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00:03From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central,
00:07it's America's only source for news.
00:10This is The Daily Show with your host, Ronnie Tick.
00:28Hey, welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Roy Chang.
00:32We got so much to talk about tonight.
00:34J.D. Vance's next confession is gonna get awkward.
00:37We learn why Trump names everything after himself,
00:40and Don Jr. discusses the benefits of Coke, the soda.
00:44So let's get into the headlines.
00:50Do you guys remember how before we had a president
00:53who was an old man who said crazy things,
00:55we had a president who was an old man who said crazy things?
00:58Well, Joe Biden's not the president anymore,
01:01but he is still very old.
01:04At an event at Syracuse University yesterday,
01:07former President Joe Biden called out a man
01:09who he thought looked like Barack Obama.
01:11And by the way, uh, I always want to turn around
01:14one guy and say, uh, Barack, what are you doing?
01:18Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here.
01:23Come here. Come here. Come here.
01:26Oh, no. How bad is this gonna be?
01:29Like, like, I hope he's not just pointing to some black guy,
01:34but...
01:36But I also hope it's at least a black guy.
01:38You know what I mean? Like...
01:40Oh, my God. Please let him look like Obama.
01:42Please let him look like Obama.
01:46I feel like he should be standing right
01:48and I should be standing left.
01:50Oh, thank God.
01:54Close enough.
01:56I mean, I'm not... I'm not saying he looks a lot like Obama,
02:00but it's in the ballpark.
02:03I thought for sure it was gonna be like Lil Wayne or something.
02:08In fact, I-I don't know how to explain this,
02:10but, uh, somehow that guy looks more like Obama
02:13than Joe Biden looks like Joe Biden.
02:18But still, uh, what a high-risk, low-reward move that was.
02:23I mean, at best, the audience is like,
02:26oh, yeah, I guess I can see it.
02:30And... and at worst is they send you off
02:32to a nursing home for racists.
02:35Speaking of a nursing home for racists,
02:37let's check in with the White House
02:38to see how our...
02:40to see how our current president is doing.
02:43Good thing America's preeminent TV doctor, Dr. Oz,
02:47is keeping an eye on Trump's health.
02:49Your dad argues that diet soda is good for him
02:52because it kills grass.
02:53It's poured on grass,
02:55so, therefore, it must kill cancer cells inside the body.
02:57So, he'll try... please. I...
03:03Diet Coke kills grass,
03:05so Diet Coke must be good for me
03:08is a crazy theory.
03:12Like, this kills plants,
03:14so safe to assume it'll kill cancer cells
03:16and not everything else in my body
03:18is flawless logic.
03:20Also, why does he think that diet soda kills grass?
03:24That-that's not a thing.
03:26Like, are we sure he hasn't accidentally
03:29been drinking Roundup? Like...
03:34That would explain a lot, actually.
03:37Um...
03:37By the way, I love how Don Jr. just laughs at this.
03:40Like...
03:41If someone told me this about my dad,
03:44I'd be concerned.
03:46But Don Jr. is just like,
03:47Oh, yeah! Ha-ha! Yeah!
03:49My dad's brain sure is bad.
03:53But let's move on,
03:54because having a body that's 80% Diet Coke
03:57isn't Trump's only problem right now,
03:59recent polls show that young Republicans
04:01are starting to turn on Trump,
04:03especially over the war with Iran.
04:05But Donald Trump is not worried
04:06because he's got the one guy
04:08who has the riz to Trump Max Gen Z again.
04:11We're talking about Vice President J.D. Vance.
04:14Yesterday, he went to a TPUSA event,
04:18and just look at the packed crowd
04:20that came out to see him.
04:21Oh, my God, have you ever seen
04:23such a handful of people?
04:27It's very nice of Turning Point
04:29to institute COVID rules six years too late.
04:32But J.D...
04:38But J.D. Vance managed to inspire the crowd
04:41with his stirring message of,
04:43Please don't leave me.
04:45I recognize, uh, that-that a lot of young voters
04:49don't love the policy that we have in the Middle East.
04:52Okay? I understand that.
04:54What I'm saying is don't get disengaged
04:57because you disagree with the administration
04:59on one topic.
05:01Get more involved.
05:02Make your voice heard even more.
05:04That's how we ultimately take the country back.
05:08Yeah.
05:10That's right, J.D.
05:11It's time to take the country back from... yourself?
05:15Like, what...
05:17What are you talking about?
05:19Take-taking back from what?
05:21Republicans have everything.
05:23Republicans control-control the Congress,
05:25the White House, the Supreme Court,
05:26old media, social media.
05:28You even took a Kennedy.
05:30I mean...
05:32I mean, you can keep him, but you still took him.
05:35I-that...
05:36At this point...
05:39What?
05:42Like...
05:43You're fighting the establishment.
05:44You are the establishment, buddy.
05:46At this point, liberals are like,
05:48all we have left is blue sky and we hate that.
05:52But young conservatives aren't just mad at Trump
05:54because of the war.
05:55They're also mad about the thing he started the war
05:57to distract us from.
05:59The Epstein files.
06:01Yeah!
06:01Remember that?
06:02Yeah!
06:05Well, you know what?
06:06The streets still have questions.
06:08But J.D. Vance tried to bail Trump out of that one, too.
06:12When Donald Trump says...
