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00:30I'm so sorry.
00:30But what if I started doing crazy stuff out of frustration?
00:33Yeah, and I can handle anything. Period.
00:35That's why I'm handling this conversation so easy.
00:38Before you decide on marriage, why are you two even together?
00:41Let's have a think about that.
00:51So, is it business?
00:53Is it love?
00:54Is it dependency?
00:57What is it?
01:00Because I love her.
01:02No, I don't think anyone will love me the same way she does
01:05and understands me the same way she does.
01:11I know it's love.
01:12This sort of interface between work,
01:15your professional lives, and your personal lives.
01:18And you just, it's all mixed up.
01:20And sometimes we get lost in, yeah, in that.
01:25You do, yeah?
01:26Yeah.
01:26So, let's wrap up these sessions.
01:28Let's think about what we've covered here.
01:30We know that you've got different views on marriage.
01:35What is marriage?
01:36How is marriage?
01:37What does it look like?
01:38But as we all know, marriage can be tailored to suit you too.
01:42And that's something that you can think about.
01:46And we know that actually business and home life and personal relationship all get mixed up together.
01:54So, there's room for splitting those up a bit, being a bit clearer, having conversations about what's what.
02:01We also know that you actually love each other.
02:05Not just because you're in business together, not just because you're too dependent on each other.
02:10Because, actually, there is a love still there.
02:13Take it away.
02:15Talk to each other.
02:16Think about it.
02:18And work with it.
02:22Okay.
02:24Man, this whole experience therapy thing has been a lot of ups and downs.
02:29But, overall, I think it, like, got us closer.
02:32I don't think necessarily my opinion has changed on marriage.
02:35But, I think that Maria has heard me and what I had to say.
02:38And now it's just all about the hard work.
02:40I know I'm not going to give up.
02:42And I hope she doesn't give up.
02:44And, yeah, I'm looking forward to our next chapter.
02:48Thank you both very much.
02:50Thank you for your help.
02:51Thank you, Ken.
02:51Thank you.
02:52It was nice meeting you.
02:53Take care.
02:53Thank you very much. Take care.
02:54Bye-bye.
02:55Bye.
02:57I've learnt that Victor also has things of which he wants to, you know, share and open up to me
03:05about.
03:05And I hear that. I receive that, you know.
03:08But, I'm...
03:09The whole marriage goal thing, I'm not going to lie to you.
03:11Like, I'm not changing my whole entire self just to get that.
03:14Like, no, that needs to come from the heart, from the love.
03:17I want to feel fully seen and fully fulfilled in our relationship.
03:22And, we'll see.
03:24You never know.
03:25I might be engaged one day or we might be broken up one day.
03:29Who knows?
03:31Just got to do what's right for me.
03:32I feel like that's the one thing I've learnt for therapy.
03:34I just got to do what's right for me.
03:44Take a ride through the city, trying to roll.
03:47Take a ride.
03:49Take a ride.
03:50Yeah.
03:51Aye.
03:51Move west but I still can't back.
03:52Five years and you still can't ride.
03:54So tired that I called up chief.
03:56Said, boy, it ain't that.
03:59How are you?
04:00Fine. How are you?
04:02Tired.
04:05Lots of food.
04:06Do you know how late you are?
04:07I know. I can do anything.
04:08I tried.
04:10I tried my best.
04:13I tried my best.
04:15That's not funny.
04:18You're meant to spend quality time with me.
04:21Me being here, it's a lot.
04:23It's a bit, you know.
04:25I feel like you're not being, like, very, like, open in a session.
04:29I feel like you're holding back.
04:31I mean, there was one thing, you know.
04:33What?
04:34It was just a brief comment that my mum...
04:38..my mum made.
04:39OK.
04:39OK, she basically just said,
04:41I don't know if Debbie's the one for you now in your life, you know?
04:47But why are you brushing it off like that's not a big deal?
04:51I thought it was just like a comment.
04:54I feel like that's a very unacceptable comment for your mum to make
04:59about our relationship.
