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00:00all right what up though it's big homie kimbrough for another segment of convos with kimbrough
00:06i have the pleasure to be introducing a friend of the show i discovered his music
00:12nappy devy what's up bro what up though what up what up what up what's going on with you
00:17uh not much man life bills art okay uh new puppies and um yeah man not yeah man but other
00:28than that
00:29bro just you know been in a really create uh creative space i'm just doing a lot right now
00:33but yeah man i appreciate you having me for sure for sure now for our listeners describe you know
00:40who you are for people to have never probably heard of you before um my name is nappy devy i'm
00:46from the
00:46east side of detroit um seven mile to be exact if you uh grew up um a little like grass
00:53shirt seven
00:54mile area um been writing music since i was like i want to say 13 but i started writing poetry
01:01first
01:01when i was 11 um hip-hop r&b head uh love rock music too great performer um been doing
01:09it for a long
01:09time i really kind of just an underground artist just making his way through the uh you know through
01:13the nooks and crannies through the cracks of it uh you know uh 29 virgo
01:21no i don't know okay that's debbie no let's get into you so um i've i've done my research on
01:30you
01:30and stuff like that now one of the main things um that stood out to me was that you've been
01:35pretty
01:35open about being homeless in high school and while starting your music career at 15 yeah how did those
01:42early struggles uh shape the pain that listeners hear in your music um so
01:52like i grew up in poverty you know uh my parents were very poor i hate to say that but
01:58it's you
01:59know it's a common thing especially coming from detroit um music was like my outlet to like escape
02:04and to express um when i was like younger uh one of my teachers uh informed me like hey why
02:10don't you
02:10write poetry you're a good writer um you don't listen in class so do something to to really you
02:16know put your mind to something to put your mind to and i started writing poems when i was like
02:2011
02:20years old uh and uh later on as i got like a little older mature um my stepdad at the
02:28time he was oh you
02:29write poetry uh let's check out this white boy and he gave me the marshall mathers lp i was like
02:3513
02:36and um and he should have never gave me that like album to begin with because that's insane bro like
02:43i'm listening to i'm gonna kill you you don't want to with me and i'm like oh god yeah that's
02:48a lot to
02:48give yeah yeah preteen as a teenager right but but it did like kind of like inspire like um was
02:56like
02:56the kickstarter of you know me actually writing my own songs and beginning the process of like oh
03:02my artist's journey and figure out who i am as a writer but what i want to say what i
03:07want to
03:07deliver um as i mentioned that it was a form of escapism for me like it was like uh my
03:12way of
03:15you know figuring it out through daily living rather it be just me catching the bus listening to music
03:22rather be just me freestyling my friends at the you know the uh the lunch table and i now i'm
03:30here and
03:31i'm just like oh cool like it's been a cool journey so that's dope yeah that's dope so being from
03:37the
03:37east side you know it clearly is central to your identity yeah how does that specific energy of the
03:45313 you know influence you um it's so funny you said that because i just moved west so now i'm
03:53like
03:53looking at two different worlds i mean it's still detroit but i see the difference from the west side to
03:58the east side like the east we're more like i love us to death but we're more chaotic we're a
04:05little more wrenchy talk our ish you know what i'm saying gonna be uh all you know face with it
04:11but
04:11we definitely get the job done we're hustlers um but i will say about the west it's a more mature
04:17crowd i i typically see a lot of older people on the west side or people who are trying to
04:24go into
04:24their business bag you know because as you know living noise that whole street is nothing full
04:29of black businesses black success right and i would love to see out in the east um but really growing
04:34up
04:34on the east it kind of just you you grow a tough skin you start to catch on to like
04:39uh the things that
04:41you know your cousins or you know neighbors uh were adapted to and like basically capping like oh people
04:48joking and going back and forth the banters um it it helped you know formulate who i am um even
04:57as a
04:57writer like my experiences on the east man has like i think nobody can't step to me because i'm an
05:06outsider bro i don't know but like bro like no no disrespect to the west at all i love the
05:11west i love
05:11detroit in general but bro this the east me bro it made me who i am like as a rapper
05:17as an artist but
05:18as you know debbie so right so now you've spoken about finding yourself you know through music and
05:26meditation and african spirituality after cutting your hair in 2021 yeah man and so how has this
05:34spiritual shift influenced the sound um i guess the newer sound i would say spiritual shift is kind of
05:41like uh more confidence okay more uh uh let me say more foundation understanding what it is that i'm
