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24 Hours in Police Custody S00E43 The Cold Case Murder Part 1 of 2 (13th April 2026)
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00:09OK, but you're a police emergency.
00:11How may we help you?
00:12So, I'm down at McAveen Lane.
00:14Hi.
00:15Next door neighbour, a relation's come to pick her up to go somewhere.
00:19She's face down in the hall and I can't make out whether it looks like a lot of blood.
00:24OK, hold on.
00:25I'm saying line is this speech.
00:27Yes.
00:28I'm almost sure she's looking dead.
00:31We've got Austin on the way and ambulance are en route as well.
00:35Do you think she may have fallen?
00:37I don't know.
00:39I can't really make out.
00:42I mean, they're walking straight from the floor by the door.
00:44There's a towel by the door.
00:45Her glasses are sort of at her knees.
00:48OK.
00:49I think she's been there at least all night.
00:51At least because the curtains are shut.
00:55Hang on, hang on.
00:56She's had a fire.
00:57What's this?
00:59She's had a fire.
01:00I think she's been on fire.
01:04Can I take your name, player?
01:06Unicorn.
01:07Unicorn.
01:15It's crucial that we find the truth.
01:20Hands on your back.
01:22Got to question everything.
01:24Believe nobody.
01:26It's almost a game of chess.
01:28Trying to slip up.
01:29This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:46Cambridgeshire police say they're determined to find the killer of a widow from Whiz Beach.
01:52Una Crown, who was 86, was found dead at her bungalow in 2013.
01:57She was in a pool of blood.
01:59Her clothing was burnt.
02:00Initially, her death was treated as an accident, but a murder investigation was later launched.
02:12Long time coming.
02:14It was a brutal scene, wasn't it?
02:17It was.
02:18Officers from Cambridgeshire Police's major crime unit plan to use new scientific techniques to try to solve the murder.
02:25After previous investigations failed to find the evidence to prosecute a killer, who has remained free for more than a
02:32decade.
02:33All good to go.
02:33That's all right with you.
02:35Be as quick as we can.
02:37Ian and I have never been here.
02:39You don't get the feel of it from photos.
02:44I don't feel so weird being in here 11 years later.
02:53Oh, well, OK.
02:55So, chair was here, TV was there, but the chair was at this angle, and the blanket was there.
03:04We know from the Radio Times she had an evening of telly planned, but the blanket is a throwdown, got
03:12to get up quickly.
03:14So, did she hear something down there, and that's made her get up?
03:17There's no signs of forced entry at all.
03:19Zero.
03:20So, that's ruled out completely.
03:22She's let him in?
03:23Mm-hmm.
03:24So, option one is he's come in via the front door.
03:27She's had to unlock it.
03:28Option two, the back door, and that's where he's come in.
03:32But by the sounds of things, an unexpected visit.
03:35Yeah.
03:36On a cold January dark night.
03:40This is the biggest cold case I've investigated.
03:43It's very personal.
03:45I mean, obviously, anybody in the force is aware of what happened back in 2013.
03:54After the murder of pensioner Una Crown, police are reappealing for information about her death.
04:00We urge anybody out there to think back, because anybody that they know came home either with blood on them,
04:07smelling of smoke, or came into some money.
04:10And no matter how small or insignificant this information may seem, if they tell us, it may help us to
04:17find and convict the killer of Una Crown.
04:27This investigation's had an effect on a lot of people.
04:29Even myself, it stuck with me that we didn't have anybody charged with the murder of Una Crown.
04:35Any detective doesn't want an unsolved murder as part of their history.
04:39I always thought and hoped one day we'd get who was responsible and lock them up for life.
04:49Welcome to the briefing for Operation Valerian.
04:53I'll go through some of the background of the case and obviously what's led us to reopen the investigation.
04:58On Sunday the 13th of January 2013, the body of Mrs. Una Crown, aged 86, was discovered at the home
05:06address, Magazine Lane in Whiz Beach.
05:09Una had been a widow for a number of years and she lived alone.
05:12The body of Una was discovered laying face down just a few feet from the front door.
05:18The clothing was badly burnt and there were small seats of fire within the premises.
05:23Una in fact died of extensive stab wounds, one alone to the chest which extended through the torso and vital
05:29organs.
05:32The ferocity of the violence and the death that Una suffered is unspeakable.
05:41She was the same age as my grandma when she died.
05:45My grandma was my most favourite person in the world and on her death certificate it said the cause of
05:54death was old age.
05:56Una's cause of death was stab wounds and murdered.
06:02There were some failings around the attendance of the original officers over the first couple of days.
06:08There was no obvious signs of a disturbance and the initial assessment by officers concluded that it would be treated
06:14as a normal sudden death.
06:18That's the mindset of somebody that goes in there not thinking it's a murder.
06:25Whereas the mindset should be this is a murder until I find out that it's not.
06:33And that is the mindset that officers should have when they go to any death.
06:39Could this be a murder?
06:42Other than a visual examination of the scene there was no other forensic activity undertaken.
06:47As such the scene was shut down, handed back to the family and we no longer had control of it.
06:55We lost the scene, it was completely contaminated, things were touched, things were moved.
07:03Those golden hour principles of securing and preserving that evidence weren't adhered to on this job.
07:09That loss of evidence has huge ramifications for trying to find a killer.
07:32Welcome to Crownwatch Live.