06:13When the president says,
06:14this is a hoax,
06:15he's not saying it's a hoax that Epstein was the scumbag.
06:18He's saying this Democratic idea
06:20that somehow he was Epstein's best friend.
06:22Jeffrey Epstein hated Donald Trump.
06:24And Donald Trump hated Jeffrey Epstein.
06:28Yeah.
06:29Yeah.
06:30Yeah.
06:31Trump and Epstein always hated each other.
06:34We all remember that famous video of them.
06:37Everyone here is my friend.
06:39Except you.
06:40I hate you.
06:40I hate you, too.
06:42You're a sick pervert.
06:43I hate you so much.
06:45Go.
06:46Leave.
06:49Kill yourself.
06:52Case closed.
06:55But the...
06:59But the big issue J.D. Vance had to address
07:02was Donald Trump's week-long beef with the Pope,
07:05which is a completely normal sentence in 2026.
07:09You see, the Pope's position is that peace is good,
07:13and Donald Trump's position is that he is Jesus Christ.
07:17So J.D. Vance had to go out there in front of literally dozens of people
07:21and try to argue that the Pope was wrong and A.I. Jesus was right.
07:28The Pope's job is to preach the gospel.
07:30When the Pope says that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword,
07:35there is a thousand-year...
07:37more than a thousand-year tradition of just war theory.
07:41Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis?
07:46I think it's very, very important for the Pope to be careful
07:50when he talks about matters of theology.
07:52Yeah.
07:55Shut up!
07:57Shut up!
07:58Shut up!
07:59He's right.
08:00You've got to be careful when you talk about theology.
08:05Pope.
08:07Let-let me remind you guys
08:09that what the Pope basically said was,
08:12war is bad.
08:14That's not controversial, all right?
08:16It's literally the Pope's job to say things like that.
08:19That's like if Miss America wished for world peace
08:21and J.D. Vance burst on stage and was like,
08:23oh, yeah? Even with Hitler?
08:27Stay in your lane, bitch.
08:29This-this is what I don't get about guys like J.D. Vance.
08:32Okay?
08:32How come you have no problem when the Pope weighs in on abortion policy,
08:36but when he weighs in on your foreign policy, you freak out?
08:39I mean, wasn't assassinating the Ayatollah
08:41just a very, very, very late-term abortion?
08:44I mean, the...
08:45The man was in his 258th trimester, all right?
08:51But fine, the Pope said his thing, J.D. Vance said his thing,
08:54and let's just put this thing to bed, okay?
08:56No more Jesus stuff.
08:58President Trump just posted or reposted on his social media site
09:02a new image.
09:03The one today is him with Jesus.
09:07I-I think we have this here.
09:08Oh!
09:10Oh!
09:11Yeah.
09:13Yeah.
09:14Yeah, that-that, great.
09:15That'll calm things down.
09:17Nothing will ease religious tensions
09:19like posting an image of Jesus giving you a handjob.
09:22For more on the Trump administration's beef with the Pope,
09:27we go live to Washington with Grace Koolensmith.
09:35Grace.
09:36All right.
09:38Grace, why are you wearing that?
09:40Good question, my son.
09:42Let me explain.
09:44You see, President Trump can't convince Pope Leo,
09:48pussy,
09:49that the war in Iran would be supported by Jesus.
09:53Pussy.
09:55And that's where I come in, Ronnie Chang.
09:58Pussy, pussy, pussy.
10:01America needs its own religious leader,
10:03and I volunteer to be War Pope.
10:11No, War Pope?
10:14Yup.
10:15I'm, like, the regular Pope, but I'm down to sign off
10:18on whatever the Trump administration needs.
10:21Bombing Iran, invading Cuba,
10:23crop-dusting Greenlands.
10:25Whatever they want to do, the War Po-the War Pope
10:29will tell them it's certified Jesus fresh.
10:31Okay.
10:32Look.
10:33I don't think Jesus would approve of any of that.
10:36You think you know better than her excellence?
10:38You better watch your heathen mouth,
10:40or War Pope will slap you around
10:44with the holy anal beads of truth.
10:46Okay.
10:48Okay.
10:49Okay.
10:51Don't encourage that.
10:54Okay, wait.
10:55Why do you get to be War Pope?
10:57Because it was my idea.
10:58And as Jesus once said,
11:00if I can see it, then I can do it.
11:03If I just believe it, there's nothing to it.
11:08R. Kelly said that, and I believe I can fly.
11:12Yeah, Jesus was quoting R. Kelly.
11:15Point is, it was my idea.
11:17No one has ever had the idea to have a second pope.
11:21Uh, that actually happened in the 1300s.
11:24No, I mean, like, no political leader.
11:26That happened with Henry VIII.
11:27Yeah, but there's never been an American pope.
11:30The pope right now is American.
11:31Jesus Christ, you know what I mean.
11:35Malaysian Ken Jennings over here.
11:37I'm the first War Pope.
11:40Okay.
11:41Just to be clear,
11:42you would bless any military action
11:44that Trump wants to do.
11:46Um...
11:46Is the War Pope Catholic and horny?
11:49Hell yeah!
11:51War Pope!
11:54No!
11:57Okay.
11:59So even if it pushes gas prices to $10 a gallon,
12:03you support it.
12:05Whoa!
12:06What?
12:08No, wait.
12:08I can't afford that.
