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04:31I did see it, yeah.
04:33You probably saw it, I hung up.
04:36Just to...
04:36Yeah, I just think that what we need now is we need a whistleblower.
04:43And we need someone from inside the agency.
04:47And high up.
04:48From the top.
04:51Eileen said that we must be making a difference.
04:53Did she?
04:54Yeah, she did.
04:55So, come on, let's...
04:57That's the point, isn't it?
04:58Yeah, we are.
04:58There's no point doing this unless we make a difference.
05:00No, let's keep going.
05:01Let's keep going and let's find that fucking whistleblower.
05:04Right.
05:05June 2019.
05:07Sir James Bevan Environment Agency.
05:10Dear Sir James, I'm writing to your office as I'm sure you will know where to direct the question.
05:14October 2019.
05:17Dear Sir James, I wrote to you to raise concerns about a serious integrity issue involving the agency.
05:23Dear Sir James, 34 days have now passed since I sent you evidence.
05:27I've given up expecting a reply from you.
05:31Dear Ashley, I am in the receipt of your email to Sir James.
05:41Would you mind coming to our office and would the 19th suit?
05:55Is Sir James not coming?
05:57I'm afraid not.
05:58No, Sir James wouldn't routinely attend meetings at this kind of level.
06:02I'd hoped he'd be here.
06:04He's time for.
06:06He's aware of your work.
06:07Well, we're trying to find out what you're going to do about the illegal sewage overflow at Boughton.
06:14The combined storm overflow.
06:15The combined storm overflow at Burton has shown no detectable effects on the water quality.
06:21The water quality is stable and not deteriorating.
06:24I mean, our data shows very clearly that we have the best quality water since the Industrial Revolution.
06:31The water's turned brown.
06:32Yeah.
06:33It's turned so brown that when it joins the Thames at Newbridge, it makes the Thames look like a Swiss
06:38mountain stream.
06:40The water is brown in places, but that's a natural phenomenon.
06:45It's caused by a geological fault.
06:46Sorry, a geological fault?
06:48Yeah.
06:49Yeah.
06:49Sorry, a geological fault is millions of years old.
06:53We remember when the water was clear.
06:55No one remembers the good old days before the geological fault.
06:58In the last 12 months since we installed sensors, there's been no evidence of pollution.
07:03Well, that's because you've installed the monitors upstream from the sewage pipes.
07:06Now, is that incompetence or an attempt to cover up a scandal?
07:10No, no.
07:10The agency would never position a monitor to achieve a particular reading.
07:14We are working extremely hard to transform the environment.
07:16We've improved and protected something like, I think it's 15,000 kilometres of river.
07:22It's right, but you've had 92 complaints from the general public about sewage pollution.
07:28And that's just the wind rush.
07:29I've actually got the breakdown here.
07:35In 36 of those cases, there was no offence.
07:40And in 39, there was insufficient evidence.
07:44And in 6, we were unable to identify the offender.
07:49What do you mean you couldn't identify the offenders?
07:51Why can't you identify the offenders?
07:52There's seven sewage works along the wind rush.
07:55They're all run by Thames Water.
07:56I mean, you say you've got insufficient evidence, but we keep giving you the evidence.
08:00All we ever do is give you the evidence, and all we get back is it's under investigation.
08:04And then nothing, nothing, nothing ever happens.
08:09In exceptional circumstances, for example, after heavy rain, the sewage systems are allowed
08:14to overflow.
08:15No, no, no.
08:17You see, that's not the law.
08:18The law is that in all normal climatic conditions, including heavy rainfall, the water companies
08:24have to treat the sewage.
08:26They have to make it safe before they put it back into the river.
08:29The law is a grey area.
08:30No.
08:31No, it's not a grey area with respect.
08:33It's the law.
08:33Sorry, can I?
08:35Sorry.
08:37Thames is their own data.
08:40It shows they stopped treating sewage at Northridge for more than three months.
08:46Now, they told us that their senses had broken down, but we think they're lying.
08:54They're lying.
08:55So why would they do that?
