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00:02No, I don't want to lose. You don't play a fair fight. No, I can't decide. If it's worth my
00:09time, maybe train me once. I'll let you think you won't.
00:16Did he sleep with someone?
00:19If you want to know, I will tell you.
00:21I do.
00:23Right now?
00:24Yeah, he's up to someone.
00:24I just would prefer you to call someone else.
00:26I'm sorry, he did.
00:33I know.
00:34It's not surprising.
00:35Like, he probably has fucked everyone.
00:37Dakota and I have been done for a few months, but he's still, like, all about family and wants a
00:42family, love, loves me, his child, all these things. I wanted to be with him, and so for me, it's
00:48very confusing. That's where I think my frustration comes from. This is just, like, my sign. He is who he
00:54is. He's never going to change. It's time to move on with my life.
00:57I'm sorry.
00:58I'm so sorry.
00:59It's okay.
01:01It hurts.
01:02It hurts.
01:02It hurts.
01:03I'm sorry, Taylor.
01:05And he's like, you never loved me.
01:07And I guess I did.
01:08I stayed for three years.
01:12I do feel a little bad about telling Taylor right now, because the reunion's coming up,
01:16and she could be extra emotional now.
01:18But to be honest, there's never a good time to hear something like this. Taylor and Dakota's
01:22dynamic is so toxic.
01:24At this point, I'm not sure if I made the right decision.
01:27I don't know.
01:28I feel like my intentions were good, because she wanted to know.
01:31She was asking me.
01:32But now I'm wondering if I just opened up a bigger can of worms.
01:35Oh.
01:36I'm so pissed.
01:37They're not at him.
01:38It's just him as a person.
01:40I know.
01:41Fuck.
01:43And now he's having sex on TV.
01:46It's like, have you not done enough to me?
01:49And I had to move on.
01:50I have to move on.
01:51Like, I don't have a choice.
01:51That's what sucks.
01:52Yeah.
01:53And I think you're feeling resentful towards him for making you have to do that.
01:57I know we're, like, done.
01:58It's just, like, resurfacing feelings of, like,
02:01it's just reliving them.
02:03The same betrayal I've lived for so long.
02:06It's like, anyone that's ever been in this position knows,
02:08it's like, you're not at you because you're allowing it.
02:11Taylor's allowing it.
02:12I'm doing this to myself.
02:14Like, it's my responsibility to, like, go and stop.
02:17And I just, like, I'm having a really hard time doing that.
02:20So it's just, like, I'm mad at me.
02:22Yeah.
02:25Taylor, stop.
02:26No, I just want to know.
02:27Taylor.
02:28I just want to know why.
02:29Why?
02:30Why?
02:30Why what?
02:31If you enjoyed it.
02:33Taylor, you don't need to know that.
02:34You don't need to know that.
02:36Hello?
02:38Hello?
02:39I just want to know if you, like, enjoyed it.
02:43Taylor.
02:43Taylor.
02:44I'm freaking so sad.
02:46Because you made me do this.
02:48And I didn't want it.
02:49And then you go and have sex on TV.
02:51No, I wanted to.
02:53But you did have sex on TV.
02:54Don't say no.
02:55You did.
02:55I didn't enjoy it, Taylor.
02:57Of course I did.
02:58Oh, you didn't?
02:58You didn't finish?
02:59No.
03:01Did you finish?
03:02No.
03:02Did you finish?
03:04Yeah.
03:04Okay, so you did enjoy it.
03:07What do you mean?
03:09You enjoyed it then.
03:10I can still have sex and it not be enjoyable.
03:14Do you feel better?
03:15As if you didn't hurt me enough.
03:17As if I didn't have to leave you already.
03:19If I didn't hurt you enough.
03:21Who was the one that was always pushing me away?
03:23You.
03:23Was I ever pushing you away?
03:25The entire relationship?
03:26No, Taylor.
03:27Never.
03:27I never didn't want you.
03:28You made it impossible for me.
03:30You made it impossible for me.
03:32I hate how toxic this situation is for Taylor.
03:34It is ruining her day by day.
03:37And I am so hoping that The Bachelorette is a really good detox for her to truly move on.
03:42I'm sorry I moved on.
03:43Like, what do you want from me?
03:44You moved on.
03:46You have another man that you apparently love so much.
03:49I never said love.
03:50Yeah, because you don't like him.
03:52Do you like the girl you fucked?
03:54Fuck no.
03:55Do you even know her?
03:56I mean, no, not really.
03:58So you just fucked some random hoe on TV?
04:04Congrats.
04:04You win.
04:08Come ye saints and come ye saithers.
04:14Alleluia.
04:16Listen up.
04:18I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
04:21I got everything you could ever want.
04:25Try me in your sleep.
04:27I'll bring you to your knees, baby.
04:30You're gonna believe.
04:32I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
04:34I got everything you could ever want.
04:34I got everything you've been dreaming of.
04:42Hey.
04:43Hey.
04:49Hey.
04:51Hey, hi.
04:52Hey.
04:53Hey.
04:54Hey.
05:00Hey.
05:18Babe, spill the tea.
05:20What happened at the villa?
05:21It was crazy.
05:23What do you want to know?
05:24What do you want to hear about first?
05:26Start from the beginning.
05:27You actually don't know, like, pretty much anything.
05:30Tell me everything.
05:31Zach has been back from the dad talk trip for a couple days.
05:35And to be honest, I've been so busy with Dancing with the Stars work and taking care of the kids.
05:40I haven't even had time to talk to him about what happened.
05:43All I know so far is that Zach talked to Marciano more about what happened with Demi.
05:49I actually talked to Marciano for like an hour.
05:51And surprisingly, I trust him personally more than I trust Demi.
05:56Based on my personal experience with her and how manipulative I think she is as a human being.
06:01I'm dying to hear more about what actually happened.
06:04One of my biggest takeaways from the villa is that there is two sides to like all these stories that
06:09are being told.