12:10The War Pope Mobile is a real gas guzzler.
12:12Okay.
12:12Well, it's not just gas.
12:14I mean, this war is pushing up food prices, too.
12:16Oh, my God.
12:17Beef prices are already so high,
12:19I've had to forego Sloppy Joe Fridays.
12:23This has been a tough time for the War Pope.
12:27Please...
12:27No, no, no.
12:28Please stop doing that.
12:30I...
12:30I don't know if War Pope can support this war.
12:33Yeah!
12:37I'll tell you what!
12:39I'll tell you what!
12:41Mega War Pope, Ken!
12:42Step aside, War Pope!
12:44Pussy!
12:46I got half the morals
12:48and twice the anal beads up my ass!
12:50Mega War Pope!
12:52Yeah!
12:56Okay, Mega War Pope,
12:58you don't mind war...
13:00war and gas at $10 a gallon?
13:02No!
13:03Mega War Pope drives a Prius!
13:04Yeah!
13:07War Pope and Mega War Pope, everybody.
13:09Oh, my God.
13:10This is terrible.
13:13When we come back,
13:14we find out where Trump gets his ideas
13:15to name things,
13:16so don't go away.
13:38Welcome back to The Daily Show.
13:39There's been some good news in the War of Iran.
13:42Trump hasn't been able to figure out
13:43how to open the Strait of Hormuz,
13:45but he is learning its name.
13:47You can call it the Strait of Hormuz
13:49or the Hormuz Strait.
13:51I said, which is better?
13:52They said, either is okay,
13:54but you can call it either one.
13:55The only thing you can't call it
13:57is the Trump Strait.
13:58They don't like that idea.
14:02Yeah, I mean, they don't usually name things
14:05after the guy who f***ed it up.
14:10Like, there's a reason they don't call
14:12downtown Manhattan Bin Ladenville.
14:15But, of course, Trump doesn't come up
14:18with these names all on his own.
14:19He's got a dedicated staff member to help him out,
14:21and we found that guy.
14:23They will list their most popular drugs
14:26on TrumpRx.gov.
14:31TrumpRx.gov.
14:32And I didn't name it that.
14:33Somebody named it that.
14:34What the f*** are you talking about?
14:36We said we were going to name it CheapMeds.gov.
14:39Lying asshole.
14:40Shit-head mother f***er.
14:43Trump!
14:43My name is Marco Glenwald III.
14:46I am the man President Trump hired to name things.
14:50Even though he never f***ing listens to me.
14:52He just names everything after himself.
14:54It's great!
15:00Yeah, so the latest project I've been working on
15:03is called, drumroll please.
15:06Baby bucks.
15:08These are government bank accounts
15:10for children born this year.
15:11I also liked Cash for Kids, but, you know,
15:14that kind of sounded a little less steamy.
15:16He's actually going to make the announcement right now.
15:20Under our bill, parents like Bacon
15:22can also activate their children's
15:24brand new Trump accounts.
15:26Trump accounts?
15:27I didn't name it.
15:28What does that have to do with kids, you dipshit?
15:31Why would he name it that?
15:33Nobody believes me, but I did not name it.
15:35Yes, you did!
15:37I didn't name it!
15:38I liked Baby Bucks!
15:43Damn it!
15:45The one thing this job has taught me
15:47is I do have some rage issues,
15:49which rears its ugly head quite often,
15:52because stuff like this
15:53happens every time I name something.
15:55A fast-track immigration visa
15:57is being dubbed the Trump Gold Card.
15:59Rename Palm Beach International Airport
16:01to Donald J. Trump International Airport.
16:04The Navy announced plans for a, quote,
16:07Trump class of battleships.
16:09Straight of Trump.
16:11A Trump coin.
16:12The recently renamed Donald J. Trump
16:14U.S. Institute of Peace.
16:19This is our filing room.
16:21I like to keep everything we name
16:22alphabetized and organized.
16:25This is A through S.
16:27U through Z.
16:28And this...
16:30is T!
16:33This is the Trump Institute for Peace.
16:36Trump Marine Mammal Commission.
16:38Trump Porta Potty Area
16:40at the Trump Rest Stop.
16:42It's an elevator.
16:43This is the Gen Alpha Amphibious Assault Fuel System
16:46now called the Trump Pump.
16:48Trump Haunted Pet Cemetery.
16:49Trump Square.
16:51Trump Triangle.
16:52The Trump Museum of Sex.
16:53The Trump Circle.
16:54Trump Rhombus.
16:55And Trump Eleanor Roosevelt House
16:58and Trump.
16:59He put that in twice.
17:00I'm sure that was a mistake.
17:02My therapist told me
17:04to accept things I cannot change,
17:06so my new strategy,
17:08give him what he wants.
17:11What's that, Mr. President?
17:12You want to rename the Kennedy Center?
17:15Well, I've got a great idea.
17:16How about just the Trump Center?
17:20The outside of the Kennedy Center changed tonight.
17:23Now the Trump Kennedy Center.
17:24The name is now left 24 hours after President Trump...
17:27The Trump Kennedy Center.
17:28...exposed to rename the center...
17:30It's the worst possible version.
17:31It's not a combination Taco Bell Pizza Hut.
17:38The good news is,
17:39I have some fraternity leave coming up.
17:42I'm really looking forward to the time off.
17:52Hello, sir.