05:52trying to say as a person uh naturally being myself of course but um i think going into like i
05:59cut my locks
06:00because um i don't know if you're going to enter into this from seeing posts and stuff but i lost
06:04my brother so um i appreciate it um i cut my locks because um he had dreadlocks and i didn't
06:13even grow
06:13my hair out before then like i didn't know we could have like long hair my mom was the mom
06:18who would
06:18give us the chili bowl we looking at mess in school bro like it was crazy but but um you
06:25know when i saw
06:26my brother went to prison for like three years i saw him get out of prison and he had locks
06:30and i was like bro what are you he like yeah i grew him before i got in i was
06:32like bro what so i
06:33started growing my hair like inspired by him um and then when he passed away it was just kind of
06:38like
06:38a refresher like i just needed a fresh start to i guess kind of like um get all that negative
06:46energy
06:46out of my system yeah um and uh since then like a lot has changed like a lot of great
06:52things since i cut
06:53my locks um and you know kudos anybody on any lock journey you know keep going um i know for
06:58me it
06:58was a uh i was going through a lot with dread so i i had to restart i had to
07:04refresh and now i kind of
07:06just cut it really really low or bald on my monk type ish you know what i'm saying okay so
07:11that's
07:11that's the type of vibe i'm on you know man i feel that now let's get into the music now
07:15we're going to
07:16start current then we're going to start like working our way back because again you've been doing this for a
07:21minute yeah so your most recent work um includes your ep debbie now this has three eyes yes on the
07:30end yeah and it features some explosive tracks that i've heard now how do you explore you know
07:40your writing style for this in general that project yeah exploring my writing style so
07:50debbie was a personal piece um it was like the gap from uh once again losing my brother to i
07:58guess
07:58like late last year because i dropped it december 5th my mom birthday is december 3rd so i dropped it
08:03like close to her birthday excuse me um and i wanted to like showcase my brother's uh lifestyle and mine
08:11um uh and when it came to this project itself i guess i was trying to explain my absence like
08:17grief
08:18and um processing that even if not going to directly into it because i'm still planning to do certain
08:23things later in the future okay i was trying to help people understand like okay this is
08:31these two worlds these two young men like basically like um boondocks great people okay love boondocks
08:38uh riley huey my brother was basically like riley the knucklehead street mentality
08:47really heavy into game culture and i was huey the pro black trying to say the world
08:52you know and i was just trying to bring those two worlds together and that's what was debbie
08:57um i called it debbie because before i dropped the ep called nappy with three eyes right and debbie
09:03was like the continuation of that in the midst of it i dropped a project um that i probably got
09:08a
09:09couple videos out there the music videos out there called uh it was called 13 at new cape and uh
09:16buffoonery as the elite singles but that i'm dealing with something right now when it comes to
09:20streaming but debbie itself man i i guess i was just trying to really be a little more vulnerable
09:27but also showcase my different uh skills like the first song is a little slower the second one is a
09:33little like the beat is crazy uh plan b produced by wyandotte shout out to wyandotte yeah um uh aka
09:40nicholas mccobill um i was just trying to showcase like the hip-hop boom bad vibes like everybody needed
09:47planning in and money problems was the issues that we all deal with on the day to day um as
09:53a writer
09:53i guess i just want people to understand that um we all deal with the same things and i'm just
09:57trying
09:58to be relatable right but come from my own different perspective you know what i'm saying and i just with
10:03debbie i just wanted to showcase who i am um my different uh versatile ways of you know uh expressing
10:12my artistry and just have fun with it so i feel that yeah because one of the standout tracks for
10:17me from that project was uh like i said i went through all all your stuff um your music is
10:22pretty
10:22dope thank you very dope and it's very catchy and i relate to a lot of songs i really appreciate
10:28it
10:29i really like lord of the flies oh man that's one of my favorite songs too a lot of people
10:34like
10:34lord of the flies lord of the flies is actually very good can we just talk just a little bit
10:40about
10:40that song like the inspiration the beat all that so initially uh lord of the flies was like two tracks
10:49like i wrote the first segment of it like the first verse and the hook um different from the rap
10:55verse
10:56the second verse yeah those are like two different pieces like even the little bridge at the beginning
11:00uh before the hook i'm sorry and um it i wrote them separately like and i think lord of the
11:08flies
11:09um it's a movie called lord of flies right but also a book i read the book in high school
11:14my teacher
11:15introduced me in like 12th grade i think it was 12th or 11th grade and um i read it and
11:20it was about
11:21kids being savages kids from the uk um they got into a plane crash i think it was world war
