00:00Our wish list for the Falcons covered the linebacker spot.
00:03I want to move on to the offensive tackle.
00:06And, of course, we still don't know whether we're going to be trading back,
00:09still going to be picking at 48.
00:11We just don't know at this point.
00:12But as far as your wish list,
00:13who would you want to see drafted in the offensive tackle spot?
00:17So, I like what Mike did with the linebacker.
00:21I did something similar with the offensive line position at the tackle.
00:26But what I did, and my thinking, I should say,
00:30because I don't think you're going to –
00:35I prefer to go front seven or wide receiver with the first two picks
00:40on the defensive side.
00:42Either fill it with a defensive tackle and a linebacker
00:45or defensive tackle and maybe a wide receiver.
00:48I would agree with that.
00:49Because I think – I just personally, what we have there is good.
00:53I also am a Jawan Taylor hater, as you all know,
00:58as far as – he played at Florida.
01:00I watched him.
01:01He's a walking penalty.
01:02But I think the guy's immensely talented.
01:05I really do.
01:06He's got – he's way – if you were comparing talent and stuff,
01:11I believe he's more talented than Caleb McGarry.
01:13I'm a big Caleb McGarry guy.
01:15So, I was thinking about this, and there's a name who I think you can get
01:20in later rounds who is a third-team All-SEC, played left tackle,
01:27and I think that he would be there and that maybe you could move him
01:33to right and cross-train him and have him as your swing tackle.
01:37His name is Austin Barber.
01:39He played at Florida.
01:41Now, here's the problem.
01:43I've seen him at left tackle, and I've seen him have problems.
01:46The guy at the edge from Texas A&M, the guy that's really quick off the ball,
01:54he ate him alive.
01:55He ate him alive.
01:56In fact, the biggest thing that bothered me was Billy Napier never gave him help
01:59until the very end, but he ate Austin Barber alive.
02:02Yeah.
02:02But I wonder, and I wanted to get Mike's take on this, this is a guy you couldn't
02:08move to right tackle, train for a year, maybe be a swing tackle type position
02:16since he's played left in college.
02:18I just wonder how hard it would be for him to move to right and go over there
02:23and kind of cross-train at both those positions, and then maybe if the Jawan Taylor
02:29experiment's not working, if he gets injured, or if after, if he plays himself
02:34into a big deal somewhere else, he couldn't slide into that right tackle spot.
02:38Yeah.
02:39So I've seen a little bit of Austin Barber, and I do remember exactly what you're
02:42talking about.
02:43It's like frustrating.
02:44It's like, okay, you know this guy's going to struggle.
02:46It's the Caleb McGarry against T.J. Watt conversation.
02:50It's like, oh, man, he's getting ate alive.
02:52Yeah, but at what point should you have looked over there and gone,
02:55this is going to be an issue.
02:56We should probably make sure this is not an issue.
02:59So I do remember Austin Barber from that.
03:01The question I have when it comes to Austin Barber is, when you say later in the
03:05draft, where are we talking?
03:06Are we talking fourth or sixth?
03:08Because that's a massive difference for me.
03:10Well, again, I think he's probably going to go in the fourth round.
03:16You're supposedly going to pick up more picks, so maybe you'd have an extra one
03:21there.
03:23He's, I don't know if he makes it, I'm not sure if he's there in the sixth,
03:26because he's pretty good at the run game.
03:29In fact, he kind of, if you read about him and you watch him, he's got some McGarry in
03:37him.
03:37Good in the run block.
03:39He's actually pretty good at pulling and doing some of the stuff that you want to do.
03:44He's very physical in that.
03:45He's just a little slow with his feet, I feel like, and you tell me if I'm wrong or right
03:52or what you saw, because I think that's what hurts him when he was facing quicker guys.
04:00It's funny to look at this because the guy that you selected in everything you're saying
04:05about him, he's like the exact same prospect as the guy I went with.
04:09I went with Demetrius Crownover.
04:10He's a right tackle from Tex A&M.
04:12Now, he's going to be ranked a little bit higher than an Austin Barber.
04:15I think he's definitely a solid fourth rounder, end of third rounder, but their measurables
04:21are like exactly the same.
04:226'7", 3'18", outstanding length.
04:25Crownover used to be a tight end and transitioned over to playing offensive line.
04:30He pulls well.
04:31He ran the counter scheme there at Tex A&M.
04:33His feet are a little bit slow, but his strength and his length and everything else that come along
04:38with it are very, very good, and he has shown the ability to kind of cross-train and play
04:43both positions, and I do think he'd be a good developmental prospect.
04:49I haven't watched enough of Austin Barber to sit there and go, okay, I trust his feet that
04:54he can do it on both sides.
04:55A skill set to be a swing tackle is very, very unique.
04:59I wasn't ready to do that until three or four years, third year I think I was doing that.
05:05In my career, it's something that I had to develop over time.
05:09Numerous pass sets on the left side, numerous times against John Abraham.
05:16You have to develop that over time.
05:18It is intriguing to me, though, that we both went with almost the exact same profiles.
05:21This is the kind of guy that you're going to find in the mid-rounds that you can develop
05:25that can become a guy at a certain point.
05:28You just hope that you don't have to rely on them in year one.
