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00:10I had a message on Facebook of this random woman saying do you still use this account she tried
00:17calling me and I was hesitant to answer but she was so persistent and then she'd send a photograph
00:24of myself asking whether this is me so I immediately thinking then why is this woman got a photo of
00:33me
00:33what was her name Abby Draper you don't understand what's just about to happen no I was not oh my
00:44god
00:45that is hamlet go on to Facebook typed her name in and then her picture came up and I was
00:53like holy
00:53fuck she works on my granddad's ward as a nurse I was in the police station for about four or
01:00five
01:01hours their words to me where catfishing is not a crime and then Adele had started using tinder
01:07swipe right and it came up a match I was like oh Matthew consistently asked for explicit nude photos
01:17it wasn't just happening again but it was actually getting worse I instinctively knew this was a big
01:25story there was a Jekyll and Hyde side to Adele Rennie Adele was there Adele was watching me she's not
01:34a
01:34catfish she's just a monster is there anything going to stop this girl
01:40losing her as stronghold
01:46oh
01:49oh
01:52how
01:53how
01:53what
01:53how
01:54how
01:54how
01:54how
01:54how
01:59how
02:00how
02:00how
02:09how
02:14It was like a good year, year and a half
02:17since I'd first reported Adele to the police.
02:19Their words to me were, well, she's not done anything criminal.
02:25But we know that she's stopping people.
02:27She was physically following people.
02:29It's not just behind the computer.
02:32It did make me worry, total anxiety the full time.
02:35We were just sitting ducks and nothing was really happening.
02:38So what's her next move?
02:46A lot of time had passed since Abby Draper contacted the newspaper
02:52and I knew straight away that this was going to be a front page story.
02:57The police had been investigating allegations made by three different women
03:01but as time went by they found many more victims
03:05and the case just continued to get bigger and bigger.
03:11And then one day I get a phone call from the police.
03:17It was like a moment where I was like, finally, like, something's happening.
03:27I remember coming home from school and there was a police car in the front of the house.
03:40Never in a million years could have imagined that I was about to walk into, you know, Adele being arrested
03:46and the two detectives sitting on the couch.
03:55They were searching the whole house.
03:57They took all of our electronics, they took my phone, they took the old laptop
04:02and just anything that Adele would have access to, they took.
04:10They had told us what she was being accused of and it's totally hard to believe
04:16because I'd never have expected for Adele to be in trouble
04:19but especially not for charges like that.
04:41I went to the PlayStation with my dad to collect her.
04:44How did she seem very teary, very teary, very teary.
04:52She was strong.
04:54She denied it?
04:55Oh, yeah.
04:59There was no reason for me to doubt Adele.
05:02I've never, ever seen Adele do anything to hurt anyone.
05:08She was a great big sister.
05:11She was happy.
05:12She had her own house.
05:15She had a job and a good job.
05:18I thought, no, it's got to be a mistake.
05:20It's got to be someone else.
05:37I got a phone call from Camarnock Police Station.
05:40Would I be willing to give a statement?
05:42And they briefly had just told me, like, what had kind of went on.
05:47They did say to me that it looked like I was her favourite
05:50because I'd received, basically, the most gifts.
05:53I thought to myself, hang on a second, I received the most gifts, like, how many was there?
05:59When it reached that point where Adele Rennie had been charged,
06:05I dropped what I was doing.
06:07And I just went straight down to Camarnock Sheriff Court Press Office.
06:12And then they handed over the charges.
06:14And it was pages and pages of jaw-dropping stuff.
06:20This is a copy of the papers that I saw at Camarnock Sheriff Court.
06:24So there are a total of 18 complainers.
06:27There are 27 charges.
06:30Just one offence on its own is shocking.
06:33But to see 27 of them, I had to count through several times
06:37to make sure I had it clear in my head just how many victims there were.
06:41Charges include allegations of stalking, alleged offences committed
06:44under the Communications Act.
