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00:00You live together, and you want your property back.
00:02Correct.
00:04A portable air conditioner, bed frame, elliptical.
00:08Do you have receipts for them?
00:11What's next?
00:13A couch.
00:14It's meaningful.
00:15It was for my aunt.
00:16I'm not interested.
00:18This is Judy Justice.
00:38Shameka Slater is suing her ex-boyfriend, Alan Holden Jr., for the value of her personal
00:45property.
00:46Court coming to order.
00:47All rise.
00:50Have a seat, everyone.
00:52Judge case 4063, Slater v. Holden.
00:55You're welcome.
00:56All right, we're going to try to make this as simple as possible.
00:58It really should be simple.
01:00Ms. Slater, you and the defendant were in a relationship for a period of time, and you
01:04lived together.
01:05Yes.
01:05Didn't work out, and you moved out.
01:07Correct.
01:08And that was about a year ago.
01:09A year and a half, yes.
01:10And it is your claim that the defendant still has some of your property, and you want your
01:15property back.
01:16So what date did you separate?
01:18That's kind of tricky.
01:19No, it's not tricky.
01:20The last time you separated, the last time you moved out.
01:23There was a physical separation, and there was a mental and emotional.
01:27Just a second.
01:28The only emotions that I actually care about on my own, I want to know when you physically
01:34separated.
01:35March of 2023.
01:37And when you moved out of the house that was an apartment?
01:40Yes.
01:41Apartment.
01:41And the lease to the apartment was yours?
01:44No, we both were on the lease.
01:46Okay.
01:46And you moved to another apartment?
01:48Correct.
01:49Who did you move with?
01:50Me and my two children.
01:51He is not the father of those children?
01:54Not.
01:54Did you move into a one-bedroom, a two-bedroom apartment?
01:57Two-bedroom.
01:58And you work?
01:58Yes.
01:59For whom?
02:00It's a halfway house.
02:01Inmates are transitioning back into society.
02:04Mm-hmm.
02:04What do you do there?
02:05Supervise them, help them guide them.
02:07Okay.
02:07And when you moved into the house a year and a half ago, it was two bedrooms?
02:11Yes.
02:11Living room, dining room, and kitchen?
02:13Yes.
02:13And you've been living there for a year and a half.
02:15So we're not talking about furniture, because you have furniture.
02:17Correct.
02:17I bought all new furniture.
02:19Good.
02:19So now we're going to go through item by item of what you say he has that belongs to you
02:25that you want.
02:26Number one.
02:27Bed frame.
02:27Forget it.
02:28You have a bed.
02:29Next.
02:30Elliptical.
02:31An elliptical machine?
02:32Yes.
02:33And you purchased that, and you have proof of purchase?
02:35Yes.
02:35Can I see it?
02:36Yes.
02:46Okay, and you bought it in 2021?
02:49Yes.
02:49Are you using the elliptical machine, sir?
02:52Yes.
02:52Do you agree with the fact that she paid for the elliptical machine?
02:57Yes.
02:58Okay, so she's going to get it back.
02:59Okay.
03:00Great.
03:00Look how easy this is.
03:02This is getting so easy.
03:03So you have to make arrangements to pick these things up.
03:06So one elliptical machine.
03:07What's next?
03:08A portable air conditioner.
03:10A portable air conditioner?
03:12Yes.
03:13Show me.
03:24So this portable air conditioner was purchased four and a half years ago.
03:28Do you have this portable air conditioner?
03:30Yeah, it's still at the house.
03:31Okay.
03:32And it's true that she purchased it?
03:34Yes.
03:34Okay.
03:35Air conditioner.
03:36What else?
03:37Those are the things that I have receipts for, but there are other items where it was
03:42handed down to me.
03:43So far, you're getting back your elliptical machine.
03:46No bed frame?
03:47No bed frame.
03:48You're getting back your elliptical machine and you're getting back your air conditioner.
03:51Two old items that if you want back, it'll probably cost you more to hire movers to get
03:56them.
