00:00In terms of defence spending, I think that's been a failure of all governments for a long time.
00:06I think we all, all political parties, need to face up to that.
00:10The question is, are you doing that quickly and properly?
00:13I believe we've been leading that argument.
00:16We're the only ones who argue for a European rearmament bank, for example.
00:20We're the only ones arguing for defence bonds.
00:23You know, I don't see the Certificate of Reform putting any serious proposals about how you would meet the increase
00:29in defence spending.
00:31And I look forward to what Lord Robertson says if he's got some proposals and will listen very carefully to
00:36him and others.
00:37We need to get together as a country.
00:40The defence challenges for our country are so serious.
00:44With war on our continent for the first time for a long time, with Russia invading Ukraine,
00:50surely that's been the wake-up call that we needed.
00:53The government hasn't gone as fast as it should have, given those circumstances.
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