07:34Coming up on the programme, the terrible murder of a pensioner, Una Crown, and the man responsible has never been
07:41traced.
07:41Can you finally help Cambridgeshire Police track that person down and bring her murderer to justice?
07:47Well, I'm joined by DCI Ian Moore, who is the SIO on this case.
07:52So what information are you appealing for today?
07:54We're appealing for anybody to come forward and give information about what happened.
07:58They might have recognised...
07:59This cold case is hugely significant.
08:02We will do appeals.
08:04We will do whatever it takes.
08:07It's because there might be one tiny piece of a jigsaw puzzle that we're looking for to bring that offender
08:14to justice.
08:15This has absolutely devastated the family.
08:18They really want answers.
08:20People that may have been scared to come forward in the past, you're urging them to come forward.
08:25They could have that key piece of information, couldn't they?
08:27Yeah, I mean, we believe that the answers to this crime still lie in the Whizbeats community.
08:50We all thought it was someone local.
08:53I didn't think she'd ever let anybody in that she didn't know,
08:57because she was social security-wise, I've always told her,
09:01whatever you do, look out your window first and you'll know who's coming to the door,
09:07and then you can open it if you know them.
09:10She used to go out probably once a week, I think,
09:14as her niece used to come and pick her up and take them out, take her out shopping.
09:24It's Wednesday, the 16th of January, 2013.
09:29Your full name?
09:30Yes.
09:31I'm Mrs Judy Payne, or Judas, really, Judas Payne.
09:35You all have a niece?
09:37Yes.
09:38My name is John Payne, spelt P-A-Y-N-E.
09:41It would be fair to say that you and John are closest family.
09:44Yes.
09:44Can you tell me about the last time you saw Una?
09:50Friday, about midday.
09:53We took it to the town centre, went to the coffee house,
09:58had the coffee, had a natter, or Judy and Una had a natter,
10:02put the world, as women do, sorry about this,
10:04but put the world to rights, as they will.
10:07Had a cup of coffee and a lovely chat for about, I think, three quarters of an hour.
10:16And then we went down to Tesco's.
10:19She enjoyed it, because it's an outing.
10:22She'd sort of scoot ahead of us, and I used to laugh with John and say,
10:25Look at this, she's faster than what we are, bless her.
10:30And she was just so happy.
10:32OK.
10:34And then took her home, and she'd give me a kiss,
10:37and I'd say, We'll be here on Sunday as normal, aren't we?
10:41Can you tell me about Sunday, the 13th?
10:47I went to the front door, the door was locked, the curtains are drawn.
10:51I immediately said, Run over to Tina next door, they've got a key.
10:56So we went to the front door, I unlocked the front door,
11:00opened the door, and saw Una.
11:11When Judy arrived, and she looked at me, and he said,
11:14It's not what I... I said, Yes.
11:16He said, Love, you can't go in.
11:18He said, And you wouldn't want to see it, love.
11:21He said, All I will say to you is, I'm glad it's me.
11:24It's not me.
11:30But who was wrong to do this?
11:34Me.
11:40I've engaged with the family,
11:41and I've seen firsthand the impact that it's had on them.
11:44There is a weight of responsibility to bring closure for the family.
11:48I can't imagine the pain that they have gone through for the last 11 years.
11:54An unsolved murder means we don't have the answers for the family and justice for Una.
12:06I kept saying to John, Do you think somebody's been watching us when we drop her off?
12:12Because it was such a regular thing.
12:14I said, Do you think somebody's been watching?
12:17They know it's a little old lady that's vulnerable.
12:19He said that when you used to arrive, she used to look out the window.
12:22She'd look out the bedroom window.
12:23Yeah, somebody, yeah, somebody's up to the door.
12:25She, yeah, she'd go to the bedroom window, I think,
12:28and look out who's standing on the porch one.
12:31Julie all said to her, Don't open the door to anybody unless you know who they are.
12:36Mm-hmm.
12:38So she must open the door to someone she knew.
12:42To lead them to the suspect, officers re-examine the victim's last known movements.
12:50So let's just go through the chronology.
12:52OK.
12:53OK.
12:54On the 11th of January, she went to Tesco's.
12:58Picked her up, dropped her off.
13:00Saturday the 12th, quarter 12th, she's seen outside by Mr Mainwaring,
13:03walking in the direction from Cox's Lane.
13:06Two minutes past five, Dorothy Rangooner on a landline.
13:09So, again, that, that's important because within that conversation,
13:15Yeah.
13:15Una told them that she'd had dinner,
13:17but it was much earlier than she would normally have had dinner.
13:21Yeah.
13:21So why did she have dinner so early?
13:24Early, yeah.
13:24And why are things set on the table?
13:27Yeah.
13:28Dorothy was surprised that she'd already eaten.
13:31So, in my eyes, she was expecting somebody,
13:34whether or not she wanted them to come or not.
13:37Yeah.
13:40After years of failure to secure a charge,
13:43the team reviewed previous suspects and persons of interest
13:47in order to decide who they should now focus on.
13:54We have a list of suspects.
13:57The intel over the last ten years have been that a local burglar
14:01and Mark Coleman had murdered Una.
14:04They tried to steal money, rings,
14:07and they stabbed her and set her on fire,
14:09and that someone called Stuttering Dan drove him away from the address.
14:13This suspect needs an obvious one because of the MO.
14:17Yeah.
14:17That he committed the murder when he was younger.
14:20His victim for that murder was his mum's neighbour, and he knew her.
