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When a police officer discovers a dead body in a taxi, detectives rely on surveillance footage from across Philly to piece together the mystery of who committed the murder, and the twisted reason why.
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00:13The kind of homicides that take place in Chester there's a body there immediately you know who it
00:19is this was different I thought it was some type of random act of violence because nobody would
00:28have anything against my dad they wouldn't want to do this the hairs on the back of your neck stick
00:33up a little bit everybody's looking at me like I got something to do with it now more wheels are
00:39spinning in me and Dave's head the rumor mill kept churning in Chester people kept wondering
00:43who was really to blame here to hear that she had a relationship with this guy just blew my mind
00:53the doctor yells to me holy get in here I said Dave we got
01:21in Philly anytime violence hits the neighborhood you grew up in the stakes feel even higher in 2011
01:29Chester a town right outside Philadelphia was the backdrop for a brutal murder for the born and
01:36raised detectives who worked this case letting it go unsolved was not an option
01:50it was a typical summer night in Chester I was just out patrolling the area just to make sure we
01:57were
01:57staying in front of anything that possibly may happen I'm traveling down Concord Avenue on Concord Avenue you
02:09have the Chester High athletic field and a parking lot it's overnight so it's closed so you don't expect to
02:17see any vehicles park there any action and on that evening there was a vehicle parked in the parking lot
02:25of the athletic field
02:28the fact that it was a Germantown taxi is what really drew my attention because I have never seen a
02:36Germantown
02:37taxi in this city ever Germantown is 23 miles away from Chester on the northwest side of Philly why would
02:47a Germantown taxi be parked in the parking lot of athletic field so you have to investigate I'm walking
02:57around the vehicle I tapped the hood of the vehicle it's cold which means it's been there for a while
03:02as
03:04as I'm looking in the taxi but the flashlight you can see the silhouette of a body with trash bags
03:13over the head and feet
03:16my first thought is
03:22oh my god this was now a crime scene it was a homicide
03:30so I take a breath and then I compose myself and I just call for my captain I knew once
03:39I called
03:40the captain that everybody was coming I was at home and I received a phone call at about 10 30
03:49at night
03:50and the officer told me detective McPhee we have a homicide I called detective Tyler
03:57and I said Dave lace up your boots we're in for a long haul
04:09me and Joe go back our whole lives together we grew up in city of Chester going to high school
04:16together Chester back in the 70s is a booming area had a lot of businesses back then it has had
04:24a really
04:24rough time of it in the last 50 years or so people here do what they have to to get
04:32by and survive in 2011
04:35we had a lot of shootings and homicides once I got the call I was anxious my heart was pounding
04:40it was
04:40racing Dave had never been the co-lead investigator on a homicide I said we will do this together
04:52as I pulled up to the crime scene detective McVeigh and several other detectives from Chester were
04:56there the cab was unlocked and I look in the back seat and you could obviously tell it was a
05:05body
05:06but you had no idea who it was or the gender or anything most of the homicides that we deal
05:13with in
05:13the city of Chester are either shootings or stabbings and to have somebody wrapped in trash bags was very
05:21very odd I thought this must be like a dump job the homicide happened somewhere else and the body was
05:30dumped in the city of Chester the medical examiner came and she was able to take the body out of
05:41the back of
05:42the cab and when she lifted the bag over his head it was something out of a horror movie
05:58I could tell at this point it was a man he was beaten horribly and I looked at his face
06:09and I thought
06:10this poor soul died a horrific horrible death the body still had jewelry on it and he had money in
06:23his
06:23pocket so we wrote out a robbery right away it seemed personal the way that someone took their time to
06:30kill him
06:33and then we looked around inside of the taxi and I immediately noticed like a pipe to maybe smoke
06:44cocaine or something like that was up against the seat and a crime scene investigator packaged it and took it
06:56so we also discovered an ID for a taxi cab license of a Maynard Fletcher with his picture on it
07:04and we're trying to compare the photograph of Maynard Fletcher to the victim but it was very confusing because the
07:15victim was so swollen we just didn't know
07:24detectives canvass the area looking for potential eyewitnesses but they come up empty-handed there's
07:30nothing around no housing for any camera footage no street corner cameras nothing like that to help us
