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00:00Hello and welcome to another episode of Catching Up with the Royals with me, Emily Andrews.
00:05And me, Richard Coles. This is the podcast that takes you beyond the headlines and lifts the lid on what
00:11life is really like behind palace walls.
00:14Although at one time did have to buy him a drink. He didn't buy me a drink.
00:17Hey, hey, hey, hey, more on that please.
00:19This week we'll be pulling back the proverbial curtain on the inner workings of the so-called firm,
00:25arguably one of the most lucrative companies in the world, from which royal earns the most.
00:30The king.
00:31He is the first billionaire monarch.
00:33Doesn't hurt if you are exempt from inheritance tax.
00:36Two, the act of quitting the family business.
00:39What does the world owe you if all of a sudden you've handed back your crown?
00:42We'll be uncovering exactly how the House of Windsor is run and makes its money.
00:52Well, here we all are again, catching up with the royals.
00:56Now, Prince Philip famously referred to it not as a family, but a firm.
01:02Do you think that was apt?
01:05I think so. I think for two reasons, really.
01:08One, the monarch is like the CEO, the chief executive, and effectively runs everything.
01:15He or she, any person within the firm, be they working royal, member of the family or courtier, answers to
01:22the monarch.
01:23And actually, I think it's apt that Philip coined it because he was the arch moderniser.
01:27He was a real moderniser in the royal family of the 20th century.
01:32And I think that what's interesting about the firm is that they are, in some respects,
01:39I mean, we're in the age of influencer, aren't we?
01:41But aren't they the ultimate influencer?
01:43Aren't they the ultimate brand?
01:45So it's really important to make a distinction between royals, which we talk about, obviously, catching up with the royals.
01:51That's all of them.
01:52That's all of them. They're all welcome here.
01:53Princess Michael of Kent.
01:55Yes, Zara Tindall.
01:56She is a royal.
01:57But the working royals are funded by the Sovereign Grant.
02:00Now, the monarch is funded in three ways.
02:02He or she has their own private inherited income.
02:06Not, they don't have to pay income tax.
02:08So because of that, I think Charles is the first billionaire British monarch ever,
02:12because he didn't have to pay inheritance tax on his mother's inheritance.
02:16So they're funded by personal wealth, the Duchy of Lancaster and the Sovereign Grant.
02:21The heir to the throne, the Prince of Wales, is funded by the Duchy of Cornwall.
02:24Hang on, Duchy of Cornwall, Duchy of Lancaster, what are those?
02:27Yes, those are two separate duchies.
02:29So the monarch is also the Duke of Lancaster.
02:32Queen Elizabeth was the Duke of Lancaster.
02:34And they're separate duchies.
02:36They are huge land-owning entities.
02:41Now, the Sovereign Grant is a percentage of the Crown Estate.
02:45So the Sovereign Grant is paid to the monarch that funds all the work of the royal family.
02:49So the Crown Estate are those holdings that belong not to the individual, the king, Charles,
02:54but to the crown.
02:55Absolutely.
02:55And the king and his successors.
02:57Absolutely.
02:58And a percentage of the profits goes to pay for all the working royals and their travel,
03:05the job that they do, basically, for Britain, PLC.
03:08I've got two other words for you.
03:10Corporation tax?
03:12I don't know whether the Crown Estate pays corporation tax.
03:15That's a really good question.
03:18If you start from the notion that actually anything held by the Crown is exempt from taxation,
03:23because it's HMRC, isn't it?
03:25It's the Crown that does the taxing.
03:28Exactly.
03:28So the Crown taxing itself does sort of have to be by its own volition,
03:32because that's how it works, right?
03:35Yeah.
03:35Everything else that they do, even when they're going, say, they're visiting India
03:39or they're visiting the US, then that's paid for by us via the Sovereign Grant.
03:43Now, the working royals are the king, the queen.
03:46Come on, Richard.
03:47Who else?
03:48The Prince of Princess Wales.
03:49Yes.
03:51The Princess Royal.
03:52Yes.
03:53The Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh.
03:55Well done, Sophie and Edward.
03:56Edward, there's three more.
04:00Princess Alexandra.
04:02The Duke of Kent.
04:04Yes.
04:04I can't, I've run out of royals.
04:06And the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester.
04:07Of course, yeah.
04:08And then, of course, for the Prince of Wales,
04:10the heir to the throne is funded by the Duchy of Cornwall.