14:25Yes.
14:25There is no links to Una for him.
14:30Jamie Bowgen, obviously, is the suspect for a fair of space,
14:33so we'll need to go forward because of similarities.
14:37The link, obviously, for Jamie is his brother was in a relationship with Una's niece,
14:42so there is at least a link.
14:45Derek Mason, then.
14:47Yeah, so Derek Mason was Una's best mate to an extent.
14:52He came into £25,000 after Una's death.
14:58OK.
14:59And has previously done work in her house, changed the door locks.
15:03The gardener?
15:04Yeah.
15:04They did fall out some time before the murder
15:08over a tree that was going to get cut down,
15:10and he was basically alibied by his sister,
15:13but there is a discrepancy of his timings
15:16and the fact he goes back to the scene the next morning.
15:20He's the first to approach the officers at the scene.
15:24Yeah.
15:25And then we'd have David Newton.
15:28He was living just round the corner at the time.
15:31Original suspect.
15:33Mm-hmm.
15:33An obvious need to include him in this
15:36because never really properly discounted,
15:38albeit CPS wouldn't charge at the time,
15:40but not really ruled out.
15:43We've got those now going forward.
15:52Cold cases are a huge challenge
15:55and the important part
15:57is to identify forensic opportunities.
16:01Yeah, we're quite a bit in this one, yeah.
16:03At the time of the initial investigation,
16:06there were exhibits seized.
16:08Three, three, seven, bra.
16:12This exhibit...
16:12Yeah, we've got the bra, yeah.
16:13That's one of our exhibits.
16:16Yeah.
16:17Technology has moved on,
16:19and as a team,
16:21we review those exhibits
16:23and decide what extra techniques are available now
16:29and to submit them for forensic analysis.
16:37To understand why Yuna Crown's death
16:39wasn't initially treated as murder,
16:41police decide to speak to all the professionals
16:44who attended the scene.
16:47In terms of one of the officers,
16:49it's really taken its toll on him
16:51and had quite a detrimental effect on him
16:53and his family,
16:55even his future career and everything, really.
16:58So much so,
17:00he's been diagnosed with various conditions,
17:01and I think he really is struggling day to day.
17:04And he felt quite let down at the time
17:07because there were other officers there
17:08at the scene as well,
17:10but none of them went through the mill
17:11as much as he did.
17:16Detectives review the accounts
17:18of two police officers
17:19who decided on the day
17:20that the death was non-suspicious.
17:25The reason behind this interview
17:27is in relation to the investigation
17:28to the murder of Yuna Crown
17:30and having on the 13th of January this year
17:33and we're interviewing you,
17:34you were the first attending officer there.
17:39Meanwhile,
17:41investigating officer Graham McMillan
17:43speaks to one of the fire investigators
17:45called to magazine Lane that day.
17:51Well, thanks for seeing us today, Carl.
17:52This relates to the murder of Yuna Crown
17:54back in 2013,
17:55which I'm sure you probably got quite a good recollection of.
17:59Yeah, I remember it very well
17:59because it was mid-morning we got called.
18:01Yes.
18:01They opened the front door
18:02and there's a dead body there
18:03and I thought, yeah, this is serious.
18:04Yeah.
18:05So, more in mind, at that point,
18:07we're going crime scene.
18:11Can you just introduce yourself?
18:13Yes.
18:13I'm going to take my hundreds.
18:15Can you just introduce yourself, please?
18:16Yes, I'm Detective Sergeant 1081 Mark Cossie.
18:20This interview's specifically around
18:22your decision-making right now
18:24and the decisions that you made on that day.
18:27I glugged up,
18:29walked in and you immediately struck with,
18:31well, she's there on the floor,
18:33in the hallway, face down.
18:39The address was completely clean and tidy throughout.
18:42It was locked and secured,
18:43no signs of disturbance,
18:45no missing keys.
18:47So far as we could tell,
18:49it was incredibly unlikely that an intruder had come in
18:51or that it didn't look as if there'd been a fight
18:54or something like that around the house.
18:57I went through his theory,
18:58what he thought would have happened.
19:01The cooker was faulty
19:03because the cooker was off
19:05and yet it was red hot
19:06when you put your hand over the top.
19:10Chances are,
19:11if clothing has caught a light
19:12or tea towel has caught a light,
19:15she's frantically tried to put it out
19:17and my initial thoughts were,
19:20because of the shock,
19:22heart failure,
19:24because the position of the body
19:25is that she's just gone.
19:27I thought,
19:28my thoughts were,
19:29she's dead before she's hit the floor.
19:36This is where I had the debate,
19:39the stand-up argument with the police.
19:41We knew that there was not enough temperature
19:43in that hob to ever set fire to that tea towel.
19:46The tea towel had been set fire to hanging on the rail.
19:50I remember saying at the time,
19:51I think she'd been set fire to on the floor.
19:54The naked flame would have had to have been applied
19:56to each of the items to set fire to it.
19:59So all these indicators actually pointed to
20:01it being a deliberate fire.
20:04The person who's done that
20:05has set fire to the tea towel,
20:07set fire to the newspaper,
20:07set fire to the body.
20:11This is textbook arson
20:12and when we turned the body over,
20:15there was clear lacerations to the neck.
20:18We thought what had happened was
20:20she was wearing a neckerchief
20:22and it was knotted quite tightly.