05:00But this is what I'm saying.
05:01I knew me telling you it was going to cause this.
05:02Call her.
05:04OK.
05:08It's some bollocks.
05:14Wow.
05:15You OK?
05:16Yeah, what's up?
05:17Um, I'm with Debbie now.
05:20Mm-hmm.
05:22Um, and she wants to talk to you.
05:24OK.
05:25I'm just going to put you on our speaker.
05:27You guys chop it up.
05:30Hello, mum.
05:31Yes, darling.
05:32Kelvin said that you think I'm not the one for him at the moment.
05:37Mm-hmm.
05:39Um, you know why I said that, Deb, because, you know, you complain about it,
05:45you think he hasn't got time for you, but you know why he hasn't got time for you.
05:48You know that he's doing this for the future.
05:51Do you not see me around Kelvin five days a week?
05:54Do I not always come to the shop to help him?
05:55I do, I do.
05:56I do.
05:57So that's why I find it upsetting that you're telling him that I'm not the one for him
06:01when I've been here for how long, years, and I've stood beside him.
06:08It's been too long for you to, you know, there's too much at stake for you to walk away.
06:12So be there, through thick and thin.
06:17You should have come to talk to me just to be like, you know what, let me speak to you,
06:21you know, give me some advice.
06:24If you want this thing to work, you need to chill.
06:28Period.
06:31You get me?
06:33OK, Mum.
06:34OK, darling.
06:35Talk to you later.
06:36OK, bye.
06:37Bye, bye.
06:42OK.
06:43I just feel like your mum shouldn't get involved and say things like that.
06:59Carmen and Junior have used therapy to discuss some very, very, very difficult issues they've
07:04been having.
07:05Their biggest block to real communication is Carmen's insistence on the fourth child,
07:11whilst Junior has been clear that for him, the family is complete.
07:15This couple now have to navigate the breach of trust that the vasectomy has created.
07:21After 20 years together, the question is, can they find a way back?
07:30Thank you for coming back.
07:33So this is our last session, and I thought we would start with a bit of a recap of what
07:38we have managed to cover.
07:42For you, Junior, you've talked a lot about wanting more affection, wanting to be seen by Carmen.
07:48And Carmen, you've talked a lot about not being heard, big decisions not being shared.
07:54Then we moved on to the vasectomy that was done without really negotiating, and the revelation
08:02that actually the sperm hadn't been frozen, and how that left you feeling, Carmen.
08:09Devastated.
08:12OK.
08:13I felt betrayed.
08:15Like, you know, I didn't...
08:16It's not like I knew about any of this.
08:19I don't feel like I've betrayed Carmen.
08:22I feel like it's quite a heavy word to use to describe this scenario.
08:27I mean, that's how I feel.
08:30That's how I've felt, so...
08:31OK.
08:32You know?
08:33Like, I've never had anything like this in our relationship before, where I've felt, like,
08:38such a lack of trust.
08:40OK.
08:42I don't know what we can do moving forward.
08:44And at this point, I'm not even 100% sure if Junior does want to have more kids, so...
08:49I don't want to have more kids right now.
08:51I've made that very clear.
08:52And now I'm being spoken to, like, I've betrayed you.
09:00OK.
09:02I want to focus on us, right?
09:05And now...
09:05I want to focus on us, too.
09:07So, let's just do that, then.
09:08You've made yourself very clear, and I respect and appreciate how you feel.
09:11I just feel like we've got other things to work on right now, and I feel like we need
09:16to work on our relationship and focus on that, you know?
09:21Something that I was left with, Junior, you mentioned how devastated you had been at the
09:26breakup, and you were never going back there.
09:30You were never going to feel that bereft again.
09:33And the question is, is the vasectomy a way of taking back control?
09:37I would say that, yeah, I guess it probably is.
09:42Because I don't want to ever feel what I felt before.
09:45I don't ever want to be in that position, you know?
09:47You weren't vulnerable.
09:48I don't want to be vulnerable.