06:10Like the first dinner, we all wore black because we were like, it's Marciano's funeral.
06:13Like we were all planning on just going ham.
06:14And then we talked to him.
06:15And he really was not a good guy, but like you could just tell like he does have some genuine
06:21remorse.
06:22He was just like, no, like I messed up.
06:24I felt bad about this, but like I don't know how to handle the situation.
06:27This is what happened.
06:28He kissed Demi before he left.
06:30And then he also said when they went up into the bathroom, they did more, more than talking.
06:37Like I talked to Hannah and Hannah's like, yeah, when Marciano and Demi went outside, like they talked for six
06:41hours.
06:42I know.
06:43I've always had a feeling that Demi was lying about the whole Marciano situation.
06:48Even the kumbaya didn't seem genuine to me.
06:52I never wanted to talk about this.
06:54That was the reason of me being like, please, Jen, don't bring this up.
06:57I obviously want to walk out here and be like, oh, I understand Demi.
07:01Like I can see her.
07:02I want to move forward.
07:03But to be honest, I'm even more confused now.
07:06I think a lot of the girls are trying to move past everything that happened.
07:09But to be honest, I'm having a hard time looking past it because I don't think that she should just
07:14get away with treating everyone like crap and then just pretend like nothing happened.
07:21I kind of want to set the record straight.
07:24We'll see what happens at the reunion.
07:26Again, thoughts and prayers.
07:27We're going to need it.
07:28Like I've been on Jordan's biased side.
07:30I've been like, oh, Marciano.
07:31It wasn't until I talked to Marciano.
07:32Even after Jordan found out about the affair, Jesse continued to talk to him.
07:36I think we put so much blame on Marciano.
07:40Marciano this, Marciano that.
07:42This horrible, evil guy.
07:43I'm like, it is just as much Demi and Jesse, if not more, because they were the married ones.
07:48Marciano's single.
07:49So they're way more in fault than him, in my opinion.
07:54I don't know exactly what happened between Marciano and Demi, and I don't think anyone's ever going to know.
07:58I think that the story Brett and Demi are telling isn't true.
08:02The reunion is coming up.
08:03If anyone does call out me or my wife, I'm going to be defensive.
08:08I guess we'll see how it goes.
08:09Sooner or later, everything will come out, unfortunately.
08:12Yeah.
08:13But anyways, Dakota somehow ended up hooking up with this chick.
08:19And he had sex with her.
08:19And he had sex with her.
08:21Oh, my gosh.
08:22Next morning, he seemed really happy.
08:24Because he was slapping cheeks.
08:25And now hearing a little bit more of what actually happened at the villa, especially with Dakota and some of
08:32the girls there,
08:32I definitely think Taylor is going to lose her shiz.
08:37Honestly, going there and seeing the single wife, it made me realize I would, like, I honestly just felt bad
08:44for Dakota and Chase.
08:45I'm like, I would never want to do this.
08:48Instead, we'd rather do this.
08:49I would rather do this.
08:51Yeah.
08:52He's got the best of the best.
09:20He's got the best.
09:24He's got the best.
09:24He's got the best.
09:26He's got the best.
09:27He's got the best.
09:33This is awesome.
09:34Babe, have you been to something like this?
09:36I have.
09:37Demi, why are you allowed the recordings to do today?
09:46But yeah, you guys want to rock and roll?
09:47We're ready.
09:48So ready.
09:48Maybe I'd have a new career in the works.
09:51Have you on this mic here?
09:53Yeah.
09:53All right.
09:53Can you guys hear me?
09:54Yes, sir.
09:55All right.
09:55We got the harmony?
09:57I think so.
09:57Okay.
09:58We're about to find out.
09:59Bring it in.
10:00About to find out.
10:01Good luck.
10:09I see your true colors shining through.
10:17A little flat.
10:19A little flat.
10:19Is it too high?
10:20No.
10:21I got it.
10:22Okay.
10:22Because from what I'm hearing, it's night and day from what I heard in the car to now.
10:26So I almost think you need to take it off so you can hear.
10:28Really?
10:29Yeah.
10:30Yeah.
10:31Call me up.
10:32Cause I will always be there.
10:36I think just a little too intense, pull back a tiny bit.
10:39Okay.
10:41Call me up.
10:42A little too breathy.
10:43I think that's what's making it flat.
10:44Like.
10:46All right.
10:47Sorry.
10:47Again.
10:48From the starter.
10:49Just keep going.
10:50Just keep it going.
10:51True colors are beautiful.
10:57You need to like bring it down here a little bit more.
11:01And I see your true colors shining through.
11:07I see your true colors.
11:11And that's why I love you.
11:16True colors are beautiful.
11:24Like a rainbow.
11:36I loved it.
11:40I think we got some good takes here.
11:41I mean.
11:42That's a wrap.
11:43Thank you so much.
11:44You guys are great.
11:45This was fun.
11:45Yeah.
11:46That was so fun.
11:48So good to meet you.
11:49All right.
11:50You guys have a good one.
11:50You too.
11:51Bye.
11:54You need to be doing that more.
11:55I want to do that more.
11:57That was so like liberating and just felt like, oh, this is what I need to be doing.
12:03How are you feeling about the reunion?
12:04I'm excited to defend you from all this absolute bullshit.
12:09I am so sick of the lies.
12:14I'm sick of the posturing.
12:15They've locked in on the opinion of something happened or what Marciano said is true.
12:22So Zach FaceTimed Jen while he was in the villa.
12:26Yeah.
12:27And they had conversations with Marci Foo Foo, poo poo butt face.
12:32He said that more happened between him and Demi.
12:35He said that there was more than kissing now.
12:38So it just keeps going up.
12:40Zach believed it before he even went.
12:42So that's not shocking.
12:43You want to choose to believe somebody who is well documented liar versus somebody who
12:48has always told the truth.
12:51I want nothing to do with this.