06:46She's accused of perverting the course of justice.
06:48In most of the cases, there's a sexual element to them.
06:51Some of the cases, the women have actually participated in sexual activity
06:56and filmed it and sent it.
06:58Yeah, that's quite a charge sheet.
07:01We'll probably never see anything like it again, to be honest.
07:09I've been in the cybersecurity industry for over 20 years.
07:13We open around 2,500 cases a month.
07:16Most don't get to court.
07:18Most don't get investigated.
07:22Last year, the conviction rate for stalkers was 1.7%.
07:28It's a horrendous experience for the victim going to court,
07:32being involved in this process for a very low chance of success.
07:37You know, if your perpetrator doesn't go to prison,
07:41then how safe do you feel?
07:58I wasn't able to go to court, but I had the girls from the 007 chat.
08:03They were my eyes and my ears.
08:05So I remember on that day just being on my phone waiting.
08:12I do remember the first time I saw Adele Rennie in court in person,
08:16immaculately dressed, hair in perfect condition.
08:20She walked into the courtroom supported by her family
08:24and there wasn't a hint in her demeanour that she was facing real jeopardy.
08:31All the victims are made aware that if Adele pleads not guilty,
08:34then anyone involved basically all needs to go to court and give evidence.
08:39How did you feel about the idea that you might have to face her in court?
08:42Didn't really want to do that because you were having to relive it all,
08:45especially in front of people and in front of her.
08:48There was a part of me that thought she's going to want to see me up in court
08:51and she's going to want to watch me suffer.
08:53I have no interest in bringing this back into my life.
08:56I didn't want to stand in a courtroom and tell the story again.
09:00There was just a lot of apprehension.
09:02There was a lot of unknown.
09:03Like, we know the evidence is stacked against you.
09:07Like, why would you want to plead not guilty?
09:12There comes a point where you hear the Crown's narration.
09:17That's a description of the offending,
09:20a more detailed description of offending.
09:22In this case, that narrative was lengthy,
09:26almost impossible to take in.
09:28The scale of it, the breadth and the length
09:32and the complexity of her offending,
09:34and the imagination she had to create one fictional story after another.
09:42Her demeanour changed.
09:45Adele sat with her head bowed.
09:47She must have known that her fate was sealed.
09:51And she agreed to plead guilty to 18 charges.
10:04You'd think that you would be relieved because she's pleading guilty.
10:07However, I'm sitting there knowing fine,
10:09well, she might not get prison time.
10:10I remember saying, like, I really hope she doesn't just get community service.
10:14She's a female.
10:16She looks like a nice person.
10:17Like, she looks friendly.
10:19She could get released there and then.
10:20So I'm still shitting myself.
10:25Later on in the afternoon, I'd got a phone call,
10:27and I just remember having, like, loads and loads of adrenaline.
10:31Like, do you know that way when it's like you feel sick,
10:34like the pit of your stomach?
10:35I answered, not knowing,
10:37am I going to get told something that I want to hear
10:39or am I going to be disappointed?
10:44The sheriff who sentenced Adele Rennie made it absolutely clear
10:49that her offending warrantied a prison sentence,
10:53and a strong one like that.
10:56She was given 22 months.
10:58She was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for 10 years.
11:06And that's when you hear the jangle of the handcuffs,
11:10and then the click when it goes round her wrist.
11:13She wept in the dock.
11:15She wasn't going to be going home with her mum
11:17or her family members that day.
11:19She left the courtroom by another door,
11:22which was going to take her for her first day in a prison cell.
11:33I thought, finally, we've got justice.
11:36And then I found out her sentence would be automatically halved.
11:39So, realistically, our sentence was then 11 months.
11:42What did you think about the sentence?
11:44I don't think it's long enough.
11:46I think she needs to be in prison basically for years.
11:50For everything that she put me through that time,
11:52everything that she put all the other girls through that time
11:54for me was not enough.
11:56It's nothing.
11:57She's ruined people's lives.