04:14All those biscuits.
04:14All those biscuits, yeah.
04:16Actually, fun fact, you're absolutely right to say about Dutch originals,
04:20but that was set up by Charles as Prince of Wales,
04:24but now it's wholly owned by Waitrose.
04:27Oh, really?
04:27Yeah.
04:28But the brand and the association endures?
04:30The brand and the association endures.
04:32It was set up in partnership, I think, between Charles and Waitrose,
04:37and then any profits from the range were given to the Prince's Trust.
04:42Oh, I see.
04:43So it's actually, it's profits going to charity.
04:45Yeah.
04:46Profits still go to charity, even though it's now owned by Waitrose.
04:48We're talking about kind of large sums of money here,
04:50but I just want to say on the sovereign grant,
04:52before people think that that's actually kind of tax
04:55that could otherwise, you know, be spent on hospitals, schools and roads,
04:58which indeed it could be,
04:59but actually the sovereign grant comes out of the income of the Crown Estates, right?
05:03So that's holdings that belong not to Charles, but to the monarchy,
05:09and the sovereign grant is a percentage of the profits from that.
05:13That's absolutely right.
05:14Right.
05:14And that was an arrangement that goes back historically.
05:17I know they tinkered with it from time to time.
05:19Yeah.
05:19So George Osborne, when he was Chancellor back in, I think, like 2011, 2012,
05:24it used to be the civil list.
05:26So effectively, the UK government would dollop a whole load of cash
05:29to the keeper of the privy purse,
05:31who is like the chief accountant at Monarchy HQ.
05:34Funnily, the principals, the royal family, call Buckingham Palace Monarchy HQ.
05:38They do call it Monarchy HQ.
05:40So the government used to, the UK government used to give a whole load of cash,
05:44to the keeper of the privy purse, which would fund all their work.
05:49And then under the Cameron coalition government between the Tories and the Lib Dems,
05:55George Osborne was Chancellor, and he actually did the royals a real favour,
05:59because he said that a percentage of the Crown Estate,
06:04which as you've absolutely said, is held, it's kind of like it's Crown lands,
06:08but all the money goes to the UK taxpayer,
06:11and now a percentage goes to the royals to fund their work.
06:15So you could say, in a sense, that there's sort of self-funding.
06:18If you were looking to...
06:19Oh, no.
06:20No, I don't think you can say that.
06:22Quite the opposite.
06:23Well, I'm just saying if you were looking as a way...
06:25And what I'm saying is it's a highly political debate,
06:27and indeed a politicised debate.
06:29And some people would argue that you do get value for money from the royal family,
06:33some would say, or the monarchy, and some would say you don't.
06:36And that's a very polarised view,
06:37and I'm just trying to figure out what the arguments are on either side of that.
06:41I think how they're funded and whether they provide good value for money,
06:45in my opinion, are two slightly different debates.
06:48The other complications, of course, is how much of this is because
06:51it's not unreasonable to pay people to do a job?
06:54In other words, how much of this is in return for services rendered?
06:56Which is if you're head of a state,
06:58it involves things like palaces and security and that kind of thing.
07:01Or how much of this is people just getting an easy ride from the Treasury and HMRC,
07:05not paying inheritance tax, for example, if you're the sovereign?
07:08Well, I think are they worth it?
07:11Are they value for money?
07:13Depends on who you ask.
07:15And I think it often depends on your view of politics.
07:19I think it probably depends on your age.
07:22We tend to be more supportive of monarchy, I think, as we get older.
07:24Other, certainly younger people, all the popularity polls are that, you know,
07:29people don't support the monarchy as much when they're young.
07:31God save the Queen!
07:33I wish the King now had it.
07:34Say aye.
07:36It's really bloody complicated.
07:37It's really complicated.
07:37And that's one of the reasons why it works for them is they don't make it,
07:41it's not transparent.
07:42It's not transparent.
07:43They want it to be complicated and they want so that they,
07:46we don't delve too much into how much money they really do have.
07:50I've got a quiz for you before we go.
07:52Richard, how many official roles working for the family have been related to the lavatory?
08:00Oh my word.
08:02I know, bring the tone down, aren't I?
08:03I'm going to have to think about that.
08:05Back with you soon.
08:10Welcome back to Catching Up With The Royals.
08:12Before the break, I asked you how many official roles working for the royal family have involved lavatories?