03:57Which I did.
03:57Just a second.
03:58I'm finalizing this today.
04:00It's not going to be difficult.
04:01Air conditioner, elliptical.
04:03What's next?
04:04You have a couch.
04:34Probably it's very old.
04:36If you want it back and if he acknowledges that it was yours and he still has it a year
04:42and
04:42a half later, you can get it back.
04:44You can't sell it for anything.
04:45I mean, I don't understand why you would want to hire movers.
04:48That's going to cost you more to move this couch.
04:51It's meaningful.
04:52It was for my aunt.
04:53Listen, you know, if you said my aunt gave me a pin, a locket, a bracelet, a couch.
05:01Yeah.
05:01It doesn't work with me.
05:02I assume you have a couch in your house.
05:04I do, but...
05:05Okay.
05:05That's not a but.
05:07Don't be...
05:07You're not getting any money from him.
05:09I don't...
05:09I want the couch.
05:10Do you want the couch?
05:11Do you have her couch?
05:13Yes, I do.
05:13Great.
05:14And the TV stand.
05:14Just a second.
05:16Just a second.
05:17Do you have her TV stands?
05:19Yes.
05:19Great.
05:20And the kitchen table.
05:23Fine.
05:23Are you using her kitchen table?
05:25I'm using everything.
05:26She left it.
05:26Just a second.
05:27I'm making this very easy.
05:29Within five days, she's going to make arrangements with a mover to come.
05:35And you should have an escort because I'm not so sure about the two of you.
05:38Can I get the pots and pans too?
05:40What?
05:40No.
05:41No.
05:42Those you should have taken with you.
05:43I mean, I think some of the things that you talked about was really stupid.
05:46To pay a mover to move if you already have a sofa.
05:49And you already, I assume, have two children.
05:52You have a kitchen set.
05:53And just clothing.
05:54Their clothing.
05:55They should have taken your clothing with you.
05:56He doesn't have it anymore after a year and a half.
05:58What else, madam?
05:59Two rugs.
06:01From where?
06:02What?
06:03One is under the bed frame and one is in the living room.
06:06Do you have receipts for them?
06:07No, she doesn't because she didn't buy the rug in the living room.
06:10I bought that when we first moved there.
06:12Okay.
06:15You moved out a year and a half ago with your two children.
06:18It's a two-bedroom furnished apartment.
06:20But he told me to come get all of my things.
06:23I'm not interested.
06:24I think your whole case is nonsense.
06:27And later today.
06:28How did you get to her house?
06:29You said she got you.
06:31I don't know how I word where she picked me up from.
06:33It wasn't from the house.
06:34But I ended up with John A on the tent.
06:36We're not talking about two years ago.
06:39So we're talking about 30 days ago.
06:50Shemika Slater claims her ex-boyfriend, Alan Holden Jr.,
06:55is wrongfully keeping her property after she moved out.
06:59Okay.
07:00We're going to have an issue.
07:02I'm not wasting any more of my time, madam.
07:04Your case is nonsense to begin with.
07:08You moved out a year and a half ago with your two children.
07:10You moved into a two-bedroom apartment.
07:12It's a two-bedroom furnished apartment.
07:14I can understand if you want your elliptical machine.
07:17It may have been too much to take with you.
07:19You want it? He's going to give it to you.
07:20But he told me to come get all of my things.
07:23And I have that on audio.
07:26Can you listen to it, please?
07:27Let me explain.
07:28I'm not interested.
07:29I think your whole case is nonsense.
07:31And I knew it was nonsense when you moved out a year and a half ago
07:35and you say in your complaint,
07:37I don't want the property back.
07:39I want money.
07:41No.
07:42No?
07:45Alan has a violent tendency,
07:47so I'm worried that he's damaged or destroyed or trapped my things.
07:50Therefore, I'm seeking the value of all the property.
07:53That's what you wrote in your complaint.
07:54There's nothing wrong with my mind.
07:56That's what you wrote in your complaint.
07:57I want it back, but I'm worried he may have no money.