07:37out as evidence technicians dust the cab for prints the local news arrives at the scene the kind of homicides
07:45that take place in Chester typically are gun shootings on the street this was different there's all
07:53sorts of questions where did the cab come from who's the person inside is it the driver is this a
08:00mass
08:01murderer who's on the loose who's gonna kill cabbies everywhere like we don't know
08:09detective McFaight and I went back to the city of Chester police department to run Maynard Fletcher
08:12through the computer system to get an address so I got a phone call from an officer who was working
08:19inside
08:19and said I just received a telephone call from a woman who saw your homicide on the news
08:29so I immediately called her and she said my fiance is missing and I cannot get a hold of him
08:37and he
08:38works for a Germantown cab company it seemed very genuine and I knew that one way or another we're
08:47going to get information out of this I said ma'am we will be at your house in about 40
08:53minutes so I told Dave
08:54I said let's go the caller's house is 13 miles away from Chester and Southwest Philly detective McFaight
09:06and I arrived at the house of Shauna Jordan there were several relatives and friends there Shauna Jordan
09:12had told detective McFaight myself that her fiance Tony Dillard was a manager at the Germantown cab
09:17company there was a huge gap in age she was 20 he was 57. we haven't been able to get
09:25a hold of him
09:26and she seemed very very concerned
09:32we had asked her when was the last time she'd seen Tony and she said that day that her and
09:38Tony
09:39went to traffic court on Filbert Street in the city of Philadelphia she said we just went right in and
09:44ran out just me and him Shauna says they left traffic court around 12 30 p.m. they take two
09:51separate cars to get there she's driving her car he's driving a Germantown cab car so Tony was planning
09:59on meeting his brother-in-law at a tuxedo shop so they could all be fitted for Tony's upcoming wedding
10:07I was supposed to meet Tony at the tuxedo place at seven o'clock I get there and I didn't
10:15see Tony I
10:16didn't see his car the fact that he wasn't there worried me because that's not Tony if he had changed
10:25his plans he would have totally let me know Shauna told us Tony was tall skinny and the last time
10:36that
10:37she saw Tony he was wearing black slacks a black button-down shirt with white checkers on it and then
10:45she told us that he had a gold watch a gold bracelet on his arm and a gold necklace and
10:55Dave and I we knew
10:56at that point it was definitely Tony but I could not tell the family that because he wasn't positively
11:09identified so I drove Debbie his sister my wife to the coroner's office they didn't show us Tony
11:17they showed us a picture of Tony and she confirmed that that was her brother after we went to the
11:30coroner's office we went to Shauna's house and told her we had identified the body and she was like
11:42totally distraught we got back into the car and we were just sitting there and Debbie just
11:57I didn't hear when Debbie's mom died I didn't hear Debbie cry like that
12:07it just it goes through you when somebody cries that deeply because she's hurt that deeply
12:18and all I could do was just hold her hand
12:29as the family begins to mourn the investigation kicks into high gear we ran the cab number license
12:38plate number we discovered that was Maynard Fletcher's cab it's his cab there's a dead body in it and he's
12:45not around then our brains turned to the fact of maybe Maynard killed Tony I also want Tony
12:55Dillard be in the back of his cab so Maynard Fletcher became a suspect at that point
13:11when you're investigating a homicide any leads you get you gotta act fast less than 24 hours after
13:18Tony Dillard was found murdered in Chester detectives have a suspect in sight Tony's colleague Maynard
13:25Fletcher detective McFate and I made several tries to contact Maynard Fletcher knock on his door no
13:32response so we just separated detective fate was going to go to the medical examiner's office for
13:38the autopsy I was going to go to the Germantown cab and talk to the manager and employees I asked
13:45for the manager and they got Shawn Robinson said he was the manager all right we're going to talk
13:50about your co-worker Tony correct Sean gives the background on Tony that it was a good employee
13:56he was a good manager but Mr Robinson told me that the day prior there was an argument with an
14:02employee
14:02and Tony was this argument like heated enough that people came out to save yeah it was heated up
14:08pretty good so Mr Robinson went out there to break it up and the other guy was sent home that
14:13day Tony
14:14getting into a fight is of huge interest but it's who he got into that fight with that sets off
14:20alarm
14:20bells we found out that it was Maynard Fletcher the other employees at Germantown cab told me that
14:31Maynard Fletcher had a temper and it wasn't the most nicest guy to be around the murders that