20:27If it is heart failure
20:28and she's just gone straight down,
20:31she's 86, she's very frail,
20:33the skin would be tight,
20:35the neckerchief would cause
20:37this injury to the throat.
20:40We questioned that at the time
20:42and that was dismissed
20:44not only by the acting sergeant
20:45but by the detectives there
20:47and the CSI.
20:50If she had her throat cut,
20:52you would have expected to see
20:55loads of blood or sun blood
20:57up on the cream-coloured worms.
20:59There wasn't anything.
21:00There was nothing.
21:02My mindset was it's not suspicious.
21:03We were happy that it was
21:05an accidental death.
21:08You know, every day I'm making decisions
21:10about things like deaths.
21:12I'm going out to death all the time.
21:13I've been out two or three
21:14in the weeks prior to this.
21:16I would like to have thought
21:18that I'm competent
21:19at making a decision
21:20as to whether or not
21:20we need, you know,
21:22to describe it
21:23as being more suspicious.
21:27The gospel of words,
21:29to be honest.
21:30Yeah, I mean,
21:31it's frustrating seeing that.
21:32Thing is,
21:32once you form an opinion
21:34of this is non-suspicious,
21:37then you formulate
21:38all your thinking
21:39around that theory.
21:40Yes, that's right.
21:41It really does pain me
21:4311 years later,
21:45if we'd had a more forensic approach
21:47from the outset,
21:47there's probably been
21:48a lot of good evidence there
21:49in my opinion.
21:49Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:51It's probably the worst
21:52policing decision I've seen
21:53in my career.
21:55And even to this day,
21:56I just can't understand it.
21:57I think possibly
21:59I've not done as much
22:00as I could have done
22:01and I've let the family down.
22:02The fact is,
22:03as a collective,
22:04we didn't get it right.
22:08You can't pinpoint
22:09a person for
22:13criticism.
22:14It's a collective failure.
22:15It's a collective failure.
22:19The impact
22:21of the decisions
22:22that day
22:23was huge.
22:25And that decision
22:27will live with
22:29everybody at that scene
22:31and has done
22:33for the last 11 years.
22:36A murderer
22:38is walking the streets.
22:41We have to find
22:42Una's killer.
22:56A bungled start
22:57to an investigation,
22:59a family needing answers,
23:01a killer still on the loose.
23:04Una would always
23:05come to the gate
23:06and have a little chat
23:08with me and
23:09she's just one
23:10lovely old lady,
23:11really.
23:13Plus, you know,
23:15you know,
23:15you can't imagine it,
23:17can you?
23:18They've made a right
23:19mess of it.
23:20I mean,
23:21to say that
23:21she'd done it herself.
23:23And then,
23:23since then,
23:24we've heard she had
23:2415 stab wounds
23:26and all this.
23:27But, I mean,
23:27you don't do that yourself.
23:30I completely accept
23:31that people make mistakes.
23:33It's how you then
23:34deal with those mistakes.
23:36We're working towards
23:37getting answers
23:39for the families
23:39and to show the public
23:42that we don't give up.
23:45Home office pathologist
23:46Nat Carey
23:47said it was clear to him
23:48this was a homicide.
23:50This from the outset,
23:51he said.
23:52Her injuries were extensive.
23:54Una Crown
23:54had been attacked
23:55with a bladed weapon,
23:57three cuts to her neck.
23:58They were deep
23:59and gaping.
24:00One severed
24:01a jugular vein
24:03and another cut
24:04had penetrated
24:05her heart and lungs.
24:10I mean,
24:11to me,
24:11it doesn't matter
24:12how you look at this case,
24:13from so many points of view,
24:15forensically
24:15and pathologically,
24:17it's suspicious.
24:18And I imagine
24:19that from an investigative
24:20point of view,
24:20it is as well.
24:21100%.
24:22It was a clear homicide.
24:24Yeah.
24:24Importantly,
24:25there were what would be termed
24:27defensive type injuries,
24:29such as you might get
24:30if you're warding off
24:31a sharp weapon attack.
24:33And she didn't have any
24:35soot in her lungs,
24:36like she's breathed in the fire,
24:38as far as I remember rightly.
24:39No,
24:39which is a key finding,
24:41really.
24:41Yeah.
24:41It gives you some indication
24:43of the sequence of events.
24:45It means she was burnt
24:46after death.
24:48Cutthroat,
24:49stabbing,
24:50and then setting fire,
24:51so that was
24:52something you might have had
24:53a bit of forensic awareness,
24:55in other words,
24:56to try and destroy
24:57traces of what had happened
24:58and their involvement.
24:59Yeah.
25:00The burning was to
25:01at least try and hide
25:03some of the forensic evidence
25:05that the killer
25:06would have known
25:07that we would have found.
25:08But importantly,
25:10in a sort of
25:11forensic catch-up,
25:13I still took samples.
25:15I took clippings
25:17from a number
25:18of the fingernails
25:19on both hands.
25:20Sometimes limbs
25:21or fingernails
25:22may be quite sheltered
25:24from either burning
25:25or handling
25:26by other people.
25:27I always think
25:27it's worth pursuing
25:28the DNA
25:29with the changes
25:30that have occurred
25:31in the past few years.
25:33DNA technology
25:34has improved.
25:35Yes.
25:38DI Lee Martin
25:39visits the forensics lab
25:41where the exhibits
25:42from the original investigation,
25:44including those secured
25:45by the Home Office
25:46pathologist Nat Carey,
25:48will be examined.