08:58Why would they lie to you?
09:12Doors are closed here.
09:17We're attempting regulators.
09:22Sorry?
09:24The regulation isn't real.
09:27The government want us to look like a regulator, but they won't let us do our job.
09:32Okay.
09:34When Cameron and Trust gutted the agency, we went from regulating the industry to doing
09:39its bidding.
09:41Do you think we could take your number?
09:43Look, just keep going.
09:47This is going to be the first government in modern history that at the end of its parliamentary
09:52term has less regulation in place than there was at the beginning.
09:56We've now identified those 3,000 regulations that we're going to scrap.
10:00Let's reduce the amount and the burden of regulation.
10:03We're strangled by red tape back, the health and safety monster.
10:06Cut guidance by 80% and we reduce farm inspections by 34,000 every year.
10:12Regulations will...
10:13None of my ministers could introduce a regulation unless they abolished one at the same time.
10:17Massively reduce the number of rules, laws and regulations that frankly treat all of you
10:23by idiots.
10:27So, really, it's about stripping out as much unnecessary regulation as possible and taking responsibility
10:35for climate change and saying, what more can we do to get us to net zero?
10:41As you know, this is a passion project for Sir James, who feels that we can bring our car
10:48usage down by 70%.
10:51Yeah.
10:53It's...
10:53Yeah.
10:54So, from next month, we're going to be taking the bold decision to cut back decisively on our
11:00car leases.
11:04Yeah.
11:05Come on.
11:06Sorry.
11:07Just like to clarify what you're going to get rid of our cars.
11:12So, it's about reducing the agency's carbon footprint.
11:16Just getting that...
11:17Yeah.
11:18Go ahead, Hannah.
11:19The cars that we drive to the inspections in.
11:23Right.
11:24Yeah.
11:24So, self-monitoring and a more desk-based regulation is really, it's really helping us move the needle
11:31on climate change.
11:35But the remaining inspections...
11:39Yeah.
11:40How do we get to those without a car?
11:43Yeah.
11:45It's a great question.
11:46It's a really great question.
11:48And we'll take that forward to the next discussion meeting.
11:51Thanks, Hannah.
11:53Yeah, lovely.
11:53Thanks, everyone.
11:54Not easy news to break, is it?
11:56Yeah, surprise.
11:57Ebby's got something to say.
11:58I know.
11:58I know.
11:59I know.
11:59But my car...
11:59Everyone's driving cars, we're the environment agency.
12:02Absolutely.
12:02What's wrong with the train?
12:03I'll keep mine, I think.
12:04So, yeah.
12:05Mmm, coffee.
12:06How do I get a coffee?
12:09Does anybody know what we're looking at?
12:12Anybody?
12:14Okay.
12:15Could you tell me what the reactants are?
12:17So, if you move your head even slightly, the vertigo gets more intense?
12:21Yeah.
12:22And the attack's happening maybe twice a week?
12:24About that, yeah.
12:29The good news is that you don't have cancer.
12:32We actually think it's Meniere's.
12:34It's a disease of the inner ear.
12:36The main symptom is acute vertigo episodes, vomiting, tinnitus.
12:43It's a pretty neat fit with your presentation.
12:48They were dumping sewage in the water the last time before I got sick.
12:54Right, you know that from...
12:57The Suffers Against Sewage app.
12:59Okay.
13:01Might that be...
13:02The causes are unclear.
13:04It's post-viral.
13:05This often starts with an ear infection.
13:07You know, they're common in surfers.
13:08Yeah, every surfer I know.
13:13This is a chronic condition.
13:16I'm afraid there's no cure.
13:39Should we leave the table away?
13:43Just hold his back.