09:49I don't want to be, you know, devastated.
09:52I don't want to go through what I went through again.
09:54When me and Carmen broke up, it was very difficult for me.
09:58I went to a very dark place, and I didn't feel loved, obviously.
10:02I want our relationship to be about us, not just about how and when we can make babies.
10:10You know, it's important to me that she shows me that she loves me.
10:17What about you, Carmen?
10:18What Junia is saying, does that make sense to you?
10:21Yeah, it does.
10:22Because I feel like a lot of this has been about me having a fourth child.
10:27I also do want you to know that I am appreciative of you, and that I love you, and that
10:33you are
10:35an amazing husband, an amazing father, and so important to me.
10:39And I kind of want to show you that it's not just about having a fourth child.
10:45Like, that's not the only thing that I care about.
10:48So, as much as that was a priority for me, I feel like this has really taught me to listen
10:55more
10:56to my partner's feelings too, as opposed to just my own feelings and just sort of powering through
11:03of what I want, so that's been really helpful for me.
11:07I'm very grateful that Carmen has said that.
11:10It means a lot, and I think I need to see it, you know.
11:15I just need to see and feel what she's saying over the next 12 months.
11:19And after feeling appreciated and feeling like she sees me and, you know, she is really about
11:26me and her, my feelings towards additional members of the family might completely change.
11:31Let's focus on us for a year, and then we can revisit, potentially, maybe reversing the vasectomy.
11:37Carmen.
11:38I just want everything to be transparent moving forward.
11:43Resentment builds when nobody is listening.
11:46So, you have to be able to communicate what you're feeling resentful, what you're feeling
11:50angry about.
11:52I think what we went through before, I got to know myself a lot more through that break
11:58and realised, you know, when you go quiet and you stop communicating, you're actually
12:03just being defensive and trying to protect yourself.
12:05So, I've given Carmen that trust, and I've said to myself, I don't need to protect myself
12:11around this person, I can be open, kind of, apart from one subject.
12:18Apart from one subject, okay, kind of, yeah, exactly.
12:20Apart from one subject.
12:21I can see where I was wrong.
12:23Do you really?
12:23Yeah.
12:24Okay, good.
12:25I feel like we need to continue with therapy, we need to, you know, take your advice.
12:32Like, I feel like there's a lot more work that needs to be done here.
12:36You've both been going alongside each other, and you need to sort of make intentional moves
12:41to bridge that, to meet each other in the way, to keep going, keep that communication
12:45open.
12:45Would you agree?
12:47Yeah.
12:47Definitely.
12:49Okay.
12:50Our time has ended.
12:52Thanks.
12:53Thank you, Karen.
12:54Thank you for all your help.
12:55Thanks for your help.
12:56You're welcome.
12:56We appreciate it.
12:58This has definitely been a journey, but I feel like it was 100% needed, and I definitely
13:07would not have found out certain things had we not have done this, but if anything like
13:14this ever happened again, I would have to seriously question if this relationship is
13:21for me.
13:21But Junior's my soulmate, and I think we just need to communicate a lot better, and
13:30be honest with ourselves and with each other.
13:34The future is hopeful.
13:39The reason why I came here was to save our marriage.
13:43And moving forward, I definitely will not be behaving in that way again, in terms of
13:50hiding stuff from her.
13:52Carmen means the world to me.
13:53She's my childhood sweetheart, so I think we'll be able to get through the hurdles ahead.
14:03We are one-one.
14:04We are one-one.
14:05We are one-one.
14:06We are one-one.
14:07We are one-one.
14:08We are one-one.
14:09Love is the answer to every question.
14:11We are one-one.
14:13We are one-one.
14:14We are one-one.
14:16Love is the answer.
14:18Where's the Coke Sprite?
14:20Like, what's this?
14:21That's what...
14:22You get that at the corner shop, you know?
14:24No, no.
14:24Sometimes I'm trying to tell like I'm a corner shop, babe.