08:01I've damaged it, broke it, thrown it into the wall.
08:03Who cares? It's all junk anyway.
08:05No.
08:05Five days from today at 12 noon,
08:08you have to be prepared that she's going to come and pick up the following.
08:14Okay.
08:14The elliptical machine, the air conditioner, a sofa.
08:18She don't even need the sofa.
08:19Just a second.
08:20She's going to pay movers to come and pick, you know,
08:23an elliptical machine is a big item.
08:25Yes.
08:25Air conditioner, not so much.
08:27Sofa's a big item.
08:28They're going to charge her $100 to move the sofa.
08:30If she wants to move the sofa someplace, let her.
08:33Otherwise, it's just vindictive.
08:35But she's not getting any money.
08:37Pay careful attention.
08:39I'll take the bed frame.
08:40It was $700.
08:42Elliptical, air conditioner, sofa, and kitchen table.
08:46Five days from today at noon.
08:49Otherwise, they all belong to him.
08:51That's it. We're done.
08:52This court is adjourned.
08:57I feel like it was pretty fair, you know,
09:00even though those items are pretty old and whatnot.
09:02But, you know, it is what it is.
09:04I paid $700 for a bed frame that I no longer have access to.
09:09She already has an apartment that's fully furnished with everything.
09:11So I don't even know why she wanted to go through the hassle.
09:14And she was already talking about getting rid of that couch long ago.
09:16So she might want it back from spite. Who knows? I don't know.
09:19Because it's mine.
09:21Well, I've been wanting to upgrade for the longest anyway.
09:24So now I've got a reason to.
09:25So it is what it is, you know?
09:26It's over. Let it go.
09:30They should all be that easy.
09:31Yeah.
09:32I think that that was just vindictive.
09:34You know, she moved a year and a half ago.
09:36She's got a fully furnished house with her two kids.
09:38And I wasn't prepared to get into the back story of that.
09:41All of a sudden, she wants an old sofa that was given to her by an aunt.
09:45Yeah.
09:45Ridiculous.
09:46Actually, she wanted money, but she wasn't getting.
09:48As I said, it should all be that easy.
09:50Yeah.
09:51Only.
09:52Case number 4077.
09:54Smith versus Smith.
09:55All parties, please come forward.
09:57John A. Smith is suing her father, Johnny Smith, for medical bills, an assault, car repair costs, and emotional distress.
10:07Smith, this is your father.
10:09Yes.
10:09In October of this year, it is your claim that your father, without your permission, took your car.
10:14Yes.
10:15Had an accident with it.
10:17Yes.
10:18That you allege was his fault.
10:20And your son was with him.
10:21Yes.
10:21I assume this is your son.
10:23Yes, ma'am.
10:23He's eight.
10:24Yes, ma'am.
10:25Okay.
10:25Kevin, would you escort the young man out, please?
10:33We'll bring him back in if we have to.
10:35Okay.
10:36Okay?
10:36Yes.
10:37So, I think I want to start with you, Mr. Smith.
10:39I believe the date of this incident was October 10th.
10:42Either the 10th or 11th, one of them two.
10:44Where do you live?
10:45In what county?
10:46In what state?
10:47I live in Montgomery County, in Ohio.
10:49And where does your daughter live?
10:50Montgomery County, in Ohio.
10:51How far do you live from her?
10:53A couple miles.
10:54Maybe four.
10:55Now, tell me what you were doing on October 10th that brought you to your daughter's house.
10:59I really can't remember.
11:01I know we ended up getting together that day.
11:03The questions are going to get harder here, Mr. Smith.
11:05So, I suggest we get the story together in your head.
11:09Okay?
11:10You don't live with your daughter.
11:12For some reason, you found yourself at your daughter's house on October 10th.
11:16Like I said, it's the first time I've seen my daughter in so long.
11:20I just happened to see her.
11:21Somehow or another, I ran into her.
11:23And I ended up going to her house.
11:24This is not looking good for you, Ms. Smith.
11:25You understand that.