14:08So, by ending on-site inspections into categories three and four,
14:13no or low impact pollution events
14:16and doubling down
14:17on the more serious
14:19category 1 and 2 incidents
14:22we think we can
14:23turn ourselves into a more effective
14:25fighting unit
14:26so from today we are ending on site
14:29inspections for cats 3 and 4
14:31any questions
14:34well yeah
14:37a category 3 incident
14:39can be 2 km of sewage
14:43we want you to not inspect
14:45to not spend time on these incidents
14:49except that since the water companies
14:52have been self-reporting
14:54they almost always only report
14:57categories 3s and 4s
14:59so they're not actually reporting
15:00serious incidents
15:01and so if the water companies
15:02are only reporting 3s and 4s
15:05and we're no longer allowed
15:07to investigate
15:08so what exactly are we going to be doing
15:11I've told the government
15:12you get the regulation you pay for
15:14we no longer have the money
15:15to go on inspecting
15:16low-grade pollution events
15:19we need you to shut down
15:21these reports as unsubstantiated
15:22or to silently pass them
15:24and to not report them
15:26as pollution incidents
15:27is that clear
15:33yeah thank you
15:34thanks everyone
15:35you're on with your day
15:36yeah
15:47we had to fuck
15:48fucking one kiss
15:50how are you going to get to fucking work
15:52fuck nice
15:55horseback
16:02what time did he call you
16:04I passed ten last night
16:08he said he couldn't miss it
16:20oh my god look at it
16:27get some shots
16:27and we'll call the agency
16:29on the way back
16:37get some shots
16:50and we'll call the agency
16:50on the way back
19:51Then I can't do anything. I can't move.
19:54Can you eat and drink unhated?
19:56Yeah, but again, not when I'm having an attack.
20:01I've been getting the attacks every few days for the past six months.
20:05But if you're not having one of your attacks, can you eat and drink unhated?
20:09Yeah, but...
20:10Yes or no is fine.
20:12Yes.
20:15Can you dress and undress unhated?
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23:17You know SROİK?
23:19No, what's that?
23:21Strategic Review of Incident Charges.
23:23It's like what we charge the clients for permits.
23:26So we don't have clients, Cheryl.
23:28We're an environment agency.
23:29Okay, sorry, yes, we don't have clients.
23:32But Sir James has put the prices up, yeah?
23:35And I'm talking like up, up.
23:37Big time.
23:39Well, he's charging the water companies more.
23:41Yep.
23:42Well, surely they've gone down to the government,
23:44like lobbying them, going mad.
23:46And the charges are taken down.
23:48No, not a peep.
23:49Not a peep.
23:51They're just paying it.
23:53We've basically had such a high revenue spike, yeah,
23:58that we are on our way to becoming a client-funded regulator.
24:04Sorry, hold on one minute.
24:05This is going a bit...
24:06So you're saying that the water companies
24:10are funding the environment agency.
24:12Wow.
24:13That's what you're...
24:14Lee, you see the issues there.
24:16You can't be serious.
24:17A client-funded regulator.
24:22Amazing, isn't it?
24:22How can that even be a thing?
24:25It's a thing.
24:26Well, hold on, because literally,
24:28the other day, Sir James said
24:30that you get the regulation that you pay for.
24:32Yeah.
24:32that we haven't got the money
24:34to do the investigations that we used to do.
24:37Nobody's paying for them.
24:38Okay.
24:38That's your area, isn't it?
24:40I mean...
24:41All I know is that
24:43we have got more cash than we've ever had before.
24:47Just making conversation.
24:51I've got the job.
24:53Postman?
24:54Mm-hmm.
24:54No?
24:54Yeah.
24:55Did you?
24:55Yeah.
24:56Oh, good fun.
24:57Yeah, really good timing.
25:00Uh-huh.
25:01Because I did two pregnancy tests this morning.
25:05What?
25:06And, yeah, I'm pregnant.
25:08What?
25:09Yeah, pregnant.
25:10No?
25:11Yeah.
25:12Yeah.
25:13I sort of just had a funny feeling
25:14and then, yeah, did one test, two lines,
25:19and then I did another test
25:20and it said two lines this morning.
25:21I was like, fuck.
25:25Oh, oh, oh.
25:33I'm Susan Davey.
25:35I am the CEO of Southwest Water.
25:37Basically, the wet weather events
25:40put a strain on our Victorian networks.
