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00:00As we go to the phone line and we welcome in a man who won a Super Bowl as a
00:05scout for the Green Bay Packers
00:06and has been a scout for a number of other teams.
00:08In fact, he's also brought along a lot of media draft scouts, a proud LSU alum,
00:13and a dude who makes a damn good pot of crawfish.
00:15How about that?
00:16It's my guy, Brian Broaddus.
00:17Broaddus, what's happening, man?
00:19Doing well, boys.
00:20Thank you so much for having me today.
00:21Really appreciate you being, let me be a part of this one.
00:24Oh, man.
00:25Thanks is all ours.
00:26We always appreciate you making us a part of your day, giving us a little bit of your time,
00:30just to clarify, I want to make sure.
00:32Packers, Eagles, Cowboys, was there any other scouting services?
00:36Jags.
00:37Jags.
00:38Yeah, Tom Coughlin antagonized Tom Coughlin for a year.
00:43So, yeah.
00:44And so, yeah, I've been real fortunate in my life.
00:47I've been with some coaches that will antagonize you, Bill Parcells, and then, you know,
00:52Tom Coughlin, and then Gary Patterson at TCU antagonized me quite a bit, too.
00:57So, yeah, I've been with some fiery personalities that really do believe in personnel and how
01:04personnel boards and stuff are structured.
01:06So, yeah, I had a pretty good run doing that kind of stuff.
01:10Yeah, so you've been around the block.
01:12You've seen a lot of this.
01:13The question I wanted to start with, because I know here in Houston, notorious for having
01:17kind of a smaller board.
01:18What is the average size of a draft board, especially at this time of your heading into
01:22the draft?
01:22You know what, I subscribe.
01:25If you're telling me that Houston does have a smaller board, that's how I was brought up
01:30in Green Bay.
01:31We would go to battle, and, you know, there was a couple of times.
01:36Well, we only had one time.
01:37My very first year, we did a 12-round draft.
01:41That was the only one.
01:42And then they switched it after that, after my first year in 92.
01:46And then, so, yeah, it's a, but the smaller the board, I think the better.
01:52And I, like I said, I grew up in Green Bay doing it that way.
01:56And I came to the Cowboys, and I remember my boss, Larry Latesville, at the time, they
02:01were doing a board that had well over 300 guys on the board.
02:04And then I showed them that, you know, I did the draft in Philly in 98.
02:08I think I had 125 players on the board.
02:12And everybody was like, man, you're going to run out of names.
02:15And I'm like, no, watch this.
02:18And sure enough, we, everywhere I've ever been, and we've had the small boards, we could
02:23have drafted one more player.
02:24You know, we had enough players left over.
02:27So, on the average, and really, those are the guys you go after, like in post-draft free
02:34agency, you always try and go get the guys that are still on your draft board.
02:38You know, if you've got a sixth or seventh round guy sitting there, you know, we did
02:42that with Tony Romo back in the day.
02:44We, you know, he was, had a fifth round grade on our board.
02:48And, you know, Sean Payton was trying like hell to get us to draft him, and we just couldn't
02:52get there.
02:53And, and, you know, after the draft, you know, we started picking off names off your draft
02:58board.
02:59So, you know, you might say you might have six, seven picks, but then if you, if you get
03:04two or three guys off your draft board, well, it's kind of like you had nine picks.
03:08So, yeah, it's, it's a, it's just a good way to operate.
03:11I think what happens guys is when you have a smaller board and the names start coming
03:16off, it, it really focuses you on where you need to go.
03:20You know, you have your stack, which, you know, maybe you have your players from one
03:24to one 50, the stack starts to get eliminated.
03:27And then the, the positional board by round starts getting eliminated and it's real clear
03:33who the player you need to, to go out.
03:36It, if you do your board the right way and you don't window dress it and put the players
03:40there where you're supposed to take them or where you want to take them, you can have
03:44some really good drafts doing this stuff.