12:53So Jen, why are you still lying about me?
12:55Why are you going on podcasts saying that I sat on Marciano's lap and that I kissed him
13:00in the villa?
13:01This is so crazy.
13:04So Jen and Zach were on the Vile Files podcast and they were asked about what went down between
13:09Demi and Marciano.
13:11I was asking her about how this trip was going and you called me and was like, yeah, Demi
13:14has just been crying in our room for the last hour.
13:16She feels so bad.
13:17She feels like she's cheated on her husband.
13:19Yes.
13:19Well, why?
13:20Well, because she was sitting on his lap.
13:21She was kissing him.
13:23All these things that were never shown in the edit.
13:25I mean, you have a group of people that are constantly trying to poke holes in your story
13:30and lie about you.
13:31I used to feel bad for Zach.
13:33And now that I have seen him repeatedly enable Jen, I feel like he knows better.
13:39A lot of people in the group will try to make excuses for her like, oh, she's just like
13:43saying these things and she thinks they're true.
13:46Well, that's called defamation.
13:47That can really heavily ruin someone's reputation.
13:50It's not okay.
13:52Let's go.
13:53Let's go.
13:55Let's go.
13:58Let's go.
14:07Let's go.
14:10Let's go.
14:22Let's go.
14:37Let's go.
14:46Let's go.
15:01Let's go.
15:03Let's go.
15:04Let's go.
15:07Let's go.
15:14Let's go.
15:15Let's go.
15:34Let's go.
15:35Let's go.
15:55Let's go.
16:03Let's go.
16:16Let's go.
16:18Let's go.
16:25Let's go.
16:26Let's go.
16:27Maybe don't put your face on the bark.
16:28I was spitting too fast.
16:30It's no secret that Chase has caused a lot of drama with the women and mom talk in the
16:37past.
16:38I try to stay out of most of Chase's drama because I value our co-parenting relationship.
16:43But right now with Chase being in dad talk, if he starts acting up.
16:50At the villa, I was bringing up the fact that Macy obviously has her qualms with me.
16:55walk into your birthday party and she throws a fit to you not expecting you know our favorite
17:00person to walk in the door today i feel like if i'm good with him now no i'm fucking pissed
17:06i've wanted to potentially have a conversation with macy at some point because i love that talk
17:12and i'm on good terms with pretty much all those dudes i want to just bury the hatchet with these
17:16girls if they will allow for it but i mean who knows i asked jacob and he said well i
17:22heard that
17:22she told me that after you know all the things that stuff came out with taylor on the tiktok live
17:26that you had been hitting her up in her dms oh and i was like hold on and i pulled
17:31up our dms and i
17:32said dude this is macy responding to my stories three years ago and saying we should all hang out
17:37you should go play ball with jacob he needs more friends so rewind three years ago i remember
17:43hearing from miranda macy told someone to like i was always in macy's dms and miranda asked me like
17:50were you in her dms and i was like no macy was in my dms i think i responded to
17:55one of chase's
17:56stories of his daughter it was just his daughter he was not in it let's be clear and i think
18:01it was
18:01like an emoji like a heart eye emoji of his daughter or something whatever it wasn't about
18:05you he's freak i remember one weekend taylor's ex-husband tate had booked a cabin for like 30
18:11people so i knew that macy and jacob were interested in potentially hanging out so i invited them
18:16i told them there was going to be alcohol didn't know if they were comfortable with that so they
18:20didn't have to come i said okay what so fun i'll see if we can i'm dead i said okay
18:28what so fun i'll
18:29see if we can swing it did i give the wrong impression right away is that why this is coming
18:35up for years later they like twisted things because they heard a certain narrative about us
18:40and i think she took it as we were like putting feelers out to swing to swing yeah and then
18:46once
18:47we like knew that they weren't down they uninvited them so from what i know the whole cabin saga
18:56was taylor said that it made her kind of uncomfy that macy and jacob didn't drink and i think macy
19:03took as like oh i'm being uninvited because they are getting the vibe that we're not swingers that was
19:08not the case macy also like can sniff out toxic men so regardless macy thinks every man's toxic
19:14and i agree that's the one thing i have to agree with i do think we should go to lunch
19:19something
19:19with chase and have a conversation and just i don't see if we can improve just like what we know
19:24i don't want to have a conversation with him i'm good i am shocked to see jacob come back from
19:29the
19:29villa being like friends with chase it is no secret that i don't like chase i think that he's very
19:34demeaning to women i think that he was very demeaning and disrespectful to my friends
19:38and to me online and for that i just don't care for him why why do we need him around
19:43he's not
19:43married to miranda anymore so why are you here i'm freshly postpartum i don't have time for this
19:47shit i feel you should be supportive and it doesn't mean like you have to like deny that or like
19:52not think
19:52it's reality well i'll think very very hard about it okay
20:17i'm having a breast augmentation done again i had it a few years back but i will say just having
20:22a
20:22baby some things i was like unsure of early up here so i'm like let's just go get a little
20:28let's say touch up if you will all right let's do it people i'm doing it one to feel good
20:36about
20:36myself but two for the bachelorette i think i'm about to be in a lot of dresses which i normally
20:41if you know me i'm not interested so i just kind of want to feel good in them
20:45pocket looks good very thin capsule like it's very subtle so we're gonna that's why we're converting
20:52her so we gotta find her pec muscle here it's just pretty much i don't even pull it i just
20:58lay it
20:58good job team
21:12hi say oh my gosh are you okay yeah
21:21what's wrong are you okay yeah i'm just like sad why all the anesthesia meds just kind of
21:32no this is just like for your life do you need me to do anything my life like situation it