25:43And, unfortunately,
25:45we have a Victorian sewage system
25:47which we have inherited
25:48and that means things do go wrong.
25:51Just say Victorian sewage network.
25:5312%.
25:5412?
25:5512%?
25:56What's 12%?
25:5812% of the sewage system is Victorian.
26:00What do they tell you?
26:02That the whole of the system was Victorian,
26:05so that meant that the investment
26:07would be so high
26:08that it'd be impossible
26:09to actually fix it all.
26:11Bollocks.
26:12Shall I tell you what stopped it?
26:14When privatization came in,
26:16they just stopped spending.
26:17After the war, they kept upgrading.
26:19Then after privatization came in,
26:22they just stopped.
26:23Not just Thames,
26:25all of them.
26:266% new plants is privatization.
26:296%?
26:306%.
26:31Is that all?
26:31You know, it'd be good
26:32if we could maybe come and
26:34visit one of the works.
26:35I don't know about that.
26:36Well, I'll have to see,
26:38lads, honestly,
26:38because even just doing this,
26:40I feel a bit nervous.
26:42Fucking London Stadium.
26:43That's not a proper stadium.
26:44Fucking massive.
26:46Upton Park.
26:46Now, that was a proper stadium, mate.
26:48London Stadium's too big.
26:49You need fucking binoculars.
26:50Do you know what I mean?
26:51Yeah.
26:51Sorry, Pete,
26:52did you want to see an EDM?
26:54Oh, yes, yes, that's right.
26:55Well remembered.
26:56So this is an event duration monitor.
26:59Now, we fitted one of these
27:01on every sewage pipe in England.
27:03In 2012,
27:05the coalition government,
27:06they ordered all the water companies
27:07to record how much time
27:09they spend dumping raw sewage.
27:12These little units,
27:13they measure how much poo
27:14goes into the river by hours.
27:16Management have been dragging
27:17their feet for eight years now.
27:19But we're finally getting
27:21most of it in now.
27:22And the agency,
27:23they put a publish the numbers.
27:25They have to, by law.
27:26They're not going to like it,
27:27but tough shit.
27:30EDMs.
27:32Yes.
27:35So,
27:36we are finalizing plans
27:38for the statutory publication
27:40of the EDM numbers.
27:44As you know,
27:45there have been
27:46some technical delays,
27:48but it looks like
27:49they're almost ready.
27:51And, uh,
27:52they're
27:53going to come
27:54as a bit of a shock.
27:56Uh,
27:57the data's
27:58going to show
27:59that the water companies
28:00discharged raw sewage
28:03400,000 times
28:05in 2020.
28:06That's
28:071,100 times a day
28:10for a total of
28:123.1 million hours.
28:17is a bit of a shocker.
28:18Can I just say that, um,
28:21since operator self-monitoring,
28:23we've had to rely
28:24on the water companies
28:25to report back to us.
28:27Yeah,
28:27I think that the key here
28:29is that this doesn't get framed
28:30as a failure of regulation.
28:32That is,
28:33that is,
28:34that would be quite wrong.
28:35And, uh,
28:36and I think managing comms
28:37on this is going to be key.
28:38And we are working
28:40actively
28:41with the water companies
28:42to, uh,
28:43to, to,
28:44to bear down
28:45on the problem.
28:46Yeah.
28:46And, uh...
28:47But that's 1,100
28:48criminal offences
28:49a day.
28:51Well, that's actually,
28:51that's debatable
28:52because that depends
28:53on the terms
28:54of the permit
28:54and the circumstances
28:56around each spill.
28:57Yeah,
28:58and we know
28:59the legislation permits
29:00discharging after heavy rainfall
29:01and so...
29:02No, no, it doesn't.
29:04Sorry, Hannah.
29:05The law doesn't say
29:06that you can just
29:07dump sewage
29:07after heavy rain.
29:09It says that
29:10in all normal,
29:11climatic
29:11and seasonal circumstances,
29:13the water companies
29:14have to treat the sewage,
29:16not just dump it.