03:45You know, Brian, I'm really curious because, you know, everybody knows about talks about
03:49team needs and the, the Texans going into free agency were very clearly offensive line
03:56and, and a couple of other spots, but very clearly offensive line.
03:59They've answered a lot of those.
04:00And I'm just curious what advantage of any, other than, you know, obviously you can maybe
04:05leave some teams guessing, but what, what advantages does that maybe give the Texans or a team
04:10in terms of how they look at their board now?
04:14Well, yeah, you know, free agency.
04:16And that's the thing that we've been kind of screaming at with the Cowboys is that, you
04:21know, Dallas likes to pride itself on drafting and, and, and developing players.
04:28And I know we're at Houston radio station now, so my apologies for talking about the
04:32Cowboys here, but I'm just trying to give you an idea that, you know, Dallas was always
04:37a draft and develop drafts on your own, that kind of thing.
04:41And they never really played in free agency all that much.
04:44They liked the bottom fish, you know, and really go, we'll get a $2 million player here,
04:48you know, $1 million player here, you know, but if you do free agency the right way, and
04:55I'm not talking about going out and spending, you know, $50 million for a player right off
05:00the jump.
05:00I mean, it's nice to be able to do that if you have the ability, but you know, yeah,
05:05if you, if you, at least if you go into free agency and knock off a couple of positions,
05:10I'll tell you another good Avenue now is, is using trades to be able to do that.
05:15You know, if you have the draft capital to be able to, and if you get compensatory as
05:19you can move those around now, so that'll help you, you know, we get a lot of these teams
05:25around the league that, you know, they got, they got scouts that are general managers and,
05:29you know, and they're sitting there thinking about, you know, give me picks, give me picks,
05:33give me picks.
05:34And you can kind of get away with that.
05:36You know, if you get a new general manager, like for example, John Eric Sullivan down there
05:40in Miami, there's teams with new general managers.
05:43So I would use the trade game, but free agency is a really good tool to be able to kind
05:50of
05:50knock off.
05:51And if you have an idea of where the draft might be a little deep, well, maybe you say,
05:57listen, we need to think about, you know, going into free agency because we're not going to
06:01be able to grab a guy.
06:03You know, if you're talking about a corner or an edge you know, those are positions this
06:08year, safety is a really good position.
06:11You know, you can say, Hey, we'll draft those guys.
06:13But if you get a position that you don't feel like there's a lot of depth, you know, maybe
06:17that's the route you need to go.
06:19It's an advantage if you can pull it off.
06:20We're talking to Brian Broaddus, a Superbowl winning scout here in loop on sports radio
06:2416.
06:24And mind you, we have a nice Texans helmet here where I have to put money in whenever
06:28I mentioned Dallas on accident.
06:31I'm covering you on that one.
06:33I just want you to know I'm covering you.
06:34Well, I appreciate it.
06:35And again, I know damn good and well.
06:37I mean, that's a, you know, you guys, I mean, really you look at the, the way you guys
06:42are built down there and the way you play defense.
06:45I mean, that's just super impressive.
06:47The job that the Texans have actually done, you know, with their roster.
06:51I'm very, as a team building guy who studies this stuff, I'm very, very impressed with,
06:55with how that's all put together.
06:57I'm glad you mentioned that because this is an interesting thing when it comes to the draft.
07:00Obviously it's easy to go.
07:01That defense is great and just add on offense, but there's places where they need to fill in.
07:05And one of those is kind of linebacker and this guy, when his name's come up, it makes
07:09me think of you because you're an LSU alum.
07:12Harold Perkins is a guy that maybe people are looking at.
07:14Could he end up with the Texans?
07:16What do you see from him?
07:17Like on an NFL level?
07:18Cause I know what LSU, there wasn't really a clear consensus on what he is and how he
07:22is to be played.
07:23Yeah.
07:24I'm about to offend all my brothers and sisters that graduated from LSU.
07:29And because our alumni base is the largest in the city there at Houston.
