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00:12Melbourne voted the world's most livable city, unless you're a drug dealer.
00:18Then, it was the most deadly.
00:21The gangland war wasn't fought with lawyers or contracts.
00:24It was fought with bullets and betrayal.
00:28And the men pulling the trigger weren't soldiers, they were contractors.
00:33Hit men for hire, paid in cash, paid in pills, paid to make people disappear.
00:40And business was booming.
00:44There are five million stories in the Naked City.
00:47This is one of them.
00:57The murderous gangland war that's being fought on the streets of Melbourne.
01:01Police are already fearing reprisals in the wake of this latest killing.
01:05All it seems revolve around the lucrative amphetamine trade and the millions made from the industry.
01:15This was the thing that started the underworld war, as we know it now.
01:19From that moment on, Carl Williams knew he was in danger, but he also swore that he'd get his revenge.
01:30What we are looking at is a fairly brazen execution style double homicide.
01:36Carl was obsessed.
01:38A gunman fired at least seven shots in the head.
01:41He swore that he'd get his revenge.
01:43Why don't you admit that you murdered my children?
01:46Oh, good.
01:48Murder had now become a commonplace tactic and we didn't have a moment to breathe.
01:55It's the worst series of organised crime killing in Australia's history.
01:59The pressure was on for Victoria Police.
02:01There's been so many murders, a special task force has been set up to catch the killers.
02:06These are the people who are willing to kill their friends, their family for money.
02:10We're dealing with some very dangerous people.
02:13There were plenty of witnesses to the brazen shooting.
02:17The murder, the crime, the war.
02:21This has got to stop.
02:31I think in many ways Melbourne's history has been littered with various underworld wars.
02:38You had Market Gardeners War.
02:40You had the Painters and Dockers War.
02:42Generally speaking, they've been killers of other criminals where the public hasn't really been in danger.
02:48And up till now, they've been the same of this war.
02:52But on Cox Plate Day 2003, the runner and the driver are in South Yarra.
02:58And we thought they were gearing up to commit an armed robbery.
03:02But it was actually a murder they were looking to commit.
03:06Here, go.
03:15Get in, get down. Get down. Nice and down. Safe down.
03:23When they left the scene, the runner calls Carl Williams and says,
03:28Carl, you know that horse you tipped us? It's just been scratched.
03:35We arrested the driver and the runner for the murder of Michael Marshall.
03:41We knew, despite the extensive web of electronic surveillance that we had,
03:47if we were going to get Carl Williams, we needed someone in the witness box.
03:51We either heard, saw or did it themselves.
03:55The driver knew he was in trouble.
03:58And right from that moment, he was looking for a deal.
04:01And we knew then that we had our first crack in the underworld code of silence.
04:12As a matter of policy, you generally don't do deals with murderers.
04:17But one of the first ones who came forward were people acting on behalf of the driver.
04:24And I said, well, if we could have him as a witness,
04:26that would really help us a good deal about the whole ongoing investigation.
04:32And what I felt at that stage was we just needed a breakthrough.
04:45It's the 13th day of November 2003.
04:49The time is now 12.45pm.
04:54We didn't get to where we wanted to get to on the night we had arrested the driver.
04:59He didn't give us the information we needed.
05:02So we needed to get another crack at it.
05:04Just slip this around it.
05:07One of the opportunities we had was to interview him over the murder of Jason Moran and Pasquale Barbaro.
05:13To do that, we had to get him out of custody.
05:16And we did that by applying to the Magistrates Court.
05:18This here jacket is for the media.
05:22OK, if they are there, when then put that over your head, all right?
05:27Yeah.
05:27We knew he would take the opportunity to talk to us in the car on the way back to the
05:32police station
05:33and probably in the car park when we arrived.
05:40So we set up cameras in both the car and the car park to cover that conversation.
06:00Just before we go up, I want to get this straight in my mind.
06:08Are you saying that you were trying to help us when all this happened?
06:12The one I'm charged with now?
06:13Yeah.
06:13Yes.
06:14After he did what he did.
06:15Yeah.
06:17I can tell you other things, too, but I can prove I tried to help you.
06:20Yeah, well, I'll be...
06:22When we're here primarily to talk about Jason said that if you want to tell me these things, then I'll
06:27listen to it.
06:27Well, you can check it.
06:28When we left my head...
06:29In the car park, he talks about five shots going into the victim marshal.
06:35On the van on the way back just before I was arrested, I asked him, did you fucking...
06:40I whispered to him, did you...
06:41And he said, yeah.
06:42And I said, where did you put them?
06:43And he said...
06:44And then you pointed...
06:45You put them all over the victim's head.
06:48And then you guys grabbed me.