11:28one or world
11:28two i don't really remember around these times and the plane landed on a deserted island and now kids
11:35are um going back into savagery they started off trying to have like this rule sense of you know
11:43like basically how society is now try to have structure and balance and rules but you know the
11:49other kids who are like the stubborn ones or mainly would technically be the bullies they were the ones that
11:55became more savages and but also they were the hunters they were the one that would go get the
12:00the the boars or whatever not boars i'm sorry but you know the uh anything they could find they were
12:05bringing back to the other kids and stuff but that turned them into savages that turned them into like
12:09back to caveman times because they've been on this island for so long right and uh i guess lord of
12:15the
12:15flies was me kind of saying that's how detroit is like we um we're detroit when you come in this
12:22space
12:22you feel the atmosphere of like hustle you feel the atmosphere of everybody's trying to go get
12:27everybody trying to make something of themselves but also struggle to uh understanding that um the
12:32the person next to you might be striving to to pay their bills you know i'm saying might be working
12:37hard to do that right um and they got to go get it some way how unfortunately a lot of
12:43times worse than
12:44others you know for certain people but i think lord of the flies was me trying to explain that world
12:50of
12:51being savage savages in in the city of detroit um and you know i guess the second part was like
13:00it
13:00really fit as i said it was another piece to another song but it fit so well because it was
13:05me trying to
13:06go into the understanding of like i'm a part of this environment right you know what i'm saying but
13:10i'm getting through it my best way without you know get going into the lane of becoming a savage or
13:18becoming
13:19more um you know the dysfunctional yeah with the chaos going on in the world all the time so i
13:30guess
13:30lord of the flies was me just trying to be like um uh melodic but also um because i wanted
13:38to go kind
13:38of slow with i want it to be kind of a dark feel i'm a really big fan of thriller
13:42michael jackson thriller i
13:43wanted it to sound right i wanted it to sound spooky a little bit i wanted it to be like
13:47when
13:48you hear you like oh give me shivers a little bit so i guess that's the kind of vibe i
13:51was going for
13:52and that's one thing that i love about the project because and this music in general
13:57i like music that tells a story thank you i love music that tells a story facts and i like
14:05to hear
14:05from beginning to end yes you know what i'm saying so that's one thing i like about it now you
14:11talked
14:11about debbie being very personal was there anything difficult you know when recording um
14:20like emotionally i think if uh the it's a a skit at the end of money problems um that's my
14:28cousin
14:29donovan like that's um shout out to donovan uh that's my cousin blood cousin um he was really close
14:35to my little brother like they were like brothers there wasn't they were inseparable if i said that
14:39correctly uh uh you know they grew up together they're around the same age yeah and i actually got
14:45that phone call like he called me like really on some like yo i haven't talked like have you talked
14:50to darius have you talked to ace like i'm hearing something going on man like call me back bro because
14:55i need to figure out you know because me and him was the main ones that kept up with him
14:58with the family
14:59stairs was knucklehead he stayed in the streets but he who he would talk to the most was me and
15:05donovan
15:05so i had to put donovan in it and i because i know if dairy like dairy is listening he
15:12would he would
15:12love it i'm pretty sure you appreciate it yeah but um i think that was the hardest thing because
15:18every time i listen to it i can get i don't tend to every time but it can get a
15:22little emotional it
15:22can get like dang man like it's unfortunate that this happened like you know you wish it didn't but
15:31i'm able to make art out of it and that's what's amazing about it and i've also got reactions like
15:36people telling me like bro i cried i'm like whoa like so many people have told me that like yo
15:42i cried
15:42at the end of your project yeah like that's what i was saying like um i resonated with it because
15:48i
15:48seen oh i felt my past and stuff like that people that i know yeah they're going through similar
15:55situations so it definitely resonated with me yeah so i know it resonated with a lot of other people as
16:00well i think that's the blessing though like that you can you know me speaking for me but to be
16:06able to
16:07create art and people feel it on that type of like frequency of like damn like this really made me
16:14cry like i got emotional and i knew when i heard that i knew that my job was done i'm
16:19like oh yeah
16:20yeah check check like mission complete like like because i mean that wasn't a goal to but i was just
16:26really just trying to you know just express but the fact that i can hear people's emotion see them
16:31physically physically cry in front of me like uh one of my friends he was at the little uh release