07:34So yeah, you mean, listen, this was, and I think people would agree with me on this,
07:39watching Harold Perkins play.
07:40It was the most misused player I've seen in the history of LSU.
07:45Seriously.
07:46I mean, and I go all the way, I played there, you know, 80, 1982, that's how far back I
07:51go to LSU.
07:52And so, you know, I, Harold Perkins, when he came in and use using Harold Perkins as a
08:00guy that could play the edge and listen, he's not the prototypical looking edge, but where
08:06he gets you is his ability to break down blockers.
08:10He gives you no hitting surface.
08:11Um, he's a guy that he, he knows how to win with first step explosive quickness.
08:17He could dip underneath you.
08:19He could retrace his steps.
08:20You know, there's just so many things about Harold Perkins, you know, and he would, he'd
08:25be an absolute fit for the style of defense you guys play.
08:28Now, if you're asking Harold Perkins to be drop guy and playing coverage and all that
08:34stuff, that's, so that's a whole different thing.
08:37And I think teams are kind of, you know, looking at him and say, well, he's too
08:41light to play on the edge.
08:43He's, you know, you don't want to drop him, but man, you talk about some situational stuff
08:48that you get into nowadays, uh, with these way, these offenses attack you.
08:53Harold Perkins is not bad to have as that extra rusher.
08:57Uh, you know, yeah, you could, you could have him stand up.
09:00He, you know, he's not going to be a hand down guy.
09:02He's going to, he's going to rush you standing up because he's just so explosive.
09:07So yeah, I, I'm, it's just one of the biggest misuses of talent.
09:10I'll never forget games where it's on the line, Mississippi is trying to drive for the
09:15winning touchdown and Harold Perkins is dropping into coverage, covering nobody.
09:20And I'm just screaming at the TV, you know, about it.
09:24And, uh, but these coaches, the really good ones, and you guys got a good set of them down
09:29there.
09:29Uh, you know, they figure out ways to use their players to take full advantage of that.
09:34So when you are talking about the Texans, uh, a lot of times it's mentioned, uh, offensive
09:39line still and defensive tackle still, uh, you know, how deep are those two positions
09:45in terms of, uh, you know, first round number 28 overall talent for you?
09:50Yeah, there's the, now this is where we kind of get in trouble because you tell people,
09:55well, I've got a second round grade on a guy when actuality he gets picked in the first
09:59round now, traditionally you'll have somewhere between 18 and say 22 first round grades.
10:07Traditionally, you know, every year it fluctuates, but those are kind of where the numbers fall.
10:12You know, this year is one of those rare drafts where you have 13 there's there's, I've talked
10:17to teams that have 11 first round grades.
10:20So basically player 12 on someone's board is considered a second round player, even though
10:28they're going to get taken somewhere in the middle of the draft or late in the draft.
10:32So when you hear me talk about you, I say, well, I've got a second round grade on him.
10:36Well, does he, is he, is he, that tells you that he falls outside your 13 guys that you
10:43have in the first round, but they are going to get taken.
10:46So to me that, you know, we defensive tackle is a very, very, very deep position and it's
10:52very deep for, if you're looking for, you know, the 320 pound guy, there's, there's
10:57several of those guys that you could, you could, you can take from, there's some really talented
11:03guys to, and later rounds that we like the, you know, the three techniques or those guys
11:07that play the tackle position outside shoulder, you know, you've got some guys that can play
11:12the three, four tackles that are like, they can play as ends, but we would call a four
11:18eye or they can play inside the tackle or head up on the tackle.
11:22So yeah, this, this draft has got that type of player.
11:26If you guys figure out the offensive line group, let me know.
11:29Okay.
11:30Because that's, that's right now.
11:32I think this is one of those years where it's really kind of funny.
11:37You know, I, I, I think of a guy like Monroe Freeling from Georgia and the first time I
11:43ever saw him play Monroe Freeling play at Georgia.