14:38happened all the time over less things and it does make sense it could be a motive
14:45while detective Tyler tries to locate Fletcher detective McFate arrives at the medical examiner's
14:52office so the point of me going to the autopsy was to find out more information about the victim
14:59I knew he had been beaten because that was obvious and then the doctor calls me or yells to me
15:06holy get in here he was stabbed in the neck with a pen and he shows me the tip of
15:18a pen and he said
15:20this is what killed him it went right through his jugular vein and that's when I immediately thought
15:29that's not a crack pipe that was in the back of the taxi cab it's the murder weapon
15:39the pen along with the other evidence is sent off to the state police crime lab for testing
15:46back at the Germantown cab company Maynard Fletcher turns up and comes face to face with detective Tyler
15:53he admitted that there was an argument the argument was over at this cab because it was leased out to
16:00him but Tony was grabbing it that morning to meet Sean at the traffic court after Maynard Fletcher was
16:07sent home Tony took off in his cab which explains why Fletcher's ID was found alongside Tony's body
16:14he said he was not involved in the murder of Tony but said that he would never do anything like
16:19that
16:19over a stupid argument after speaking with him and him giving a statement he was not a suspect anymore
16:27as detective Tyler heads back to Chester to meet up with detective McPhee
16:33word of Tony's death spreads amongst his loved ones it hurt like hell honestly
16:46Tony wasn't supposed to be taken out
16:52people love Tony he was eloquent funny if you needed him he would be there for you
17:00for Tony family was everything and his daughter Erin was his whole world I was in shock it's all
17:09seemed very strange it didn't really make sense my parents separated when I was pretty young but my
17:17dad was very involved he was always around went to the circus every year we loved watching movies
17:25together when Aaron was going to go to college he paid for her college education when Aaron needs to get
17:33a house Tony helped her get a house
17:37Tony's big heart and generosity extended to his friends and colleagues too including his fiancee Shauna
17:44he met Shauna at the cab company where she also worked as a driver and when her house burned down
17:51he
17:51actually let her move in with him they had been friends before that but I think that's when they
17:57started dating Shauna was kind of quiet she seemed sweet and my dad seemed like he was in love so
18:05I thought it
18:06was cute we didn't know that much about her other than she was his girlfriend but he seemed to be
18:14happy with her it wasn't that long they were together and next thing I knew Tony was talking about he
18:22was
18:22going to get married and asked me to be his best man he was asking me if I thought that
18:29he was crazy
18:30because she was so young I said if you're happy then be happy who cares what it looks like
18:43the more interviews we conducted everything that we were told about Tony was he was the nicest guy but
18:52then Tony's brother-in-law told us that he had spoke to Tony and Tony told him I've been getting
19:00threatened by Shauna's ex-boyfriend he doesn't want me and Shauna to get married
19:12coming up why would she try to lead us down the wrong path for no reason whatsoever
19:18and when you say get rid of what does that mean to you
19:33when you're a cop good instincts come from experience on the job from the start of this case
19:39detectives instincts told them Tony Dillard's murder wasn't random it was personal now they've got a
19:47possible new suspect one with an axe to grind
19:56detective McFate and I spoke with Charles Dorsey the brother-in-law who's told us that Tony confided in
20:03him days prior of him receiving threats not to marry Shauna from Shauna's ex-boyfriend
20:10this is a couple of days before the incident and he seemed worried about that I'm curious I want to
20:19know more you know but I didn't ask him that day because he was in a hurry he had to
20:23go back to work
20:24so I figured I'd talk to him about it later you know just to see what the concerns were
20:34we talked to Shauna and she said her ex-boyfriend's name is Antonio Menchie
20:41and I said do you know if he ever threatened Tony she said I have no idea I haven't talked
20:46to him in
20:47six months I had no idea where he's at I just know he's incarcerated he was in prison for drug
20:56dealing
20:57so Dave and I obviously knew he didn't kill Tony he's in state prison and we confirmed that he was
21:04there at that point we don't have anybody there's a suspect we didn't have anything substantial at that
21:12point so it was almost like we were circling the drain which is a very very difficult thing
21:18for an investigator to accept
21:29starting over with a blank slate detectives go back and retrace Tony's last known steps beginning
21:35with his visit to traffic court with Shauna she said Tony and I went to traffic court on Philbert