06:50And he certainly says at that stage, to try and protect his own reputation and his chances of getting a
06:58deal, that he didn't know it was going to be a murder.
07:01And was this the first time you were aware of it?
07:03Yeah.
07:04You must have heard the shot, surely.
07:06That's...yeah.
07:08But prior to that, were you aware of what was going to happen?
07:11No.
07:11You never spoke about it?
07:13No.
07:14I thought it was always going to be a dead collection.
07:16Of course, that was a lie.
07:19When you were in here last time, you indicated to my senior sergeant, the initials CW.
07:29What was all that about?
07:31Oh...
07:33He was suggesting...
07:39I can't remember what question he asked.
07:42But that person may, uh, know a few things. I'm not sure, but I've suggested to him on the phone,
07:50uh, I may be able to find out things.
07:52That he's talking in riddles.
07:54He wasn't talking in clear sentences, but what he was trying to do is put a hook out for us.
08:00He didn't want to be specific at that stage. He wanted to hold off to see what kind of guarantees
08:06he could get.
08:08No, we said shippers were going where and when and that sort of thing.
08:12I knew we'd be the best person to do that.
08:17You.
08:18But nevertheless, there was some information that we were able to elicit from him quite clearly on that occasion.
08:26For us, that was an important step.
08:30We knew it would find its way to Carl Williams.
08:33Uh, he's going to get it either through one of his associates or he's going to get it through a
08:38corrupt lawyer.
08:38And we took that as an opportunity to use that, uh, to get that information to Carl.
08:45All of a sudden, he knows people are talking.
08:48All of a sudden, he knows he's at risk.
08:50Uh, and that was our leverage and we used it well.
08:54The driver couldn't go back to Carl Williams.
08:57He couldn't go back to that crew.
08:59And over time, he came to realise if he wanted to get a deal, he had to come on board.
09:06Still to come in the Naked City.
09:11You know where to go down?
09:14Follow you.
09:18It was, I thought, the most unusual time.
09:22This gangland war, it just took over the imagination.
09:28These are the people who are willing to kill their friends, their family for money.
09:34Carl Williams said, fasten your seatbelts.
09:37The Williams family were not just infamous, but famous.
09:41Widespread publicity.
09:43We understand that there's been some sort of confrontation inside the premises.
09:47No one deserves to die in this fashion.
09:49Carl moved quickly.
09:50The establishment, we're not going to let this occur without consequences.
10:03By December 2003, Carl Williams wasn't just surviving the gangland war, he was winning it.
10:11The Morans were broken, Mark and Jason were dead.
10:15He started calling himself the Premier because, in his mind, he ran the state.
10:21Williams had a revolving door of hired guns, ready to work for the right price.
10:31Carl was raking in millions through the drug trade, all while playing the family man.
10:36At his daughter's christening, Hilda Crown Casino, he dropped tens of thousands like it was spare change.
10:44Carl Williams wasn't just a criminal anymore.
10:47He was a brand.
10:52Carl Williams, good afternoon.
10:54Good afternoon.
10:55You've been accused of being involved in a $20 million amphetamines ring.
11:00That's just, that's got to go to court yet, so I'd prefer really not-
11:03Yeah, I understand, but you're saying that you never threatened Stuart Bateson's girlfriend.
11:08No, I never ever threatened to kill anybody, no.
11:11Aren't you scared you may get knocked yourself?
11:14No, I don't know. Not really. I've got nothing to- I've got no enemies anywhere, is what I can
11:19know.
11:19Why is that? You must know something that I don't know.
11:21Well, the stuff I know, I think you should get life insurance in a hurry.
11:28We talk predominantly around the runner, the driver and Andrew Veneman as being a hit team for Carl Williams.
11:36But as his stature grew in Melbourne's underworld, we actually had people coming to him offering their services as a
11:44hitman.
11:45And Carl Williams wanted to continue his revenge against the Moran family.
11:51And he believed that if he was going to get to the patriarch, Lewis Moran, then he had to do
11:57something about Graham Kinneborough first.
12:00He was really one of the most respected criminals in Melbourne.
12:08My name's Bernie Rankin. I joined Victoria Police in 1974.
12:13I went to the CID in 1979. I worked at the Major Crime Squad.
12:18Kinneborough was a prolific shoplifter.
12:20On a down day when there was nothing else going on, he'd go to an upmarket women's boutique or a
12:25menswear store and find himself some very nice clothing.
12:29He was also a very, very, very good safe broker, alleged to be a member of the Magnetic Drill Gang.
12:38They did a job, a bank at Mwilembar.
12:42Evidence of the crime was today readily visible inside the bank, where workmen spent most of yesterday breaking into the
12:49strong room to confirm the robbery.
12:51The hole they had made was roughly covered by a large sheet of paper with the safe door standing ajar.