08:19Wait for it.
08:21And the answer is two.
08:23Number two.
08:24Oh, Richard!
08:26You have to bring the tone down, but I love it.
08:28I love it.
08:29Of course it had to be a number two.
08:31Yes, and that is relevant.
08:32Okay, so the two roles are, if you hadn't worked out already,
08:36groom of the stool and keeper of the royal bedchamber stools.
08:41Now, Richard, do you know what the groom of the stool had to do?
08:45Well, I was hoping it was someone who had to do with seating arrangements,
08:48but I guess we're on a different stool here, aren't we?
08:50I think it's a different stool.
08:51I'm going to leave it for you to explain.
08:53Okay, so the groom of the stool would literally be there to wipe the monarch's derriere.
08:59They would be there to wipe the monarch's bottom, should he or she choose.
09:03And I think also, in all seriousness, it was an important job,
09:06because you also, it was to do with the health of the monarch,
09:08so you had to inspect the stool and make sure that it all looked appropriate
09:12and that they didn't have an upset tummy and they weren't ill.
09:14But whoever held that job was actually a very, very important courtier
09:20because he or she would be incredibly close to the monarch
09:24and was party to all their private thoughts in a very intimate environment.
09:28So in the days of, say, a Tudor monarchy, for example,
09:31where the monarch was the sun, the moon and everything,
09:34if you had the ear of Henry VIII as well as the bottom of Henry VIII,
09:39you had a very, very direct route to power.
09:42Yeah, definitely.
09:43And also, I think there's something, isn't there, to be said.
09:45You know, I don't want to speak for you, Richard,
09:47but when you're literally naked or partially clothed,
09:50you are quite vulnerable, aren't you?
09:52And I think there has to be a sense of real intimacy between someone
09:56who is helping you in that, you know, not that I've ever had this.
10:01You know, it's quite a vulnerable thing.
10:03Yeah.
10:03But also the fact that the health of the monarch was so closely related
10:08to the health of the nation.
10:09Yeah.
10:09So if the monarch's poo's looking a bit off,
10:12that might affect the value of the pound.
10:14Yeah, totally.
10:15Yeah, because the monarch needed to live because he or she,
10:19and it's the same now, you see it with people around the court,
10:23you know, of the monarch and the air in waiting,
10:27everyone's kind of thinking, how long have they got?
10:29Because if they go, my position goes too.
10:32Which is why the second role,
10:35keeper of the royal bedchamber stools was also important,
10:37because that role involved making,
10:40putting out all the chamber pots for high ranking and official guests.
10:44And if you think, again, going back to kind of medieval Tudor times,
10:46when obviously there was letter writing,
10:50a huge amount of letter writing,
10:51but the real way that diplomacy, well, still like now,
10:55was affected was through face-to-face.
10:58It's access.
10:59Access.
10:59Yeah.
11:00Mind you, a bittersweet feeling to be told.
11:03The good news is you've been appointed to a very senior position at court.
11:06The bad news is bring your mittens.
11:09Yeah, I know.
11:10But there are other ones, aren't there?
11:12It's so interesting that there's another job,
11:15the page of the back stairs.
11:17Billy Backstairs Billy.
11:19Yes, Backstairs Billy.
11:20Now, the page of the back stairs,
11:21it sounds like you would rather be page of the main stairs,
11:25but the back stairs was where a lot of the unofficial business was transacted.
11:29So the back stairs where people could get in and out, up and down,
11:33in and out of the sovereign or the prince's chamber
11:35without being seen, without being on public display.
11:39So that's quite significant.
11:40I remember visiting a stately home,
11:42and there was a suite that was reserved for the heir to the title,
11:45and that had a separate entrance which went to a side door.
11:49So the heir to the title could conduct his, invariably in that case,
11:54his business without it being confused with the official business of the house.
11:59Do you see what I mean?
11:59Yeah.
12:00It's interesting, isn't it?
12:00It's very clever.
12:01Yeah.
12:01And then, of course, there's always the kind of,
12:03there's roles like the royal shoe wearer.
12:06I mean, and that sort of, that, I don't know whether that happens with King Charles,
12:09but that certainly happened with the late queen, Queen Elizabeth.
12:13Angela Kelly, otherwise known as AK-47,
12:17because she was, and she still is pretty formidable, although she's retired now.
12:20She was the late queen's dresser for many, many years.