16:37gig i did and he his girlfriend came up to me like yeah such and such was crying i'm not
16:42gonna say his
16:42name because i don't want to go a blast but she was like yeah he was crying and then he
16:46was like yeah
16:46man that was emotional he came up to me crying i'm like oh that's crazy but it was so cool
16:51it was so cool
16:52that um um to get that that that that that feedback you know like because that it's always
16:59been like that with my music and i think like all people have always tell me like that spoke to
17:02me or
17:03that was very deep like i really resonated with that and um and i guess i'm just trying to get
17:09better
17:09at it you know i guess as i grow and as i mature yeah so yeah it's cool to see
17:14okay now let's get into
17:16your industry and you know future aspirations here now i've done my research again you've opened
17:24up for rhapsody yeah i opened up for rhapsody i think it was valentine's day um me and junie
17:31shout out to junie she's another fire dope artist um uh we opened up for rhapsody i don't remember
17:37the year because my life has passed me by and that's how i know i'm getting old bro no i
17:43think it was
17:44like 20 it was it was it was quote covet era it was like 2021 it was before my brother
17:50passed so uh
17:53um yeah i remember because i was smaller no and my dress was tiny like tell me about that like
18:01how
18:01was that it was cool like it was really dope it was at the garden theater okay no was it
18:06that garden
18:06it's the one that the bowling alley and it's upstairs it's garden theater garden theater yeah okay okay
18:11it was at garden theater it was super dope we got there early um got to do like some uh
18:17uh you know
18:18sound checks and stuff like that uh the homie dose was there he uh shot a couple uh uh he
18:23shot you know
18:24filmed us and took a couple pics cool uh guy um another uh another virgo um and uh yeah yeah
18:33i met her
18:34she was cool she was cool like she was so sweet like she was dope she took a picture with
18:38us and uh
18:40and uh it was just really cool and she was like yo that was y'all i was listening i
18:43was in the back
18:43i was like it was so i don't know it was one of those experiences where i was just like
18:47man like
18:48i felt like i said i'm i'm in the same spaces as these celebrities right you know i'm in the
18:55same
18:55spaces as people who are getting nominated for grammys right and that that was great you know i mean and
19:00now
19:00like i don't know like i can like just recently i met um uh like two celebrities like i met
19:07flavor
19:07flave i met flavor stay here yeah he's always here man yeah i met freaking cookie from uh nez to
19:17classify a nickelodeon show okay he followed me on the gram that was pretty cool and uh i'm just realizing
19:23that they're not out of reach right you know it just seemed like you know they're normal people like
19:28the rest of us definitely um some of them are down to earth some of them could be a little
19:31stuck up
19:32i haven't met anybody stuck up or anything like that but i'm just saying like i'm pretty sure
19:36they're typical people like like us um but yeah uh rap scene was super dope like hopefully one day
19:41she see this and she give me a feature never know like i said i always i'm i'm a firm
19:47believer of what
19:49you put out as well come back to you manifestation so real thing yes sir you know she might be
19:54checking
19:55is out checking you out she might be all right now how does this go back looking back at nights
20:03again i'm i've done my research so looking back at the nights of you spending the night on your
20:10grandma's at your grandma's house which of these achievements you have feels the most surreal
20:17that's a really good one uh from spending nights at my grandma's house at my grandma's house
20:24house to own my own house right uh i just closed on my house january 27th i moved in the
20:31next day
20:31yes immediately like i was over i was over apartment thank you man thank you um yeah dude like from
20:39sleeping on the pallet you feel me like with with all your cousins and now only your own you feel
20:44me and
20:46it feels good like it's that's a major accomplishment i think i'm one of the first if not the first
20:51in my
20:51generation to own a home uh you know this is it doesn't stop here i plan on another one you
20:57know
20:57i plan to i want to actually get into entrepreneurship like try to own my own business too like i'm
21:02i'm
21:03tired of these nine to vives like i feel that you know but um no i mean i like my
21:08nine to five i mean
21:09that's you know nobody to fire me no no shade to anybody who enjoy what they do that's not saying
21:15i don't
21:15it's just that i know i know me personally like i'm i'm a leader so i i'm really stubborn when
21:23i'm
21:23trying to listen to somebody and you got to say it to me the correct way if he's talking to
21:27me crazy
21:27or if i hear it like a slick tone i'm gonna hate you for the rest of the shift so
21:31no no no but but um
21:36yeah like um like uh i don't know like this where i am now i'm the most successful i've ever
21:42been in my
21:43life like um and that's a great thing to say like it's unfortunate my brother can't see this i had
21:48a
21:48moment at the crib where i was just like why but everything for a reason um maybe that journey was
21:54necessary for me you know that door closing was necessary for me to get where i am and to really