12:58Their method of opening safes was brilliant.
13:01And it was one of the largest burglaries in the history of Australia.
13:06One of the strongest leads remains the connection between the Mwilembar robbery and other safe crackings in New South Wales
13:14and Victoria.
13:15Allegedly, he was up north assisting with that particular criminal enterprise.
13:19And there's no doubt in my mind, Kinneborough was involved in that.
13:23I don't think we ever really got to the bottom of how successful the criminal Kinneborough was.
13:29He specialised in all levels of crime.
13:33So in the weeks leading up to December 2003, we had intelligence to suggest that his life was in danger.
13:42So I went out with one of my colleagues to Graham's house in Kew and he invited us in, was
13:48very polite.
13:49We sat at the table and I said to him,
13:53Graham, we believe your life is at threat by Carl Williams and his crew.
13:58And Graham said to me,
14:01better than cancer getting there.
14:1862-year-old career criminal Graham Allen Kinneborough was shot several times.
14:24It's clear the man has been ambushed and executed.
14:32Graham Kinneborough had been out shopping and was coming home.
14:36And as he pulled up towards his house, two gunmen emerged and shot him dead.
14:45I was called out to Kinneborough's residence.
14:49He'd actually fired a shot in his own defence.
14:52He obviously saw the criminals coming at him and fired one shot before they mowed him down.
15:00The murder getaway car was found torched not all that far away.
15:04It looked like a professional hit.
15:06While police believe it's too early to say who may have been responsible,
15:10there are fears this latest murder may escalate the city's gangland killings.
15:17The murder of Graham Kinneborough for us as police was an escalation in this.
15:22And it certainly was something that brought Mick Gatto into it.
15:30Gatto and Kinneborough had been good friends since Mick was in his teens.
15:35Mick really looked up to Graham Kinneborough and regarded him really as a father figure.
15:43Used to call him Pa.
15:45Now, who actually taught Mick to cut a safe?
15:49I don't know.
15:51But if it wasn't Graham Kinneborough, it would have certainly been someone who was very close to Graham.
15:56Mick grew up around South Melbourne, inner suburbs boy, competent boxer, very well known in the criminal fraternity.
16:05So Mick was one of these individuals that really valued friendships.
16:11He was very, very loyal to Kinneborough.
16:15I would say that Kinneborough would have been Mick's closest friend.
16:20He was deeply impacted by the death of Graham.
16:26So on the day Graham Kinneborough was killed, it was a really significant escalation in the underworld war.
16:33The establishment were not going to let this occur without consequences.
16:39Mick Gatto started making inquiries on who was responsible.
16:48What's cooking, good-looking?
16:50Hey, buddy, what's going, mate?
16:51Any cash in the camp or what? We're all starving here, mate.
16:54No, it's fast, mate.
16:55Broke, mate, broke. Car.
16:58It's so fucking good, mate.
16:59What are you doing, buddy?
17:00These things have got to change, mate. Can't be fucking castle.
17:03I know, mate. What can you do, buddy?
17:06All the rats are making the money and we're fucking starving.
17:09Yeah, I know, buddy.
17:26Not long after Graham's murder, Mick Gatto met with Andrew Veneman and Carl Williams at the Crown Casino.
17:34We had footage of that meeting.
17:37Carl was asked by Mick Gatto, were you responsible?
17:41And he asked that question directly of both Carl and Andrew.
17:44They both denied having anything to do with it.
17:49Mick Gatto believed that Andrew Veneman was responsible for that murder.
17:55We knew he wasn't because we had a listening device in his car and we knew that he was on
18:01the other side of town when that murder was committed.
18:04So we knew it wasn't him.
18:06But there was no convincing Mick Gatto of that.
18:15Hello.
18:16What's doing, buddy?
18:19Hey, what's happened to you?
18:21Oh, mate, just quiet.
18:22You give me the ass.
18:24Mate, don't even say that, mate. You'll offend.
18:27I haven't heard of you for a month.
18:29You know, I swear to you, mate, every bloke I've rang off this phone has been raided.
18:36Oh, fucking I'm used to that, mate. I'm not worried about being raided, I think.
18:40Got nothing to hide.
18:42I've just been quiet, mate.
18:44Yeah, well, you know what they tell me in the dance, we've got a dance buddy, you know?
18:47Yeah, no, I've been meaning to drop in at that joint where you're there.
18:51Mate, I'm there every day, buddy. Every day we're there.
18:54I'll drop in there.
18:55You're welcome any time, mate.
18:57Yeah, buddy. Bye, mate.
19:19On that particular day, Mick Gatto rang Andrew Veneman.
19:23And we know Mick Gatto said to him, Andrew, come and see me.
19:27He went to the restaurant where Mick Gatto was that day.