17:54Yes, we already have a name for the baby.
17:57Oh, you have a suggestion.
17:59Please.
18:01Sir.
18:03I beg you.
18:06When we come back,
18:07Zoe and Mr. Jones will be joining me on the show,
18:09so don't go away.
18:29Welcome back to The Dairy Show.
18:31My guest tonight is a filmmaker and actor
18:34who stars in the Peacock series, The Miniature Wife.
18:37I have final say,
18:38when it comes to the...
18:41talent.
18:42The talent.
18:44Sure.
18:46But...
18:47my gut's a poke.
18:50You can't help yourself, can you?
18:53Neither can you.
18:58Poke, poke.
19:00Don't.
19:02Poke, poke.
19:03Do not.
19:05Poke, poke.
19:07Do not.
19:09What?
19:09I'm not touching you.
19:11Oh, you gonna go?
19:12Oh, really?
19:13Okay.
19:13Well, that's childish.
19:14Oh.
19:17Please welcome, Zoe Lister Jones.
19:38Sending ovation.
19:39Unbelievable.
19:40Unbelievable.
19:41Thanks, guys.
19:42So, uh, what is this project about?
19:50Um, I know.
19:52It's hard if you're...
19:53You don't have a lot of information on it.
19:54No context for this.
19:55Um...
19:56This project is about a couple who's in conflict,
19:59um, sort of in competition for power,
20:03um, and Matthew McFadyen plays, um,
20:07the husband of the couple,
20:08Elizabeth Banks plays the wife,
20:09and he's sort of a mad scientist
20:11and shrinks her.
20:12You know, your classic everyday couples squabble.
20:16Um, and, uh, and then she's six inches tall.
20:19And, um, the...
20:21And I play the sort of evil, um, scientist
20:25who is in charge of his lab.
20:28And...
20:29Yeah.
20:29I guess that's the...
20:30There's nothing...
20:31I don't think there's anything...
20:32Any other, like, characters to talk about or...
20:35Yeah.
20:36I mean, I feel like there are other characters on the show
20:38that also play the part.
20:40Oh, yes.
20:41Oh, for sure.
20:42Um, Shawn Clifford.
20:44Right.
20:44And, um...
20:45Oh, Sofia Rosinski plays the daughter.
20:47Right.
20:48Um...
20:49I feel like there was one other dude, like...
20:53Um...
20:54I feel like there was...
20:55OT.
20:56OT.
20:56Oh, my God, from The Handmaid's Tale.
20:58Yeah.
20:58Do you know that one?
20:59Unbelievable actor.
21:00There was, like, another dude,
21:01I think, from The Daily Show.
21:05I don't think Jordan Klepper...
21:06No.
21:08Unless he had a small part.
21:09No, no.
21:11Um...
21:12Ronnie.
21:13Ronnie Chang!
21:14Ronnie Chang!
21:19Actually, no.
21:20Actually, I was thinking of Asif Manvi.
21:22Asif Manvi.
21:23Asif Manvi.
21:24He's also on the show.
21:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:26Asif Manvi's on it.
21:27What was it, like, working with, uh,
21:30some of these cast members?
21:32Oh, really?
21:33Who's your favorite cast member?
21:34Um, who's my favorite?
21:36Who's my favorite?
21:37That's really a tough one.
21:38Um...
21:39Obviously, my boy, Ronnie Chang.
21:41Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:41I know.
21:42We had so much fun together.
21:43Yeah.
21:44And-and you're so good on the show, truly.
21:46And-and it was such a joy.
21:48Oh, okay.
21:48Why don't you just ask me more questions about it?
21:50Since, yeah.
21:51Oh, okay.
21:51I'm not doing any press on this show.
21:53Okay.
21:53I guess it's real, yeah.
21:54Okay, great.
21:55Um, welcome back, uh, to The Daily Show.
21:58I'm here with Ronnie Chang.
22:03Um...
22:04He plays...
22:05I play...
22:05I play Hilton Smith on this.
22:07Okay.
22:08Beautiful.
22:08Tell us a little bit about Hilton Smith.
22:10Yeah, he's, for some reason, he's Asian,
22:11but he has a white last name.
22:13Mm.
22:14That's...
22:14Yep.
22:15That's something.
22:15Real switcheroo.
22:16Uh...
22:17Yeah.
22:18He's, uh, yeah, he's a big evil guy
22:21who's trying to take over the technology...
22:23...for shrinking wives.
22:26It's fine that he sees a lot of money in that product.
22:29And by the way...
22:30Yeah.
22:30Yikes.
22:31Um, yeah.
22:32So the whole show is like, I don't know what...
22:33You know, I only read, uh...
22:35I only read my lines,
22:36so I don't know what happened.
22:37I'll tell you.
22:38He's a very generous scene partner in that way.
22:40Yeah.
22:40But the whole...
22:41I feel like the whole show is like a metaphor
22:43for, you know, being in relationships
22:45and someone else, like, um, becoming subservient
22:50in their own career...
22:51Yes.
22:52...to support the other partner
22:53who is... who is maybe doing well in their career.
22:56Yeah.
22:56And, I mean, I don't know...
22:58I guess in this case,
22:59it's a direct metaphor of someone shrinking their wife,
23:01so...
23:01Yeah.
23:02They feel small in the relationship.
23:03Yeah, totally.
23:04I mean, it's like, I...