21:38freaking
21:39sucks i get with family you know
21:43no taylor but it's getting so much better and i think i ignore it a lot yeah
21:49i hope it's all this
21:52i think you've come a long way and i think that it's getting better
21:57my heart hurts like my heart it's broken
22:12well of course it's hard you thought you were gonna probably end up with dakota
22:17that's the sad thing you're gonna be okay taylor
22:23i know
22:42ah
22:44nothing like vitamin d
22:46yes to cure that postpartum depression
22:50oh my gosh i love it here
22:51we're still a few weeks away from dancing with the stars premiere
22:56we're doing like five hours of dancing a day and it's already super intense
23:01there's nothing like california it's nice
23:03yeah it is nice
23:05something's in this air i'm like oh there really is something in this air
23:08i've definitely been trying to rebuild my friendship with whitney and look past everything
23:15that's happened and make this a good experience for both of us
23:19so do you think you'll stay here for a while regardless of dancing with the stars
23:25like if i get voted off
23:26yeah
23:26yeah
23:27i mean i don't have plans on getting voted off
23:29but if i do
23:31yeah
23:31um we're just gonna stay here
23:33are you nervous about the reunion
23:34do you think demie's gonna be cordial because i think she's draining everyone
23:38i think she will
23:39i think she wants to make things right
23:41does she
23:43i think it's very interesting that she's reached out to everyone but me
23:46she's going to lunch with jesse
23:48she's reached out to macy and michaela
23:50and i'm the only one she hasn't reached out to
23:53which do you want
23:54do you want her to
23:56i just would appreciate a genuine apology
23:58and i don't feel like i've gotten that from her
24:01i hate that there's this animosity between the two of you
24:05and
24:06i know she hates my guts
24:07i don't think she hates your guts
24:09i think she's always hated me
24:10i know
24:10literally from day one
24:12jen's too mormon for me
24:14like if she's there i don't want to be there
24:16to me did you ever say that jen is too mormon
24:19i've never said she's too mormon
24:22i have said that you bring it up in conversation a lot
24:26did i say that jen is too mormon
24:28i did and i stand by that
24:31from day one
24:32listen jen i get that
24:33yeah
24:34but there has to be a point where we move on
24:35i think that you guys are both can be right
24:39and i think that's the problem
24:41is both of your feelings are valid
24:43but the problem is is like you it's accepting it
24:45yeah
24:46it's like you guys both can't accept that
24:48jen you accepted that apology the kumbaya
24:51you said that you were going to work on moving on
24:54and bringing it up again
24:56it's just going to put mom talk a whole step back
24:59so i'm starting to feel a little bit worried
25:01about what's going to happen at the reunion
25:03i trust vibes over words
25:06yeah
25:06and there's never been a feeling of true sincerity
25:10on her end
25:11i've never felt that
25:12i also think that so much has happened
25:15in mom talk
25:16the past few years
25:18i just want it to be a safe place for everyone
25:20and to be honest i don't feel like it's a safe place for me
25:23when demi is there
25:39thank you so much
25:45we're gonna get wasted
25:47oh day drinking
25:50hello
25:53what's up guys
25:58how's everything been going
25:59it's been great
26:01the reunion's coming up and i genuinely don't know what's going to happen
26:05and i feel like i need to talk to the girls about demi
26:07she's not being the same person off camera that she is on
26:10so if they feel that energy from her
26:13hopefully they'll speak up
26:14are you guys nervous for the reunion
26:16no
26:16really
26:17just feel like reunions always inevitably bring things up
26:20they definitely have to search it up
26:21i'm about you are
26:22because like demean
26:23yeah i'm a little nervous
26:24i'm more so nervous now
26:25because um
26:26we did a session with gabby
26:28and it was the weirdest thing you guys
26:29off camera we'd had discussions about like
26:31she kind of admitted that she leaned into the marciano stuff too much
26:34it looked really bad
26:36and she shouldn't have done it
26:37oh what she admitted
26:38kind of like she did in italy
26:40when she was like i played into it too much
26:41because on camera she doubles down
26:43but behind the scenes she did admit that
26:45right
26:45so we finally get to a place where
26:47we do start talking about the marciano of it all
26:49and she like completely plays victim again
26:52and is like he did this and this
26:54and i'm like
26:56okay like it's just so different from like
26:58the conversations had with her on off camera
27:00so gabby has read to me alone before
27:02right
27:02and she has picked up on patterns to me has in her past
27:05so she looks at demie and she's like
27:07demie there's patterns you have
27:08and i'm trying to help you out of those patterns
27:10and demie was like what patterns
27:12so she was like you know the stuff we've talked about
27:14and demie's like like what you can say it
27:15and so gabby finally goes
27:17you're emotional cheating
27:19this marciano thing
27:20the pattern that i'm feeling
27:21may be emotional cheating
27:24and demie goes
27:25oh yeah you're right
27:28and she goes
27:29i have had a past of emotional cheating
27:30there's been multiple situations in the past
27:32where it was that like i felt like i was developing feelings
27:36but not with marciano
27:38everyone else but him
27:39in this situation it was not that
27:41i wasn't even physically attracted to him
27:43and i'm like we were so close
27:45we were so close
27:48demie's very good at manipulating
27:52she's very good at talking
27:54but i was the pathological liar
27:56exactly
27:57but that's what they do right
27:58but after the guy's going on the trip to london
28:03and now hearing this from jesse
28:06just shows that i've been right this whole time
28:08i think it's because like he's so gross
28:10that she like doesn't her ego
28:11yeah
28:12but you did
28:13like that
28:14it was just so disingenuine