19:32OK.
19:58So, we understand that these bones are the land of hell.
20:00some sort of confrontation and an altercation inside the premises.
20:05Veneman is the 23rd gangland killing in the past five years.
20:10Gatto was taken into custody shortly after the shooting
20:13and continues to be questioned by detectives
20:15from the Underworld Piranha Task Force.
20:19Mick ran an argument at trial
20:21saying that he'd acted in self-defence,
20:25that Andrew Veneman had pulled a gun on him
20:30and he'd reacted, got the gun off him and shot him dead.
20:36Andrew Veneman, from our point of view, was a dangerous individual.
20:42He was a guy that would do anything.
20:48He would not hesitate to take up a gun and shoot people.
20:54And there was a feeling that if we were in danger
20:57and there were certainly threats made against a number of us,
21:00that Andrew Veneman wouldn't hesitate to take action.
21:04And in some ways, there's some begrudging respect
21:08from the task force for Mick taking that action.
21:13At one stage, we were taking Gatto down the lift
21:18and Mick said,
21:20boys, when it's time to dance,
21:22you've got to get on the dance floor.
21:26The fact that Andrew Veneman died is a bad thing.
21:29It's not the sort of thing we want happening here in Victoria.
21:33We can't exclude the fact that there will be further killings.
21:37We have fears for Mr Williams' safety, yes.
21:39Carl Williams declined the offer to be interviewed
21:42but said that despite police predictions
21:44there would be more underworld slayings,
21:46he wasn't in fear of his life.
21:48Today, he arrived at the scene
21:50but had little to say on the murder of his friend.
21:52You're in the restaurant.
21:53At first, he got into a stranger's car
21:56and ordered him to drive,
21:58then locked himself in a petrol station toilet
22:00rather than face the waiting media.
22:02I've got to ask if someone's been shot.
22:03Is there anything you'd like to say to his family?
22:05Nothing to say to anyone.
22:06I'm waiting for a lift.
22:08After Andrew was killed,
22:10Carl Williams said, fasten your seatbelts.
22:13And a week later, Lewis Moran is dead.
22:24Things were starting to come apart for Carl Williams,
22:27the self-declared premier.
22:29The killing of Graeme Kenneborough
22:32was a fatal misstep.
22:34Old-school criminals don't forget that sort of thing.
22:38Then he lost his enforcer,
22:40Andrew Benji Veneman,
22:43shot by Mick Gatto in a restaurant standoff
22:45that ended with a gun, a struggle,
22:47and one dead hitman.
22:50With Mick Gatto arrested and awaiting trial,
22:53fellow Carlton Crew associate Mario Candelo
22:55was now quietly out for payback.
23:00Still, Carl wasn't done.
23:02He had kill crews on the move and one obsession,
23:05wiping out what was left of the Moran name.
23:11Lewis Moran was, you know,
23:14he was well-known in the racing industry,
23:16he was well-known in the drug trafficking industry.
23:19He was just a guy that was always around the edges
23:23and would make a deal and sell out his friends.
23:26Not a great crook in my view.
23:30Lewis perhaps always knew he was under threat.
23:33He obviously wanted to take revenge on Carl Williams,
23:37but also to protect his own well-being.
23:40But he was not being overly generous
23:42in terms of the right to kill Carl,
23:44so he had some issues
23:46attracting the right person to do the job.
23:51And we warned Lewis he was in danger,
23:54but he was taking virtually no steps to protect himself.
24:01He continued to drink in the same bar,
24:04in the same position in that bar every night.
25:00He continued to drink in the same way.
25:06The 24th victim in Melbourne's gangland war
25:09was claimed in a busy RSL around 6.30 in the evening.
25:13Two men wearing balaclavas brazenly opened fire
25:16while patrons played poker machines nearby.
25:19It was only a week after Andrew Veneman was shot.
25:22Carl moved quickly.
25:23Regardless of anyone's circumstance in life,
25:25no-one deserves to die in this fashion,
25:26and it's quite outrageous that this is happening in Melbourne.
25:30Two murders in a week
25:31brought pressure to Victoria Police
25:33that we'd never experienced before.
25:35And I remember seeing Simon overland that night,
25:39and you could see there was pressure.
25:41We appreciate the gravity of the situation,
25:43and we're certainly continuing to do everything we can
25:45to bring this stupid and senseless killing to an end.
25:49Internally, we knew we were getting somewhere,
25:51but publicly it looked like we were powerless to do anything
25:55about what was occurring almost weekly in Melbourne's underworld.
26:02Three Morans have now been murdered in less than four years.
26:06The killing comes just a day after slain underworld figure Andrew Veneman
26:10was fare well during an open casket service.