21:59appreciate it because he was somebody who's right there with me same palette same same couch same
22:05you know crazy television show like so it's like it's it's great and then now my nephew have
22:13somewhere to like if he want to get away from his moms or if he want to like you know
22:18just get out
22:19the house yeah you can come see his uncle you can come spend some time with his uncle yeah also
22:25my
22:25nephew is in the virgo too so i'm sorry i gotta shout us out bro he's everywhere bro bro we
22:31won the world
22:31bro like my nephew is a virgo so i can't even be me michael jackson kobe bryant beyonce but let
22:39me
22:39stop bro we just we just we just you know i'm sorry go ahead anyway not anyway i'm not trying
22:45to
22:46downgrade that yeah but no my nephew is a virgo so he's very moody so not moody not moody he's
22:52expressive
22:54i don't think he's moody i think he's just trying to
22:58understand you know the world and all the chaos y'all did this we didn't do this okay
23:04everybody else did this gotcha okay he was the part of the shenanigans okay now let's uh uh circle
23:12back just a little bit you had spoke about uh wyandotte yeah and you also work with uh wanderlust beats
23:19what do you look for in a producer to ensure that you capture that vibe for your lyrics
23:27production you got it you got to be able to tell that they love it bro like you could tell
23:32if
23:32somebody's just making a beat just because like um it's the vibe or trying to sound like everybody
23:39else keeping up with the status quo um you could tell the difference from somebody who really enjoy
23:44music yeah compared to somebody who just doing it for a check i feel that you can feel the difference
23:49like you can sonically like i guess um with wyandotte i've known wyandotte for years i've known wyandotte
23:55so i was like 17 18. okay and um great producer great rapper too great uh writer overall but um
24:04man
24:05his uh his production like the thing about dot is dot like to tell a story as well he's a
24:12very story uh
24:13driven person so with his production um you can tell like he he he when he goes into like creating
24:21because i don't i don't i don't know it i don't know what i don't know if he's hitting buttons
24:25on
24:25the keyboard or something i don't know but um when he goes into creating you can tell you actually put
24:29some effort into it you can tell he actually sits and uh knows what he wants to deliver a lot
24:34of his
24:35stuff has vulnerability attached to it rather it be at high frequency b rather be something more slow
24:41monotone it's it has like a oh like uh i can feel this and shout speaking of that i don't
24:49know if you want to
24:50ask this question but i did want to say something yeah okay speaking of that dot mainly uh dot mainly
24:57recorded uh i'm not recording i'm sorry dot produced it produced every this next body of work i'm about
25:03to do okay majority of the song i think like probably once all wind up and i did i did
25:09that because bro
25:10deserve his flowers bro when i heard for a minute bro got his name in certain spaces and he stays
25:16like in
25:17the background so i feel like yeah i kind of wanted to um also because we the homie he the
25:22homie
25:23i i i just want to show people like yeah bro this this guy is crazy like madness um but
25:29it because
25:29it's great so i just i had to i had to i thought uh yeah now if there was one
25:35thing you could change
25:36with the current state the way the music industry views or i should say support independent artists right
25:44what would it be these contracts bro these contracts are crazy like
25:52gratefully you know thank the universe that i haven't had something wild come across me
25:58but i've heard you know about what's been going on in the industry for years decades um
26:08them controlling everything you do or having such a huge percentage of your work that's insane like
26:14you wasn't with me shooting in the gym like why would i why would i give you so much and
26:20i just think
26:21overall the industry the industry needs to do better when it comes to taking care of these artists
26:30mm-hmm and it's in a way that is comfortable but also uh sustainable like um we understand that
26:38there's going to be crazy fans and paparazzi and all this other stuff happening because that's just
26:42everywhere we go that's not just in music that's everywhere politics right everywhere so um i just think
26:51the way the way they treat their artists man they don't treat them they treat them like a tool like
26:59you
26:59know like a a hammer and a screwdriver something to use for the moment and then once it's all done
27:04just throw it back or put it back in the case in the toolbox exactly so and there these are
27:08people
27:08these are people who are giving their lives to um become a public figure to become um a household
27:16name an idol to someone else um that takes a lot of people that can be draining that can be
27:21uh
27:22exhausting that can be frustrating so um they need to give us free health care free
27:29we need it all bro for it all vision you know i see you can see the spectacles i need
27:34everything
27:35i feel that i feel that now let's get into um one of the songs that actually had me have
27:43you come on
27:45five on two oh yeah gotta talk about five on two and we're gonna be playing that a little bit