12:00It was a horrible feeling to know that she was going to be out that soon.
12:06Because she pled guilty to the charges,
12:09she never got to, like, stand up and be asked, like,
12:12why have you done this?
12:13So all of us are pretty much just left with no answers whatsoever.
12:16What question would you ask her if you could ask her no question?
12:20I just want to go up to her.
12:21Just like, why?
12:23Why are you doing it?
12:24Just tell us why.
12:25Why does she want to be David Graham
12:27or any of the other aliases that she used?
12:29What are you getting from this?
12:30And what's the point?
12:32Why did you start doing all this?
12:33Definitely, I want to know why.
12:34Do you think she knows why?
12:38Yeah.
12:40Yeah, I think she knows why.
12:50When I came out of the courtroom, I was desperate to tell the story.
12:53I thought people need to know this.
12:55The first thing I did was speak to the news desk.
12:57The minute I told them that the guilty plea was there
13:00and that there were 18 charges and 10 victims,
13:03the front page was cleared.
13:06It goes massive.
13:08It's all over the newspapers.
13:10It then getting shared on social media.
13:12It just went viral.
13:14OK, so female nurse jailed for fake male doctor scam.
13:18Rennie admitted 18 charges involving 10 victims of stalking,
13:22causing fear and alarm.
13:23I read the article and then I sent all the other comments
13:27from all the other girls saying, like, me as well.
13:30Like, he spoke to me.
13:31Then I realised just how deep and dark it got with them.
13:35You know, then I sat back and was like,
13:37oh, wow, I got off really lightly.
13:41Adele Rennie's victims included a 17-year-old girl
13:43she met on the dating app Tinder.
13:45The 27-year-old convinced some of them
13:47to send intimate photos of themself
13:49and engage in explicit conversations.
13:52Were you shocked at the sexual offences?
13:54Yeah, I think it was probably even, like,
13:57the amount of sexual offences.
13:58Like, it wasn't just maybe a one or two persons.
14:01It was almost, like, nearly half of the victims
14:03were, like, involved in that type of way.
14:05Anyone that had sent Adele, like, any images of themselves,
14:10she would also use the fact that she had them
14:12to threaten them.
14:16Looking at the court case and Adele Rennie's background,
14:21there's a complex web of motivations
14:24and personality traits and reasons for doing this
14:26that all need to be looked at in combination.
14:29A lot of sex crimes are not really necessarily about sex.
14:33They're more about control.
14:35And enjoying the fact that you are getting them
14:38to engage in something that they're not consenting to
14:40because consent has to be informed.
14:42There is a huge amount of control in that level of deception.
14:48Adele was 100% trying to control me.
14:50It's not about love?
14:52No.
14:52This person's not ever been in love with any of these women.
14:56Never in love with me.
14:57This has all been about control, power.
15:01It was, in my opinion, a sick game.
15:05That's where you really have to look at the person
15:07and think, why do that to someone?
15:09What's your motive?
15:22When was the first time you heard the word catfish?
15:27Probably when this all came out.
15:32How are you feeling?
15:33Quite weepy, actually.
15:39It's just a horrible feeling.
15:41You just can't believe
15:43that your daughter's going into one of the vans
15:46and getting taken off to a prison.
15:48You know, she's in the sex offenders register,
15:52so...
15:53You know, it's just so complex
15:56that it's very hard to make any sense of it.
15:59Was that the hardest bit for you, her being on that register?
16:02Well, it's human nature to judge, I feel,
16:06and I suppose when you hear somebody's on that,
16:08you just think of predators or, you know,
16:12paedophiles or this kind of thing.
16:17I was mortified and ashamed.
16:20I went through every emotion
16:24because it's just no...
16:26The girl we know, it's quite hard to accept.
16:31You don't want to believe that your child's capable
16:35of these kind of things.
16:38Why?
16:39Why would you do this?
16:41And what are you getting out of it?