29:17But it's not
29:18the agency's job
29:18to adjudicate legal matters.
29:20I mean,
29:21this is actually
29:21a matter for the courts.
29:23No, no, no.
29:24This is,
29:24this is our job.
29:25It's our job
29:26to enforce the law.
29:28Yeah.
29:28That's what we're here to do.
29:35Can you, um,
29:36you...
29:37Did you want to...
29:37No, no,
29:38you finish off here,
29:39Sophie.
29:41Thank you.
29:43So we've identified the problem
29:44and now we work on the problem,
29:45which is reframing
29:46and owning the narrative.
29:48Yeah, we don't want this
29:49to get misconstrued
29:50as some sort of failure
29:51on our part
29:51because it just isn't.
29:52Thanks.
29:52That's really cool.
29:53Yeah, thanks so much.
29:54Thanks.
29:56Cool.
29:57Lovely.
29:57Thanks, Liz.
29:58Thanks so much.
29:59By the way,
30:00um,
30:02so,
30:03I've heard you're going to give
30:04evidence in Parliament.
30:05Yes.
30:06Yes.
30:06Amazing.
30:07Yeah, I think you're bad.
30:09What does that mean,
30:10thinking about it?
30:11He's, uh,
30:11he's nervous.
30:12No, I'm not nervous.
30:14He's nervous.
30:14No, it's not that I'm nervous.
30:16I want to do it.
30:17It's just,
30:18it's difficult.
30:19Pete.
30:19Don't worry about it.
30:20I'll do.
30:21Yeah, we're counting on you.
30:22We are really counting on you.
30:23And you can explain it
30:24in this scientific way.
30:25You're going to come across
30:26brilliantly.
30:26They're going to believe you, mate.
30:28Well, it,
30:30it's not really as simple as that.
30:31I mean,
30:32the boys from Ogden
30:32called me earlier, right?
30:34Yeah.
30:34They told me that they dumped
30:35two billion litres of sewage
30:37in the Thames
30:38over two days.
30:40Environment Agency
30:40haven't got a Scooby.
30:42Did they send you the data?
30:43I've got the data, yeah.
30:44Right.
30:44Can you send that to us?
30:45I will send it to you.
30:46We're not going to let you down.
30:48It makes sense.
30:48Please, you can do this.
30:50Come on, Pete.
30:51That's all right, no.
30:52You're a legend, mate.
30:53Come on.
31:04We now have
31:05the lowest number
31:06of serious pollution incidents
31:08from water companies
31:09that we have yet recorded.
31:12More water companies
31:13are now at the
31:14highest level
31:15of performance,
31:16what we call
31:17four-star performance.
31:19I mean,
31:20we now have
31:20the lowest number
31:21of serious pollution incidents
31:23from water companies
31:24that we have yet recorded.
31:54I'm an environment officer.
31:55of the agency.
31:56I investigate sewage pollution.
32:01When I first joined,
32:04it wasn't a job
32:05to get rich on.
32:07I could see
32:08I was making a difference.
32:12Corporations want to make money.
32:14We make sure
32:14that they don't poison
32:15the rivers doing it.
32:16We could investigate,
32:19prosecute,
32:19whatever it took.
32:22But then they told the companies
32:23that they could
32:25regulate themselves.
32:27That's
32:28the appraiser self-monitoring.
32:29Exactly.
32:31Then came
32:32the Cameron cuts,
32:34then the trust cuts.
32:35They laid off
32:36investigators,
32:38slashed prosecutions.
32:39I mean,
32:39they even took our cars
32:40off of us
32:40so we couldn't visit
32:41pollution sites.
32:42So all these cuts
32:43meant you couldn't
32:44do your job properly?
32:46That's not it.
32:49In 2021,
32:51Sir James
32:51hiked the prices
32:52the water companies
32:53paid for their permits.
32:55It was called
32:56charge-funded regulation.
32:58We get 96 million
32:59from the government.
33:01We are now
33:02pulling in
33:04411 million
33:05from charges.