26:13Suspected of being responsible for five gangland slayings,
26:16the hitman was shot in the eye
26:18at the La Puccella restaurant last Tuesday.
26:21Carl was desperate to revenge the murder of Andrew Veneman.
26:26Another part of his crew were looking to kill Mario Condello.
26:33Carl believed that Mario was the last remaining threat to him
26:37and his safety from the Carlton crew
26:39and thought he should take him out.
26:53What Carlton and the kill crew believed
26:56is that he walked his dog past the North Road Cemetery every morning,
27:00and that's where they were going to commit the murder.
27:15On the day, we had surveillance on them,
27:19we had a list of advice in the car.
27:21I was in the control room listening to what was going on.
27:26See the cops on the side of the road?
27:29See that?
27:31See that.
27:38They believe they saw him walking along the street.
27:43Is that him?
27:44I'm in.
27:44I'm in.
27:46Was that him?
27:48Was that him back there?
27:50We knew that Mario Condello was safe.
27:52He was in a city apartment.
27:54Who they saw was an unknown other man,
27:58completely innocent,
27:59and they were on their way to kill them.
28:12Gavin Ryan, our inspector, called in the SOG,
28:15and just before they were about to shoot this innocent man,
28:19they were arrested by the SOG.
28:22They were shocked as anyone.
28:28Piranha detectives who were investigating Melbourne's gangland war
28:32bagged evidence, including a gun, at the scene.
28:35The target was a close associate of accused killer and underworld figure Mick Gatto.
28:40This was a build-up of months, years of work, working on Carl Williams and his crew.
28:47We had police from all over the state executing warrants in various locations.
28:54We wanted to bring the whole crew into the police station under arrest.
29:00150 police then raided premises at Baronia, Clifton Hill, Essendon, Noble Park and Wonturner.
29:08Carl Williams was remanded in custody for conspiracy and incitement to murder.
29:13I quickly moved to arrest Roberta Williams, but she was not present.
29:19We went back to police headquarters,
29:21and it wasn't long after that Roberta attended the police station and presented herself.
29:28She was arrested in the foyer of St. Kilda Road and taken up for an interview.
29:38Roberta tried to present herself as an innocent person in front of the media,
29:43but as soon as she got behind closed doors,
29:46I've perhaps never seen her so abusive.
29:52She felt the pressure that was finally coming to bear on her family.
29:59That was the turning point for Carl.
30:02I think he realised at that point he was in for a real legal battle.
30:06He started to realise that he was in a bit of trouble.
30:10But more importantly, that arrest received widespread publicity,
30:18and watching from his prison cell was the driver.
30:23Now, he'd been hanging out to make a much better deal.
30:29And he rang me from his prison cell and said,
30:32I'm ready to make statements now.
30:36Two days later, I was down at Barham Prison with my crew,
30:40taking statements off him,
30:42implicating Carl Williams in the murder of Mark Moran,
30:44Michael Marshall, Jason Moran and Pasquale Barbaro.
30:52Although we had a huge amount of information,
30:55we just needed a witness,
30:57because this was the most important breakthrough
31:00that we'd had in the criminal law in Victoria
31:03for a very, very long time.
31:11By June 2004, the body count had hit 29.
31:17Melbourne's gangland war wasn't just a crime spree.
31:20It was a rolling crisis.
31:22That month, Carl Williams was finally arrested.
31:26He was charged with conspiracy to murder Mario Condello.
31:30The tide was turning.
31:32Behind the scenes, the Piranha Task Force
31:34was building something bigger.
31:36A case linking Williams to the murders of Mark Moran,
31:40Michael Marshall, Jason Moran and Pasquale Barbaro.
31:45But Carl wasn't talking.
31:49Carl, you've remained mute for questions
31:52that clearly appear to be in relation to this matter.
31:55Is it your intention to remain mute
31:57for the remainder of the interview
31:59in relation to any questions asked about this offence?
32:04We knew that if we were going to get Carl Williams,
32:07then we had to get a cooperating witness on board.
32:10We needed someone in the witness box
32:12who either heard, saw, or did it themselves.
32:17We'd had a listening device in the car
32:20which had given us some material.
32:24But I was by no means certain
32:27that we would, in a trial, have enough.
32:31Where were we going to go from here?
32:36So a man like the driver,
32:38you're coming down right to the nitty-gritty
32:40to saying,
32:41what would you prefer to serve?
32:4320 years or 10 years?
32:45There's a bit in it for him.
32:52My name's Betty King
32:54and I ran the trial with Carl Williams.
32:58When people wonder about how deals are done,
33:01how it works is the police do the work on it.
33:04They try and get the person to roll over.
33:08Police will then take that
33:09to the Office of Public Prosecutions,
33:13but they can't guarantee the sentence
33:17because that decision rests entirely with the judge.