05:31How far apart do you think you guys are on defensive tackle?
05:34I don't know, man.
05:35The floor is yours here.
05:36Now I'm very curious where you went here.
05:38Well, I'm greedy.
05:42And here's the thing.
05:43All second-round picks?
05:44Well, yeah, it has to be.
05:47I'm a Caleb Banks stan.
05:52He's everything.
05:53And look, when I say that, I just didn't want to talk about Christian Miller
05:57because I feel like he gets talked about a lot in this city,
06:02and I think he's phenomenal.
06:03I would take Christian Miller in a heartbeat.
06:05Where'd Caleb Banks go to school at?
06:06Just asking for the crowd.
06:08It's not about that.
06:11I know that it sounds lazy.
06:13It's crazy.
06:13You know why I love Caleb Banks?
06:15Because he's 6'7", 330.
06:19He can – go ahead.
06:21Just do it.
06:226'7".
06:236'7".
06:23It happened twice.
06:25We skipped it the first time.
06:26We had to put it in there the second time.
06:29He can play anywhere on the line, Mike.
06:31That's the thing for me, especially at a position that you, that we,
06:36that everyone that follows this team, that pulls this team,
06:40thinks you need, is a big guy in the middle.
06:42But you can move him out there, depending on if you've got some stand-up guys,
06:48and he can be on the end of the line, right?
06:50He can do everything.
06:52I don't – again, the problem is, is we're talking about – the problem with
06:58this draft is – and, Allie, we talked about this the other day – you don't
07:03know what position's going to go on a run.
07:05And one of these positions we're talking about is going to go in a first-round
07:09run, and a Caleb Banks or a Christian Miller could be gone at 31 or 40,
07:17and you never see him.
07:19Let's talk about this from an administrative standpoint, as if we were Ian Cunningham,
07:23slash – and I'll go to Jeff Ulbricht.
07:26Because I talked myself out of this exact talking point.
07:29You said he can play anywhere up and down the line of scrimmage.
07:31And I went into this thinking, okay, I'm going to find somebody that can play
07:34multiple positions.
07:35That's what we've done.
07:36We've got Rook, and we've got Dorliss, and we've got Zach Harrison, and all these
07:39guys can play nose guard, and the B-gap, and five technique, and everything else up
07:44and down the line of scrimmage.
07:46And then I talked myself out of it because I started looking at it, wondering if that's
07:52not what we need.
07:53Maybe, maybe what we need, and maybe what Ian Cunningham will covet, and maybe what
07:59Jeff Ulbricht ultimately would desire in a situation like this is a normal 330, 320-pound
08:06nose guard who can two-gap right there in the middle.
08:09Maybe he says, look, on second down and six, we're going to play four-cross, and we'll
08:14play Rook, and we'll play Dorliss, and we'll play all these guys, but when it comes to
08:17these obvious rundowns and early first and ten kind of things, we're just going to play
08:22a nose guard.
08:22And so I went with a guy in Lee Hunter, who's a defensive tackle at Texas Tech.
08:28I think that he has, he is strong hands, which we've talked about before, great at anchoring
08:34on double teams, can really hold the point of attack at one-on-one.
08:37And I also think he has the power, and this is the key, to actually push the pocket in
08:44pass rush.
08:45Now, Rook, swim move.
08:47Dorliss, swim move.
08:48David Onyman, swim move.
08:49A pocket pusher, Bo.
08:51It's something we've talked about, and it's something about flushing these guys out to
08:55these edge defenders that we drafted last year.
08:58How do you get Jalen Walker to get more sacks?
09:01It's not just having somebody on the other side.
09:03It's having somebody in the middle that can walk that center back into the quarterback's
09:07lap and force that guy to flush.
09:09So I went with more of a prototypical A-gap defender in Lee Hunter from Texas Tech.
09:146'4", 3'18".
09:15He is a tree stump of a defender, and I really like his skill set.
09:20Can I ask you about a guy, then, if you want to talk about this position?
09:24Sure.
09:25How do you feel about Dominique Orange?
09:27Big citrus from Iowa State.
09:29He is literally what you just talked about.
09:33He's 6'2", 320-ish, 325-ish.
09:38He's that guy.
09:39Yeah, he is.
09:39He's that guy, and he could be there, too.
09:41Lee Hunter, let me tell you something.
09:44If they draft Lee Hunter Saturday when me and Mike are doing the draft show with Grant,
09:51I'll be all smiles.
09:52And I know we're going to get into this, but he is my, right now, I think he fits not
09:59only
09:59what we need schematically, but I think he fits where you get him.
10:02I think he's a second-round draft pick, much in the way you just talked about, Caleb Banks.
10:06So when you start putting the draft together and we start talking about these top prospects,
10:09I start looking and go, what can we get where?
10:12I'm piecing together who's second, who's third, who's fourth.
10:15I think he fits right in the skill.
10:16I don't mind Big Citrus.
10:19I didn't think his first step was as good as Lee Hunter, and that's why I went with
10:23Lee Hunter right there.
10:24I'm telling you, guys, if you don't know Lee Hunter, look him up a little bit.
10:29We would all love.
10:31Just watch the playoff game.
10:33He's unbelievable.
10:33Watch the playoff game in the Orange Bowl.
10:35He's unbelievable.
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