14:27Porque lo que es esto
14:29Let's talk about the last session
14:30Let's talk
14:33You know what, I feel like
14:34When you haven't had kids
14:36You're planning the future and stuff
14:38You say, oh I want a big family
14:39Blah, blah, blah
14:40When you actually have a kid
14:42And you understand what it is to have a kid
14:45Bro, it's nothing like what I thought it would be
14:48I'm telling you as well on a level
14:51Like
14:52I'm not just having one kid
14:54I'm not going to have more kids
14:56que yo no puedo hacer nada en mi propia vida.
14:58Solo quiero tener la cantidad de niños que sé que si todo lo hagan,
15:02yo puedo hacer nada.
15:03SÃ, no puedo hacer nada.
15:07No puedo hacer nada.
15:08No puedo hacer nada.
15:09No creo que puedo hacer nada.
15:10Si es lo que estás diciendo, ¿no?
15:12No, porque para mÃ...
15:15Porque ya te dije que es un problema para mÃ.
15:17Para ser honesto.
15:18Pero entonces, ¿qué estamos haciendo aqu�
15:22No sé.
15:23Take your anger out on me
15:26Once you're screaming
15:28Now my names ain't sorry
15:30It's your body forgiven
15:33Forget it, babe
15:37The main issues between this couple
15:39is Kelvin's blindness
15:41to the need for the relationship to be given attention.
15:46He grew up in a household where mum just worked
15:48to keep the family together.
15:50He's unconsciously reenacting that,
15:52but he doesn't have to do that.
15:54What he needs to know
15:55is that he can have his business
15:57and a relationship.
15:58They can co-exist.
16:00Whether this relationship survives
16:02comes down to one thing.
16:04Their willingness to find a compromise.
16:09Hello, Debbie.
16:10Hello.
16:11Hi.
16:11Hello, Kelvin.
16:12Hello.
16:14Welcome back to our last session together.
16:17I know.
16:18Are you comfortable?
16:20Yes.
16:20Yes.
16:21I do remember giving you some homework.
16:25How did that go?
16:28I was going to cook for Debbie at mine.
16:30It fell on a day where
16:32Arsenal were playing the last game of the season.
16:34So...
16:35He left me waiting, I think,
16:37it was like an hour and a half late.
16:39Yeah.
16:39Did you tell Debbie that you were going to be late?
16:41No.
16:41You didn't tell me you were going to the Arsenal match.
16:44Yeah.
16:44Are you not understanding?
16:45No, I get it.
16:45That's not how you communicate with your partner
16:47and keep her waiting an hour and 30 minutes.
16:53But I still came.
16:54Anyways, we can get...
16:55You got there.
16:56I got there.
16:57I was...
16:57I came.
16:58I cooked.
16:58We spoke a bit.
16:59I started cooking.
17:01We had a little bit of an argument.
17:05OK.
17:06Take me through this.
17:09What did you tell me
17:10while you was cutting your onions?
17:13So, there was a comment that my mum made.
17:15She was just saying on the phone that, you know,
17:17I don't think Debbie's the one for you right now.
17:19Try and sort of navigate your life.
17:21His mum has gone to him and said,
17:23I don't think Debbie's the one because she's putting pressure on you.
17:27She's saying you're too busy.
17:28You need to run your business.
17:30That's what's happening.
17:31And now...
17:32But it's not just my mum's influence.
17:33It's also reality.
17:34No.
17:35It's your mum's influence.
17:38And there shouldn't be all this delusion going on
17:40of Debbie's not the one.
17:43I do think your mum is a bit jealous.
17:47I know she's not.
17:50His mum has to be jealous
17:52because why would you say you think I'm not the one for your son?
17:57I think she believes I'm taking her spot.
18:00But at the end of the day, you're his mum.
18:03You're not going to marry Kelvin.
18:05So, I feel like she just needs to have a bit of boundaries.
18:10Kelvin will never admit that.
18:14I am her only boy.
18:15When a mum is advising their child, it's...
18:19I understand why...
18:19Well, you're 27.
18:20You're a grown man now.
