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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to Unfinished Business, the show that over-analyses the dog-eat-dog world of
00:06The Apprentice.
00:07Coming up, I'll be speaking to the latest candidates to leave the process, Kieran and Rothner.
00:12Lord Sugar shares his thoughts on the task, and look what the cat's dragged in.
00:17I'm joined by presenter Owain Wynne-Evans and Apprentice interviewer and business expert Claudine Collins.
00:24This is The Apprentice Unfinished Business.
00:30Welcome, Claudine and Owain.
00:33Oh, thanks for having us.
00:35Thank you for being here.
00:36The teams this week had to create a new pet lifestyle brand, so they had to design a product, they
00:42had to create a social media video and then pitch to retailers.
00:46Claudine, what is the secret to a task like this?
00:48I think first and foremost, you have to devise a product that is slightly different to what's out there.
00:57It's something that people that own that pet would actually want, and you really have to believe in it.
01:04You have to be passionate about it.
01:06Social media video has got to be a bit funny.
01:08The brand has to be on point with the actual product.
01:12So there's a lot of things to get right, but I think first and foremost, the product has to be
01:18something that is just a little bit outside of the box from the norm.
01:22This was a classic case of cats versus dogs.
01:25Where do your alliances lie?
01:27Dog.
01:28Dog.
01:29Dog.
01:29I am obsessed with dogs.
01:32I don't have one because I'm working and it wouldn't be fair, but honestly, a dog cannot go past me
01:37in the street without me saying, can I just give it a little pet?
01:41OK.
01:41Yeah.
01:41What about you, Owen?
01:43I am a cat person traditionally, but I do feel like now I'm wanting to sort of dip a toe
01:50in both camps because I really want a dog.
01:52But my cat, Franny, is 14.
01:54She's an old girl.
01:55I just love the complete lack of unconditional love.
01:59I love the way that she looks me up and down and wishes that I wasn't there.
02:03But, you know, I don't know if she's, you know, I'm very working, I come from a very working class
02:08background.
02:08I can't figure out if the cat is classist or homophobic at this stage, but there's something about me she
02:14doesn't like.
02:15It was a bit of a dog fight, wasn't it, on Team Alpha to bag the project manager role.
02:19Let's remind ourselves of that.
02:22Guys, I would also like to put myself on this PM as a dog owner.
02:25I know what dogs love.
02:26I've had German Shepherds growing up and now I also have a Shih Tzu, so I've had big dogs, small
02:31dogs.
02:31I can speak dog.
02:33I can speak dog as well.
02:35People call me the dog whisperer.
02:38I've got a Cockerpoo, I had a lab, rescued a Shih Tzu.
02:41I've also had a cat.
02:42Cats and dogs, horses, all of it.
02:47Can you speak dog?
02:48I can't speak dog.
02:49No, not me.
02:50But it does feel like we've kind of seen the last couple of weeks, both Karishma and Pasha have kind
02:56of fought to take the reins.
02:58Two alphas on Team Alpha.
03:01Yeah.
03:01Yeah.
03:02And I think that it was really interesting, you know, with that exchange that they both not only wanted to
03:08take that role, but actually I do think they both seriously love dogs.
03:14And they kind of, you know, are therefore qualified to be the person who's kind of leading a challenge like
03:19that.
03:20Yeah.
03:20I mean, I think the boys just didn't know what had hit them.
03:23And they're both like looking from one to the other going, OK, yeah, I'm not definitely not putting myself forward.
03:30It's got to be one of these boss women.
03:32OK.
03:33But yeah, they're really kind of like fighting for it.
03:36I absolutely love it.
03:37Yeah, so do I.
03:38I love it.
03:39So do I.
03:39The team created a talking dog bed, an innovative idea, but lacking in scientific backing, it would appear.
03:47Were you guys sold on it?
03:49So I actually was sold on it.
03:51I thought, oh, my God, that's such a good idea.
03:54Now, as I stated, I don't actually have a dog.
03:57However, what I do think is they could have adapted it.
04:01It could be a soothing sound for the dog when an ambulance goes past or a big noise goes past.
04:07So the noise activation.
04:08Yes, it could have been adapted to that.
04:10So I think that that was a good idea.
04:13I thought, you know, what I was expecting this product to be was something that you could send a voice
04:20message to, as opposed to it being the same, which, as we saw on the show, gets a little bit
04:26repetitive after a while.