16:44I did ask her if she was gay
16:46or is there something you need to talk about?
16:48It's absolutely fine.
16:49She said that she's not.
16:51She's not.
16:52It's hard.
16:53I still can't believe it.
16:56But you just think, right, OK,
16:58we just need to get through this next year.
17:15She had been in prison, she'd done something wrong,
17:18and fair enough, we can all make a mistake,
17:21and that's her out, and let's rebuild life.
17:28Her story had been in the papers and on social media.
17:37Obviously, it's a small town,
17:38so people knew what she'd done and who she was,
17:41and quite a scary thing,
17:43because you don't know how people are going to react to that.
17:47Information came our way that she had been released.
17:51We thought, well, that'll be the last that we hear of Adele Rennie.
17:56But within months,
17:58it turned out that she was once again on the radar
18:01of the police and the wider authorities.
18:11And within a matter of weeks of these new allegations coming to light,
18:17she was back behind bars.
18:21Surely not.
18:22Surely you're not going to do it in the same town
18:25three months after you've got out.
18:27I just didn't expect her to ever do it again,
18:29never mind to people that it's going to be really, really obvious,
18:31like, in your own hometown that's going to have heard the story.
18:34Why? What on earth? What is going on?
18:37Never for a minute did I think
18:39that she was going to end up back in again.
18:49So did this feel different than the previous prison sentence?
18:52I think so.
18:54She had quite a lot of support workers
18:56and she got involved in different things in the prison.
19:00You know, she would push herself and get up and keep going.
19:04Get a wee job and put her day in and put some money by.
19:08Just try and make the best of it.
19:10You just thought, you know, that this was a turning point.
19:29We were all sort of back to normal as a family,
19:32spending Christmases together and spending birthdays together.
19:36And, like, it felt like she was back to her old self.
19:41She's got a job.
19:43She's got a nice car.
19:44She's going nice wee holidays.
19:46She went away with her friends in her walking group.
19:48She just said that she felt different
19:50and was so looking forward to the future.
19:54We're on the right track now.
19:56She's definitely turned a corner.
19:59She had built her life back up again to a place where she was happy.
20:10I hadn't heard anything about Adele for a good four years.
20:12Everything's nice and calm.
20:15I started a new chapter in my life.
20:19And now I have two children.
20:21I have my own children's entertainment company now.
20:26Getting on with life.
20:28But there was always that doubt in my mind thinking,
20:31well, is she going to come out and try and do it again?
20:36Sometimes when maybe a profile will add me
20:38or something will attempt to talk to me,
20:40there is sometimes similarities
20:42and I do automatically think it's Adele.
20:45Do you think you started thinking everyone was fake?
20:47Yeah, everybody was fake.
20:48Like, everyone was fake unless I knew you were real.
20:51Like, unless I'd actually met you.
20:53Like, even to this day, like, everyone's fake until you're not.
20:56Have you ever got it wrong before about someone being a fake profile?
20:59Yeah.
21:00There was a girl called Lucy.
21:01Oh, yeah. There was so many.
21:03There was, like, a Lucy, a Rachel,
21:05and these were all profiles that I sent to the police.
21:07But Lucy wasn't fake.
21:09I think she was.
21:10Was she not? Was she real?
21:18I was at home.
21:20I get a message from someone I know from Kilmarnock.
21:23It literally just said,
21:25Who do you think this sounds like?
21:29It was a screenshot from a Facebook group called
21:33Are We Dating The Same Guy?
21:35It was a group set up for women to double check if a man was safe or not.
21:42I join, and then I look for this message, and I'm reading it.
21:47And I'm like, professional job, semi-Italian name.
21:53He was a pharmacist.
21:55He had a fancy car.
21:56He was from Newton Mearns, and he loved a voice note.
21:59And I'm like, Adele, Adele, Adele, Adele.
22:02Like, every single thing.
22:03Adele, Adele, Adele.
22:03I'm aware that not every single catfish in the world is going to be Adele.