11:48Well, the first time I ever saw his name, Dane Brugler did a mock draft, very first one
11:53early in the campaign that had him going 25.
11:56And I went, who is this?
11:59You know, I've looked at, I've looked at these tackles, but who is this guy?
12:02So all of a sudden now I'm thinking, okay, well, this guy's got, you know, second round,
12:07third round kind of ability, but also we're talking about him at six overall to Cleveland
12:12and I'm going, okay, this is not a good year to be doing this.
12:17So yeah, I'm not saying that, and guys will figure it out.
12:22I mean, teams, the really good draft and teams will sort it out.
12:25I mean, I think what's happening and this is especially again, Reggie put a dollar in the
12:30jar, Dallas is looking at something right now where, you know, they're, they're hopeful
12:35that some offensive linemen go ahead of them at 12 and, but all these teams want to bail,
12:41like all these teams that are need offensive linemen are wanting to bail out of that spot
12:46because they don't feel comfortable taking a Monroe Freeling at six, if you're Cleveland.
12:52So everybody wants to bail.
12:54And that's where now, you know, when usually with offensive linemen, you'll stand in there
12:59and pick, I mean, if I had to pick an offensive lineman, Malinoa from Miami would be the best
13:04guy out of my group.
13:05I mean, I think him and Downs are two of the safest players in this draft, but, but that's
13:10where I think you're at right now, trying to kind of sort out, is this guy a tackle?
13:15Is he a guard?
13:17Is he, is he, you know, is he a center?
13:19Is a guard center?
13:19What, what is, what are these guys?
13:21There are a lot of undersized centers, a lot of 300 pound centers, which is kind of unusual
13:27to have.
13:28So yeah, good luck with all that boys.
13:31Really good luck.
13:32We're talking to Brian Broadus here in loop on sports radio, 610, a Superbowl winning scout
13:35of media draft scout.
13:37And he's, he's paved the way for a lot of your favorite media draft stouts, including
13:40one of my favorites, Dane Brugler.
13:42You were mentioning, you know, kind of some of these offensive linemen.
13:46Honestly, I'm wondering if some of the better ways to go might be getting some of these guys
13:50who were rough around the edges and seeing if you could project them forward as opposed
13:53to some of these others guys.
13:54But around that center position, that's something that is very particular for the Texans.
13:58That's one of the starting spots, probably the only starting spot that I go, I would still
14:01love an upgrade.
14:02And you're mentioning how some of these guys aren't as big.
14:05How do you feel about this Keelan Rutledge thing as a guard who has been asked to take
14:08some snaps?
14:09Does that feel viable to you?
14:10Or is that just kind of a, kind of a out there proposition?
14:13No, man, you gotta, you know, in this day and age, if you're, if you're guys in Rutledge
14:18is a good player.
14:19I mean, he really is.
14:20I mean, if you want a true center, Slaughter from Florida is really a good player.
14:25Lou from Auburn's a good player.
14:27I mean, there, there's some guys, but the man, it just looks so funny with a 300 pound
14:33center.
14:34And sometimes you could get away with it.
14:35Well, you know, the, you know, you know, it's Tyler Lindenbaum, you know, that, that
14:40just signed with the, with the Raiders was when he came out of Iowa, you know, he was a
14:46289 pound, 290 pound center.
14:49And all of a sudden you're like, oh, everybody's like, oh, you can't take a center of that.
14:52Like, well, now the guy's making like $30 million a year being a center, you know?
14:56So yeah, it's, it's the projection of where you have guys.
15:01And there's, maybe you want to take a bigger body guy, you know, we, the Cowboys did it
15:07with BB, you know, I mean, he was a guard at Kansas state.
15:10Now he's a center.
15:11So it's, it's not an easy position to go do, but man, you do get some guys that get cross
15:17trained, you know, and especially these guys that are a lot of these, these offensive linemen
15:23have made like 35, 38, 40 starts, you know, so they have experience, but you know, maybe
15:30they, maybe at practice, they work a little at center just to kind of get some flexibility
15:34about them.