04:27But it's like, hi, baby, I'll be home soon.
04:30Loads of love on heavy rotation.
04:33And then it's like, this is starting to wear thin.
04:36You said you'd be home soon nine hours ago.
04:39So true.
04:40You've lost my trust.
04:41Literally, when you close the front door upon leaving.
04:44Hi, baby, I'm just going to pop out.
04:46It's so true, isn't it?
04:48But actually, again, the, like, makings of something brilliant and the conviction with which they sold it was also quite
04:56admirable, I would say.
04:59Pasha's attempt to make his spelling mistake look like a luxury manoeuvre was a lesson for the ages.
05:07It was superb.
05:09I mean, even when a French guy said that it was the wrong spelling, she was like, no, it wasn't.
05:15Mm-mm-mm.
05:15Yeah.
05:16It was.
05:17If they would have gone with the confidence of being like, right, OK, for example, the word evoke is spelt
05:25not the way you see it on the back of a Range Rover.
05:27Yeah.
05:28That's a different spelling.
05:29Yeah.
05:29You know, and very similar with a chic, chic thing with this.
05:32Poetic license.
05:33Poetic license.
05:34We've done it this way because we want it to sound that way, but we don't want it to look
05:37that way.
05:37Also, trademarking.
05:39Trademarking.
05:40Much easier, you would imagine.
05:41Yeah.
05:41Exactly.
05:41I think it's important that the record state it is actually the correct spelling in Portuguese.
05:46Yes.
05:47OK.
05:47Yeah.
05:48Not in English or French, obviously.
05:50From one team who knew a lot about pets to another who knew, well, absolutely nothing.
05:56Nothing.
05:56Kieran took the lead due to the deal that he had made with Lord Sugar.
06:00Yeah.
06:00And it was either win the task or walk.
06:03Do we think that either Rothnaught or Dan would have been better suited as PM on this particular task?
06:10Oh, absolutely.
06:11I think that, I think Dan did a great job in some elements of this task in particular.
06:19I thought he was brilliant.
06:20Whereas, I definitely felt like, you know, Kieran was ploughing through with an idea and not really taking on board
06:26anything that Rothna was saying.
06:29And I really felt for her, actually, when I was watching it.
06:32And it's interesting because Rothna flagged early on.
06:35Yeah.
06:35She's like, Kieran, sometimes you lack attention to detail, so I want to be with you to keep an eye
06:40on that.
06:41And she tried, but did she need to be a bit more forceful in that?
06:45She did.
06:45I mean, the honest truth is, I don't think he'd have taken any notice.
06:49However forceful she was, and ultimately, he's project manager, so he gets the ultimate say.
06:54And her instincts were right.
06:55I mean, she knew that cats don't, in fact, like cheese.
06:58They like mice, and mice like cheese.
07:00Yes, yes.
07:00So she's like, there's something here, but it's not quite right.
07:04Absolutely.
07:05And I don't know many cats that love bananas and apples either, to be fair.
07:10The banana nearly sent me.
07:11Me too.
07:12I mean, my cat has never interacted with a banana.
07:15No.
07:16Can confirm.
07:16Oh, I mean, do you reckon, as a cat dad, that Franny would be into this tree, banana aside?
07:22Banana aside, I think she would take one look at it and think, what the hell is that?
07:26And then, much like she does when I enter the room.
07:28And then do that.
07:31I think that she would maybe try the rotating mouse disc thing.
07:37Yeah, that was cute.
07:38If they'd have made it something that, you know, that would fit into a setting like this, you know, stylish,
07:44something a little bit mid-century, something that maybe looked like an indoor plant.
07:48Not like an actual tree, you know, the size of an actual tree anyway.
07:53Maybe it would have worked.
07:54But no, Franny would not be interested in that.
07:56She wouldn't be interested.
07:56I don't think.
07:57Let's talk about the one-man branding team, Dan.
08:00Because actually, left to his own devices.
08:02He was clear.
08:03He was enjoying himself.
08:05He was assertive.
08:06I think Baroness Brady was kind of, you know, impressed.
08:10Yeah, he did really well.
08:11Listen, he didn't have to confer with anyone.
08:15He just did what he thought.
08:17It could have gone hideously wrong.
08:19But actually, it was really good.
08:22I thought it was a good brand, good colouring.