22:08But in my little world, every single catfish is Adele.
22:12I just put a comment on the original post.
22:15Just basically say, this story is almost exactly the same as something that I've went through.
22:21It was enough for me to dust off my wee case book and open it up again.
22:26And that's when I posted on Instagram.
22:31We knew there had been an accusation made.
22:36Adele had told me that someone had put an Instagram story up and tagged her in it.
22:43Something along the lines of, everyone's watching, get your popcorn out.
22:49I understood why they would suspect Adele that I was worried.
22:57Because she had told me that if she was to go back to prison, that she wouldn't survive it.
23:09In that week's time, I remember Adele being very stressed and very, very on edge.
23:21I was given a phone number that belonged to Callum Crowler.
23:25And when I phoned it, I was speaking to a guy.
23:30He was saying that they had a girlfriend and blah, blah, blah.
23:35So it's a guy that's maybe having an affair or cheating or something.
23:39Like, it's genuinely a guy that's catfishing.
23:43And I left the phone call thinking, oh, fuck, it's not Adele.
23:47So you've got the wrong catfish?
23:48I've got the wrong cat, I've got the wrong catfish.
23:53The next day, Adele phones me.
23:56I've got the two kids in the back of the car.
23:58My heart is absolutely racing.
24:01I answered it, basically saying, why am I bringing her name up again?
24:05And this isn't her, I've got it all wrong.
24:10I need to stop saying things are her, she can't be the only catfish.
24:14From when I left the restaurant until I got home, it was just adrenaline, adrenaline, adrenaline.
24:19I'm pointing the finger back to myself.
24:22I'm the issue.
24:23I'm the one that needs to let it go.
24:25Am I obsessed with Adele?
24:27Am I trying to ruin her life?
24:33However, there's still a catfish on the loose.
24:39Why not just leave it this time?
24:44I can't sit on that.
24:45Like, I'm not going to sit here.
24:47And then the next thing I'm getting told is, oh, by the way, someone get murdered in their house.
24:51Do you know what I mean?
24:52Like, I don't want to read that.
24:55One of the girls talking to Callum Crowley at that point was being followed.
25:00It was very much in real time.
25:03Callum Crowley had sent a Google Maps picture of where she lives and said,
25:08never have I felt rejection quite like this.
25:11I wasn't even in her situation and I was shitting myself.
25:15He also sent a photo to the victim.
25:21Of some random girl with blonde hair at a gig down in London.
25:26She's like laughing, she's got a drink in her hand.
25:29And because we had this photo of her, I was able to find who that person really was.
25:36I had a message on Facebook of this random woman that messaged me a photograph of myself asking whether this
25:44was me.
25:46I rang and I spoke to her and I asked her, how do you have this photo?
25:52And I asked her if she could confirm if she knew who Callum Crowley was.
25:59Never heard that name in my life, no.
26:01And I asked her, so who took that picture of you?
26:05You need to confirm to me who went to that concert with you.
26:08Because whoever took that picture isn't who they say they are.
26:11So I had a couple of videos on my phone that I sent over to her.
26:21And I pressed play on one video.
26:24Slowly it comes round.
26:33You've got to be fucking kidding me.
26:36This girl's at it again.
26:43It was kind of like that holy shit moment.
26:46Like, I'm not some sort of crazy bitch.
26:49I knew it was Adele.
26:51Did you feel vindicated?
26:54Yeah, like it was genuinely just too good to be true.
26:58And never before have we had evidence like this.
27:02And then within like 24 hours there was a police officer at Adele's house.
27:23When you get that one phone call with news that she's been arrested again.
27:29It's like,
27:30Like,
27:32Chattered.
27:34Disbelief that it's happening all over again.
27:37And,
27:39Anger.
27:42She's
27:46Swore to me
27:48And
27:52Promised and
27:55That she hadn't done anything.
27:58That she was innocent.
27:59After everything.
28:00To know that she had lied.
28:03Again.