15:35But yeah, it, the, the projection, if you want a bigger guy, you're probably going to
15:40have to switch him from one position to the other.
15:42Real quick broadest.
15:43Cause I'm running out of time here, but I got two things I want to hit you with one.
15:47I just, you know, I love, you know, I love asking about your pet cat.
15:50So I'm interested.
15:51Who's your pet cat this year?
15:52Well, you know, yeah, there's, there's, there's a kid named Lewis who is a linebacker from
15:57it that I absolutely love.
16:00Now, listen, here's a projection.
16:02Again, if you watch him play, how Lewis, yeah, he is a, he is a guy that when you watch
16:08him play, he is going to play as a linebacker and he's really undersized.
16:13He's like a 224 pound guy, but everybody's talking about now these hybrid positions at
16:18safety, where you can have a guy that covers plays linebacker, maybe even play a little
16:22in the slot, maybe cover a tight end or two.
16:25But yeah, you watch, you watch him play and you get a vision for, man, this guy looks
16:31small, but man, this guy's making every single tackle.
16:34But there's, there's a lot of guys, Reggie, I could go through on this, on this safety
16:38group that has that kind of pet cat ability to them.
16:43That's really interesting.
16:44Now we're getting people calling in asking about various players.
16:47So I'm just going to ask for, can you give me like a 15 to 20 second thought on a
16:51Sam
16:51Roush tight end out of, out of Stanford?
16:53I love Sam Roush.
16:54I'll tell you what, he might be the best blocking tight end in the draft.
16:57And you know, when you, and that's been, that's kind of a lost art in the national football
17:01league now is that tight ends that can block Stanford has a great history of putting tight
17:06ends in the league and guys that are tough and physical and all that.
17:09Roush is one of those guys.
17:11Oh, the Tyler, on your, on your dim, the defensive tackle out of A&M, would he be a guy
17:15that you
17:15look at as like a mid rounds defensive tackle?
17:18That'd be the guy that you'd put your stamp on.
17:19Or is there another guy?
17:20Yeah, no, he's absolutely probably a third round guy.
17:23As you watch Texas A&M play super active inside, really good with his hands, really
17:28does a great job as a penetrator, tackles for loss, can give you pressure inside.
17:33Once again, even you're looking at guys that have a little size to them, you want them
17:36to have a little pass rush ability.
17:37He's that guy.
17:39I'm going to respect your time here.
17:40And mind you, you're only cost me $3 in this segment.
17:43So I appreciate that.
17:44But expect some text because I'm just going to keep peppering you with names like this
17:47a little bit later.
17:48But I appreciate you giving us the time.
17:50Yeah, absolutely.
17:51Listen, if you guys get stuck on any names, just let me know because I'll do my best to
17:55try and steer you the right way.
17:56And then again, you could say you're absolutely foolish for mentioning that.
17:59And I'll totally understand.
18:01For sure, man.
18:02Never that.
18:02Never that.
18:02You've got the bona fides where, you know, I roll with you.
18:05I rock with what you think on a lot of players.
18:08Appreciate that, man.
18:08Thank you, Zach.
18:09We appreciate you so much for making us some time.
18:11Obviously, check out Broadus if you want to check out Cowboy stuff for some reason.
18:15We don't thrive five through the fan.
18:16But Cowboy, I'm sorry, Crown Global Media on YouTube and wherever else you get it.
18:20He does some great stuff all around the draft with a friend of mine, Vaught Lombardi, as
18:23well.
18:24Well, thank you, boys.
18:25Appreciate it.
18:25Let's talk after the draft.
18:27I'll let you know how you did.
18:28How about that?
18:28That's great.
18:29Definitely.
18:29I'm going to go ahead and put that on the books.
18:31All right.
18:32Broadus, Super Bowl winning draft scout, Crown Global Media 105 through the fan.
18:36We always appreciate him giving us some time.
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