12:23A very impressive liver puddle in.
12:25And she had the same size shoe as the queen, the same size foot, sorry, as the queen,
12:30and she would wear in her shoes.
12:33Well, that makes sense, because if you're the queen and you're on your feet all day,
12:35you could be literally put out of business if you've got a blister,
12:40or if you, you know, you need that, that's an indispensable service.
12:45Absolutely.
12:45If you're the queen and you're, or the king,
12:48and your time is minuted to the second to the minute,
12:51and they do, their schedules are 7.43, 8.22.
12:55You know, if your shoes are rubbing and you're in pain, that's no good for anyone.
12:59I'm fascinated by Angela Kelly to have had that degree of access,
13:03and also that degree of intimacy, and clearly, is affection the right word?
13:07I'm not sure if you...
13:08Yes, I think so.
13:09It's such an interesting role, isn't it?
13:11And also, how interesting that she's described as a weapon by her nickname at court.
13:16Yes, AK-47.
13:17Well, the story goes that while she was still working for the late queen,
13:23she was allowed to publish two books, the first of which was a book about royal dresses.
13:32And then I think the then Prince of Wales, Prince Charles,
13:35was very worried about what she might publish after the queen died,
13:40because she literally had access to all the secrets.
13:43She used to watch television with the late queen.
13:45She was her confidant.
13:46She would know who the queen voted for on Strictly.
13:48Yes, she would know.
13:49I bet she'd say you.
13:51I'm certain she wouldn't.
13:53But she would know.
13:54She would know who, if the queen put a bet, which horse she'd been betting on.
13:57She would know who, what the queen thought about Meghan.
14:02So...
14:02Also intimacy, knickers and bras and all that stuff.
14:05Yes, all of that kind of thing.
14:07When the queen was unwell, Angela would go and personally care for her.
14:11She did her hair.
14:12She helped her with her make-up.
14:14And so when a monarch dies, everybody around the monarch,
14:19grooming the stall or not, is out on there.
14:21Exactly.
14:22It's out on there.
14:22So Charles made sure he gave her a nice house.
14:26I mean, there's a story that backstairs Billy,
14:28who was so loyal to the queen mother and keeper of all the secrets,
14:31knew where all the bodies were buried.
14:33Once the queen mother died,
14:34he was booted out to a flat in Kennington, I think.
14:36I'm sure that's true.
14:39Allegedly.
14:40Allegedly.
14:40Well, he's dead now, isn't he?
14:42But, I mean, he knew a lot.
14:45That can make you very powerful.
14:47Yes, knowledge is power.
14:49Yeah.
14:49So I think it's interesting that now, of course, we don't have...
14:53You know, famously, when Queen Camilla became queen
14:56and was crowned a couple of years ago,
14:58she let it be known that she wouldn't have ladies-in-waiting.
15:01She now has companions and Kay Middy, our friend,
15:05Kay Middy, the Princess of Wales, everybody.
15:07Her Royal Highness.
15:08Don't clutch your pearls too much.
15:09Her Royal Highness Catherine, the Princess of Wales.
15:11She doesn't have ladies-in-waiting either.
15:13Yeah, interesting.
15:14The other thing, of course, is if you've got all these people,
15:17like, wearing in your shoes or looking at your stools or whatever,
15:20that's payroll, isn't it?
15:22Payroll.
15:22How rich do you need to be?
15:24I mean, we've talked about...
15:25So the Sovereign Grant covers some of this,
15:27but what about the personal wealth of the Senior Royals of Sovereign?
15:30Let me look at my list.
15:31Let me look at my list.
15:32I'm glad you asked me that.
15:33So the royal rich list, who do you think tops it?
15:36The king.
15:37Of course.
15:38He is the first billionaire monarch.
15:40Now, that's partly because of that awful word, inflation.
15:43It's also partly through very savvy investments
15:46throughout the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.
15:49And also, I think it's partly thanks to Prince Philip
15:52because Philip and Charles started treating the royal estates,
15:57their personal income, their personal lands, as businesses, the firm.
16:03And so then they started charging market rent.
16:06It wasn't just a feudal, oh, I'll just let you live in this house
16:08if you mow my field for me.
16:11They professionalised it.
16:12They professionalised it.
16:13They absolutely, they professionalised the business of being a monarch.
16:16And so Charles is estimated at 1.8 billion.
16:20Can I just add to this?