25:50We try to maximise
25:52DNA recovery.
25:53And originally,
25:54back in 2013,
25:57they took two samples
25:58from the fingernails
25:59and we must remember
26:00we have moved forward
26:01obviously since then.
26:01and the tests
26:03that we look at,
26:04they are great
26:05at ignoring female DNA
26:07and focusing in
26:08on the male-specific DNA.
26:11In the heat of the moment,
26:13could she have scratched,
26:14could she have reached out
26:15at her attacker
26:16at some point in time?
26:18And therefore,
26:18there'd be some remnants,
26:20even if it's minute,
26:21of DNA underneath
26:21her fingernails.
26:22Her right hand
26:24was quite clenched,
26:25so that was
26:26quite key potentially
26:28because it was going
26:28to be protected
26:29from any of the burning
26:30that was going on as well.
26:32Well, the right hand's
26:32the key one
26:33because it was
26:34away from the fire.
26:35That fire was
26:36to stop us
26:39looking for DNA.
26:40Yeah.
26:40So her having her hand
26:41underneath her
26:43has protected that DNA.
26:45Absolutely.
26:46We had five fingernails,
26:47so there is plenty of scope
26:48we didn't get
26:49the first time round.
26:51So within DNA testing,
26:53we also have
26:54a profile known
26:55as YSTR,
26:57which is
26:58the male gene
26:59within the DNA profile.
27:03That technique
27:04is getting stronger
27:05and stronger
27:06as the years
27:07move on.
27:08It can assist
27:10with pointing
27:11towards a certain
27:12bloodline.
27:13It does not say
27:15it is
27:15that person.
27:17That is the only thing
27:19at this minute
27:20to take us
27:20any further forward.
27:22That is the only
27:23test we've got.
27:24Yeah, in this instance,
27:25it's probably
27:25about the strongest
27:26that we're going to get
27:27from DNA
27:28at this point in time.
27:31While scientists
27:32test for male DNA,
27:34which may have come
27:34from the killer,
27:36elimination samples
27:37must be taken
27:38from all officers
27:39and personnel
27:39who might legitimately
27:41have come into contact
27:42with Una Crown
27:44following her death.
27:47Because what we're
27:48doing is we are
27:49going back to see
27:49everybody who went
27:50into the scene
27:51on the 13th
27:52of January
27:52gets some
27:53elimination DNA.
27:55Perfect.
27:58I was the first
27:59person through the door.
28:00Do you still remember
28:00it then?
28:01Like yesterday?
28:03And it's little
28:04things that you
28:05remember.
28:05And I remember
28:06she was like
28:07absolutely straight
28:09like that,
28:09laid on the floor.
28:10Absolutely.
28:11Not like that
28:11and it's like,
28:12oh my God,
28:13that's not right.
28:14No one falls like that,
28:15does it?
28:19Every year I'd hear
28:20the word crown
28:21and then I would
28:23just look on Google
28:24to see if there's
28:25any update on it.
28:27You know,
28:28I always think about
28:29this lady
28:30because she looks
28:31the spitting image
28:32of my nan.
28:33I just can't imagine
28:35what her family
28:35are going through.
28:37I mean,
28:37I must be
28:37absolutely haunted.
28:40Those last moments
28:41of absolute fear,
28:43terror,
28:44you know,
28:45who could do that
28:46to a little old lady?
28:48I just went down
28:49to photograph somebody.
28:51I didn't really know
28:52the prehistory
28:52of the case.
28:54But I just noticed
28:57cuts,
28:58marks
29:00that look suspicious.
29:02Yeah.
29:04I mean,
29:05how would you get
29:05cuts like that
29:06other than,
29:07you know,
29:08someone else
29:08would do it to,
29:09you know?
29:17I don't see
29:18DS,
29:19Mark,
29:19and Cossie
29:20and I hope
29:22he's had enough
29:22times to reflect
29:23on it
29:24and hold his hands
29:25up and says,
29:25yeah,
29:26I was wrong.
29:30I just need
29:31to set up.
29:32Yeah.
29:32As you know,
29:33all statements
29:33are on computer
29:34these days,
29:35so I just need
29:35to find me
29:36laptop up.
29:40thank you.
29:43Yeah,
29:44I do think
29:44about it often.
29:46You know,
29:46there's certain cases
29:47that you never forget
29:49and this is one of them.
29:52There's always regret,
29:53there's always decisions
29:54made that
29:56in passage of time
29:58are not the right decisions.
29:59if that oven
30:01hadn't led me
30:02into a
30:04completely different direction,
30:07things would have been different.
30:11At the end of the day,
30:12I hope there's justice
30:13for the family,
30:14for the victims.
30:17It would give me
30:18some satisfaction
30:19to say the least
30:19as well.
30:29updated DNA samples
30:31must also be collected
30:32from suspects
30:33in the previous
30:34murder investigations.
30:37Why don't you need
30:38a fresh sample?
30:39As DNA technology
30:41moves on,
30:41so at the minute
30:42we're on now
30:43what is called
30:44DNA 17,
30:45which is a totally new
30:47sort of way
30:47of us taking DNA
30:48and obviously profiling
30:50it as well.
30:50Right.
30:51So as DNA progresses,
30:52the old samples
30:53become worthless.
30:55So you're telling me
30:56so everyone
30:57on your database
30:58has got to be updated?
30:59Yes.