08:24Yeah, and everyone seemed to like it.
08:26And I think the designer who was working with him, oh, my gosh, there was, like, smoke coming out of
08:31her fingers.
08:32He was like, do that in green.
08:33No, resize that.
08:34No, scale that.
08:34He knew what he wanted and he was doing it well, I think.
08:37What we're after, isn't it?
08:39OK, we've heard what you guys think.
08:40Shall we have a little listen to what Lord Sugar has to say?
08:44He sent me the weekly voice note.
08:47Hi, Angela.
08:48Hello.
08:48Now, the market research spoke for itself.
08:52Common sense was lacking when it came to the cat tree.
08:55You don't need to be a cat lover to know that if your cat can't physically reach the top of
09:01the tree,
09:02then it's time to cut it down.
09:04That's a good point.
09:04Anyway, next stop's the final five.
09:07Let's hope they don't make a dog's dinner of the interviews.
09:13There you go.
09:15There you go.
09:15He's not wrong, is he?
09:16He's not wrong.
09:17Common sense went a bit out the window, Claudine, didn't it?
09:20How do you stay focused?
09:21Because I feel like it is almost with, you know, the final five in sight that there's, you know, it
09:28can kind of get into your head.
09:29I think how you have to do it is you literally have to go back to basics and you have
09:34to kind of write what exactly am I looking to do?
09:38What am I looking to achieve?
09:39How am I going to get there?
09:41Does this tick all the boxes of what I need it to do?
09:45And if you'd have gone back to that, it would have been, actually, how does the cat get in there?
09:50Is it too big?
09:52Would we be better making it smaller?
09:55Do we think it's more attainable then and more will sell?
09:58So you just almost have to take a step back out of yourself and kind of start from the beginning
10:04and think,
10:04if there was no, like, not so much pressure on me, what would I do?
10:10And that's kind of how you have to do it.
10:13Well, it is time to meet the candidate who made a big deal with the big boss.
10:16They say every dog has its day, but this was not Kieran's, was it?
10:20Let's remind ourselves of the moment that he walked.
10:23And the message there is, you didn't push him enough.
10:27You gave in too early.
10:29Let's go walkies.
10:32We had a deal.
10:33We've got a deal.
10:36Thank you for the opportunity.
10:38Thank you for the opportunity.
10:39Well done, Kieran.
10:40All the best, guys.
10:44Kieran, everybody!
10:46Oh, thank you.
10:48Brilliant.
10:49Welcome.
10:50Let's go walkies.
10:51Let's go walkies.
10:52Let's go talkies.
10:53Iconic.
10:54I even forgot I said that as well, which is hilarious.
10:57It was quite good.
10:57That was good.
10:58Let's talk about the deal that you made with Lord Sugar.
11:01Had you considered it?
11:03Like, was it planned when you were about to go back into the boardroom?
11:05Were you like, this is what I'm going to throw at him last minute?
11:07Or was it totally spur of the moment?
11:09Um, in the cafe, I was like, I've probably got to figure something out here to stay.
11:17Um, I thought I was going, so I kind of just thought, why not?
11:21Let's give it some.
11:22And he just come out.
11:23Are you okay?
11:24It's when he went through, everyone was like, do you want to make this deal?
11:27And I was like, oh, no.
11:28If someone said yes, they might have, like, they got the opportunity and I was going.
11:31Yeah.
11:31But it worked.
11:33It worked.
11:34Sort of.
11:36Sort of.
11:37Um, the cat tree.
11:40The beautiful cat tree.
11:41The beautiful cat tree.
11:42Let's talk about it.
11:43It was pretty large and pretty heavy.
11:46In fact, we actually couldn't get it here today because I don't have a pickup truck.
11:50Um, but Rathna, at a few points, did attempt to interject and, you know, try to tone it down a
11:59bit.
11:59But you stuck very much to your mantra of go big or go home.
12:02Was that a mistake?
12:04I should have listened to Rathna, but I'm like, when I get an idea, I'm just like, let's do it.
12:08Let's like, just go crazy with it.
12:10Um, you know, houseplants are normally like five, six foot, right?
12:14Well, depends on the houseplant, I suppose.
12:17Yeah, I mean, maybe it's not for flats.
12:18Maybe it is for just nice big homes and houses and big flats.
12:22Big homes.
12:23Tall.