33:06All these cuts,
33:08they're just a smokescreen.
33:10We're swimming in cash.
33:13I am doing this
33:15because I know
33:15that it is wrong.
33:16And it has ruined
33:17my whole working life.
33:23Good luck.
33:36Right.
33:40Fucking hell.
33:42What should we do?
33:43Well, first we read them.
33:46And then I think
33:47we should call
33:47some journalists.
33:50The Environment Agency
33:52has refused to comment
33:53on whether
33:54agency directors
33:55currently hold shares
33:56in UK water companies.
33:59The agency claimed
34:00it would break
34:01data protection laws
34:02if it disclosed
34:03the information.
34:03Environment Agency
34:04chiefs secretly held
34:06a series of private
34:07dinners with
34:07water company bosses
34:08at the Royal Automobile
34:10Club in central London.
34:11Documents released
34:12under the Freedom
34:13of Information Act
34:14showed the meetings
34:15were held
34:16to discuss
34:17how to quell
34:18public anger
34:18over sewage space.
34:19As the sewage scandal
34:20deepens,
34:21Environment Agency
34:22CEO
34:23Sir James Bevan
34:24has been called
34:25to give evidence
34:25to a parliamentary committee.
34:27Well, we need to talk
34:28about what we say
34:29in public
34:29and the responsibilities
34:31we have.
34:33You have a duty
34:34not to openly
34:36criticise
34:36or discredit
34:37the organisation
34:38in the media
34:40or on social media
34:43or to disclose
34:44confidential information
34:46to anyone
34:47not authorised
34:48to receive it.
34:51If your comments
34:52inside or outside work
34:53impact on the agency's
34:55reputation
34:55by making derogatory
34:57comments
34:57about the organisation
34:58or your managers
35:00or you make comments
35:01that bring the organisation
35:03into disrepute
35:04you may be subject
35:05to disciplinary action
35:08and in more serious cases
35:11dismissal.
35:13Thank you.
35:19Thank you.
35:19Thank you.
35:20Thank you.
35:21Thank you.
35:22Thank you.
35:24Thank you.
35:26Thank you.
35:27Thank you.
35:29I don't think
35:29I want to do this.
35:30You'll be fine.
35:32Leave the toilet?
35:34I'm alright.
35:35I need a bloody toilet.
35:37Do you want a pie?
35:38What does that mean?
35:42Well,
35:44my garden
35:45is
35:46an island
35:47which the windrush
35:49wraps around.
35:52I've watched it closely
35:53for 18 years
35:55and
35:55I watched the water
35:57turn brown.
35:58I led a team
35:59of scientists
36:00using a machine
36:02learning analysis
36:03of two
36:04sewage treatment works
36:05run by
36:06Tentwater.
36:07One of those works
36:09the Environment Agency
36:10said
36:11over 10 years
36:12only two
36:14pollution incidents
36:15have been reported.
36:16Our
36:17machine learning
36:18analysis
36:21showed hundreds
36:23of illegal spills
36:24more than
36:26300 lasted
36:2724 hours
36:29and some
36:30longer than
36:3210 days
36:34and some
36:35for a month.
36:37Have you shown
36:38this evidence
36:38to the Environment Agency?
36:40Well,
36:40yeah,
36:40I've shown the evidence
36:42many times.
36:44What usually happens
36:45is that they
36:46they say
36:48that they show
36:49a sign of interest
36:50but then
36:50nothing happens.
36:54We work
36:55very closely
36:56with Professor Hammond
36:58of Windrush
36:59against sewage
37:00pollution.
37:01We have a
37:02regular
37:03and very
37:03fruitful
37:04dialogue with him.
37:05You worked closely
37:07with Professor Hammond?
37:09He and
37:10Ashley Smith
37:11sent you
37:12at least
37:1213
37:13emails
37:14detailing
37:15evidence
37:15of illegal
37:16sewage dumping.
37:17He published
37:18five evidence
37:19reports
37:20documenting
37:21water company
37:22criminality
37:22all of which
37:23were sent to
37:24you or your
37:25senior colleagues.