23:05Obviously, I don't personally know
23:07what it's like to feel minimized
23:09in any relationship, professional or personal.
23:11I'm just sort of...
23:13Um, but I know a lot of people do.
23:16So, I know...
23:17So, I think the metaphor is...
23:18It's... it's, like, so potent, you know?
23:20Sure.
23:20And it's so funny, I think,
23:22to look at power dynamics in a relationship
23:24through this really fantastical lens.
23:26Yeah.
23:27And, I mean, I guess,
23:27do you feel like that's the case?
23:29Like, do you feel like in relationships,
23:30you can be win-win?
23:32Or do you feel that's just a natural...
23:35You hope.
23:36You really do hope, uh,
23:37that you can be win-win.
23:39Yeah.
23:39I mean, I do think in this scenario,
23:41what I really love about it is, like,
23:42the sort of, um, dynamics around power
23:46and notoriety.
23:48And I do think that those things
23:50do come up a lot in-in relationships,
23:53in romantic relationships,
23:54of, like, okay, it's my turn now to work
23:56and to be in the spotlight,
23:58and then you get your turn.
23:59But when...
24:00When that imbalance is, like, out of whack,
24:03I think things go a little nutty.
24:06Right.
24:06Yeah.
24:06Which is what this show is about.
24:08I mean, again, uh, Elizabeth Banks
24:10in this TV show gets shrunk to...
24:12Yeah.
24:12You know, and when I first read the...
24:14the script for it, I was like,
24:15oh, this is Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
24:18Yeah.
24:20But...
24:20It's... yeah.
24:20...in a relationship.
24:21Yeah.
24:21Instead of, uh, yeah, I shrunk my wife.
24:23Honey, I shrunk my wife.
24:24Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:25But...
24:26Yeah.
24:26It sort of meets, like, War of the Roses.
24:29Yeah.
24:29It's like a...
24:30They're really going at each other.
24:31Yeah.
24:32Yeah, which is fun.
24:33And... and even though she's tiny,
24:35she is mighty.
24:36Right.
24:37Yeah, so...
24:37Right.
24:38And they brought you on,
24:39and was it like, um, you know,
24:41when you first joined the project,
24:43was I working with, um, Mr. McFadden?
24:46And...
24:46Matthew McFadden is a dream.
24:49I mean, I was such a fan of his.
24:50Like, Succession and...
24:51Yeah.
24:51And obviously Mr. Darcy,
24:53like, don't get me started.
24:54Yeah.
24:54Um, but no, I mean, he's just the most fun.
24:56We had so much fun together in our lab.
24:59Yeah.
24:59Um, it was kind of...
25:00It felt like theater camp.
25:01Like, we were all just, like,
25:02hanging in the green room.
25:03He is a remarkably down-to-earth guy, I will say.
25:06Yes.
25:06He's super down-to-earth.
25:07Yeah, doesn't take any of it too seriously,
25:10but, like, is the most...
25:11It takes the work very seriously.
25:11Exactly, but is the most brilliant actor
25:13and delivers.
25:14But doesn't care about social media.
25:15Anyway, enough about that.
25:17He's not even here.
25:18It's about you.
25:18Speaking of theater camp,
25:19what was interesting was,
25:21when I was around you guys,
25:22I can tell, like, all of you guys are like...
25:23You and Matthew are, like, trained actors.
25:26And whenever I ask you guys about process on set,
25:29because I'm always trying to learn from other people,
25:30you guys always brush it off like it's nothing?
25:32You guys are always brushing off your skill sets?
25:34Like, what do you mean?
25:35We don't...
25:35I was like, so, acting school,
25:37what did they drill into?
25:38Yeah.
25:39And you guys literally told me, like, acting school was terrible.
25:42It was.
25:43It was.
25:44But that can't be true,
25:45because you guys are so good,
25:46so obviously you got something from it.
25:47Oh, man.
25:47I guess.
25:48I mean, I don't know.
25:50Acting school is...
25:51It's a traumatic experience for many.
25:55I mean, just to set it up,
25:56you and Matthew are basically classically trained actors, right?
25:59Yeah, I mean, he studied at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts full-time.
26:02I went to NYU to conservatory,
26:04but then I studied at RADA in London also.
26:08So...
26:08And OT also studied there,
26:09so there were a number of us.
26:10Um, and I mean, like, obviously there's so much to learn.
26:13Like, especially with Shakespeare,
26:14there's so much, like, text analysis.
26:16Is this interesting?
26:17Yes.
26:18To, um...
26:19People care about process.
26:20Okay, okay.
26:20People care about process.
26:21They care about process than...
26:22Okay.
26:23There's, like, text analysis that I think is really...
26:25They care about process than, like,
26:26hey, what's it like being a woman in Hollywood?
26:27Yeah.
26:28Yeah.
26:28Sucks.
26:30Um...
26:31No, but the...
26:32I think, like, the text analysis is really interesting
26:34because with something like this, you know,
26:36like, each of our characters,
26:38every character on this show, they're grounded,
26:40but they're also sort of arch in a really fun way.
26:42Like, it's a stylized show.
26:43It's a comedy.
26:44Um, and so we got to sort of play, like, with, like,
26:47take big swings, I think, with our characters.
26:49Which is really fun.
26:50And as a comedian, that's something that,
26:52you know, you get to do.