12:23Tall flats.
12:24Yeah.
12:25High ceilings.
12:26Very high ceilings.
12:27Okay.
12:27In hindsight, do you reckon there's anything you would have done differently except for maybe listen to Rathna?
12:32I think in that task, the only thing I would have done different, and what it's frowned upon throughout the
12:37show,
12:37is that they said, don't interject on other people's negotiations.
12:40If I would have jumped in on Dan, we would have won.
12:43We would have got the extra $1,500 they were willing to give.
12:47Other people do interject in the negotiations.
12:49I know, but it's frowned upon, so if it went wrong, it would have made me look bad in a
12:52lot.
12:52I mean, I had nothing to lose.
12:53I should have done it, but, yeah.
12:56When you didn't win, you stuck to your bargain, you were like, okay, I'm in.
12:59I'm out, even.
13:01And quite an iconic exit.
13:03Claudine Owain, did you expect that Kieran might put up a bit more of a fight?
13:08I did, actually.
13:09I thought that you would.
13:10I understand.
13:11I mean, you never got the finger, did you?
13:13You never got the finger fired.
13:14But you're saying straight off, this is Dan.
13:18Dan lost this task force.
13:19It was a negotiation from Dan, yeah.
13:21Yeah.
13:21So there may have been an opportunity to, you know.
13:24I think there could have been an opportunity, but I'm a man of my word,
13:27and I sort of live by that in my everyday life.
13:29So, you know.
13:30I think, look, good on you.
13:33You're right.
13:33You made a deal, and you stuck by that deal.
13:36And, you know, it may well have been, we'll never know,
13:40may well have been the same result if you had fought for it
13:44because you were PM, like, the week before the interviews.
13:48But you won't know.
13:49I'll never know.
13:49No, you'll never know.
13:50No.
13:51Fun fact.
13:52You are the candidate who was brought back to the boardroom
13:54the most times.
13:57Four, that is, in total.
13:58Why do you think that was?
14:00Biggest threat, I reckon.
14:01Biggest threat.
14:02Yeah.
14:03You know, I just think I'm quite loud and out there,
14:06and I'm quite an easy person to blame if it all goes wrong
14:09because I put my ideas out,
14:11but some people stay quiet and don't get noticed as much.
14:14And how do you think, then, that you survived that many?
14:17I think Lord Sugar respects the fact that you go for it
14:20and you do get involved.
14:22So if you don't get involved, what's the point of being there?
14:25And he liked you, didn't he?
14:26He said he liked your spirit.
14:28Yeah, he liked you.
14:29He could see definitely something in you.
14:31You know, that's why, that's how he keeps people in the process
14:34time after time because he can see something in you.
14:37Could have stayed.
14:37If I would have fought my spot, I could have stayed.
14:39You seemed confident from the get-go.
14:42Were there any moments during the process
14:43where you kind of felt a little less self-assured?
14:47Bottom three is a tough place to be, you know, I was there quite a lot.
14:49So I'd say every bottom three, there's, you know,
14:52nerves go through, like, shaking under the table.
14:55And it's when he does the, he talks to you
14:57and then, like, drops and talks to someone else.
14:59You're like, oh, my God, I thought I was going.
15:01Yeah.
15:01That was pretty stressful.
15:03Yeah, I bet.
15:04Because you could see behind all of the, you know, bravado
15:08that there were moments where I thought, oh, God.
15:10Yeah, yeah.
15:11I feel like he's going to cry.
15:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:14Almost a few times after the bottom threes.
15:16Yeah.
15:17I think it was when Dan said, when Dan said,
15:20how's the cat going to get into that thing?
15:22You just went, oh, yeah.
15:24Oh, God, yeah.
15:26I didn't think about that.
15:27Now you say it.
15:28Yeah.
15:28Let me get a ladder.
15:29That's the additional extra.
15:31They're paid for that.
15:32Yeah, absolutely.
15:33Yeah, that's what you said.
15:33There you go.
15:34I said, like, get, like, a bolt on.
15:36Yeah, yeah, there you go.
15:37You buy the tree and then, because my cat's...
15:39Different fruits, you know.
15:40Exactly.
15:41Different fruits.
15:41If your cat isn't into, you know, apples and bananas.
15:43Yeah, berries.
15:45So they've got a full brand to build, right?
15:48Honestly, he's not messing around.