28:05Erm.
28:07Like, straight to my face.
28:09Yeah.
28:10Do you have a cut off point where you're like, I've had enough?
28:14This is it.
28:15For sure.
28:16This is...
28:19This has to be it.
28:22This is my breaking point.
28:32A former female nurse who posed as a man online to target women has been convicted for a third time
28:38for similar offences.
28:40Adele Rennie's conduct was described by the sheriff as premeditated deception designed to distress her victim.
28:54Every time this kind of, like, story of Adele comes about, everybody says, like, she must have a mental health
28:59issue. She needs help. That's why she's doing it.
29:05You see all the comments on it.
29:07That woman needs help. Why is she back in jail?
29:10What do you think she needs?
29:11Help. Like, mental help to kind of get to the deeper root of why is she doing this?
29:17It's very hard to understand why somebody engages in this kind of behaviour.
29:22It stems from trauma, a desire for control, personality traits. Like, the reasons behind it are so complex.
29:28And in a situation like this, it is quite likely that it's those very early childhood experiences.
29:33They're one of the major predictors of catfishing.
29:36Because what we think of as normal when we're growing up, what we see in our lives is what we
29:42learn from.
29:43And we have a tendency to bring that into our future lives as adults, which leads to this kind of
29:49behaviour later.
30:05That's her there just as a newborn.
30:10Smiling away there.
30:13Lots of nice family holidays and...
30:17Lots of stuff we all did together and...
30:21I haven't looked at him recently because it does upset me.
30:26Who would have thought, looking at these pictures, how her life was going to turn out?
30:34If somebody said to me ten years ago, this is where we would be,
30:38said, you know, your daughter would be in prison two or three times,
30:42I would never, never have believed it.
30:44As I say, first time, fair enough, we can all make mistakes.
30:47Maybe a second time.
30:49But when it goes beyond that, no, I've had it.
30:52I'm at the end of my tether now.
30:54You told her that?
30:55Definitely.
30:57She was allowed a phone call when she got to the prison.
31:01I was like, well, have you thought about the hurt and distress that you've caused these people?
31:06What does she say to that?
31:07She would just say, you know, I'm trying to get psychological help.
31:12And she did manage to get some support.
31:16And I think, you know, it helped her to begin to understand a lot more of why this was all
31:22happening.
31:26I think she's probably opened up more recently than what she has ever done.
31:31What sort of things has she opened up about?
31:34Unfortunately, my first marriage was quite abusive and it wasn't a pleasant relationship a lot of the time.
31:43He was a good enough dad, but unfortunately, he was a drinker.
31:49So he would go in binges and I would be getting hit and things like that.
31:53And it would be happening when they were in their bed and I just thought they were sleeping.
31:58And I didn't know about it because nothing would be said the next morning.
32:02But she has told me there has been quite a lot, the three children, you know, quite a lot that
32:09they'd heard that I didn't think they had.
32:16He loved the kids dearly, but when alcohol comes depression, although I never thought he would have taken his life.
32:28I hadn't told Adele how he'd passed away, you know, what a horrific thing to hear, even for an adult.
32:34And Adele had only been six, I think.
32:39She'd come in from Sunday school really, really upset.
32:43A child had said to her, your dad hung himself.
32:47This was just two days after it happened.
32:50I did go through a kind of guilt thing that I might have felt through, sorry.
33:02Staying in that relationship has had a profound effect on her and through with what she's done with this,
33:13I kind of thought, is that something that, you know, I could have prevented?
33:18Some people have gone through the same trauma and they've not gone and done what Adele's done.
33:23What would you say to that?
33:25I think everybody's different now.
33:28I mean, I just don't know what somebody's going through and how they're going to react.
33:33And I know it's very hard to understand why anybody would have done all this so many times,
33:41but there's got to be something.
33:48Because of her own upbringing, she may have viewed women as being victims and vulnerable.
33:54And she created these kind of successful men who have a lot of power in society and then only interacted
34:02with women.
