding any of this.
21:50It's been extremely overwhelming for her and the children
21:53trying to piece life back together, or what it was two and a half weeks ago.
21:57I think there's still a lot of concern and suspicion about whether these women were ever in the house.
22:05I mean, there's an incredible amount of Asa and Victoria's DNA on these female victims.
22:17There's a lot of supposition and noise surrounding the wife,
22:22but what we've been able to prove conclusively is during the time of the commission of these four
22:26charged murders, the wife and the rest of the family were out of the state at the time of the
22:32commission of the murders.
22:44The first round of charges against Rex Heurman were for Megan Waterman,
22:48Amber Costello, and Melissa Barthelemy.
22:52Six months later, he was charged with Maureen Brainerd Barnes, the fourth of the Gilgo Four.
23:06So, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for coming. We're here to discuss the superseding indictment.
23:12The only change in that indictment is that we've charged the murder of Maureen Brainerd Barnes,
23:18which occurred in July of 2007. It's important that we keep in mind what this case is about.
23:25Maureen Brainerd Barnes was 20, 25 years of age when she lost her life.
23:30She was a devoted sister, devoted mother, devoted daughter. And this is what this case is about.
23:37This is what this case should be about.
23:41And I went for the press conference when the asshole was charged with my friend's murder.
23:51Justice needs to be served.
23:54And I hope he just never, ever sees a light of day.
24:01I'm attorney Gloria Allred, and today I'm here at the Suffolk County New York Courthouse with five
24:08of my six clients who were relatives or a friend of alleged victims of defendant Rex Heurman.
24:16They have asked me to represent them as their victim's rights attorney in this case, and I'm honored
24:22to support them. Next, I would like to introduce Nicolette Brainerd Barnes, who is the daughter
24:34of Maureen.
24:35I'm here to speak for my mom Maureen. I was only seven years old when my mother was murdered.
24:41Her loss drastically changed the trajectory of my life. I remember she read to me every night,
24:46and now I can no longer remember the sound of her voice.
24:52For years, it looked like there might not be charges filed against any suspect
24:55for the murder of my mother. While the loss of my mom has been extremely painful for me,
25:01the indictment by the grand jury has brought hope for justice for my mom and my family.
25:08I'm a women's rights attorney. I've represented 20 victims of Jeffrey Epstein, a number of victims
25:16against Harvey Weinstein. I don't judge people. Life is a challenge for every woman I know, and
25:27I understand what women have to go through in life because I've lived it. After I became a teacher,
25:35moved to California, I went to Mexico on a vacation with a friend, and there I met a doctor,
25:44and went on a date with him and ended up being raped at gunpoint and had nobody who could help
25:53me.
25:54I didn't know attorneys. So I remember when I didn't know and why I didn't know.
26:01And it just always motivates me to help win change.
26:10The people who are involved with the Gilgo Beach case contacted me and asked me to help.
26:18I felt that I had the ability to help, I have the opportunity to help, and I have the desire
26:24to help.
26:27But there's a long way to go to learn if they're going to win any justice.
26:36It took years to even discover the bodies of their loved one, and some bodies have not yet been identified.
26:49The Gilgo Four definitely received a lot of attention, mainly because that's where the investigation
26:57has focused, and because, quite frankly, they're all identified. The remaining six victims attached to
27:03this crime scene, with the exception of Jessica Taylor, were all John and Jane Doe's.
27:10Every time there is a press conference on this case, we ask about these other victims,
27:15and police will only say they're continuing to do their work, they're continuing to investigate it.
27:21I.D.ing a body is so important. It is the first step that allows law enforcement to go and
27:29try to
27:29figure out who killed someone. You cannot find out who killed someone if you don't know who the victim is.
27:36The FBI approached Suffolk County and offered to deploy investigative genetic genealogy
27:42in order to resolve the identities of the remaining bodies. Jane Doe No. 6, Fire Island Jane Doe,
27:49as well as Jane Doe found in Hempstead Lake Park, Peaches and her baby, as well as Asian Mail.