15:50What were your highlights, Kieran?
15:52Apart from being recognised as a spirited young chap by the boss.
15:56My two favourite moments were both with Lawrence, actually.
15:59So it was the carbonara selling on the market in Greenwich.
16:04That was hilarious.
16:05And then it's got to be the lad's day out in Isle of Wight.
16:08Go, mate.
16:08Yeah, nice little glass of wine.
16:10Yeah.
16:11Feed the goats.
16:12Clean the goats up.
16:13It's hilarious.
16:13Job done.
16:14That was great fun.
16:15Well, it was great having you and great watching you.
16:18Thank you so much, Kieran, everybody.
16:23It is time to meet the candidate who faced her fear of cats
16:26but unfortunately dropped the furball on the task.
16:29Here's the moment she left the boardroom for good.
16:31Erm, Rothner, you sold nothing
16:34and at least Dan did sell 2,000 pieces.
16:37So you've been really impressive in this process
16:41but I have to tell you that regretfully
16:46your journey is over now.
16:48You're fired.
16:49Thank you very much for the opportunity.
16:51Good luck, Rothner.
16:52Good luck.
16:59It's Rothner!
17:01Yay!
17:03Hello!
17:04Welcome!
17:05Thank you for having me.
17:06Oh, got it, got it.
17:08Before you were fired, Lord Sugar said to you,
17:10you've been very, very impressive.
17:11Was that, you know, bam to the wound?
17:14I mean, it would have been nice if you hired me.
17:17But, you know what, I'm actually really, really thankful
17:20he said that because, you know, throughout that whole process
17:22you obviously want to make an impression
17:24and to even have a compliment and then been fired.
17:26I think he really struggled though, didn't he?
17:29I think he really struggled between you and Dan
17:31and really, he doesn't often say that to Kandit.
17:34So the fact that he said it to you, I would take that as,
17:37I don't think he's ever said it to me, to be honest.
17:39I would take that as, like, something that I would hold to my heart, really.
17:43Oh, thank you.
17:44No, it really was special.
17:45Obviously, you know, when you're told you're fired,
17:48it's just like a blur and anything that happened before and after,
17:52you're just in a state of shock.
17:53And so hearing that back and him say that,
17:55it actually sunk in a little bit.
17:57So, yeah, it was a really nice little moment.
17:59Let's talk, Rothner, about the fateful task.
18:02Had Kieran not automatically been made project manager,
18:05would you have put yourself forward for this one?
18:07Yes, I would have put myself forward because I think,
18:09you know, when you've got a little bit of fear
18:10and at this stage of the process,
18:12it's all about wanting to maximise what's in your control.
18:16And, like, obviously we saw when I was building the catchy,
18:18like, Kieran kept saying, trust me, learnt my lesson from there.
18:21But I think if I was PM, I definitely would have, like,
18:24100% said what I wanted there and then
18:26and, like, not taking no for an answer.
18:28And it's hard to do so because when you're not PM,
18:30you don't want to come across as that person
18:31that's just constantly, like, stopping you from progressing.
18:35Yeah, you said that, that you wish you were kind of more of a hindrance.
18:37Was there a sense that maybe because pets, cats weren't your thing
18:42that you weren't able to follow the instincts
18:44that actually were leading you towards very sensible questions?
18:48Yeah, because I was with Dan and, you know, Kieran who have pets.
18:52They've had pets all their life and, like, I haven't.
18:55I've got a fear of it.
18:56So, for me, the least I know, the better it is for me.
18:58But then I think I wish I trusted my gut
19:00because some of the things is pretty self-explanatory, right?
19:03And I think because Kieran kept saying, trust me, trust me,
19:06I thought, you know what, maybe let me just trust him.
19:08And I guess that area and when we were in that moment,
19:12I honestly wish I just trusted my gut.
19:15I really do.
19:15At least you knew that cats don't love cheese
19:19and it was the mice that love cheese.
19:22Yeah, it was that moment I was like, oh, we're doomed.
19:24We're flying blind here, lads.
19:26So true.
19:28Honestly, I had a huge reality check.
19:30When he looked at me, he said cheese.
19:31I was like, oh, dear.
19:32Sorry.
19:33Honestly, I think I would have done a better job.
19:35Sorry, Kieran.
19:36No, I think that's fair enough.
19:38Yeah.