27:51later
27:51on yeah after an interview so five on two has a distinctive energy yeah compared to all your other
28:00tracks now i understand that five on two did was like one of your earlier works yeah compared to near
28:06your debbie ep yeah but what was the specific mood or event that triggered the writing of that you know
28:13it was crazy i was working at a factory i'm not going to hit a company because i want to
28:18get to
28:18i was working a big company too um and i was working there in the warehouse and um i remember
28:26it very clearance day because uh uh i was stressed out like i was i was dealing with bills i
28:35think i was
28:36staying in roseville at this time uh having like a little apartment out there and i think that was my
28:40first apartment too shout out to my little that little that the young debbie that made it this far
28:45i'm probably right um no i was uh just i think i just was dealing with funds and bills and
28:52processing
28:53stuff and i was at work and i i i heard the beat and i was like yo this is
29:00crazy yeah and this when
29:02i first started my locks like i didn't have long locks on this time um and i was like the
29:07first thing
29:07that came to mind was my hair too nappy i need a retwist right and i knew then oh yeah
29:14this is like
29:15it because nappy debbie or whatever but i knew that i can go into an avenue of like express like
29:23the black experience but not necessarily it doesn't you know color isn't always attached to it but it
29:27was kind of like yo the urban experience the like dealing with poverty and all this stuff like dog all
29:34i got is five i was putting on pump too like that's all i got like hopefully i can make
29:40it to work
29:40and get back home so it's like and bro i remember writing it that's in this this economy right now
29:47it is so crazy like how that song still is for the times you know what i'm saying how that
29:53song
29:53probably will live on forever um and i remember writing it at work like i was i wasn't i was
30:00supposed
30:00to be working but i stopped and i just was like and on my phone like i was just jotting
30:06down i'm like
30:09so so i just kept doing that i kept um finding new uh like bars thinking of new stuff new
30:16material
30:16and i would like roam around the warehouse and then i think of something else and i go into hiding
30:22again
30:22i'm like oh yeah yeah until i found the whole song i think i probably wrote it probably like an
30:27hour
30:27okay yeah like the rap verse um i probably was on break around that time okay i wrote that while
30:33i
30:34was at work yeah that's why it's in the song f these jobs after the last one too i swear
30:39so
30:41so man like it it was such a weird time not in a negative way it was more so kind
30:47of like um
30:48uh i was just growing up i was early like 20s like 24 25 right uh and
30:55i just wanted to say something that everyone would be like yeah bro like i've been there like
31:02throw five dollars on the pump whatever and um and it came through really well like it was received very
31:07well like uh the producer loved it he reposted it was like yo this is crazy so i don't know
31:14like i i i
31:15wanted to be expressive but i also wanted to be vulnerable and i also wanted to showcase because i was
31:23singy rappy in there so i wanted to showcase my my skills of like uh my melodies and my vibe
31:30so i
31:30just was trying to create an earworm for people to go back to and be like play that 502 but
31:36no no for
31:37i had to run it back at least like three times so definitely now that's why i'm saying like the
31:43production the beat of it is very particular now how involved were you in with the whole production
31:50process no i didn't have anything to do with nothing at all nothing though i just heard it
31:54i just heard it pay for it and i was like okay cool it's crazy because the production
32:01just like syncs up with your lyrics yeah so crazy that's why i asked like you know how involved were
32:07you with the production because it just flows what's wild typically i never be involved with production
32:13i don't want ever like if it's a live gig like wait like uh uh you know uh musicians and
32:20stuff
32:20like that okay then yeah i'll kind of tweak something or be like oh i like how that sound
32:24or do this when it's live but when it comes to actual people like producers and doing their own
32:30thing i'll let them do their own thing like because that's not my avenue like um yeah if i'm in
32:35that
32:35space with them um then there's a possibility i could probably i hear this do that yeah but more than
32:40likely i i people go in their dungeon i go in mine and then we uh collide and excuse me
32:48we create
32:48magic that's about it now i'm sorry i'm not gonna cut you off no no no i was i was
32:53gonna say because
32:53this is a segment uh because we were talking about 502 yeah uh shout out to my brother trey he
32:59was in
32:59the video he was in the music video uh my brother trey from high school i have to try him
33:04i can't forget
33:05trey shout out juan too but shine all the way juan all the way on the west coast so he
33:10ain't he ain't
33:11a detroit no more but we still love you want you shout out to trey still detroit even if you're
33:15not
33:15here everybody from detroit he don't love us no more he don't love us no more bro you could never