33:20The judge is in a position
33:23where they are, by law,
33:24required to give certain discounts.
33:27One for cooperation, two for remorse,
33:31three if the level of cooperation makes a difference.
33:33So you can get a discount
33:35for 5% of what would be a sentence
33:38to up to 50,
33:39depending upon how incredibly important
33:42your information can be.
33:44And the judge determines that.
33:46No-one else.
33:47You don't like making concessions
33:49because they're bad men.
33:51But what I felt at that stage was
33:55we could make things happen
33:57if we made a brave decision.
34:00In just two weeks,
34:02Carl Williams will face serious criminal charges
34:04in the Supreme Court.
34:06Williams stands accused of conspiring
34:08to kill former lawyer Mario Condello
34:10and the murders of Michael Marshall,
34:13drug rival Mark Marley,
34:14Asquale Barbaro and Jason Moran.
34:17Well, this is, again, another example
34:19of significant progress of the task force.
34:24It was heard in the Supreme Court
34:25because the Chief Justice thought
34:27it was important that it be seen there,
34:29but it caused such logistic nightmares
34:32because there was such concern
34:35that he would be the subject of revenge.
34:38He had snipers all around the building.
34:40It was just out of control.
34:45So the first of the trials
34:47was the murder of Michael Marshall.
34:53He was murdered
34:55in front of his five-year-old son.
34:58And it's a big execution.
35:01It's nasty.
35:02It's lots of blood and gore.
35:06We were concerned
35:07had we provided enough evidence,
35:10had we convinced the jury that he was guilty.
35:13We knew he was,
35:14but could we convince the jury?
35:17Without the driver,
35:19they'd have a problem connecting Williams.
35:22Often people in that position
35:24are not very satisfactory witnesses.
35:26And that's always a worry
35:28because how will he be seen by a jury?
35:32He was a nasty piece of work.
35:36Convicted rapist.
35:38But his evidence came across very well.
35:43The driver was able to say,
35:45Williams did it.
35:46He paid us.
35:47And fill in the details.
35:49And he gave evidence for seven days.
35:52And he was consistent.
35:54And the jury accepted his evidence
35:56at the end of it.
35:58When the jury came back
36:00and the foreman said the words guilty,
36:03it was the moment
36:04that we'd all been waiting for.
36:06I'd like to thank the Piranha people
36:08who have worked their guts out
36:10to get the result
36:11that the public deserved.
36:15We knew we'd had success.
36:19That conviction was integral
36:21in terms of bringing other witnesses on board.
36:25And as much as I knew
36:26that the driver would always come on board,
36:29I was equally certain
36:31that the runner would never do so.
36:33He was a career criminal, hated police.
36:36I never suspected
36:37that he would give evidence against Carl.
36:40I was shocked
36:41when he actually wrote
36:42to the Chief Crown Prosecutor
36:44suggesting that he was willing
36:45to do just that.
36:46The reason why
36:48Carl Williams didn't pay him
36:49the money it was meant to.
37:01The Piranha Task Force
37:03finally chalked up its first real win
37:05in the gangland war.
37:08Carl Williams still had a stack of matters
37:10waiting for him in the Supreme Court,
37:12but on the first murder charge,
37:14the jury didn't hesitate.
37:16Guilty.
37:18When the jury came back
37:19and the foreman said the words
37:22guilty, it was the moment
37:24that we'd all been waiting for.
37:27That conviction really helped
37:30the runner come on board as a witness.
37:33As it turns out,
37:34he felt completely abandoned
37:36by Carl Williams.
37:38In lots of ways,
37:39he was paid in little dribs and drabs,
37:41and he lived
37:43a reasonable lifestyle.
37:45Carl put him up
37:46in a service department
37:47in the centre of the city
37:49and gave him spending money
37:51and he lived a great life.
37:52But the reality is
37:54Carl promised
37:54that he would give him
37:56a house
37:57that was under construction
37:59and that was part of the payment
38:01for the murders
38:01he committed
38:02on Carl's behalf.
38:03That never came to fruition.
38:06Carl never did that.
38:07Carl Williams
38:08dutted him on the deal
38:10to kill Michael Marshall.
38:11And for the runner,
38:13that was a final insult.
38:14And he saw
38:16the driver getting
38:17a great deal.
38:18He wanted some of that.
38:19His loyalty
38:20to Carl
38:21was gone.
38:23The dominoes
38:25were falling.
38:26One by one,
38:27the very gunman
38:27Carl had hired
38:28to eliminate his enemies
38:30and clean up his problems
38:31were now lining up
38:33to talk.
38:34The underworld's
38:35sacred coat of silence
38:36shattered.
38:38And there were
38:38a whole lot of people
38:39obviously talking
38:41to the police.