19:38You hadn't been back in the boardroom since week one.
19:41Was it easier this time or tougher because you were so close to the final five?
19:48In some ways, it was a lot harder because, you know,
19:50there was a lot of pressure riding on it.
19:51And, you know, final five is what all we ever spoke about in the house.
19:55You know, like, that's where everyone wants to be.
19:57Week one, obviously, being brought back, it's so early on
20:00and you're kind of fighting to be noticed, you know,
20:03to be able to show Lord Shigot what you're made of.
20:05And at this point, you've kind of shown Lord Shigot what you're made of.
20:08Now it's the business bit, which is the bit you really care about.
20:10So, yeah, it was really hard being in that boardroom.
20:13And I guess, you know, I knew it was do or die in that moment.
20:17And I tried.
20:18I tried.
20:19But, yeah, it led to me being excited.
20:21Week one, you coming back into the restaurant,
20:25reminding everyone, you're like, we're fighting for our lives in there.
20:29I was like, it was such an iconic moment for me.
20:33And everyone was just like, oh, dear.
20:35I just have gotten serious.
20:36It was beautiful.
20:38Because it was dramatic.
20:39You know, that boardroom in Hong Kong, my God,
20:42I have never sweated more in my life.
20:44I didn't even sweat that much in the task than I did in there.
20:46And I came back and I was like, I don't know about you guys,
20:49but I survived something big there.
20:51And you do come back.
20:51And I think I had that added advantage in that moment
20:54to be over everybody else who wasn't in the boardroom.
20:57You know, it's really serious.
20:58You don't realise how serious the process is
21:00until you're sat in front of Lord Shigot fighting for your life.
21:03You are fighting for your life, guys, honestly.
21:05You were PM for The Flower Task.
21:08Again, like a really beautiful show, I think,
21:10of your capability, your ability to lead people.
21:14Was it natural for you, that leadership position?
21:17You know what's really interesting is
21:19I think it came because I really enjoyed the task.
21:22And I love working with people.
21:23Like in my day job, you know,
21:24I work in mental health and well-being.
21:26And I think hearing people's opinions is really important.
21:28Obviously, I ended up going for what I wanted in the end.
21:30But it's important to, like, listen to people.
21:33And I didn't quite realise perhaps how good I am at leadership.
21:37Like, having such a good win,
21:39it was reassuring for me more than anything that I'm capable
21:41and I can lead a team to victory.
21:43I mean, I just needed to believe in myself.
21:45And I think that you have a really lovely way about you as well
21:49because you're not, like, overly aggressive or overly cocky.
21:52You just do it in a very lovely, like, way of making your views known
21:58with respect to other people.
22:00And, you know, I really thought that you came across really well in that.
22:04And I think everyone said you were a great project manager in that as well.
22:07Yeah, that was such a wholesome moment for me.
22:09But thank you.
22:09That really means a lot.
22:11Tim said that you were a calming influence amongst the chaos.
22:15Was there ever a moment that we may not have seen
22:18where you thought you were going to lose your cool?
22:20Pretty much every week.
22:21I think I'm just really great at hiding it, honestly.
22:23I think where I...
22:26What's really important to me is even if you're panicking as a leader,
22:29it's so important that you don't show that panic.
22:32Swan, Swan.
22:32Yeah, honestly, internally.
22:35Like, I am surprised you guys didn't see more of my panic around the cats.
22:38Like, inside I thought, like, my heart, honestly, was beating so fast.
22:42But I just thought if I show it, I'll believe that I'm actually panicking
22:45and then everyone else will start panicking.
22:47And it's so important that you don't spread that panic on
22:50and you contain it from within.
22:51So, yeah, there were plenty of moments where I felt it,
22:53but I'm just glad you guys didn't get to see it.
22:56Well, it was felt, certainly, the loss of you in the house
23:01when you didn't return.
23:03Karishma particularly very, very emotional.
23:07Yeah.
23:07Was that difficult watching?
23:09I cried when I watched it.
23:10It was so hard to watch because, honestly, she's like a sister to me.
23:14Like, it's really rare in a competitive environment
23:17to really, really feel that, you know, sisterhood.
23:21And, like, I found a piece of home within her.
23:23And, like, what she said, the feeling was completely mutual.
23:26Yeah, with Karishma, I think she's just an absolute boss.