33:20leave the city bro no i'm playing i'm joking i'm joking no because if i get the chance i'll probably
33:27be
33:27going too but no shout out to my brother country um i have to um he was in the music
33:32video um shout out to
33:34ryan he did the video ryan has done my videos ryan detroit he's done my videos ryan detroit yeah
33:40yeah he's done my videos for years now and you know what's crazy about ryan i met ryan at a
33:45uh at a um event it was like a like a little underground thing i did with underground detroit
33:51um and that was there ryan was really like um his friend was there performing and uh after my set
33:59he was like yo he literally came up to me no bull and was like yo why didn't you do
34:03her
34:03saw his regrets i was like what i didn't never met this man we never don't know this man from
34:08a can
34:09of paint he's like yeah man that's my song bro i listen to that song all the time i saw
34:13your name
34:13on the flyer i was like yo i'm gonna have to come check him out and since then he's like
34:17yeah man i
34:18do photography follow me on the ground since then bro we've been locked in and i was like 20 early
34:2420
34:24before rap city before any of that really yeah he literally came up to me on some like bro i
34:29support
34:29you you dope um i'm just now i think he was he'd been a photographer but i think he was
34:33just tapping
34:34into music videos and stuff okay and like we've been locked in since then like ryan the homie that's
34:40that family right there um trey i think trey was off that day and we just planned it out i
34:47was like
34:47bro what you doing he like nothing i'm like bro come drive us my my car for this music video
34:51like
34:51you trying to be this music video with me and it was like classic we didn't even do anything like
34:56we
34:56didn't plan anything it was just like fluent like we just because trey been my friend for 10 plus years
35:02so it's like it was just natural we were just naturally being ourselves okay as i was singing
35:06the song so okay yeah now you were talking about um you know performing live yeah now how does the
35:13crowd's energy change when you perform songs like five on two with that more melodic tone to tracks like
35:22namaste or left or left on red oh i never perform reps on red you never perform left on real
35:27life
35:28i don't know why that's another that's another fire track i like too personally i mean honestly it's not
35:34my song like i'm a feature but it came from the idea was from me the whole left on red
35:40uh the hook
35:42no disrespect to the artists on that track yeah i really thought it was your song and they were
35:50featured no on your track no i mean well initially i am the one who came up with the idea
35:57okay or the
35:57hook or like how the hook goes i got left on red by a bat that was like a freestyle
36:02thing and the homie
36:03uh hugo he was like yo can i use that and i was like sure yeah and i just i
36:08just put a verse to it
36:09and they threw me at the beginning but it wasn't my song nice initially like i just i gave him
36:13like
36:13you know i gave him a free hook or whatever okay very helpful guy for the free for the free
36:19very helpful guy you see how let's see how much i care about you are you're very humble very humble
36:23and i appreciate you stopping by now we're going to get into five on two but i have like a
36:28few
36:29rapid fire questions rapid fire crazy yeah you know what i'm saying so that way listeners can get to
36:34know you just a little bit more all right now if you weren't a musician what career path would do
36:42you think you would have taken if i wasn't a musician yeah or artist i should say that
36:48artist yeah i don't want to be that person but
36:54that's tough if i wasn't a musician
36:58i would i don't want to do anything corporate
37:05that's a tough question i've never asked myself that question yeah um if i wasn't a musician
37:12i would want to go into business like trying to own my own business for sure okay um uh
37:19i like art in general like i probably would have gone into like i probably would have took drawing and
37:24painting more seriously um i know art is really tough to get into basically if you don't have
37:29like if you don't get up and work and network it's hard right but um i'm a tall guy but
37:38i don't want to
37:39play basketball like i don't want to be up there sweating bro like nah man um i don't know that's
37:45a
37:45really good question it's a really good question it probably would have been something involved in
37:50like astrology really really big on planets okay um very uh like i had the opportunity to work with
37:58like nasa or something and regardless of any controversy dealing with that but with them
38:04they ain't gonna do with me but i like astrology i love planets uh biology really really big animal
38:09here i got three at home um like a scientist yeah yeah something with science um um i dig it
38:18um i would love to travel the world if i had like a job that allowed me to travel that
38:24would be
38:24amazing something i can just do uh on my computer and i can just travel the world oh i have
38:29to travel
38:30for work that that's something i want to do like car crime in san diego man what like like bro
38:37and
38:37or like a i always wanted to be a it's funny to say this i always wanted to be like
38:41a tv host or like