37:26They invited
37:27you to come
37:28and look
37:29at the river
37:29in 2019
37:31and the
37:32following year
37:33sent you
37:34an email
37:34with the heading
37:35Environment
37:37Agency
37:37Complicit
37:38in Law
37:39Breaking.
37:45They never
37:45heard back.
37:46You never
37:47once replied
37:48in five
37:49years.
37:51How did you
37:52manage to
37:53work so closely
37:53with Professor
37:54Hammond
37:54when you
37:54never
37:54once
37:55spoke to
37:55him?
37:56At the
37:56Thames Water
37:57Modern
37:58Treatment
37:59Works
37:59there was
38:00a spill
38:01of 240
38:04Olympic
38:05swimming pools
38:06of sewage
38:06in a single
38:07day.
38:08The existing
38:08monitoring
38:09failed to
38:10pick that
38:10up.
38:11Now why
38:12was that?
38:13There will
38:13always be
38:14times when
38:15something happens,
38:17usually
38:18accidentally,
38:19but if we
38:20find that
38:21a water
38:21company has
38:22breached
38:22its permit,
38:24we will
38:25take
38:25appropriate
38:25action.
38:26Does
38:27appropriate
38:27action
38:28include
38:28prosecuting
38:29water
38:29company
38:30executives?
38:30Prosecution
38:31is a very
38:31high bar,
38:32but where
38:35we think
38:35that's
38:36appropriate,
38:37we wouldn't
38:38hesitate.
38:38Did you
38:39prosecute in
38:39this case?
38:40No.
38:42Have you
38:42ever prosecuted
38:43any water
38:44company
38:45executives?
38:45No,
38:46but if
38:47we thought
38:48the evidence
38:49warranted it,
38:50we wouldn't
38:50hesitate.
38:52last year
38:53you told
38:54this committee
38:54that you
38:55became aware
38:55of sewage
38:56dumping in
38:56May 2021?
38:58Yes.
38:59But three
39:00weeks after
39:00that, you
39:01told the
39:01committee that
39:02the water
39:02companies were
39:03improving and
39:04that more of
39:04them were
39:05getting four
39:06out of four
39:07stars.
39:08Why were you
39:09telling the
39:10committee that
39:10the water
39:11companies were
39:11doing a
39:12four-star job?
39:15Well, you've
39:17quoted everything
39:19I said.
39:19I think I
39:20I stand by
39:21everything I
39:22said.
39:23I think
39:24you'll find
39:25them mutually
39:26consistent.
39:28The agency's
39:29job is to
39:30make sure
39:31the water
39:32companies
39:32obey the
39:33criminal law,
39:34but it
39:34doesn't do
39:35it, and the
39:35water companies
39:36do whatever
39:36they want.
39:37The alleged
39:38crimes of
39:39their directors
39:40are never
39:42prosecuted.
39:43They've built
39:44criminality into
39:46their business
39:46models because
39:47pollution is
39:48highly profitable
39:49and repeat
39:50offending has
39:50no consequences.
39:52Therefore, in
39:54the light of the
39:55remarkable absence
39:56of any
39:57counter-corruption
39:58measures, we
39:58demand an
39:59investigation into
40:00the Environment
40:01Agency.
40:04The key test for me
40:06on regulation, less
40:08regulation, is it
40:08something that enables
40:09the builders, not
40:10the blockers?
40:11Cut guidance by
40:1280%.
40:13We've also got to
40:14look at regulation.
40:15Regulations will go.
40:17And where it is
40:17needlessly holding back
40:18the investment.
40:19Reduce the amount and
40:21the burden of regulation.
40:22Rip up the bureaucracy
40:23that blocks investment.
40:25Northumbria and
40:25Water recorded 30.1 spills
40:27per overflow over the
40:28course of 2023.
40:31280,000 hours and
40:34change in total.
40:35The chief executive,
40:37Heidi Mottram, received
40:38a bonus of £234,000
40:41that year.