23:29I've seen this other soft little mellow side to her.
23:32I think that's so important.
23:34Like, it just shows how human she is.
23:35And I think we both related on that.
23:37Like, we can show everybody a cool, calm and collected,
23:39but then we'd get it back into our rooms
23:41and then we'd have a little cry and be like,
23:42this was stressful, that was stressful.
23:43And it's so nice to share that together.
23:45So, absolutely love her.
23:47Well, it was brilliant.
23:48You were an absolute joy to watch.
23:50So, thank you so, so much.
23:52It is time for Boardroom Bangers.
23:54Brace yourselves.
23:55The part of the show where our guests provide
23:57the soundtrack to the task.
23:59Claudine, what have you gone for?
24:00So, I have gone for something that, bearing in mind,
24:05I was looking at the cat tree thinking,
24:07what on earth this is what I've gone for?
24:12What's the pussycat?
24:13Whoa!
24:15What's the pussycat?
24:17Whoa!
24:19Oh, I've trashed that one in karaoke a couple of times,
24:24let me tell you.
24:25It's a banger, isn't it?
24:27OK, Owain, what have you gone for?
24:29Well, for me, the thing that stood out
24:31during this episode was the fine grasp
24:35on the French language, or not.
24:37So, I've gone for this.
24:52Pasha should have let the music do the talking.
24:54I think absolutely so, yeah.
24:57Let's move on, our final five.
25:01Now set to face a grilling, it is time for the interviews,
25:04and I've got a little exclusive.
25:07Looking back on my plan, I think I should...
25:08I know I need to allocate a lot more money.
25:10Well, how much more?
25:12I reckon that's going to cost around $150,000.
25:15So, why did you book $50,000?
25:17Because you've got no idea, really, what you're doing, have you?
25:20Correct.
25:20You're not going to produce a drink for $50,000.
25:23You haven't even got a recipe.
25:25You haven't even got a manufacturer.
25:26Yes, I agree, and I just...
25:28Look, you're good at your day job.
25:29Do that.
25:29Try and build the boozy bar up.
25:31Forget the drink.
25:32You're never going to do it.
25:33OK.
25:34OK.
25:41That couldn't go any worse.
25:43Oh!
25:45That was brutal.
25:46I'm shaking and sweating.
25:47That broke my heart.
25:48A little cute, pre-ish.
25:50A little pre-ish.
25:52That is savage.
25:54Yeah.
25:54She's brutal.
25:55Honestly.
25:56Yes.
25:57Now, Claudine, up until this point,
25:59I think candidates, they can make excuses, can't they,
26:01that certain tasks aren't suited to their skill set or their experience,
26:05but now there's absolutely nowhere to hide.
26:08How tough is the interview process?
26:09But please say that's as bad as it gets.
26:11It is a tough, tough process.
26:14We get 45 minutes to an hour with each of them,
26:18and there are four of us.
26:19And, you know, the interviewers will find things
26:21that even though they'll think we've covered everything,
26:24we know our business,
26:25we will always find things that they haven't thought of.
26:29It's also interesting that, obviously, when we interview,
26:33that is the first time we've seen them.
26:35Of course.
26:36So we haven't seen any of this.
26:38We get to know, like, how many they've won or lost,
26:41but we don't know how they've performed in the process.
26:44So we are literally seeing them and only meeting them
26:48or knowing anything about them the minute that they walk in that door.
26:51So you're not swayed by your ideas of their personalities?
26:54No, we have CV, like, the business plan,
26:58and we go through that,
26:59but we wouldn't know what they were like personality-wise at all.
27:02And that's so interesting, because as a viewer,
27:05you know, at that stage,
27:06you've built up this kind of idea of the person as a whole in your head.
27:11Whereas you just go in there
27:12and you have to basically pay willy on what they have for you.
27:16Absolutely.
27:17Wow.
27:17That is a wrap, gang.
27:18Thank you so much to my brilliant guests,
27:20Claudine O'Wine Rothner and, of course, Kieran.
27:23Yay!
27:25Don't forget to tune in next time
27:27for more Unfinished Business on BBC Two, iPlayer or BBC Sounds,
27:31straight after The Apprentice,
27:33when we'll be discussing which candidates just missed out
27:36on a place in the final.
27:38I'm Angela Scanlon.
27:39Goodbye.
27:39I'm Angela Scanlon.
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