11:27It's not looking good for this whole case.
11:29Will you understand that?
11:30Yes.
11:30Okay.
11:31Let me refresh your recollection, sir.
11:34Because it's relatively early.
11:35You haven't been drinking today, have you?
11:37No, ma'am.
11:37No.
11:38Okay.
11:39Then I'm going to get to your answer.
11:41You said, I went to visit my daughter and grandsons on October 10th.
11:45I ended up staying the night because I didn't feel like driving home.
11:49That's what you said in your answer.
11:50Yeah.
11:51Well, it was messed up.
11:52She didn't feel like driving me home because she was pregnant.
11:54She was tired.
11:55So, I ended up spending the night there.
11:56Well, how'd you get there?
11:58No, no, no.
11:58How did you get there?
12:00She didn't take you there.
12:01I'm going to read her complaint.
12:02You didn't go pick them up.
12:03No, ma'am.
12:03No.
12:04We got to all get our story straight here, folks, because I'm getting a little frustrated.
12:10Do you understand?
12:10I'm telling you the truth.
12:12That's how I got to her house.
12:13I didn't even know where my daughter lived until she took me there.
12:16And then I found out where she lived, and all she told me was to don't tell nobody where
12:20she lived.
12:21That's exactly how it happened.
12:22What?
12:23Okay.
12:24That day, I ended up running into my child.
12:26I hadn't seen my child in almost six, seven months.
12:29On October 10, 2024, my father had been visiting, and he needed a place to crash because he had
12:35been drinking with my best friend.
12:37That's what she wrote.
12:38That's the truth.
12:39Okay.
12:40Well, who was her best friend?
12:42I don't know the guy's name, but he was a cool dude.
12:46And like I said, we got together, and we went to the liquor store.
12:48Where did you get together?
12:50That night.
12:51The first night.
12:51You mean on October 10?
12:52Yes.
12:53The first night.
12:53Okay.
12:54He went in the store.
12:55I went in the store.
12:56He bought some liquor.
12:57I bought some liquor.
12:58We come back outside.
13:00We get in the truck with John A.
13:01I'm trying to figure out.
13:03I don't know.
13:03I know we went over John A's house.
13:05How much did you drink that night, sir?
13:07I probably drunk a couple shots.
13:09That's all we had was a couple shots.
13:10Because the bottle that I bought, I never even opened it.
13:13We drunk that little pint, and that was it.
13:16The pint I bought was still in her truck in the back seat on the back of the thing.
13:21I never even opened it.
13:22Okay.
13:23Mr. Smith, let's get beyond that.
13:26There came a time when you took your daughter's, is it a car or a truck?
13:31It was a truck.
13:32On October 10th or the 11th?
13:34The 11th.
13:34She said it was the 10th.
13:35Let's say it was the 11th.
13:37You took her truck.
13:38I wouldn't say took it, but yes.
13:40Because she said, she told me earlier that day.
13:43Earlier on the 11th?
13:44On the 11th.
13:46She asked me, she was talking about food.
13:48She told me, she was like, well, okay.
13:50Give me your time.
13:51Give me your time.
13:52This was about maybe 12 in the afternoon, because I had to walk into the gas station.
13:55You slept over and you got up.
13:57Yes.
13:58And she had picked you up from your house?
14:00No.
14:01How did you get to her house?
14:02You said she got you.
14:03I don't know how or where she picked me up from.
14:06It wasn't from my house, but I ended up with John A on the 10th.
14:09Wait a second.
14:09We're not talking about two years ago, sir.
14:12We're talking about 30 days ago.
14:14Would you tell me where she picked you up from?
14:17I do not remember.
14:18I just know she picked me up.
14:20I probably was on the bus or something, but she ended up picking me up.
14:23She picked me up and maybe eight minutes after she picked me up, she went and picked up this guy.
14:29And I shook his hand, how you doing?
14:31And we ended up at the liquor store.
14:33That's exactly how all that happened.
14:37I don't have no reason to lie about anything.