40:43Why did you take for
40:44all tickets from the
40:46parent company?
40:47Well, I didn't.
40:49OK.
40:50C.K.
40:50Hutchins Holdings
40:51owns 75% of Chung
40:53Kong Infrastructure
40:54Holdings, the owner of
40:55Northumbria and Water.
40:56and you declared
40:57£2,000 in football
40:58tickets and hospitality.
40:59On that occasion,
41:01there was nobody
41:02from a water company
41:03that was involved in
41:04offering those tickets.
41:05There was nobody
41:06from a water company
41:07at that event.
41:08I wouldn't have known
41:09that.
41:10They weren't present.
41:10You should have known
41:11that.
41:11You said that these
41:12sort of people should
41:13potentially be in the
41:14dock if they have been
41:16found to break the rules.
41:17You took £2,000 in
41:19tickets and hospitality
41:20for a football match
41:21from bosses linked to
41:22that company that
41:23polluted that water.
41:24Why should people in
41:25Northumbria think
41:27that you're fit for
41:28your job?
41:28Well, I certainly
41:28wouldn't have known
41:28that and judge me
41:29by what I do.
41:30Why not?
41:30Judge me by what I do.
41:31No, no, that is
41:32what you did.
41:45Environment Minister
41:46Steve Reid is pursuing
41:47legal action against a
41:49group of anglers trying
41:50to restore the ecosystem
41:51of their local river on
41:53the grounds that cleaning
41:55up individual rivers is
41:58administratively unworkable.
41:59Concerns have been
42:00raised about the number
42:01of leading labour figures
42:02with links to lobbying
42:03firms working for water
42:04companies.
42:05Among the invited guests
42:06at the government's
42:07international investment
42:08summit was Macquarie Bank.
42:10Described as the
42:12vampire kangaroo by
42:13critics, Macquarie
42:15presided over the near
42:16collapse of Thames Water,
42:17leaving it £10 billion
42:18in debt after having
42:20illegally dumped
42:21billions of litres
42:22of raw sewage.
42:39Reuben?
42:47I know I can't be left
42:49alone with her.
42:54Privatised water is a
42:56better deal than
42:57nationalised water.
42:59That the water
43:00privatisation, I believe,
43:02will go very successfully
43:03indeed.
43:04That will go very
43:05successfully indeed.
43:07And perhaps therefore we
43:08have better wait and see.
43:09show that we can
43:10contribute into the
43:11light of the fact.
43:13How did it come to this?
43:16How did it happen that
43:19England is the only place
43:22in the whole world
43:24whose water system
43:25is wholly privatised?
43:29That our seas and our
43:31rivers are full of shite?
43:35I just feel like we're
43:37trying to bring down
43:38England's biggest
43:40organised crime
43:42syndicate.
43:43I mean, they're not
43:44the mafia,
43:46these water companies.
43:47They're not a drugs
43:48cartel, but they do
43:49dump sewage
43:51a thousand times
43:52a day.
43:53And almost all of those
43:55are illegal.
43:55and the cash
43:57they've accumulated
44:01£145 billion
44:02since privatisation
44:04and they've got that
44:05because they seem to
44:06have built criminality
44:08into their business
44:09models.
44:11So they are like
44:13an organised crime
44:14syndicate.
44:16And the CEOs
44:17and the owners
44:18are like crime
44:20bosses.
44:21I mean,
44:21they don't murder
44:22people,
44:23obviously.
44:24They're not assassins.
44:28But me and Peter
44:29are sitting here
44:30waiting
44:30for these crime
44:32lords to put
44:33things right.
44:35And
44:37if we leave them
44:38to their own
44:39devices
44:40they never will.
44:43They never will.
44:45We've put the things
44:47that we own
44:48and care about
44:50together.
44:51We've put them
44:52into the hands
44:53of financial
44:53speculators
44:54whose job it is
44:55is just
44:56to make money.
44:58We need to put
44:59the people
45:00who care
45:01in charge.
45:31Thank you so much.
45:40to be.
46:01We'll see you next time.
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