26:53But I think you also get so many clues,
26:56like, in the dialogue of, like,
26:57oh, no, here's where maybe I'm taking a smaller swing.
27:00Yes.
27:00And I think that does come from training.
27:02But I don't think you need any training.
27:04And I know I'm serious, because, like,
27:06sometimes training can beat the instincts out of you.
27:09Uh...
27:09Because you can get in your head,
27:10and you're so instinctual.
27:11I don't know.
27:12I get...
27:13Being a...
27:13Being a asshole comes very natural to me.
27:16But...
27:17But to play on...
27:18But, like, to do what you guys...
27:20Anyway, I was learning a lot,
27:21so I was curious about what I was missing out.
27:22But by not going to acting school.
27:24You're missing nothing.
27:25You've gained, like,
27:27hundreds of thousands of dollars.
27:28Yeah.
27:31I went to...
27:31I went to law school instead,
27:32so I lost the hundreds of dollars.
27:34Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
27:35Um, yeah.
27:36And people also don't...
27:37Don't...
27:37I don't think enough people know
27:38that you're, like, a filmmaker in your own right.
27:40Oh.
27:40Yeah.
27:41Yeah.
27:41You're acting and directing.
27:42She makes her own stuff.
27:45She makes her own stuff.
27:46And, I mean, uh,
27:47you know,
27:48I'm talking about process.
27:49Like, I guess you have...
27:51What I love is the perspective of people
27:53who are kind of, you know,
27:55my age and below,
27:57who have made...
27:58actually made films on screen.
27:59Mm.
28:00Because as someone who's made it,
28:01you know how difficult it is.
28:02Yeah.
28:02I've only been lucky to be part
28:04of other people's projects,
28:05and even then I see how difficult it is
28:07to get anything actually made.
28:09Yeah.
28:09Like, every film is truly a miracle
28:10that is made.
28:11Truly.
28:12Regardless of how you feel about it.
28:13Yeah.
28:13I'm like, man, this is a miracle.
28:15Yeah.
28:15So, I don't know if you can give some perspectives
28:17about being a filmmaker,
28:18like, in your 30s,
28:19and what was that like
28:20to get something on screen and...
28:21Oh, man.
28:22I mean, I started making
28:24micro-budget indie films.
28:25Like, the first film that I made,
28:28um, was $15,000.
28:30So, it was, like, a really tiny budget.
28:32And that, in terms of, like,
28:33what movies are made for is really...
28:35What year was that?
28:36I mean, that was 2008.
28:37Wow.
28:37Um, and so, like, that was really bootcamp
28:40in terms of learning how to make things
28:42on a shoestring budget
28:43and just with, like, sweat equity.
28:45Yeah.
28:45Um, and I sort of continued doing that
28:48throughout my career.
28:49Um, I think it...
28:52The industry has changed.
28:54It's, like, contracted a lot,
28:55so I think that it's a little bit less feasible
28:57to do really micro-budget indies anymore.
29:01Oh, damn.
29:01Um, which is sad.
29:03That's very bad news.
29:03It is bad news.
29:04But my hope is that, like,
29:06from contraction, like, comes expansion,
29:08like, sort of as a response to it,
29:11that we're like, no, we're making these movies
29:12and we're gonna, like, come hell or high water,
29:14like, get back into it.
29:15Okay.
29:15So, like, if some kid was trying
29:17to make something right now, you know,
29:18all these film school girls
29:22watching this right now, you know?
29:23Okay, sure.
29:24Like, how would they...
29:25I mean, what would you say, you know,
29:27to...
29:27What would you advise them to do
29:29to make a film...
29:30to get a film made right now?
29:31I mean, have a really good script
29:33and then make it with your friends
29:35and just, like...
29:37Yeah, I think...
29:38I always think when you're making art,
29:40if you think too much about
29:42the reception of the art,
29:44you're gonna fail.
29:46Like, I think you have to make the art
29:48that you want to make
29:49without any, um, concessions.
29:52Yeah, you have to not give a .
29:54Yeah, and the beauty
29:55of making something small
29:56is that you don't have
29:56other cooks in the kitchen.
29:58So, like, really tell the story
30:00you want to tell unapologetically.
30:02Right.
30:03And, um...
30:04And then, you know,
30:05hopefully that opens doors.
30:06But, um...
30:07But, yeah.
30:08Just go make the shit.
30:09Just make it, yeah.
30:10Yeah.
30:11I mean...
30:13I mean, speaking of...
30:19So, making shit,
30:20I mean, you...
30:20That's literally what you want to do.
30:22You want to go make a lot of stuff,
30:23make all these, um, short films.
30:25You make indie feature films.
30:27You even made your own TV series.
30:29I did, yeah.
30:29With Roku.
30:30Yeah.
30:30It was the first...
30:31It was called The Slip.
30:32Slip, yeah.
30:33And it... Sorry, Slip.
30:34And it was...
30:35I think, if I'm recording correctly,
30:37it was the first TV show
30:38to be written, directed, starred,
30:40and crewed by all women.
30:43Well, hold on.
30:44Don't clap yet.
30:46Okay.
30:46I made a movie called Band-Aid
30:48that was my directorial debut.
30:50That was the first movie
30:51to be crewed by entirely women.
30:54And that was a miracle in and of itself
30:58and just the most incredible artistic experience.