38:43one of those people who'll be like doing the interviews at mtv or to make my job i'm sorry
38:50no no no no for real i will
38:55i always wanted to be the person talking to people like um and just being like oh yeah or something
39:01in
39:01fashion like i don't know like i like to dress up all over the place but i like it though
39:05i am very all
39:06over the place but it's good though very good though you have to have one thing that
39:11i always tell people and i and i've told myself this when i first started working here
39:16but all the way back in 2019 you have to have your hands in multiple pots you know what i'm
39:23saying you
39:24have to be that person where you know hey i can go ask kimbrough he knows you know what i'm
39:30saying
39:30stuff like that and that's where you know you know kimbrough comes from never put all your eggs in one
39:34basket huh never put all your eggs in one basket it's facts it's actual and factual so that's why
39:40i say i commend you for that you know just you know want to do these different things yeah i
39:45mean
39:45it was the same for music though like yeah i initially got into music because of dance like
39:49i was like a huge michael jackson fan okay i was like a kid like five years old dancing the
39:54mic
39:54i started dancing first b2k came out stumped yard i was one of them like oh doing routines in the
40:00basement with my cousins in them yeah going against the girls and stuff battling other kids on the
40:04block i was the kid my mom would call me back do the dance debbie i'm like what dance do
40:09the new
40:09dance the little soldier boy yeah that was me bro don't laugh bro you're not supposed to laugh i'm
40:13sorry this is insulting i'm just i am a guest here you are a guest i'm just i'm sorry i'm
40:19just thinking
40:19about back in my heyday yeah my mom did the same thing to me i do that dance and i
40:25don't be too shy
40:27dance that's why i don't dance in front of people now no bro you gotta hit the dance move bro
40:31i feel
40:31like you could you probably could you know the jit don't you a lot of old heads can jet who's
40:36the
40:36old head i'm sorry like wait don't let the grays just because i got the grays it i didn't even
40:43know
40:43it's the grays see you know what interview over no i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry um no my feet
40:52though it started off with dancing it did it went into writing and performing because i used to do
40:59like uh performing to like uh church music and stuff i was in a divine i was in a youth
41:04group
41:04called divine purpose youth and that was like the kickstarter to becoming more confident as a
41:10performer and i was like 14 15. okay yeah cool now another question studio essentials yeah what
41:18are three things you must have in the booth when you are creating if if three things
41:27it could be one thing is it like before i record or just in general in general
41:36liquor no i'm just joking i'm just joking i don't even drink like that yeah um but i might take
41:41a
41:41shot or two um loosen you up a little bit let me see what three things that i would like
41:49to have in
41:49the studio again it don't have to be three things it can be one thing food gotta have a plate
41:55okay
41:56because i'm going to get hungry in the midst of this especially depending how long the session is okay i'm
42:00gonna have food for sure uh big boy gotta eat um don't laugh uh i just started back smoking um
42:11a
42:12little tree a little marijuana maybe um i try not to smoke before i record because voice wise and not
42:20trying to have like a goofy moment you want to just get every get in and get everything done right
42:23so
42:23it might be like a later uh thing when is everything is over um and depending the day
42:31iced coffee gotta have me yeah yeah i don't do coffee love coffee yeah huge stunts your growth
42:38i ain't never heard that before okay and final question what is a recent purchase under under a hundred
42:48dollars that has been significant to your daily life a recent purchase under a hundred dollars yeah
42:58that's been significant to my daily life
43:03what are you paying like is this like jeopardy is i don't know
43:07just rapid fire just rapid fire okay i'm with you ain't got to think too hard i mean i don't
43:13want to
43:13think too hard about it but i don't want to say something stupid like a bag of chips you know
43:16you
43:16want to say something with some substance if a bag of chips helps you get to your day you know
43:21i
43:21might if i was hungry that day exactly no no no no no you gotta eat recent purchase on my
43:28sweater
43:29like i have like a nice cool jacket i love this jacket okay and it was like 40 bucks 50
43:33bucks card
43:36no it's not card okay i feel it's card that would have been over a hundred dollars not necessarily no
43:40depending on what you get i'll tell you i'll we'll talk off camera i'll tell you where you can go
43:45get you something under a hundred dollars for some card i know i know some people that know some
43:50people yeah keep you posted they know some people um but no no this sweater i love this sweater this
43:54sweater is like it was like 50 bucks it's got amazing it's fire see i wear like every fake
43:59his match is so clean and i'm like it's my steez that's what's up nappy debbie i appreciate you
44:05stopping by today man thank you so much for having me
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