14:40I don't know if you're lying or if you just don't remember.
14:42The only thing I don't remember is where she picked me up at.
14:44How did your father get to your house?
14:47Don't look over there.
14:48I'm sorry.
14:49You see, right here.
15:00John A. Smith claims her father, Johnny Smith, crashed her vehicle and owes for medical bills and the cost of
15:09repairs.
15:10Okay, go ahead.
15:11I'm here to tell you the truth.
15:12I don't have no reason to lie about anything.
15:14I don't know if you're lying or if you just don't remember.
15:17The only thing I don't remember is where she picked me up at.
15:20Well, I would remember where I got picked up from, whether it was a bus stop or whether it was
15:25your house.
15:25It wasn't my house, so it had to be either on the bus or downtown or something.
15:30But it wasn't at my house.
15:31Can we go back to you for a second?
15:32Do you remember October 10th?
15:34Yes, ma'am.
15:34How did your father get to your house?
15:36He had...
15:37Don't look over there.
15:38I'm sorry.
15:39You see, right here.
15:40Yes, ma'am.
15:41He had called me and...
15:43He called you on what date?
15:44On October 10th.
15:45And he was telling me that he was outside my house sitting on the steps and that I could have
15:51told him that I didn't want him to come over because he felt...
15:54No, no, no.
15:56Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
15:56He called you and told you he was sitting on your front porch?
15:59Yes, ma'am.
16:00And I have messages in my phone to prove that.
16:02I'd like to see it.
16:03Does that sound familiar to you?
16:04I don't...
16:05I didn't even know where my child lived at until she picked me up, so how can I go sit
16:09on her step?
16:10Mr. Smith, it doesn't sound familiar to you, right?
16:13It's not familiar because it's not the truth.
16:14Okay, I'm just going to look at her phone.
16:16Yeah, I wish I...
16:16I just broke my phone so all my text messages is from her.
16:19Everybody who comes to you who doesn't remember...
16:20I'm sorry.
16:21He's turning on.
16:21How old are you, Mr. Smith?
16:23I'm 47 years old.
16:24Do you work?
16:25Yes, I work.
16:26What do you do?
16:27I'm a cook.
16:28Where do you live?
16:29I live with my mom part-time because my house caught on fire.
16:32So my mother put me up in a hotel.
16:34Just a second.
16:35So you live with your mother part-time?
16:37A little bit.
16:38You know, I stay there and I stay at the hotel a lot.
16:41But she wants me to stay at her house until my house get back fixed.
16:46But it's like this.
16:48I'm 47.
16:49I'm not going to be living with my mother.
16:51So I stay at the hotel.
16:52Okay.
16:53Now I'm going to read you something.
16:54This is from your phone.
16:56What?
16:56Baby girl, if you didn't want me to come over, why did you give me your address?
17:01And I told you I was going to get over here.
17:04At first, I was going to catch the bus.
17:06But I end up getting a ride from my friend.
17:09Now I'm sitting out on the porch looking like a fool.
17:13You can't let me in.
17:15What's going on, baby girl?
17:16Tell me something's wrong.
17:18She says to you, what are you talking about?
17:20Why wouldn't I let you in?
17:22Don't start that.
17:23Baby, I've been out here sitting on the porch for over 30 minutes.
17:26I watched your neighbors pull up in a red car and everything.
17:31The woman and the girl and the little baby.
17:33I told you I was over here and you said you was in the middle of something.
17:37So I'm just wondering why you wouldn't let me in.
17:41Can I say something?
17:42Can you say something?
17:44That right there, that text you got right there, I was sitting on my son's porch.
17:49I wasn't sitting on her porch because at the time I didn't even know where she lived.
17:53I have no reason to lie about this.
17:55Baby girl, if you didn't want me to come over, why did you give me your address is the first
18:01thing that you wrote.
18:02She never gave me an address.
18:03If you didn't want me to come over, why did you give me your address?
18:06I wish my son would have came with me because he'd have sat there and told you.
18:08I'm going to move this on. Would you return this to her, please?