21:41Street she said I had a ticket we followed up on it and went to traffic court on Philbert Street
21:47Philly we found out that she had no appointment there and she was not there we were told to go
21:52to the other traffic court on Spring Garden Street we went there and it was learned that she did have
21:58an
21:58appointment there the secretary fate and I requested look at the video and in the video is Shauna and Tony
22:10walking in to court together seconds later there's an unknown individual that's behind them he's walking
22:21in with them and hanging with them all throughout the hallways everybody had a little conversation the
22:29three of them leave together that day that Shauna her attorney went to traffic court we had asked her
22:37did you stop and talk to anybody and she said no she didn't there's her attorney went in by themselves
22:43and she paid her parking tickets and they left together by themselves why would she lie about that
22:49now more wheels are spinning in me and Dave's head and I told Dave I said something's odd here I
22:56don't know if
22:57this is our killer but we got to find out who this guy is
23:06the next day we print out a photograph of this individual we take it to Shauna and we said who
23:15is
23:15this and she finally says oh that's my brother Greg if you show me a picture of my brother I
23:22will
23:22immediately recognize him that's my brother but it took her a while maybe she was in shock still or
23:29whatever but when we went back and ran Greg's photo on his driver's license he goes back to like
23:36five six or five seven and maybe 160 pounds the third person in that video is 6'3 340 pounds
23:43350 pounds
23:45Gregory Jordan does not look like the person in that photograph
23:54the hairs on the back of your neck stick up a little bit you're thinking there's something wrong
23:57here you get that sixth sense and you that comes with experience every time we talked to Shauna she
24:04was very calm very relaxed but she is completely trying to deceive us and why is she doing that why
24:15would she try to lead us down the wrong path for no reason whatsoever so I'm getting very very suspicious
24:34after catching her in two lies detectives suspect that Tony Dillard's fiancee Shauna Jordan knows more about his murder than
24:41she's letting on
24:43we knew something was up so I applied for a search form for Shauna Jordan's phone records
24:49now it's a waiting game waiting for them records to come back
24:57as detectives seek out more clues Tony's family gathers in Philly to say their goodbyes
25:04every cab that Germantown cab company had was there they had sort of like circled
25:16as a tribute and it was packed
25:22he was loved and he knew a lot of people a lot of people knew him so we had to
25:26have it at a bigger place
25:29the first time I met Shauna was at the memorial service for Tony that they had and she walked in
25:36late it was her fiancee but there was nothing there um no feeling it was almost like she had to
25:48be there
25:48more than she wanted to be there it wasn't something I was very concerned with to be honest
25:55I was trying to survive and I didn't really care about her or basically anybody else I was trying
26:04to make it through the day weeks after Tony's funeral detectives finally get their hands on
26:13Shauna's phone records so Dave meticulously went through and started discovering a Chester
26:21her telephone number that is in her cell phone records she had told us I have no connection
26:29whatsoever to Chester she denied ever knowing anything about Chester detectives trace the
26:36mysterious cell phone number to a halfway house in Chester and make contact with the manager
26:40the manager came out to my office and watched the video and immediately identified the third person
26:48he said I know exactly who that is that's Shamar Alexander
26:56he told us he was on parole for drug offenses possibly a weapon as well he said he seemed like
27:04a nice guy but he was with Tony and his fiancee he's dead she's alive and so are you
27:15so we have to talk looking at Shamar's background knowing that he's been in and out of the system
27:24if we talk to him he's going to understand what's going on we had nothing to charge him with at
27:31this
27:31particular point in time I did not want to scare him and say will you talk to us and him
27:38tell us no
27:38or not now next time you do go to lock him up and you have enough he has a story
27:43or had already talked
27:44to an attorney detectives know going back to Shauna could be risky too there is some type of connection
27:54between Shamar and Shauna we didn't want to give them any type of time to come up with a story
27:59thanks
28:01to a prior arrest Shamar's DNA sample has already been submitted to Pennsylvania State Police Crime Lab
28:08that means any DNA evidence recovered from the crime scene can be run against Shamar's profile
28:15I told Dave I said let's just wait when we get something back DNA wise hopefully we have something
28:23then we'll pull out our trump card and say here is your DNA tell us what happened