38:43It wasn't whether
38:44he was going to be
38:44convicted of
38:45one or two
38:46or three
38:47or whatever it was
38:48extra murders.
38:49If he was convicted
38:50of one other murder
38:51he was life
38:52with no possibility
38:53of release.
38:58Security was tight
38:59as Carl Williams
39:00arrived this morning
39:01at the magistrate's court.
39:04The final chapter
39:05came when
39:07I'd been in court
39:08listening to another
39:09application
39:10to adjourn this off
39:11because there were
39:12so many delaying
39:13tactics that were used
39:14and I had refused it
39:16and said,
39:16no,
39:17we are starting,
39:18we are impanelling
39:19a jury tomorrow.
39:23And then about
39:24three o'clock
39:25my associate
39:26got a call
39:26to say that
39:28Williams was
39:29willing to plead guilty
39:32and I said,
39:33fine,
39:33let's do it now.
39:36So my associate
39:37rang
39:39the cells
39:40and said,
39:41let's bring
39:42Williams up
39:43and they said,
39:44oh,
39:44we've sent him
39:45back to Barwon
39:48and apart
39:48from being
39:49totally gobsmacked
39:50that he had
39:51been sent
39:52back to Barwon
39:53I said,
39:53well,
39:54just tell them
39:55to bring him back.
39:56So about
39:57ten minutes later
39:58my associate
39:58comes in
39:59and says,
39:59oh,
40:00they said
40:00they can't,
40:01he's on the freeway
40:02down to Barwon
40:03and they can't
40:04turn the van around
40:06and I just said,
40:07tell them
40:08if they don't
40:08turn the van around
40:10they can do
40:11his time instead
40:12because I'll deal
40:13with them
40:13for contempt.
40:15Just tell them
40:16to do a U-turn
40:17and bring him
40:17right back
40:18right now.
40:20So
40:21at about
40:23half past four
40:24he arrived
40:24around about
40:25five o'clock
40:26we arraigned him
40:27and he pleaded guilty.
40:29Today,
40:30Carl Williams
40:30was still
40:31the smiling assassin
40:32as he sat
40:32in the Supreme Court
40:33dock and learned
40:34of his fate,
40:35life in prison
40:36with a 35-year minimum.
40:38He'd loosened
40:38his tongue
40:39and admitted
40:39to the offences
40:40to get that
40:41all-important
40:41parole date.
40:42His mother
40:43started her tirade
40:44inside the packed court
40:45soon after
40:46her son was sentenced.
40:47Betty King's
40:48a piranha puppet
40:49who doesn't deserve
40:50to wear her wig
40:51and her gown.
40:52She's never
40:53give Carl a go
40:53from the start.
40:54She doesn't believe
40:55what he says.
40:56She believes
40:57what everybody else says.
40:59She's not God.
41:04At the conclusion
41:05of my sentence,
41:08when I'd just
41:09given him life
41:10with a minimum
41:11with a minimum
41:11of 35 years,
41:13he stood up
41:14and he said,
41:14I'd like to make
41:15a statement.
41:17Now,
41:17this isn't television.
41:19This isn't America.
41:22So,
41:22it was never
41:23going to happen.
41:25So,
41:25I just said,
41:26remove the prisoner.
41:27And they did.
41:29And I think
41:30he yelled out,
41:31ah,
41:31get fucked.
41:32Something,
41:32you know,
41:33wonderfully
41:35expressive.
41:36And he went
41:37back down
41:38to Barwon.
41:41The sentence
41:42has given
41:42Williams the
41:43dubious honour
41:44of having
41:44the equal
41:45highest term
41:45among the
41:46state's
41:46prisoners
41:47who are
41:47eligible for
41:48parole.
41:52He'll be
41:53eligible in
41:53the year
41:542042
41:55when he's
41:5671.
41:58Carl Williams
42:00was
42:00underestimated.
42:02I believe
42:03he snuck
42:03under people's
42:04radar
42:05because of
42:05his persona.
42:06But there
42:07was no doubt
42:08Carl Williams
42:09was dangerous.
42:10And he was
42:10willing
42:11to go through
42:12and act
42:13with violence
42:13and take
42:14out his
42:14competitors.
42:20You know,
42:21the first
42:22murder of
42:22Mark Moran,
42:24yes,
42:25it was
42:26at that
42:27point
42:27another
42:28murder
42:28in a
42:29long
42:29line of
42:30murders.
42:33But,
42:34you know,
42:34when I
42:35think about
42:35the murder
42:36of Jason
42:36Moran
42:37in front
42:37of all
42:37those
42:38kids
42:39and talking
42:40to those
42:41children
42:41and the
42:41parents of
42:42those
42:42children
42:42in the
42:43back
42:43of the
42:43van
42:44has left
42:45an impact
42:46on me.