34:03And so what she's doing is a coping mechanism, a maladaptive coping mechanism, but a coping mechanism for the trauma
34:10she experienced as a child.
34:39ORGAN CONTINUES
34:42The offender's sentence started on the 15th of November 2023
34:46and they're due to be released automatically on the 13th of January 2025.
34:52Basically, what that means is Adele is coming out today.
34:58Hey! I just thought I'd give you a little voice note.
35:01I've not spoken a wee while, but it was just to let you know
35:04that I got a letter today to say that Adele was coming out of prison.
35:09Hi! I just thought I'd send you a wee voice note.
35:11So I just thought I'd give you a little heads up.
35:13I won't hear anything else unless maybe she re-offends.
35:16I know police are going to check.
35:17And apart from that, we won't hear anything else.
35:19But fingers crossed we don't.
35:21Hope you're OK and I'll speak soon. Bye!
35:24I'm standing here and I know what's going to happen again.
35:27It's just the when next for me.
35:31Hey! It's just to let you know I got a letter to say that...
35:35I don't enjoy this.
35:37And then I think...
35:38Because I think of the amount of time I've spent on this,
35:41and then it takes me back to my granddad.
35:45With the amount of time that I spent trying to trip her up
35:48and trying to get her to the police,
35:50how many hours have I put into this
35:51and I could have spent those hours doing something else?
35:53Like, this is not enjoyable. Like, this is not fun.
35:56Like, is it like a negative obsession?
35:59Maybe I do have, but...
36:03Adele's obsessive, so then I don't want to put myself
36:05in the same bracket as her,
36:06because I'm not anything like her.
36:08And if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have to do this.
36:26Adele's been accused of texting a previous victim.
36:29As part of the release conditions,
36:32she wasn't allowed to approach this person in any way,
36:35and that's why she's back in court today.
36:3950% of people who are jailed for stalking
36:42do it again when they come out.
36:44So a lot of traditional therapy doesn't necessarily work.
36:46You've got to get into the motivations
36:47behind why somebody does that.
36:49And you can see that her compulsion to do this,
36:53you know, she's been in prison,
36:54she comes out and she immediately starts again.
36:56That means the justice system didn't work.
36:58It means that while Adele was punished with prison time,
37:03she hasn't been changed in any way.
37:05It hasn't had the impact on Adele that it needed to have,
37:09and so we aren't any further forward.
37:12The chances are it will repeat.
37:17It's possible that her lawyer might decide
37:21Adele's been in jail several times now,
37:24and it doesn't appear to have changed her behaviour,
37:28so he might argue that if we go down the same road again,
37:32we might end up with the same outcome.
37:34If you keep throwing her in prison,
37:35and she keeps coming out and re-offending,
37:38you know, you're not getting anywhere.
37:56That's a nice picture.
37:57And you climbed the...
37:59Arthur's seat.
38:00Arthur's seat.
38:00With the dogs.
38:02She would have just got them then as well.
38:04Mm-hm.
38:04Well, she'd have had them about three months.
38:08My goodness, that was years ago.
38:13Do you think prison's the right place?
38:15I mean, there's a reason she's doing a prison sentence
38:17she has done wrong.
38:18There needs to be a punishment of some sort, but...
38:24No, I think when it gets to, like, to this point,
38:27that's no probably the answer.
38:31Really, it's something in herself that she needs to work on.
38:35It needs to be her that does the work at the end of the day.
38:42She knows that we still love her,
38:45but there's trust isn't there anymore.
38:49If it was to happen again, that would be it.
38:51She would have to be on her own.
38:53And I just hope we don't have to put it to the test.
38:58You told her that?
38:59I'm going to.
39:01Mm-hm.
39:02Turn left, then your destination will be on the right.
39:06Do you think she understands why she's done it?
39:09I'm not sure.
39:10Ask me.
39:11Ask me later.
39:15What do you think would give people closure at this point?