18:22I'll always be her child, you know,
18:23until both of us go underground.
18:25She's coming from a good place.
18:28How would you feel about going forward with Kelvin
18:31if mum didn't approve of the union?
18:34If you was to be my husband
18:36or you wanted to marry me as your wife,
18:38I would expect you to stand up for me with things like that.
18:43I wouldn't want to marry into a family
18:45where your mum doesn't approve of me.
18:47Yeah.
18:48Never.
18:50She shouldn't have said it.
18:51My mum shouldn't have said it.
18:51But with that being said,
18:52I understand where she was coming from.
18:56I think she was coming from a place of just being a mum,
19:00you know, always looking out for her son.
19:01So, I think she just kind of wanted to protect myself, my dream.
19:07My mum, I know her.
19:08She wants to sort of meddle and get involved.
19:11That's her character.
19:11I've accepted it, you know?
19:14Complete delusion.
19:15Losing me, Kelvin, sleepless nights.
19:19And once I'm gone, never coming back.
19:21And you know this.
19:25So, where does this leave you?
19:28What do you want?
19:29What don't you want?
19:29What can you do?
19:30What can't you do?
19:31Let's make it clear.
19:32I want to focus on this business.
19:35So, where does that leave the relationship?
19:43If he wants to pursue me as his girlfriend or prove to me that he wants me, he needs to
19:49just put in that effort.
19:50I don't want him to just feel comfortable.
19:52I know I'm going to see Debbie on Monday because she's coming to the shop.
19:55So, I'm going to take a CR.
19:57Yeah.
19:58On helping you with all your business stuff and just leave that to you.
20:02OK.
20:04I think it's quite a healthy solution.
20:06Oh, good.
20:07Because it's separating business and your relationship.
20:10Yeah.
20:11And whether you can make that space in your head for the thought that actually there is a relationship.
20:18I need to feed it.
20:21I need to think about it.
20:23I need to be in it sometimes in the week.
20:26Yeah.
20:29I'll have a challenge, so...
20:31Because sometimes I feel like he's confusing seeing me in the shop.
20:35Yes.
20:35Definitely.
20:36Like, I've seen her.
20:37Definitely.
20:38I agree.
20:39So, separating that is a good first move, really, to test out whether you both have intention.
20:45Does that sound workable?
20:47Yeah.
20:50Would you like to sort of agree that here?
20:53Debbie, you talk to Kelvin and just say what it is that you want over the next six months or
20:58a year.
21:00So, I'll give you, like, your space, do your business stuff.
21:04However, if you want this to work, show me with action.
21:09Cool.
21:10How do you feel about that, Kelvin?
21:14Yeah, I want to make it work.
21:17We'll see.
21:19From couples therapy, I feel just stronger.
21:23I feel proud of myself for putting myself, like, out there and staying true to myself.
21:29I love Kelvin.
21:30And if he finds balance, then I see a future with him.
21:36But if there's no balance, then no.
21:41Don't forget what we've said here today.
21:43I won't forget this experience, trust me.
21:46Has it been that bad?
21:47No, it's been all right.
21:48It's been good.
21:49It's been good.
21:50I think my main takeaway is love is complicated.
21:55And sometimes people aren't going to see life from the same lens that you do.
22:00Bye for now.
22:09I hope that after this therapy session, we're more aligned with each other.
22:13When I'm trying, spending quality time with Debbie, outside work.
22:17I do love Debbie.
22:19And we'll see what the future has for both of us.
22:33When it comes to the conversation on having more kids in the future, I feel like we're definitely on different
22:39pages.
22:40I feel like I've had insight on what it's like to have a child with him.
22:45I definitely don't regret it, but I wouldn't want to times that now by two.
22:53We had a date, and yeah, it just took a left turn.
22:56We were discussing potentially having more kids in the future, which we both agreed that we were going to do.
23:03I really need a lot of answers, man.
23:05I don't even know if this girl still loves me.
23:07I hope we can sort things out, but at the end of the day, I just want clarity.