42:46You know,
42:47I don't think
42:47that's something
42:48that I'll ever
42:48forget.
42:50And when
42:50Michael Marshall
42:52was killed
42:52in front
42:53of his
42:54five-year-old
42:54child
42:55and speaking
42:56to that
42:56child
42:57afterwards,
42:57that really
42:58sticks in
42:59my memory.
43:00And I think,
43:01you know,
43:01it does leave
43:02a lasting
43:03legacy.
43:04You know,
43:05these will be
43:05things that I'll
43:06remember clearly
43:07for the rest
43:07of my life.
43:10But there's
43:11been things
43:12that have
43:12had huge
43:13impact
43:14not only
43:15on me
43:15but on
43:15my colleagues.
43:17And there's
43:18many members
43:19of Prana
43:20who would
43:21sit here
43:21equally
43:22and say
43:22that the
43:23things that
43:24happened
43:25and the
43:26murders
43:26and the
43:27experiences
43:27we had
43:28during that
43:28period
43:30have left
43:31a lasting
43:31legacy
43:32on them
43:33and,
43:34you know,
43:34for their
43:34families.
43:44it was,
43:45I thought,
43:46the most
43:46unusual
43:47time.
43:49Just took
43:50over the
43:51imagination
43:55and then
43:56the media
43:56sold it
43:57to the
43:57public
43:57and it
43:58was just
43:58the story.
44:01the Williams
44:02family were
44:03famous,
44:04not just
44:05infamous but
44:06famous,
44:06like celebrities.
44:07Media treated
44:08them like
44:09celebrities.
44:10But a lot of
44:11these people are
44:12bought up with no
44:13morality in that
44:14this is the milieu
44:15in which their
44:16families lived
44:17and they just
44:18move into it
44:20and they just
44:21all cheated
44:21each other.
44:23Carl didn't pay
44:24anyone properly
44:25for the hits
44:26he got them
44:26to do.
44:27Now,
44:28unsurprisingly,
44:29they rolled
44:30on him in the
44:30end.
44:31But it's not
44:32a world in
44:33which loyalty
44:35or fairness
44:36lives.
44:37It's a
44:39crooked world
44:40where they
44:40jiff each other
44:41out of minor
44:43stuff.
44:43I don't think
44:44they made nearly
44:45as much money.
44:46I don't think
44:46they had any
44:47real fun.
44:49The girls
44:49were far from
44:50pretty.
44:50And I don't
44:52think it was
44:52sex, drugs,
44:52rock and roll.
44:53Because this
44:54was only ever
44:55about money.
44:56And who
44:57controlled the
44:58pill market?
45:04Next time
45:05in the Naked
45:06City.
45:07Bowen Prison
45:08goes into
45:09lockdown.
45:10Police remain
45:10on edge,
45:11fearing there
45:12may be more
45:12chapters in
45:13the Underworld
45:13script to
45:14come.
45:14If Carl
45:15Williams is
45:15talking,
45:16what danger
45:17does he
45:18pose?
45:18for me.
45:19It's very
45:19difficult to
45:20trust someone
45:20like Carl
45:21Williams.
45:21And there's
45:22no doubt
45:22those concerned
45:23people on
45:24the outside
45:24had conversations
45:26with people
45:27on the inside.
45:28Some of
45:29these people,
45:30they give
45:30the vibe
45:31of evil
45:32instantly.
45:33He was
45:34dangerous.
45:35He had a
45:35look of
45:36malevolence
45:36that I've
45:37not seen
45:38before or
45:39since.
45:39I always
45:40felt as if
45:41he was trying
45:41to get into
45:41my head.
45:43You would
45:43start with
45:44armed robbery
45:44and very easily
45:45progress to
45:46becoming a
45:46career hitman.
45:48Nobody
45:49frightened me
45:49in a
45:50courtroom
45:51until he
45:52did.
45:53Pillows had
45:54been placed
45:54over their
45:55heads to
45:55muffle the
45:56shots from
45:57a heavy
45:57calibre
45:57handgun.
45:58They'd
45:58both been
45:59executed.
46:00It was
46:00devastating.
46:02We're talking
46:02about armed
46:03offenders.
46:04It's a
46:04highly risky
46:05business.
46:05It does
46:06seem to be a
46:06training ground
46:07that you would
46:07start with
46:08armed robbery
46:08and easily
46:09progress to
46:10murder.
46:10When do we
46:11know that
46:12we'd be able
46:13to pull
46:13something off
46:14like that?
46:15When we
46:15think of
46:16him, they're
46:16violent, they're
46:17psychopathic.
46:19They're the
46:19lowest form of
46:20humanity there
46:21is.
46:25They're the
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