27:58Their DNA profiles were submitted into NamUs, that is the national database for missing persons for DNA
28:04profiles, and there were no hits. So from there, the FBI used investigative genetic genealogy
28:11to build out the family trees. And in the end, the identity of Jane Doe No. 6 was resolved to
28:18Valerie Mack.
28:22Peaches, Tanya Jackson. Tatiana, that's her baby.
28:30And Fire Island Jane Doe, Karen Vergarda.
28:35And the work to identify Asian Mail remains ongoing.
28:39The investigation into the remaining six victims is extremely active, and more active than it's been
28:46in a very long time. We don't know yet if Rex Howerman will be charged with their murders.
28:54But Jessica Taylor will, in my opinion, be the most viable of the remaining victims to have
29:02a suspect associated with them. She could be the link that linked not only those other victims,
29:10but links back to the Gilgo Four.
29:13Jessica Taylor's body was found at Gilgo Beach, but parts of her body were also found years prior
29:20in Manorville, Long Island. Jess Taylor was 20 years old. She had a rough upbringing, but a mom that loved
29:30her,
29:30and two brothers that loved her. And she fell into the wrong crowd, who introduced her to sex work.
29:40In July of 2003, her torso was found in Manorville, and she remained unidentified for about a year.
29:50Jessica had a tattoo on her back. The tattoo had been mutilated in a way to disfigure it so that
29:58it was not
30:00reasonably identifiable. But the medical examiner's office effectively pushed the skin together,
30:06sent out a photo, blasted around to local police agencies, and a detective in Washington, D.C. that had
30:14arrested Jessica the preceding year, recognized the tattoo, and called Suffolk PD and said,
30:21I know who she is.
30:33Jessica Taylor's body was found right about here, maybe 10 feet set back, right by the tree.
30:42Jessica Taylor's body. She had been decapitated. Her hands and her feet had been cut off,
30:53and she had been posed to maximize the shock value and also to increase the amount of humiliation to the
30:59victim.
31:02A neighbor reported seeing a large Chevy pickup truck, dark color, pull into this service road,
31:10stop for a bit for maybe 10 minutes, and then leave around 10 30 at night. That's when we believe
31:16the perpetrator drove up, took out Jessica's effectively her torso, posed it on a medical
31:23U-drape tent, and left her hair to be found. And from what I understand from her family members about
31:32Jess, she would not have gone softly. She went, she was not going down without a fight.
31:38She was tortured, pre and post-mortem.
31:43She probably inflicted some degree of humiliation onto the perpetrator,
31:48and so he inflicted it back.
31:54Her head and her hands, the remaining body parts, were found along Ocean Parkway in March 2011.
32:02Jess's case was crucial to the identification of Jane Doe number six, Valerie Mack.
32:09She was a 24-year-old female from South Jersey who was involved in sex work.
32:18Both Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor had both of their torsos and other body parts
32:24recovered in Manorville in 2000 and 2003, respectively.
32:31Jessica Taylor's body was found on Falsey Manor Road, which bisects with Mill Road. The location
32:38of Valerie Mack's body, they were found less than a half a mile from each other. And if you look
32:47at
32:47the manner in which both Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor's bodies were left, it was very similar.
32:55Both victims were decapitated and dismembered at their arms below their elbows.
33:02During the course of the investigation, it became pretty evident that it was necessary that the task
33:07force expanded the search for victims after they had a DNA profile from Rex Howerman. They looked
33:14for cold cases going back decades in Suffolk County for victims that may have had DNA evidence linking
33:22to this potential suspect. Sandra Castilla was one of those victims.
33:31In the early stage of the investigation, Sandra Castilla was a case that we thought
33:36was of interest to us. The similarities between Sandra Castilla and Jessica Taylor were so striking
33:43in the way they were left and the manner of their death.
33:47So this is the site where Sandra Castilla's body was found, November 20, 1993.
33:53She was not covered. She was not put in a bag. She just was there out in the open.
33:59The official cause of death was asphyxiation. She had multiple slash wounds across her body.