31:01But Slip, I believe, was the first TV show
31:04to, um, have a woman write, direct, and star
31:07in every episode of a season, which I did.
31:09And that was you.
31:10And that was me.
31:10And that woman was you.
31:11Yeah.
31:13And you...
31:14And you did this...
31:16And you did this, like,
31:17it was during the pandemic, right?
31:19Um, Slip was, like, right...
31:21I wrote it in the pandemic,
31:22and then, um, and then we shot it
31:24right towards the end of the pandemic.
31:25Um, and it...
31:27It's a wild concept.
31:29It's about a woman who, um,
31:33basically is, like, stuck in her marriage,
31:35uh, and then has a lapse in judgment,
31:37sleeps with someone one night, uh,
31:40and then wakes up the next morning
31:41to discover that she is now married
31:43to her one-night stand.
31:44And over the course of the series,
31:47she-she learns that through orgasm,
31:49she's teleporting to parallel universes.
31:53Um...
31:55So...
31:56Good.
32:00That...
32:02They're just applauding our orgasms.
32:05As you should.
32:07Yes.
32:07As you should.
32:08But, I mean, um,
32:10it came out a few years ago,
32:10and then f***ing assholes at Roku
32:13did not, like, they...
32:14It became, like, a tax write-off
32:15or something,
32:16and then they took the show off,
32:17so you put in all this effort.
32:19Yeah.
32:19You won an award for it, by the way.
32:21Uh, it was nominated
32:22for two Indie Spirit Awards
32:23for Best New Series
32:25and Best Lead Performance,
32:26and we were, like, next to Beef
32:27and The Last of Us,
32:28and it was just, like,
32:29the coolest thing ever,
32:30and then Roku removed it
32:32from the platform, yeah,
32:33for a tax write-off.
32:34So then it just was...
32:35No, but you...
32:36I think they removed it
32:37before you got the...
32:37They removed it
32:38before we even got to the awards show,
32:40so we were there being like,
32:41I guess we're celebrating.
32:43I...
32:44Yeah, it was...
32:44It was so heartbreaking,
32:46and truly, like,
32:47one of the great,
32:48great artistic heartaches.
32:49But now there's a redemption story.
32:52Oh, right.
32:53So the reason...
32:54You guys don't even know the story.
32:56You have problems.
32:57They love redemption.
32:58They love orgasms.
32:59Yeah.
32:59Let them live.
33:01That's how charming you are.
33:02These guys just...
33:03You have them around your finger.
33:04They don't even know
33:04what the redemption is.
33:06So to be clear...
33:07Yes.
33:07...you freaking made the show.
33:08You put...
33:08You wrote it, you directed it,
33:10you starred in it,
33:10which, by the way,
33:11takes a ton of effort,
33:12in case people don't know.
33:13You put your heart and soul
33:14into each episode,
33:15every line of dialogue.
33:16You actually get to make
33:17the thing.
33:18You win an award for it,
33:19and as you're accepting the award,
33:21the whole show is being taken
33:22off the goddamn platform.
33:24And you're like,
33:25okay, well, you know,
33:27congrats to us.
33:28I guess we won something.
33:29Yeah.
33:30And then it's been off the air
33:31for, like, two years, I guess.
33:32Yeah, and I've literally been,
33:34like, on the street corner,
33:35being like,
33:35you want a Dropbox, Link?
33:36Does anyone, like...
33:38Trying to airdrop episodes
33:39on the subway.
33:40Yeah, like, we can just touch phones.
33:41Um...
33:41Yeah.
33:42But...
33:43But now,
33:45Beautiful Peacock, um,
33:46is-is going to stream it
33:48starting April...
33:48starting April 20th.
33:50So...
33:51Um...
33:52Yeah.
33:53Yeah.
33:55It's just...
33:55It's just...
33:56It's just weird thing that...
33:57There's so much content now
33:59that we don't, you know...
34:00Things get made,
34:01and they come and they go,
34:02and the promo cycle is, like,
34:04three days,
34:05and then Trump will...
34:06will do something,
34:07and then, you know,
34:08the Pope will come in,
34:09and Epstein will resurrect,
34:11and then it's like,
34:11what, did we...
34:12Yeah.
34:13Yeah, totally.
34:13Yeah, but now you have a chance
34:15to kind of show people this thing.
34:16Yes.
34:16And it's not even about...
34:17I don't want to speak for you,
34:18but speaking as someone
34:19who's made a TV show as well,
34:20it's like, at some point,
34:21it's not even about money.
34:22Oh, no.
34:23It's just like,
34:23you really believe in what...
34:24It's artistic expression.
34:26It's like, you made this thing
34:26that's super cool,
34:27you just want people to see it.
34:28Yeah, totally.
34:28It's not even about fame,
34:29or money, or likes.
34:30It's like,
34:30hey, guys, I made this thing.
34:31I think it's really cool.
34:33It-it kinda didn't get
34:34its fair shake of the stick.
34:37And, um, now it's on a platform.
34:38Not that...
34:39Not that anyone owes us
34:40a f-ing platform.
34:41I'm just saying that,
34:41we made this thing already.
34:43Yeah.
34:43Can people at least
34:44have the chance to see it?
34:45Yeah, totally.
34:45I think, and also,
34:47like you said, like, this...
34:52It doesn't take time to really,
34:53you know, find their audience,
34:55and-and especially
34:56when they don't have
34:56a big marketing budget.