23:20Hi, Jay. Hi, Karen.
23:22Welcome back.
23:23Hello, Daisy.
23:24Hi.
23:25How are you two?
23:27Good.
23:28Why do I not actually feel that?
23:31Oh, I'm good as an individual.
23:36OK?
23:37Yeah.
23:38Jay?
23:40Not great.
23:43Do you want to tell me why?
23:46We went on a date.
23:48It was supposed to be for us to have a good time, and we were just sort of going over
23:52the conversation about having more kids.
23:55The more we discussed that, it just sort of took a left turn, I would say.
24:02For you, Daisy?
24:05I feel like I would need to see some genuine change for me to feel safe having more kids with
24:13him.
24:13OK.
24:14We'll come back to that.
24:17So, I gave you some questions, and you went away and thought about them.
24:21Yeah.
24:21So, can we go through them?
24:24What is working in this relationship that I still deeply value?
24:27And, Daisy, to you first, please.
24:30I really value the friendship element of a relationship, and I feel that's one thing we always have.
24:37Every day with Joseph does feel like spending time with a really good friend.
24:44And Jay?
24:46I said I value the sense of togetherness that we have when we go through issues.
24:52I said I also value the deep love and connection that we have for each other.
24:57And I value the sense of care and honesty that she has sometimes as well.
25:04Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes.
25:05Hold on, you've both said the same thing.
25:08Well, she's talking like she's talking about some best friend or something.
25:11How have, how is that what you've interpreted from what I've said?
25:16Bro, I'm not your friend, bro.
25:18I said I value the friendship element of a relationship.
25:21And that's all that you value.
25:25You don't see that as a fundamental element of a relationship, Jay?
25:28It is fundamental, but like, I wanted to hear that she valued the love that we have and the connection
25:34that we share.
25:36But that's obvious.
25:37It's not obvious.
25:38We'll come back.
25:40What is hurting me or wearing me down in ways I'm struggling to accept or forgive?
25:47Daisy?
25:49Joseph's lack of sentiment is wearing me down.
25:54When I newly gave birth, he often says he was around when I needed him.
25:59But in the moments where he could show his support and empathy for everything I'd gone through when it wasn't
26:06absolutely necessary, he didn't.
26:10I'm hearing there that you don't feel as if Jay really understands you and is there for you in that
26:16moment.
26:17I did feel alone a lot of the times.
26:20Yeah.
26:22OK, if nothing changes, can I live with this relationship long term?
26:28Joseph?
26:30If nothing changes, no, I do not believe I can continue this relationship long term.
26:35Because I do want to have a bigger family and I've got the impression that she would want to as
26:41well, but then sometimes I get the impression that she doesn't.
26:44So I'm kind of confused on that.
26:47Because ultimately, I'm the one giving birth and ultimately, I will be the primary carer.
26:52OK, can you do it yourself though?
26:53Yes.
26:53Can you impregnate yourself?
26:55Ultimately, it would be my decision.
26:57Can we just think about, if you two weren't together, what would that mean for both of you?
27:04I mean, are you together just for Allura?
27:07No.
27:08No?
27:09If we weren't together, I would never leave her stranded, like...
27:13That's what I want to talk about.
27:14I would never not support her, because when we did start this journey when she was pregnant...
27:19Yeah.
27:19..I was there the whole time.
27:22We're going to shake it up a bit.
27:24Can we do an exercise where you two have a think about what it might be like to co-parent?
27:32What were your thoughts?
27:34I feel like, deep down, he would prefer to co-parent.
27:41What about you?
27:49I feel like this has unravelled a lot of things that I couldn't ignore.
28:00To be honest, I'd rather leave her just being alone.
28:05Because for me, it just sounds like he's miserable, for the most part.
28:12I don't truly want to be co-parents.
28:15I don't think anybody does.
28:16I think everybody who has a partner or has a kid with a partner hopes for the happy ending one
28:24day.
28:24I just feel like, ultimately, that's probably what's best.
28:28I wouldn't want to contribute to somebody's misery.