28:15from like the demie
28:16i had seen
28:18trying to mend all these fences
28:19and like get back
28:20but it's not genuine
28:21that's the thing
28:22she mends it
28:22for her own agenda
28:24it was just to save her image
28:26yeah
28:26she doesn't care about the relationships here
28:29i feel like jesse was trying to
28:30give demie grace in this situation
28:32and kind of give her a second chance
28:34and yet again demie's proving
28:35that she can't be trusted
28:36and you can't believe a single thing
28:38that comes out of her mouth
28:39the crazy part is to me
28:41is that i'm like
28:41if you would just be authentic
28:43to what actually happened
28:45like the mistakes you've actually made
28:46yes
28:47it would be so much better for you
28:49trust me it feels so much better
28:50yes you would know
28:51well not to be like the mom talk police
28:53but i do feel like people resonate with us though
28:55because we all make mistakes
28:56nobody's perfect
28:57and i feel like we're all kind of open about it
28:59and i don't feel like demie is doing that anymore
29:03i feel like she was
29:04we all were
29:05in the beginning
29:05we kind of all lost the plot
29:07i think for a second
29:08we didn't lose the plot
29:09we lost the foundation
29:10what do we do
29:11because if she's in the group now
29:12like she's back
29:13i think we try to see how she operates
29:15at the reunion
29:15and how she handles it
29:17and if she chooses to come in
29:18and be authentic
29:20and i think we'll see
29:21i'm nervous
29:48it's hard to walk
29:49i know it is
29:50i feel like i'm doing marciano 2.0
29:53today me jacob and michaela are going to meet up with chase
29:57i am very reluctant to do so
29:59however jacob is trying to get me to be open-minded to it
30:03because i think maybe it'll help things feel less contentious for him
30:06making friends with the guys and whatnot
30:08and maybe he'll feel more at peace with everything
30:11what's going on man
30:12oh what's up
30:14good to see you
30:15you too
30:15and i asked michaela to come
30:17because whatever issues i'm gonna have with chase
30:19she will too
30:20so i think like having her there
30:22not only is it backup
30:23like you might as well
30:24two birds one stone
30:26be done with it
30:27michaela decided to come join us
30:28yeah
30:30if you're trying to clear anything up with the men
30:32i think it's obviously a job for
30:34what are we called
30:35are we eminem incorporated
30:36it's time to go full fbi on this bitch
30:39full fbi
30:41i think it's what we do best
30:44thanks for setting this up dude
30:46yeah
30:46i appreciate you guys coming
30:48it's obviously a little awkward
30:49because i think
30:50because you've talked shit on us online for years
30:54yeah
30:54without knowing us
30:55i don't think it's
30:56i don't think it's one-sided
30:57but
30:58i haven't
30:59i've talked shit offline
31:01i don't have a podcast about you
31:03that's different
31:04tomato, tomato
31:06any animosity that we have
31:07that i've contributed to
31:09by way of the podcast
31:10i do think that was
31:11in poor taste
31:13he was doing it for clicks
31:15totally was for clicks
31:16like the whole point of it
31:17was to just be a dick
31:18and honestly piss off
31:19the people that
31:20like we were talking about
31:21is that funny jacob
31:24i look back on it now
31:26and i'm like look
31:26i actually think it was stupid
31:28i said some main things
31:29do you guys know macy
31:30i think people kind of pity her
31:31free mom talk
31:32her thing that got her
31:34her followers was
31:35she had a baby daddy
31:36who died in a car accident
31:39i'm not
31:40i ain't gonna touch this one
31:41and maybe
31:42not leave
31:43you cannot air this
31:45and
31:46bad luck
31:47shouldn't have said it
31:48super stupid
31:49wish i wouldn't have
31:50so i'm sorry
31:52i think it's been a long four years
31:54of macy not liking chase
31:55and rightfully so
31:56but i think there is a good guy in there
31:58chase has remorse
31:59he's taking accountability
32:00and i think we really did label him
32:02and threw him in this bucket
32:02of this evil dude
32:04who's just swinging
32:05wanting to get other people
32:06to swing with him
32:06yeah i think uh
32:08i'm protective over my friends
32:10like well you're talking to shan
32:11layla saying she's bad in bed
32:12that obviously really hurt her
32:14like she was i think she was like crying
32:15and then like
32:16stuff with taylor from the past
32:17has made me mad
32:18totally
32:19that's why i've had a harder
32:20time with you
32:21yeah
32:21i just wanted to bring up
32:22because i did hear something
32:23is it true that you
32:24at one point heard
32:25that i was like dming you
32:27in a way that like maybe
32:29seemed like i was flirting
32:31was that an initiation
32:32to swing
32:34no i know that's what it looks like
32:35because uh
32:36i remember that specific cabin
32:39it wasn't just like a freaking
32:40hedonistic orgy
32:41every time we went to these
32:42that was like twice
32:44and you guys were just drinking parties
32:45we were just
32:46jacob who sign are you on
32:47um
32:49we still got the signs
32:50me and macy are trying to be
32:51the best people we can
32:53it's taught in the book of mormon
32:54it's taught in the bible
32:54to show forgiveness
32:56and i think this is one of those times
32:57where macy needs to do that
32:58so that mom talk and dad talk
33:00can both coexist together
33:01in peace and harmony
33:03i'm in between
33:04but i did take a few steps back
33:05because when it comes to
33:06our perspective
33:06this whole thing
33:07you reaching out to macy
33:09and then your wife saying
33:10oh wait macy's not invited
33:12and then like
33:13the swinging stuff coming out
33:15yeah
33:15so we see all those things together
33:16and we're like
33:17ah
33:18like
33:18totally bad optics
33:20well i feel like
33:21you can't help yourself sometimes
33:23and i'm like
33:23well and you're like
33:24very demeaning
33:25to all the girls online
33:27for like years
33:28so you have
33:29the perception is that
33:30you don't treat women well
33:31they're well documented
33:32that i am an idiot
33:33there's no hiding that
33:34i will say chase did