30:59Unless they've been
31:00arrested since 2017,
31:01we've got to update them.
31:03That's fine now.
31:03So this is specifically
31:04for the Unicrown
31:05investigation.
31:06So are you
31:07going to all people
31:08when who've
31:09been arrested?
31:10Yeah, so it's not
31:11just itself.
31:12Fair enough.
31:12Yeah, I understand that.
31:13Anyone that we took
31:14DNA off before,
31:15we've just upgraded them.
31:16It's fine.
31:17No, I'm not
31:17got anything to worry
31:18about, so.
31:20I'm going to take
31:21a seat again for me.
31:24Have you had
31:25DNA done before?
31:26Yeah.
31:27Yep.
31:29Cool.
31:29Can I just
31:30open my face, please?
31:36I've got a ship
31:37rowing my way,
31:37but what do you do?
31:41Just certain people
31:42out there who
31:44take advantage
31:45of the situation
31:47some people are in.
31:55Dave, Dave,
31:57what do you call Dave?
31:58Dave, anything.
31:59Okay, Dave, so
32:00it's going to be
32:01six times
32:02on the inside
32:03of your cheek
32:03and then you're going
32:04to have one
32:04on the other side?
32:05Okay.
32:06Yeah.
32:06Okay.
32:09I think the offender
32:12carrying this secret
32:13for the last
32:1411 years,
32:16it's a huge
32:16burden
32:17and to wake up
32:19every morning
32:20wondering whether
32:20or not
32:21we're going to come
32:22knocking on the door
32:23that day.
32:24Even after
32:2511 years,
32:28you're still
32:29looking over
32:29your shoulder.
32:46As it stands
32:47with the investigation,
32:48we've got the
32:49circumstantial evidence,
32:50which obviously
32:51is largely the same
32:52as back in 2013,
32:532014,
32:53and that
32:54hasn't significantly
32:55changed.
32:56We're obviously
32:56waiting for DNA
32:58results to come back,
32:59but there's a couple
33:00of names that keep
33:01coming up in the
33:01Whiz Beach community.
33:09I moved to
33:10Magazine Lane
33:10around 2014,
33:1210 years ago.
33:14The murder
33:15had already happened
33:16and we could see
33:17on the lamppost
33:19all the signs,
33:19the rewards
33:20and things like that.
33:22I did hear a couple
33:23of rumours
33:23there was two
33:24of the lads
33:24involved in it.
33:25The rumours
33:26round town
33:27is that them
33:27two had done
33:28the murder.
33:32Mark Coleman
33:33and there was
33:34another bloke
33:35dropping.
33:39You know,
33:40you heard things
33:40in my speech.
33:41Yeah,
33:42all the gossip.
33:43One for you,
33:44I'd.
33:45Mark Coleman.
33:46Right.
33:47There was gossip
33:47from years back
33:49when Mark was
33:49involved.
33:50Do you know
33:50Mark?
33:52Yeah,
33:52I've known him
33:53for years
33:53from around
33:54Whiz Beach.
33:55He'd been given,
33:56you know,
33:57he was sleeping
33:57rough and that
33:58and begging
33:59in town and stuff.
34:05In a close-knit
34:08town like
34:09Whiz Beach,
34:10the same names
34:12crop up all the time.
34:14The usual suspects.
34:17In the afternoon
34:18about five,
34:18I bumped into Mark Coleman.
34:20Where?
34:21On the corner of
34:22the corner of
34:22Magazine Lane.
34:24On the Friday
34:25before she got murdered.
34:26OK.
34:28We look at
34:29profiling all the people
34:31that come in
34:31to the investigation.
34:34Yeah,
34:34and you saw
34:34Mark Coleman
34:35on the Friday night.
34:36assembly standing on the corner
34:37on the corner on the Friday
34:38on Magazine Lane.
34:40They reckon that he wreaked
34:41the petrol.
34:45Roger.
34:45I think Mr. Coleman
34:46would take priority.
34:49The community had already,
34:50to an extent,
34:52said that he was the murderer.
34:53So then we get back
34:54to that public perception
34:56of Mark Coleman's
34:57walking around Whiz Beach.
34:59He's murdered
35:00Una Crown.
35:02Why haven't the police
35:03locked him up?
35:05Mark,
35:05what have you been up to,
35:06mate?
35:06Come on,
35:07come off the road.
35:08Just have a quick chat.
35:09That one's behind you,
35:10mate,
35:10because it's the only
35:11safe way to do it.
35:13OK?
35:15So you've got nothing
35:16on you whatsoever?
35:17No.
35:18A lot of people
35:19around Whiz Beach
35:20are saying that they,
35:21it was Mark,
35:22with no proof.
35:23Everyone's just saying
35:24it's him.
35:37From an investigation
35:38point of view,
35:40he might be a person
35:41of interest
35:42and a potential suspect.
35:44So we have to look at
35:46everything from
35:46the previous investigations.
35:55The reason why
35:56you're here today,
35:56Mark,
35:57is on suspicion
35:57of murder
35:58of Una Crown.
35:59Also in custody,
36:01in relation to this offence,
36:03is a close friend of yours.
36:06Tell me about your relationship
36:07with Mark Coleman.
36:09You mean,
36:09Paul,
36:09mean?
36:10Is there a collusion
36:11between the two of you
36:12to hide responsibility
36:14for the death of Una Crown?
36:15No,
36:16call.