18:12Okay, here we go. So you took the car, the truck, and in the truck you had your grandson, who's
18:19eight.
18:20Uh-huh is not an answer.
18:22Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
18:23And where was your daughter when you took the truck?
18:26My daughter was in the bed. She was in the bed.
18:28Okay, just a second. That's it. Your daughter was in the bed.
18:30Correct.
18:31Did you see her before you left?
18:33Yes.
18:33Or was she sleeping?
18:34My grandson got up, walked in the living room.
18:37I left a little piece of note on the table.
18:40I said, John May, I'm going to the store to get the food that we wanted.
18:44Okay, just a second.
18:44My grandson, I wasn't going to leave him.
18:46Hold it.
18:48I'm going to the store to get the food.
18:50You have that note, by the way?
18:52No.
18:53Do you remember he left you a note?
18:54No, ma'am.
18:55Okay, but let's see.
18:58He says he left you a note.
19:00I'm going to the store to get some food, which means that you left her a note because she didn't
19:10know that you left.
19:11The reason that you left her a note is because you were telling her you were taking her truck and
19:15going to the store.
19:16That was all.
19:17Okay.
19:18That's a yes.
19:19Yes, ma'am.
19:19That was it.
19:20Okay.
19:20And you took the truck and you had an accident.
19:22No, somebody ran into me.
19:25I don't care whether somebody went into you or you went into them.
19:27Is there a police report?
19:28Um, I have one.
19:29Oh, it's not an answer.
19:30Do you have a police report?
19:31I'm trying to tell you.
19:32I have one, but they didn't.
19:33Don't tell me what they.
19:34If you have it, let me see it.
19:36If you don't have it, then it doesn't exist.
19:38Okay.
19:39No, I don't have it with me.
19:40You say that your car was severely damaged.
19:43Yes.
19:43Well, I would like to see some sort of an official report.
19:46You waited for the police to get there.
19:49This case isn't happening for you yet.
19:51Okay.
19:51Do you understand?
19:52Yes, ma'am.
19:53Very good.
19:53I'm very glad you understand.
19:55Because if you're not ready to come to court,
19:57and I was sort of wondering if you were already,
19:59because this incident happened October 10th.
20:02We're less than a month out and already you're in court.
20:05And so I was wondering what kind of evidence you brought with you.
20:09What kind of evidence?
20:10Let's say he was in an accident.
20:12Somebody hit him.
20:13He took your car.
20:13It clearly didn't have your permission because he left you a note.
20:16Okay?
20:16Right.
20:17And I'm not so sure that he's always together
20:19because he doesn't remember where he got picked up from less than a month ago.
20:23What evidence did you bring with you?
20:25I brought the phone records of me calling, my car, the estimate, medical bills.
20:31And that was all I was able to grab.
20:34Right now, the prosecutor's office in my town, they wasn't, I guess they behind,
20:38and I've been trying to get the actual police report.
20:41Well, Ms. Smith, let me tell you now, I'm going to let you do all of that,
20:45but you're not ready to try this case.
20:47I'm not trying this case.
20:48You have no evidence.
20:49The police were called according to your complaint.
20:52Yes.
20:53To the scene.
20:54Yes.
20:54There was an assault charge.
20:56Yes.
20:56Correct?
20:57By you and him.
20:58Correct?
20:59No, I didn't assault him.
21:00Well, he says that you actually put your hands on him, that you grabbed his shirt.
21:04She held onto my coat for about ten minutes until I had to threaten my child.
21:08There has to be a police report.
21:11Yes.
21:11Same thing he did to her, he did to me.
21:13The police would have assessed the accident.
21:15All of those things, right?
21:17Yes.
21:17Your case is dismissed without prejudice.
21:19Get your evidence and come back to court.
21:22This court is adjourned.
21:27Are you having a family dispute?
21:29Go to JudyJustice.tv.
21:37Go to do that.
21:38You don't mean to me.
22:03Go to Judy patrons, please find out if you want to have time.
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