33:35take accountability
33:36for his actions
33:37i just hope that chase
33:39continues to
33:40be on a better track
33:42if jakeb's going to be
33:43friends with him
33:43am i making any headway
33:45or no
33:45i don't
33:46it's hard to say
33:47i mean i guess it's
33:48i guess it's the behavior
33:50in the future
33:50it's like i can't say
33:52i hope this is the last time
33:53i ever have to say sorry
33:54i'm very big on timing
33:56and i feel like chase is
33:57coming into the group
33:58ready to apologize
33:59now that cameras are up
34:00i think if you're actually
34:01sorry
34:01you're gonna do it off camera
34:03and he had years to do it
34:05his apology
34:05clearly isn't genuine
34:07he wants the clout
34:07i think that's just a grudge
34:09that i'm gonna hold
34:09i'm not gonna say mean things
34:11about women
34:11okay good
34:13very pro women
34:14it must be hard
34:15to him
34:34today is the reunion
34:39reunions can be very hard
34:41because you're seeing scenes
34:42that you haven't seen before
34:43maybe you're hearing things
34:45that you've never heard before
34:46for the first time
34:47they can really make
34:49every positive thing
34:51just immediately go up in flames
34:53uh we've seen it before
34:54we are supposed to talk
34:55about our true feelings
34:56so i think it is inevitable
34:57that something's gonna blow up
34:59play nice
34:59please we had a kumbaya
35:08dear heavenly father
35:09we want to thank thee
35:11for the opportunity
35:12we have to come together today
35:14we pray that we can have
35:15the strength to
35:16stand by our own principles
35:18and our own values
35:19as well as
35:19listen to those
35:20who may have differing opinions
35:22and we say these things
35:23in the name of jesus christ
35:23amen
35:24amen
35:24at the end of last season
35:26mom talk had a kumbaya
35:30we wanted to put
35:31all the drama behind us
35:33i don't think everything
35:34was resolved there
35:35necessarily
35:36i think there's
35:37a lot of underlying issues
35:38that maybe some of them have
35:39so i will say
35:41the reunion definitely
35:42is resurfacing
35:45that to me
35:47i've seen enough
35:47did you see anything happen
35:49no i didn't
35:51why are you fucking
35:52saying a word
35:53she's made my life
35:54a living hell
35:56you bullied me
35:58how do you feel
35:59about your wife
36:00texting the word
36:00come to another man
36:01how do you feel about that
36:02it's just like
36:03oh here we go again
36:04what the fuck
36:05is wrong with you
36:06what the actual fuck
36:07is wrong with your brain
36:10there you go
36:11Demi
36:11your true colors
36:12have come back out
36:14her screaming at jen
36:15on stage
36:16calling her names
36:17it was like
36:18she had a mask on
36:18and it started to slip
36:19a little bit
36:19and her anger
36:20started showing
36:21and this is the Demi
36:22I know
36:23so there's so many
36:24unanswered questions
36:25that i'm like
36:25can we just get to
36:26the bottom of it
36:26it's like muddied
36:27because of this stupid
36:29fucking asshole
36:30that's lied
36:30and sorry but jen
36:32who's lied
36:33and put all these
36:34things in your head
36:35that never happened
36:35okay
36:36i've been called
36:37everything in the book
36:39by Demi
36:39including being
36:40a pathological liar
36:41and i'm tired
36:42of her deflecting
36:43in reality
36:44that has been her
36:45the whole time
36:46no one's fucking
36:47believing Marciano
36:48no
36:49that's the problem
36:50that's why it's so
36:50like hard
36:51because it's like
36:52okay yeah
36:53he's saying this happened
36:54or this didn't happen
36:55but it doesn't really
36:56hold a whole lot of weight
36:57i've heard things to me
36:58and i'm not gonna believe
36:59anything until i
37:00that's fine jessie
37:01but you don't need
37:01to be pompous about it
37:02i'm sorry
37:03you were just yelling
37:04at my friend
37:04and saying the most
37:05like aggressive cruel
37:06things
37:07you know what
37:07she's done to me
37:08she sat there
37:09literally in the same
37:10sentence
37:10and said something
37:11you hate me
37:12because i'm sharing
37:12the truth
37:13you hate me
37:13because i was
37:13the only one
37:14that called you out
37:15when everyone was
37:16bowing down to you
37:17that's why
37:17you can't look at
37:19yourself in the mirror
37:20i already have
37:21what do you think
37:22i've done
37:22you're not doing it
37:23clearly you're not
37:23you're deflecting stuff
37:24i'm talking about
37:25marciano
37:26you're still doing it
37:26this whole time
37:28i definitely feel
37:29empowered to
37:30call to me out
37:31someone needs to
37:32make her accountable
37:33because she's done
37:34that to everyone else
37:35in the group
37:35and so
37:36i'm gonna be that person
37:37did you not watch
37:39yourself in season three
37:39you have to back up
37:40your claim
37:40you look guilty AF
37:41oh good
37:42i look guilty
37:43the fact of the matter
37:44is you don't have
37:44proof of the things
37:45you're saying
37:45which makes it
37:47okay
37:47a lie
37:47because i lived it
37:49and i know the truth
37:49okay
37:50i don't have proof
37:51so why are you
37:52saying it
37:52okay
37:53the world's already
37:54seen it
37:54i don't really have
37:55to say anything
37:55seen what
37:57just who you are
37:58a kiss that didn't
37:58happen
37:58just who you are
37:59a cuddling up
38:00against someone
38:01and googly eyes
38:02that didn't happen
38:02who you are
38:03your stories don't
38:04add up because
38:04you keep changing
38:05them
38:06no
38:06i don't
38:08you said you
38:09were not a victim
38:10and now you're a victim
38:10i said i do not
38:11i do not want to do
38:13anything about this
38:14guys i am not a victim
38:15i'm not a victim
38:16yes
38:16and then now you're
38:17saying i'm a victim
38:18so your story has
38:19changed
38:19yes
38:20that was a response
38:21to me of like
38:21cover this up
38:22shut everyone up
38:23i don't want to
38:24talk about this
38:26the biggest problem
38:27i think with everybody
38:28is the knee-jerk reaction
38:31to demi saying that
38:32she was a victim
38:33was to not believe
38:34you would feel
38:35comfortable sending
38:36to another woman
38:37that you're