36:16A witness
36:17overheard a conversation.
36:19They heard
36:20one of you say
36:21the old lady
36:22from his bitch.
36:23Can you think of
36:24anything that could
36:25possibly mean?
36:25No comment.
36:27The comments were
36:28to the effect
36:29or I did try
36:30to set fire to her.
36:34No comment.
36:36And what was said
36:36also during that conversation
36:38was
36:39stick to the same story.
36:42But why would you
36:43need to keep to a story?
36:45No comment.
36:46Keep to a story
36:47from who, Mark?
36:48No comment.
36:49We searched your address.
36:51Yep.
36:52And a keepsake tin
36:53was a
36:54Russian
36:55clothing book.
36:57Maybe it was
36:58born that time.
36:59Did you tell that
36:59from the Una Crown?
37:00No comment.
37:02Your bone data
37:03which has been looked at,
37:04that data
37:05is on his beach
37:05that night.
37:07And he'd gone in there,
37:08committed a burglary,
37:10it's gone wrong.
37:10No.
37:11Because this is a little
37:12old frail lady
37:12that's died.
37:13I can't.
37:15What are you hiding?
37:20Are you involved
37:22in the murder
37:23of Una Crown, Mark?
37:24No comment.
37:25Did you murder
37:26Una Crown?
37:29All I want to say is
37:30I'm going to kill
37:31no one, right?
37:32Simple as that.
37:34And I'm pissed off
37:35keeping to the
37:36and keep doing it.
37:38The focus of the
37:39investigation has to be
37:41what ticks
37:42the motives of a murder
37:45or the mindset
37:46of a murderer.
37:48Were they trying
37:48to cover something up?
37:50Was it hatred?
37:53Was it a sexual offence?
37:58Jess, can I just
37:58show you this?
37:59You know David Newton?
38:01That's where Newton lives.
38:03That's his house there.
38:05Have you been there?
38:05Have you been to a magazine?
38:06Yeah.
38:07You know how quiet it is?
38:08Yeah, yeah.
38:09So...
38:09It's like a close, isn't it?
38:10More than a...
38:11Yeah.
38:12This is his manner.
38:12This is...
38:13And these are reported fires
38:15right from
38:172004 to 2020.
38:18And this is
38:19post the murder as well.
38:21He used to walk his dog
38:22all the way down magazine
38:23close
38:24and right the way
38:26along magazine lane.
38:27All these fires
38:29have suddenly just
38:30sprung up.
38:33With fires being set
38:35at the murder scene
38:36the new investigation team
38:38revisit local residents
38:39about arsons
38:40reported in the area.
38:45in the area.
38:46Hello there.
38:46Graham McMillan
38:47from the Major
38:48Climbing Unit.
38:48Nothing to worry about.
38:49Have you got a few minutes
38:50to speak?
38:50Yes, of course.
38:51Come in.
38:53That bin outside
38:54was set on fire
38:55about five years ago.
38:58Yeah.
38:58And fences up there
38:59was like set on fire.
39:01Your fence?
39:01Yeah, my fence.
39:02Dave was
39:03a known
39:04arsoness
39:06around here.
39:07How do you know
39:08it was Dave?
39:10Fingers had up
39:11really.
39:12A lot of people
39:12said it was
39:13he had known
39:15for it
39:15making fires
39:16and
39:16And the general chat
39:18is known
39:19as the arsonist.
39:20Yeah, exactly.
39:21I've known him
39:21for 20 years.
39:22Did you?
39:22Yeah.
39:23Okay.
39:24And how did you find him?
39:26A bit strange.
39:28And people said
39:28he's a bit
39:29you know
39:30watching
39:30and he's a bit
39:32dodgy.
39:32He used to smell
39:33of alcohol
39:34all the time.
39:36One of my
39:38neighbours
39:38like friends
39:39Yeah.
39:40And we all used
39:41to speak about
39:41the murder
39:42Yeah.
39:43And he had it
39:45in his head
39:45it's like
39:45yeah he did
39:46the murder.
39:57Please tell me
39:58your full name
39:59and address.
40:01David Newton
40:02Yeah
40:03magazine close
40:05Yeah
40:05It was rich.
40:07I interviewed
40:08David Newton
40:09back in 2013
40:10over several hours
40:12a number of interviews
40:13and he was
40:15extremely difficult
40:16to interview.
40:17Tell me
40:18how you know
40:19Una
40:19and what you know
40:20about her
40:21and all your
40:21interactions with her.
40:23I probably might see
40:24you about once a week
40:25or I don't
40:26honestly
40:26probably might be
40:28once a fortnight.
40:29He prefixes
40:31all of his answers
40:31with probably
40:33you know
40:33I can't remember
40:34I don't know
40:35I can't be sure
40:36I may have
40:37but it is frustrating
40:38when they're being
40:39so vague
40:39because you've got
40:40nothing to hang
40:40anything on.
40:41We've always had
40:42the odd fire
40:43up and down
40:43the lane
40:45I didn't really know
40:45much about it
40:46until I went
40:48out to the
40:49green house
40:49and I thought
40:49I saw this
40:51charred paper
40:52Would it have
40:53been before
40:54After
40:54the murder
40:55after the murder
40:56After the murder
40:57was that?
40:57I'll say
40:57maybe four years
40:58ago
40:58Did you report
41:00this to anybody?