39:17People are only going to get closure from it when Adele stops.
39:20Prison doesn't give us closure.
39:21It just puts a pause on things.
39:25Do you think she'll ever stop?
39:26I don't think she'll ever stop, no.
39:28Do you feel sorry for her in any way?
39:30No, no.
39:31There's no sympathy.
39:32Not one single bit of sympathy for her.
39:34She obviously must know how badly she's affected women.
39:37And to keep doing it, that's where you start feeling like I can't feel sorry for you anymore.
39:43How after ten years are you still doing it?
39:46All these victims she has ruined people's lives.
39:51Is it a unique experience going through this kind of deception?
39:55Oh yeah, totally a unique experience.
39:57The stigma is how can you fall in love with someone that's online and you've never met them?
40:03And you definitely can.
40:05And when there's people out there like Adele who is manipulating, you fall into traps that she puts for you.
40:12Who can you trust? Absolutely no one after that.
40:16The research on people who engage in pathological lying, which is what's occurring in this case, kind of shows that
40:23a lot of the time they start to believe their own lies.
40:27It's actually kind of at a level of delusion and it can be very hard to treat because people won't
40:33admit to what they're doing, even to themselves often.
40:39How was that? How was your visit today?
40:42It's been a very positive one.
40:46Before it was, I don't know why I'm here, I never done anything wrong.
40:51I felt she just talking to her, she was like a different person.
40:55You know, I'm here and I've just got to accept it.
40:59How are you feeling about it all?
41:02Much better than what I have done.
41:05You know, I think when she does come out, I'm quite sure that she is going to rebuild her life
41:10and be happy and that's all you want, really.
41:16Because you said before that you couldn't die through it again.
41:18Oh, I told her that today.
41:20I said that there's just no way we can go through anymore.
41:25We most definitely need this to be the end.
41:27I mean, as I said to you before, the person that did these crimes is no, the girl that we
41:36all know and love.
41:39No, I think after speaking today, I want to, I believe that, erm, well, she said that she's, she'll never
41:48set back foot in a prison, she'll never be back in a prison once she gets out.
42:06If you were to give Adele a piece of advice right now, what would it be?
42:11Try and turn this into a thing where you're going to make a positive impact on the world instead of
42:16constantly tearing people down, making people feel scared.
42:20She's the same age as me, we're now 35 years old.
42:23She's spent potentially the majority of her adulthood in prison.
42:27In 10 years, like, I've ticked so many, like, amazing things off my bucket list.
42:31Like, I'm, like, where I want to be in life and I feel like if I was to die today,
42:36I'd die happy.
42:37And I just don't think she'd be able to say that.
42:40Why does that make you upset?
42:41I don't know.
42:43I actually don't know why I've got so much fucking empathy for her, but I do.
42:47Cos I just think to myself, like, if that was me, I'd feel so shit.
42:51I don't, I don't even want to feel sorry for her.
42:53Like, it's fucking annoying me that right now I'm crying because of her, but I'm like...
43:00I get sad thinking of the thought of, like, she's not...
43:06She doesn't want to change and it's, and that's sad.
43:10Cos it, because from not changing that just, again, it just affects more and more people.
43:15Do you hope this is the last time you have to talk about it?
43:17Yeah, like, I genuinely do.
43:18Like, I couldn't want anything more from this full thing than just to, like, shut it down.
43:23Do you want to hang up your detective hat?
43:25Yeah.
43:26I think I'll always be called Detective Draper in some sort of way,
43:30cos it is, like, what my friends call me, cos I always find out everything.
43:33But for this case, yeah, I would quite like to say, like, case closed.
43:38Like, there's no one else.
43:54Like, there's no other way.
43:58Like, whereASY is a poet.
43:58Love is quite so, okay.
43:58I know the truth, the rule is High Resident Evil.
43:58I know throughģøėؼcy.
43:58The rule is that, like, you should not understand.
44:00Now, we need to try nothing less...
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