28:33I would just say, find somebody who's on your wavelength.
28:37Have you heard me say I'm miserable?
28:39No, I haven't.
28:40And this might sound harsh.
28:41But are you using him as an excuse because, actually, you do want to separate and you want to co
28:46-parent?
28:46I was literally going to say the same thing.
28:48Is that what you're doing?
28:49If that's what you want to do, just stand on it.
28:51I'm not using him as an excuse.
28:54And this is the thing, he hasn't explicitly said those things.
28:58But from all the things that he's complained about, I couldn't imagine that somebody like that is happy.
29:04There's no happy or miserable.
29:05Isn't it things to work through?
29:07Yeah, it's just things to work on.
29:08Of course, I'm not happy about certain things.
29:10But there's also so many different things I'm happy about, which I show you all the time.
29:15But the thing is, you don't acknowledge them.
29:17I do acknowledge it.
29:18Why am I going to acknowledge?
29:19Why am I going to be discussing things I'm happy about?
29:21There's nothing to discuss there.
29:24You said that.
29:26You feel like I'm constantly bringing you down.
29:28But I feel like you don't...
29:29I said as a father.
29:31Okay.
29:32Because...
29:32As a dad, as a person in general, whatever it may be.
29:35But I feel like you don't realise that that is what you have done throughout this whole experience.
29:39I feel like, although I may criticise him about one thing, I always make sure to then praise him about
29:45something else.
29:46Whereas vice versa, I just feel like it's constant criticism and...
29:50Praise me about...
29:51I haven't heard any praise.
29:53Okay.
29:54That's fine.
29:55I don't care about this anymore.
29:57You see?
29:57I'm actually tired.
29:58This is boring at this point.
30:03Why is she so irritated?
30:05She's hurt.
30:09Do you want to see if she wants to come back in just to finish this session?
30:13Honestly, I don't care.
30:13No, I don't care.
30:16Generally, I don't care.
30:18Joseph was basically talking out of his ass.
30:21And I just don't like the image that he's portraying.
30:23And for me, it was a waste of time sitting there, listening to that, because it's just simply not true.
30:30I'm done.
30:40This is what I have to deal with every time.
30:42It's just draining.
30:45Like, who wants to deal with that, but...
30:48Why don't you go and see how she's feeling?
30:53Rage in my arms tonight
30:56Don't love me, destroy me
30:59Burn like a wildfire
31:03Blow like a river wild
31:05Rage in my arms tonight
31:10Don't love me, destroy me
31:16You actually left?
31:18You left me?
31:19Yes, I have left you.
31:20I don't care.
31:20Yeah, I've walked out before, but I've never left you.
31:22I've never left here without you.
31:24That's fine.
31:24Don't think about me.
31:25I am going to walk out, because I'm not going to sit there and listen to her.
31:27That's bullshit.
31:28You always say I don't support you.
31:29That's a lie.
31:30I'm not doing it anymore.
31:32Okay, cool.
31:33Talk to yourself!
31:35Whatever, man.
31:42She does know I love her, and she knows I love Elora as well, deeply.
31:45So, I don't know.
31:47I feel like sometimes that's used against me.
31:49I don't want to be made to look like the villain.
31:54So, I don't know where this leaves us.
31:56It seems like it's over.
31:58So, yeah, I guess that's what it is.
32:01Over.
32:11Don't give up on this.
32:18Promise me you won't let go so quick.
32:25Good news is that Victor and my parents have worked it out.
32:28They all sat down.
32:29They spoke about everything they need to speak about, and now it's all hashed.
32:32It's all good.
32:33They're all aligned with each other now.
32:35So, it's perfect.
32:36We want the love for each other to be the base layer for everything, and the foundation for everything we
32:42do.
32:43From now on, everything else comes next.
32:46Yeah.
32:47Oh, that was good.
32:48That was very good.
32:48That was cute.
32:49That was very good.
32:50No?
32:51Oh, you don't want my lip gloss?
32:52Okay, fair fair.