41:01No
41:01Not till you
41:03come round here
41:04A little bit
41:05further down
41:06same side
41:07of the road
41:07there's a
41:09council
41:10little bit
41:10if you like
41:11that was set fire
41:12and took
41:13some of the hedge
41:14there was one
41:16just up here
41:17There's been
41:17lots of
41:18bins
41:19mysteriously
41:19going on fire
41:20Who do you
41:21think's been
41:21setting the
41:22fires
41:22wrong?
41:23Dave
41:24He always
41:25thought there
41:25was something
41:26dodgy about him
41:27anyway
41:28There was
41:29three seats
41:30of fire
41:32in Una's
41:33bungalow
41:33and this was
41:34part of the
41:34murder
41:37As a detective
41:38you just keep
41:39digging and
41:39digging
41:39until you get
41:40to the truth
41:41That's what we
41:42want
41:42We're after
41:42the truth
41:43at the end
41:43of the day
41:45We look at
41:46all fires
41:47in the locality
41:47at the time
41:49and since
41:50one person's
41:51name kept
41:52coming back
41:52David Newton
41:54He is a
41:55local arsonist
41:56I'm sure of it
41:56There are a
41:57number of
41:58fires down
41:59magazine
41:59close
42:00and magazine
42:01lane
42:01Are you aware
42:02of any of those?
42:03I've heard of them
42:05Do you remember
42:06the fire that
42:07happened
42:07about two weeks
42:08ago?
42:09There was
42:09plenty of
42:09when I come
42:10round the
42:10corner
42:11Yeah
42:11From what
42:12they can
42:13see
42:14the natural
42:15way
42:15that anyone
42:16who would
42:17set a fire
42:17and then
42:18run off
42:19They went
42:20down the
42:20alleyway
42:22as you
42:23were coming
42:23out
42:26Did you
42:27set the
42:27fire?
42:28No I
42:28did not
42:28set the
42:29fire
42:34Hiya
42:34Is Paula
42:35in please?
42:36Yes
42:37Hiya Paula
42:40Hiya
42:40Do you
42:41Do you
42:41know
42:41how
42:41that
42:41could
42:41have
42:41started?
42:42We
42:43have
42:43our
42:43theories
42:43but
42:44we
42:44think
42:45it
42:45was
42:45Dave
42:45next door
42:46And it's your blue
42:47bin outside your bedroom window
42:49I take it in your recycling bin there was nothing that was flammable
42:52there as in
42:52No
42:53That could have caused the fire itself
42:54No
42:54Okay and you reported that to the police?
42:57No because there were so many done at the same point so I don't think any of us
43:00did
43:00Okay
43:01No because I think roof over the road she had hers done as well
43:04Rumour that just kind of got round that it was him
43:06Okay
43:07So it was this one first and then there was another one
43:09Then there was another one
43:10And what was the second one?
43:12Same again blue bin
43:13Dave was automatically always the first choice
43:15He got to know that he wasn't allowed in my house if he was drunk
43:18If he's had too much to drink you don't want to even cross paths with him because he can be
43:24quite
43:25um touchy-feely and he would push it he would just take it that little bit too far for my
43:30comfort
43:30Yeah
43:31Like so like it was like you have words with him and then something goes wrong
43:35Something will happen
43:38It's finally important that you speak to neighbours in that local community in Magazine Lane
43:43because there may be other offending or similar offence types in the murder that a suspect may continue to commit
43:52Now yesterday we spoke to Carol
43:54The blue she's in the next close
43:55She says one day about six o'clock you were at the door selling knuckle tickets
44:01She asks you to shut the door and then she goes back into the house
44:05She goes into the bedroom she takes her dressing gown off and she turns round and you're stood there
44:12No
44:14And so she stood there in her bra and her pants
44:18That's ridiculous that is
44:21I wish she'd got an idea
44:24David Newton is a person you said you said you'd known just to say hello
44:28Yes we've lived in here a long time
44:31You reported to us back in 2013 if you remember you had a trailer fire
44:35That's right it was the garages down the bottom there
44:38Who did you think had set the fire?
44:41Well obviously we all think it was him because several bins have been set fire down here and everyone seems
44:48to think it's him
44:49Have you seen any other behaviour from David of course you're concerned?
44:53Well yes yes but
44:56He used to walk the dog at unusual times in the evening
45:00Yeah
45:01It's all everybody will point the finger at him but you've never really got any hard evidence
45:08Yeah okay
45:09I think any detective to review what we had David Newton would have to be at the top of your
45:15list
45:15Albeit all uncircumstantial there was no forensics
45:21You did get a gut feeling but it wasn't just a gut feeling
45:25I've seen what David Newton was like and basically a leopard doesn't change its spots
45:30And I believe David Newton is the killer
45:44What do you use to describe him?
45:47A bully
45:48A beast
45:50Don't trust what anything comes out of his mouth
45:53We've got a YSTR result which has given us a positive finding
45:57YSTR profile DNA has been detected and Mark Coleman's DNA is no match at all
46:05So completely out of the investigation
46:06Yeah
46:07Excellent
46:10Hello police
46:13The DNA match in isolation is not going to prove the case
46:18He's a naval bastard and Martin is guilty
46:25He's a fan of doesn't include astersunders
46:28He's a band to prove the fact that it was not the building
46:37That's pretty awesome
46:46In this case another man
46:46He's aisted guy
46:49He's a veteran
46:50Oh
46:51Single
46:52Kind
46:52Amen.