28:32in Pennsylvania the DNA can take up to six to eight months even for a murder
28:38it takes a long time for DNA testing to come back because it all goes through
28:42one Pennsylvania State Police Lab as months go by Tony's family remains hopeful that justice will be
28:49served the detectives would check in every now and then so I never felt like they had forgotten
28:55about us but there wasn't a lot of information it was always going to be a priority of them solving
29:02this
29:02case it just was going to take time almost eight months after Tony's murder there's a major development
29:15I received a call from the state police lab and it was the forensic scientists on the other end
29:23and she said I have a result on your DNA
29:38almost eight months after Tony Dillard was murdered there's a huge break in the case the Pennsylvania
29:44state police lab has identified a DNA match it showed Shamar Alexander's DNA on the tape endings
29:54of the trash bags that Tony was wrapped in I said Dave we got him with the help of Shamar's
30:04parole agent
30:05detectives make their move Dave and I go to Philadelphia we walk in Shamar is in with his parole agent
30:13we
30:14introduced ourselves we told him we have an arrest warrant for him and he said for what I said homicide
30:21he
30:22was shocked and we took him into custody and transferred back to Chester Police Department
30:28at the station they informed Shamar he's the prime suspect in Tony's murder case
30:34he said oh I think that's Shauna's fiance Shauna is my cousin he said I didn't know Tony then it
30:52turned
30:52into oh no I hadn't met Tony at traffic court because he went to traffic court with a friend of
30:59his
31:02Keith Rogers Dave and I had a log of everybody that was in traffic court that day there was no
31:12Keith
31:12Rogers and the more we questioned him the more we could tell he's backing himself into a corner
31:20and I thought well now it's time for me to pounce I said Shamar that's enough buddy
31:27your DNA is on that tape that was used to wrap up Tony Dillard how to explain that
31:40and then that's when he said okay this is what happened
31:45I was set up to do it I said what do you mean you were set up he said Shauna's
31:50ex-boyfriend
31:53his name is Antonio Menchin I owe him a six thousand dollar drug debt
32:01Shamar tells the cops that there's this other third person Terrence Gardner who's been the conduit
32:07between himself and Antonio Menchin in jail Terrence Gardner comes to Shamar and says you have to get rid
32:17of Tony Dillard and when you say get rid of what does that mean to you detectives ask Shamar why
32:26Menchin ordered the hit because he wanted Tony Dillard out of the way he wasn't going to let nobody else
32:33be
32:33he was showing it
32:38Antonio Menchin sends Terrence to him and says if you can make that happen by getting Tony out of the
32:45way
32:45then we'll clear this six thousand dollar drug debt and Shamar said okay I'll do it
32:53Shamar tells detectives that after Tony left traffic court that day he met up with Terrence
32:58Gardner and they followed Tony to a nearby store they watched as Tony went into the store and then
33:04Terrence made the first move when Tony came out of the store he got back in his cab and took
33:18off
33:18towards North Philly with Shamar on his tail and Terrence Gardner is in that taxi cab
33:23correct
33:25when Tony turned down a deserted street Terrence jumped him from behind and the cab came to a stop
33:32and you say you can see what appears to be some type of fight for struggle yes sir what happens
33:37next
33:37I get out the car and leave the car running and I will let Mr. Dillard down while Mr. Gardner
33:44slams
33:44his head in the door about five to six times
33:51thinking Tony was dead Terrence dragged his body back to the cab and drove off towards Chester
33:56with Shamar once again following behind on their way to Chester Terrence called Shamar
34:03so Terrence Gardner tells you that at some point he thinks that Tony Dillard was still alive correct
34:09and what does Terrence Gardner tell you he did to him stabbed him in the neck with a pen
34:15in Chester they searched for a spot to dump Tony's body and ended up at the Chester high school athletic
34:21field after we got to the park me and myself uh wrapped them in some trash bags and wrapped tape
34:29around
34:30we asked Shamar why did you bring the body to the city of Chester he said well somebody told me
34:37Chester detectives don't solve homicides and I looked at him I said guess what we solved this one
34:45Shamar is held in jail and arraigned on multiple charges including first and third degree homicide
34:52I was so glad to find out that they had arrested someone they got him very happy day of my
35:00life
35:06Dave and I look up every Terrence Gardner that we could find and during multiple interviews with
35:14Shamar we're showing him photo arrays of multiple Terrence Gardners he can never say who it was
35:28months later the DNA on the pen housing comes back and on that pen housing is Shamar and Tony Dillard