38:38swallowing cum
38:39i'm not wired like
38:40you bud
38:41you should rewire
38:42yourself
38:42oh yeah
38:43that's disturbing
38:44okay
38:44all right little guy
38:45holy shit
38:47brett is an old
38:49grandpa that needs
38:49to get sent to the
38:50old folks home
38:51we were in london
38:52last week with
38:53marciano
38:53he stared us
38:54straight in the eyes
38:55and told us the
38:56truth of everything
38:57of jesse
38:57of him and jesse
38:59of him and demi
38:59he still claims
39:00this day
39:02on camera
39:02that he kissed
39:03demi
39:05marciano said that
39:06demi was sitting
39:07in a hot tub
39:08with him alone
39:08or they were out
39:09talking
39:09we went and talked
39:10to marciano for an hour
39:11three hours of the day
39:12i've seen every ounce
39:14of the footage
39:15so i think when the
39:16women are doubting
39:18her um i think
39:20they've got very good
39:21reason from our
39:22perspective can you
39:23see why we think
39:24the things we do
39:25because it's hard to
39:25understand the story
39:26so if you have a
39:27different story i'm
39:28open to hearing it
39:29i know the truth
39:30can you tell us
39:32and that matters
39:32can we agree that
39:33she was like flirting
39:34and having long
39:35conversations and
39:36like building a
39:37relationship with the
39:37guy like she just
39:38met she wasn't
39:39building a relationship
39:40with him she talked
39:41about you she talked
39:41about your guys
39:42marriage didn't she
39:43yeah i mean she was
39:44she was talking to
39:45him that i'll let her
39:46explain all the nuances
39:47around it i understand
39:48it's the lulu land
39:50dude you guys live in
39:51a different universe
39:53i had no idea that
39:55pathological lying
39:56was contagious but i
39:57guess it is
39:58i don't even know why
39:59you're here just walk
40:00away everyone's being
40:02nice to you people
40:03just talk shit behind
40:04your back because
40:04you're a shitty person
40:06hey the feeling's
40:07neutral dipshit just
40:08so you know good and
40:09it's so hard to take
40:10you seriously with your
40:10little munchkin voice
40:11oh nice bro you're
40:12a big guy i think
40:13that's a little steep
40:14and i don't think
40:15anything good is gonna
40:16come from talking like
40:17that
40:20if you heard about
40:21this and you heard
40:21that from arciana was
40:22gonna come on to
40:23podcast and then his
40:24show and air out
40:27jesse and what
40:28happened there i'm
40:29just confused why
40:29wouldn't you go to
40:30jesse my immediate
40:31reaction was i don't
40:33fucking care what's
40:34happened between me
40:34and jesse i am putting
40:36up a white flag and i'm
40:37finding a way to
40:38contact her because you
40:39got me locked on
40:40everything but you
40:40didn't no i could have
40:41gotten through me and
40:42marciano said don't you
40:43fucking dare so then i
40:45got scared again and i
40:46was like shit why this is
40:48a trauma response and it's
40:49so stupid but it really
40:50was as simple as me not
40:52wanting to be viewed as a
40:53victim like period i mean i
40:55don't want to take away from
40:56the ass grab because it
40:57obviously in no way is that
40:58okay but which by the way
40:59it was not just like an
41:00ass grab i was in short
41:02shorts he grabbed i'm gonna
41:03go circles though for round
41:05and round and round and
41:06round and round and we're
41:06never gonna come to a
41:07conclusion i think at this
41:08point too everybody needs
41:10to be okay with the fact
41:10that we're never going to
41:11come to a conclusion
41:12because i can sit here and
41:13say if that truly happened
41:15to you i'm really sorry for
41:17that all of us in mom
41:18talkers like we want
41:19obviously to believe you
41:20we want to like see eye to
41:21eye but like nothing adds
41:24up and it just doesn't make
41:24sense and so i do feel for
41:26demi because it's like
41:27yeah you're in the
41:28situation where all these
41:29voices are coming at you
41:30but she has to expect it if
41:31she's going to keep
41:32defending it over and over
41:33and over i think she wants
41:34to prove herself so bad but
41:36in turn i feel like it
41:37only makes her look more
41:38guilty i didn't do what he
41:40did to me and i didn't ask
41:42for that and i didn't
41:42deserve that right however
41:44moving forward like shit
41:46demi like you probably
41:47should have been more
41:48careful and been more
41:49cautious and that sucks
41:50especially when you've been
41:52in that situation and it
41:53like brings up old stuff
41:55like then you start really
41:57blaming yourself for like
41:58what they do at this point
42:00like it's more painful to
42:02not be believed than to say
42:04fear enough to go over it
42:05over and over and over and
42:07feel the pain of past things
42:09than to just say fuck yeah
42:11we kissed fuck yeah this
42:13happened i'd rather something
42:14fucking happened at this
42:16point because this sucks way
42:18worse and like every time i
42:19talk you're taking yourself
42:21out of a hole you're doing
42:22this i'd rather fucking
42:24something happened at this
42:25point because it's
42:27excruciating i think that the
42:30lack of accountability the
42:32lack of transparency the
42:33lack of sensitivity on demi's
42:35end has made it very
42:37difficult for all of us to
42:39give the grace that i think
42:40that she believes she is
42:42owed but i think all of us
42:44girls as a whole would have
42:45been a lot more open had we
42:47had that transparency from the
42:50beginning
42:51don't feel like you have to go
42:53out there
42:53no i feel like i have to for
42:54me
42:55okay for you then let's
42:56fucking do it let's do it
42:58i want you to really feel
42:59like you're up to it
43:01every part of me wants to
43:02run and i'm like no you're
43:04gonna stay like you deserve
43:05to be here and like you're
43:08not gonna let them win
43:10she's smart she's calculated
43:11she knew the fuck what the
43:12fuck she was doing and i'm
43:13sorry but i i won't be
43:15friends with her anymore like
43:15i've been seeing this
43:16behavior for a long time and
43:17i'm done
43:23let me show you how to make
43:24them all sweat yeah you in