32:52Not right now, not right now.
32:56We're definitely going to continue some therapy.
32:59We need a Karen in our life.
33:03Sometimes you need that middle person just to kind of help you manoeuvre through certain conversations with each other.
33:10It's been a positive experience.
33:13Yeah.
33:16Life has been...
33:20...amazing.
33:21I've been travelling.
33:24I got a promotion at my job.
33:26Everything just seems to be falling into place, and I've just been the happiest I've ever been in a very
33:32long time.
33:34With that being said...
33:39...me and Kelvin are still together.
33:43Definitely growing as a couple and individuals.
33:46Debbie's a lot busier now, so she definitely understands the struggles that I was facing.
33:51And now I'm on the receiving end.
33:53So, yeah.
33:54It's a double-edged sword, but definitely growing.
34:02I can say that after therapy opened a lot of wounds, and it was very difficult.
34:07We nearly didn't make it.
34:08We decided to continue therapy.
34:11And it has been a journey.
34:14I'm still, like, obviously letting her know that I'm going out with her friends.
34:18It's just still trying to find balance, I guess.
34:21We're working for it.
34:27So, with me and Daisy's relationship right now...
34:32...yeah, we're not together.
34:35We were just on two completely different pages.
34:37I felt like we were speaking in two different languages.
34:40But our daughter's our main party, so irregardless of what's going on between us,
34:44we definitely make sure to show up for her.
34:47I think the resentment from a lot of the past issues that we've been through
34:51and things that we just can't necessarily get past
34:54has just sort of caught up to us.
34:56We've broken up lots of times, but what makes me feel different this time is
35:01we don't live together anymore.
35:02Yeah, it just makes it more final, you know?
35:05I could see myself getting back with him,
35:08but I feel like I definitely need to deal with my pride
35:14and learn to forgive.
35:21There's a reason that we were together in the first place, so...
35:25Yeah, that's my answer.
35:30You made it to the sofa.
35:31You've made it to the sofa.
35:34Things are going really well between us.
35:36I think therapy has helped us understand each other a bit more.
35:41I would say that you appreciate me more, don't you?
35:44Definitely.
35:44In regards to intimacy,
35:47there's definitely a few more, like, visits per week, you know?
35:50More effort.
35:51Yeah, more effort.
35:52It's been...it's good, it's nice.
35:55I don't know, I just fancy my mans all over again, you know, you know?
36:02I would say we're in a great place.
36:05In terms of intimacy, finances, just in general, I think we're really good.
36:10I am now a post man.
36:11Not necessarily what I want to be doing right now,
36:13but being able to contribute financially again makes me feel like the man.
36:18It's good to see you out doing something.
36:21It's changed your spirit, it's made you more like how you were before.
36:26Less grumpy.
36:27I'm proud of you.
36:28I'm proud of you.
36:29Because you're doing what you need to do.
36:31That's what we do, man.
36:33Why are you smelling me like that?
36:38And...
36:40We're having a baby!
36:57We are all one.
36:59We are all one.
37:00We are all one.
37:01We are all one.
37:02Love is the answer to every question.
37:06We are all one.
37:07We are all one.
37:08We are all one.
37:09We are all one.
37:11We are all one.
37:11Love is the answer to every question.
37:18Amazing grace.
37:20I see the sound that saved a wretch like me.
37:30Saved a wretch like me.
37:32We are all one.
37:35We are all one.
37:36We are all one.
37:36We are all one.
37:37Love is the answer to every question.
37:41We are all one.
37:43We are all one.
37:45We are all one.
37:46We are all one.
37:46Love is the answer to every question.
37:46Love is the answer to every question.
37:47We are all one.
37:47Love is the answer to every question.
37:49We are all one.
37:51We are all one.
37:52We are all one.
37:54We are all one.
37:56We are all one.
37:57We are all one.
37:58We are all one.
37:59We are all one.
37:59We are all one.
38:08Gracias.
38:38Gracias.
39:08Gracias.
39:38Gracias.
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