35:38I said Shamar it's gone from bad to worse for you not only is your DNA on the tape but
35:47it's also on the murder weapon
35:52Shamar brought up Terrence Gardner to throw the blame off himself in reality there wasn't a Terrence
35:58Gardner involved in this case he was the student co-killer but what about the alleged mastermind
36:03Shauna's ex Antonio Menchin he's in state prison is there potentially a possibility that he set it up
36:11yes but I think it was a waste of time to talk to Antonio Menchin because he's gonna say no
36:19and
36:19how much do you believe of Shamar putting on Antonio so detective McFate and I didn't have enough
36:26information to arrest Antonio Menchin in this murder that leaves detectives with one missing piece of the
36:33puzzle Shauna Jordan after Shamar is arrested he makes several phone calls to Shauna during that
36:42time the rumor mill kept churning in Chester people kept wondering you know who was really to blame
36:52I think they were both very very cautious that we can't say anything too egregious
37:03on the phone because the cops are going to be listening to it but I think she may have had
37:08something to do with this Shauna had to contact Shamar and let him know that this is the day they're
37:16going to traffic court you just don't bump into somebody in traffic court but I can't prove it
37:26there is nothing cops hate more than loose ends if Shamar killed Tony for Shauna what was the real motive
37:35detective McFate digs into Shamar's social media accounts to see if he can figure it out and he makes
37:41one hell of a discovery I found pictures on Facebook that I thought it's a very odd picture
37:49Shamar he said him and Shauna were just cousins but she was like on his lap like sitting across I'm
37:59like the hell's going on here I'm like I would never have sit with my cousin like that I'm like
38:04yeah this is kind of weird detective McFate confronts Shamar with the photo he went pale and put his head
38:13down I said just tell us the truth
38:25after detective McFate uncovers a racy photo of Shamar Alexander and his cousin Shauna Jordan
38:30he thinks he's clued in on what really motivated Tony Dillard's murder I said to Shamar did you ever
38:38have sex with her and he put his head down he said yes once I said are you kidding me
38:44I said
38:46you're cousins eventually Shamar said okay she had something to do with it Shauna and I were sleeping
38:55together and I wanted to be with her and she wanted Tony out of the way we did not have
39:08enough evidence
39:09against her because Shamar gave us so many different stories that the district attorney's office told us
39:15we can't use him he is an unreliable witness at this point so there's nothing we can do to her
39:38in October of 2014 Shamar Alexander stands trial for Tony's murder nothing really made
39:45since it came together for me until the trial that was when I found out what was going on in
39:52the whole
39:52story they finally call Shauna to the stand to hear that she had a relationship with this guy
39:59it just blew my mind and he was supposed to be like a cousin or something you're thinking oh my
40:06god
40:07Tony was in love with her and this is what she did
40:13Shauna always said she had nothing to do with it but that person who killed my dad knew her very
40:18well it doesn't make any sense that she had absolutely nothing to do with it and she didn't
40:21know anything but I also believe in karma that's something that she'll have to live with for the rest of
40:28her days there is one thing that Shauna does admit to on the stand in the years since Tony's death
40:36Shauna was now with Antonio mentioned that she had had a child with him and that she's pregnant with a
40:44second I guess if the idea was that Shamar was supposed to kill Tony Dillard to clear his debt
40:51so that mentioned could get back with Shauna mission accomplished right because that's how it ends up
41:01after four days of testimony it only takes the jury a few hours to reach a verdict Shamar Alexander is
41:08found guilty of first-degree murder possession of an instrument of crime and abuse of a corpse
41:13he is sentenced to life without parole plus one to five years when we heard the verdict and the
41:22sentencing it was thank God he's gotten what he deserves
41:32when you look back on the case the two detectives were great
41:38because without them we would still be in this kind of limbo this kind of agony of not knowing
41:45what happened I still feel horrible for the victim and his family but I am very proud of the work
41:56that
41:56Dave and I did with his killer behind bars Tony's family has tried their best to move on but Tony
42:04is
42:04never far from their minds Tony was a good man a good father good provider honest straightforward I miss Tony
42:19he taught me a lot about life we had years and years of good times and good memories it just
42:28hurts
42:28um about my dad about anyone where something terrible happens to them they are not what happens to them
42:36they are people and he was great
42:41you
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