34:57So I'm just so excited,
34:59um, that every single person
35:00in this audience
35:01will be watching on April 20th.
35:03So it's...
35:03Yeah, check it out.
35:05Check it out.
35:06Oh, yeah.
35:09I mean, you...
35:10What's also interesting
35:11is that you also came
35:12from a family of artists.
35:13Mm-hmm.
35:13Right, your m-your father,
35:15your mother is a visual artist.
35:16And I-I think, like,
35:17a lot of her themes deal with...
35:19your mother's themes
35:20in her work, um,
35:22dealt with time a lot.
35:23Mm.
35:24And a lot of your personal work
35:26just happens to touch
35:27a lot with time.
35:28I mean, Slip...
35:29Yes.
35:29...is, uh, going through
35:31the multiverse through orgasms.
35:33Yeah.
35:34Uh, you...
35:34Your classic.
35:36Yeah, classic.
35:37Classic narrative, yeah.
35:38I think you wrote and directed
35:39the reboot of The Craft,
35:40which I think also had time in it.
35:42Yeah.
35:42Like, a lot of your projects
35:43deal with time, right?
35:44Do you think that-that's
35:45coming from your mom,
35:46or what?
35:47Well, I want to shout out my mom.
35:49She's in the audience.
35:49Yeah, my mom's in the audience right now.
36:01Um...
36:01Yeah.
36:02So lovely.
36:02I know.
36:03It's the best, yeah.
36:05Um...
36:05Yeah, my mom is-is a video artist.
36:08My dad is a conceptual photographer,
36:09and you can look those things up
36:11on the internet later.
36:12But, um...
36:13But, no, I-I think my mom especially,
36:15like, her work, um,
36:18it was more experimental,
36:19but, like, it was-I was really exposed
36:21to, um, very interesting,
36:23sort of, feminist filmmaking
36:25from a young age.
36:26She was a part of a feminist
36:28film collective,
36:28and so I think I learned so much
36:30even about process, um, also from her.
36:33But, um, but I-yeah, I guess
36:35I am really interested in time.
36:37I guess I'm interested in, like,
36:38human suffering and-
36:39that relates to time,
36:41um, because it takes time
36:42to really dig into it, um,
36:45and, uh, and I made this-this film
36:47also called How It Ends,
36:48which is about, like, um,
36:50the last day on Earth
36:51when I'm, like, traversing L.A.
36:52with my younger self.
36:53And-and so, like,
36:55all of these sort of ways, I think,
36:56to look at, like, the human experience
36:59and modern relationships
37:00through the lens of, um,
37:03I don't know, like, I guess time.
37:06You know, you brought this up
37:07to me on set, and I was like,
37:08I've never thought of that before.
37:10And so I love that, like,
37:12you sort of, like, um,
37:13looked at the holistic picture
37:15and were like, this is the theme
37:16of your-of your life's work.
37:18Yeah.
37:18And I was like, okay.
37:19Yes, it is.
37:20Yeah.
37:20You didn't realize it,
37:21but you became your mom.
37:25Thank you, Ronnie.
37:26Thank you, Ronnie.
37:27She's lovely.
37:28Proud to.
37:28Proud to become her.
37:30Yeah.
37:31Mom.
37:31Hey, Mom.
37:32Your daughter-your daughter is great.
37:34She's great on set.
37:36She went through so much crap
37:37and was-was never bitter.
37:40Was never bitter about any of that.
37:41I'm more bitter about this shit
37:43than she is.
37:44You know?
37:45So you-your daughter's awesome.
37:46And so...
37:47Thanks, Ronnie.
37:48I'm sure you're awesome as well.
37:49That's why...
37:49She's awesome. She's awesome.
37:50And you're awesome.
37:51No, I'm okay.
37:51And if your parents were here,
37:53I would tell them that.
37:53Yeah.
37:55But, uh, yeah, I'm really happy
37:56with this, uh, project Pea-
37:58Uh, Me and Your Wife, how it came out.
38:00Me too.
38:00And you're so great in it.
38:01As are you.
38:02And it was so much fun.
38:03I think you-I think you take the-
38:04You steal every scene in the show.
38:06So, anyway, thanks for-
38:07Thanks for coming on the show,
38:08and you're the best, man.
38:11The Me and Your Wife
38:11is streaming now on Peacock.
38:13And Slip
38:14will be available to stream
38:15on Peacock as well.
38:16April 20th.
38:17Zoey, Mr. Jones.
38:18We're gonna take a quick break.
38:20We'll be right back after this.
38:33Hey, that's our show for tonight.
38:35Now, here it is.
38:36Your moment of zen.
38:38Are we getting, uh, Mexican Coke?
38:41The stuff with the cane sugar?
38:42I think we should, actually.
38:43Come on, RFK Jr.
38:44Let's get it.
38:45Let's get some real sugar in that Coke.
38:47And I like it in the glass bottles.
38:47More drinks should be served in glass
38:49versus plastic or metal.
38:51Classy.
38:51And a man should never drink out of a bottle.
38:54He should always drink out of a glass.
38:55Is that really your philosophy?
38:57I learned it, and now I'm just repeating it.
38:59Oh, so you were made fun of-
39:00This is a lot of my job.
39:01I hear things and I say it.
39:02No, that's okay.
39:06Sorry.
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