34:07Her arms were above her head. Her legs were spread apart. Her top was shoved up above her head so
34:14that
34:16it just compounded the humiliation of it all. Several of her injuries, from what I understand,
34:23were post-mortem as well. So she's dead and he's still defacing her body.
34:35As a journalist, I advocate on behalf of women who had in some way been brutalized, in some way
34:43been harmed. I saw this one face and something about her face told me that if I could not be
34:51sure that she
34:52was Trinidadian, I knew she was Caribbean. So I proceeded to, on an investigation, to try to figure
35:00out who Sandra Castilla really was. Sandra Castilla was born in Trinidad and Tobago. The family was by
35:09no means wealthy, but they were also not impoverished. And it seemed that the unit was a fully functional
35:16and happy unit and a happy family. Her mother and father died in very tragic circumstances. Sandra and
35:25her brother were immediately and instantly orphaned. And then, eventually, Sandra left Trinidad for Queens,
35:33New York. The police seemed to assume that her lifestyle was, quote-unquote, substantially similar
35:41to the lifestyle of the other victims, meaning that she did interface in some way with sex work.
35:46There's nothing that I have discovered to suggest that she was a sex worker.
35:52She worked in bookkeeping and through that job was in Manhattan quite often.
35:58There's one suggestion that perhaps that he may have encountered her in a bar.
36:04On November 13, 1993, there was a best friend she had who was living in Massachusetts,
36:10and she phoned her in some distress. She told her life was not going well. And her friend suggested,
36:17why don't you just pack up and come to Massachusetts? You can stay with me.
36:21And Sandra said, yes, I will do that. I wanted to do that. And her friend waited for her to
36:27come
36:27and waited, and waited, and waited. And Sandra never showed. And about a week later, received a phone call.
36:37The person was a gentleman, and he said, he claimed he was a police officer.
36:42He said that Sandra had died, her body had been found, and that her friend's contact information
36:49had been found on Sandra's person. And that is how the contact was made. And from then to now,
36:56there has been no further contact from the police. Her friend is unsure whether it was the police
37:01who phoned or whether it was someone else.
37:10Sandra Casilla was found by two hunters in the area. At the time, this area was open up to hunters.
37:17And a number of the residences that are nearby now did not exist. They weren't here. So it was a
37:24relatively secluded area. And a decent dumping site for someone looking to dispose of a body to go undetected.
37:35He was really into hunting. He had been for years. That was known. He loved guns. All types of hunting.
37:45He was a duck hunter. He went hunting for big game. He would go to Alaska to hunt bear.
37:53He was crazy. He was like, you're going to set a trap, you know, and lie in wait for this
37:58dangerous
37:59animal to come and then like spring into action or whatever.
38:07He liked to talk about going out and shooting bears and skinning them. And he would just like to watch
38:16people get nauseated from his story. What makes it so spooky for those of us who knew him and worked
38:26alongside him at any point is just that he's created a world where he can boss around a room full
38:34of women,
38:35many of whom are, you know, on the petite side. And then on the weekends, he's allegedly out hunting women
38:42of the same stature.
38:54We were continuing to work the case. As we were doing that,
38:59uh, we were getting back, uh, forensic evidence from some of the devices.
39:09During the search of the house, we found a couple of laptops, standalone computers.
39:17There was some evidence of further searches with regard to torture porn, with regard to monitoring
39:24the investigation, uh, looking up the Gilgo investigation, the victims, the victims' families.
39:34We also recovered, uh, I think the most pertinent piece of evidence that we, uh, that we're able
39:40to retrieve out of unallocated space, which means it was erased originally, but we were able to
39:46forensically retrieve it nonetheless, was the planning document. The task force discovered a Microsoft
39:53Word document entitled HK 2002-2004. We didn't have much of a conversation, uh, but, uh, yeah, he's in a
40:05bad place.
40:08This document shows his intent.
40:13And that intent is to, uh, meticulously plan and premeditate the murders of the victims in this case.
40:20This document is unlike anything I've ever seen.
40:24This guy's an architect, and he's allegedly made a blueprint for his crimes.
40:50But, uh, in order to demonstrate his revenge, uh, his own family, you know, that has been considered
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