43:26my neck of the woods my side
43:28of the corner got bent huh
43:29about to go all out all out
43:31give them all a hundred
43:32percent
43:36thank you so much for being
43:38here oh my god after filming
43:41the reunion all day yesterday
43:42i am still in utah and
43:44today's my first meet and
43:46greet for act as campaign i
43:47am the face of their court
43:48collection hey ready one two
43:51three cheese hey cutie you
43:53come up here in front and
43:54right after we're having an
43:55influencer dinner with
43:56influencers in utah and all
43:59of mom talk there to support
44:00me are you going to whitney's
44:02event tonight yeah i said i
44:03would just can't be
44:05supportive i said that i would
44:07go too are you yeah okay well
44:09i'm surprised you're going to
44:10an event for whitney i get
44:12pretty close just kidding oh
44:13true but i feel like we had a
44:15good moment yesterday just
44:16after everything i think
44:18trauma dumping really just
44:19bonds people yeah how does it
44:22feel hearing jay say not having
44:25intimacy is an issue for him
44:26it's like i feel guilty that i
44:27can't show up for him when he's
44:29so amazing to me
44:30whitney how does that make you
44:32feel it's just a horrible thing
44:33that i think anyone has to go
44:35through
44:36um being sexually abused
44:39i feel like it's just confusing
44:41still with her she's very
44:42confusing to me yeah no i get
44:44that because she still she still
44:45doesn't get it like yesterday i
44:46could tell you still don't get it
44:48yeah i mean like i don't know if
44:48she ever will though and it's at the
44:50point where you kind of like that's
44:51whitney it's hard
44:51you can make this or that you are
44:54a different brain magnetic super
44:57fly you're who they want to be it
45:00the strangest things can make you
45:02fall in love i think you're just
45:05like me i think you look like fun
45:07you look like fun
45:10you look like fun
45:17hi hi gosh stop stop send
45:21yes i can't send too much or i
45:23might flash someone's table
45:24thank you thank you guys so much
45:29everything's just been like
45:30perfect like i'm so grateful yeah
45:33we'll see how tonight goes yeah
45:35yeah it will be good good
45:37we're manifesting good okay the
45:40reunion was literally yesterday so
45:42i'm sure everyone is still feeling
45:44those heightened emotions right now
45:45so them taking time out of their day
45:48to come to this event that's in
45:50support of me it means a lot to me it
45:52just reminds me more than ever how
45:54important these friendships are
46:00i'm still processing everything that
46:03happened yesterday at the reunion but
46:05i'm choosing to stay here to support
46:07whitney even if it means running into
46:09me again
46:10no time to be taking it no time to be
46:13taking it
46:14go go go go go
46:20hi
46:22how are you feeling after you're so tired i know so
46:27gasped like my body called you know my body's so tired i'm curious like what your thoughts are on it
46:33it was a shit show
46:35yeah that's how i feel about it to me it is what it is i felt i felt i felt
46:39for so many people during that reunion but i know she's not i was probably worst i've ever seen her
46:44yeah
46:45I'm sorry did you try to tell me that I couldn't own it
46:48I brought this thing like I would love to see her
46:50Thank you so much for coming
46:53I'm just going to show up
46:55Yesterday was insane
46:56Stop, quick force are all coming
46:57Congrats
47:02How are you?
47:03I'm good
47:04I feel like yesterday was like heavy
47:06How are you feeling?
47:06I felt like it was a very good closer
47:08Like a closer
47:09Good
47:09Wait, that's actually really good
47:10Like I think I would have like normally been like very emotional
47:13I think I was just like this is bullshit
47:14Well this is done
47:15Good, good
47:16I was really happy
47:18I crashed out for two days
47:19Had the reunion
47:19I'm good
47:20Last night in Taylor and Dakota
47:21Got very heated
47:22Please Taylor
47:23For the love of God
47:24Stay away from this man
47:26Keep going
47:26Go ahead with your lies
47:27Lies?
47:28I had this perception when I first met you
47:30Like red flag, red flag
47:32I do not like you
47:33I can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth
47:36Because it's all bullshit, dude
47:37She's about to go to the bachelorette
47:39And I'm hopeful that she can, you know, put her brain on right
47:42But we all know she has the biggest weak spot for that man
47:45How was it for you?
47:46Um, I feel like I left feeling like a little frustrated
47:49Because I feel like we didn't even get to like talk about a lot of things
47:52And there was some things I wanted to like say
47:54Like what?
47:55Well she stood to me
47:56She's not even here
47:57What do you mean she's not here?
47:59She's not coming
48:02Isn't this Whitney's thing?
48:05Well that's what we're talking about
48:06Because I'm like it's hypocritical
48:07Considering how much shit Whitney got for not going to Macy's thing
48:10But she just said last night
48:11I'll see you tomorrow
48:11You're coming, right?
48:12And I was like, yeah
48:12I heard she wasn't coming
48:15She told Whitney
48:16She's not doing well mentally right now
48:18She's like crashing out
48:22That's her
48:23It's just her best friend
48:25I will say
48:26I feel like these events are kind of like
48:28What MomTalk is here for each other
48:31Is to support each other at these events
48:32That I feel like when one gets to like hide when they want
48:36That's not right
48:37It's not okay
48:38It's not how you work with other people as a team player
48:40I'm like, girl
48:42You're not helping yourself at all
48:58Has anyone talked to me since the reunion?
49:00Not since the reunion
49:02This is so sick
49:05It's good to see you
49:06Hi
49:08There you go
49:09Time to go
49:10They're quite literally dancing on Dancing with the Stars
49:14Wait, why did they let Demi in it if she quit the show?
49:16Okay, wait, question
49:17Are you going to tell me yet?
49:18Like why you're not filming yet anymore?
49:21Hello
49:22He's going to give you 이쁜 Х�
49:22A lot of massage
49:22Go
49:22My
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