16:21It doesn't hurt if you are exempt from inheritance tax.
16:25I was just about to give you that.
16:26Richard, we need to talk about inheritance tax.
16:28I think we do need to talk about inheritance tax.
16:30Very quickly, I'm going to run through the rest.
16:31But then we need to explain to everybody about the inheritance tax issue.
16:35So Prince William, as the heir to the throne, Duchy of Cornwall,
16:37he's estimated at 90 million.
16:39Princess Anne, I didn't know this.
16:40Her personal fortune is approximately 50 million.
16:44That's largely through inherited estates and wealth and investments.
16:48And then Prince Harry and Meghan.
16:49Again, we don't know how much really they're worth
16:51because we don't know what any of them are worth.
16:53But Harry and Meghan combined private net worth
16:56is commonly estimated around 47 million pounds.
17:00But the monarch doesn't have to pay inheritance tax.
17:04This is a very significant perk, isn't it?
17:06Because it's 40% or something, isn't it, inheritance tax on most people.
17:10I know I was inherited a little money from my mother
17:13and a chunk of that went to the tax ban.
17:15And if that hadn't gone to the tax ban, I would be wearing a tiara right now.
17:21Well, I wouldn't, but you know what I mean.
17:23I do.
17:24I mean, is it fair?
17:24I would say, I suppose the problem is,
17:27is that if the monarch was subject to inheritance tax,
17:30then would they go bankrupt?
17:31Well, I know, because there's a sort of,
17:34they use a language which sounds like an exception,
17:36which is sovereign to sovereign, right?
17:37So it's only the succeeding sovereign who enjoys that benefit.
17:43The other thing that's striking about this is that
17:45you do get this right, they do pay a certain amount of tax,
17:48but they seem to decide themselves.
17:50I would very much like to speak to HMRC and say,
17:52I've decided to pay you this amount of tax this year.
17:55Okay, with you, thank you very much, bye.
17:57It's not going to work, is it?
17:58Well, it's interesting because when Charles was Prince of Wales,
18:02he was quite open in the Duchy of Cornwall
18:06and used to say how much income tax he paid.
18:08He didn't tell us how they came about the calculations,
18:11but he publicly said how much they paid.
18:15William, as Duke of Cornwall and Prince of Wales,
18:18is not telling us how much income tax he's paid.
18:19Isn't that interesting?
18:20Because that would be, that's a counterintuitive fact
18:22because you imagine more transparency
18:24rather than less transparency would be the direction.
18:26I wonder if it's part of this, certainly with William,
18:31I wonder if it's part of this not wanting to appear rich.
18:35I can't believe that any royal would be diddling HMRC
18:38because that would just be, I mean,
18:40the only person who's above prosecution is the monarch.
18:43It just gives you a formidable tax advantage.
18:45It does give you a formidable tax advantage
18:48if you're being prosecuted in the name of your dad.
18:52But I can't...
18:53Inspectors of Decree.
18:54I can't believe that all those civil servants
18:56and the Keeper of the Privy Parts
18:57would allow them to get the tax bill wrong.
19:00But I do wonder, I do feel that William wants to be
19:04kind of like a man of the people
19:06and wants to be seen as another ordinary type of guy.
19:10Does publishing the millions he has to pay in tax?
19:14Because how much is he worth, again, do we think?
19:15Well, we don't know.
19:16We've worked about £20 million to £25 million a year
19:18in income from the Duchy of Cornwall.
19:19Yeah.
19:20I mean, that's a huge amount of money.
19:21£20 million a year, Richard.
19:25I mean, imagine how many tiaras both of us could buy with that.
19:27But there's a caveat to this, isn't it, which is making...
19:30I remember a neighbour of mine got really exercised
19:32when she found out that the cost of the coronation
19:34was about £70 million.
19:36And she said, why can't the King pay for that?
19:38And it seems to me quite obviously why.
19:40That's a head of state thing.
19:41Yeah.
19:42The King isn't crowning himself for his own amusement.
19:45He's doing it because, as head of state, that's what you do.
19:48And he seems to be right that that should be paid by the state.
19:51But that's a useful confusion sometimes, isn't it?
19:53Because how would you always know how to distinguish
19:55between what is a function of state and what is a private benefit?
20:00It's hard to call that.
20:01But, I mean, going back to what we were sort of saying before,
20:04are the royals worth it?
20:05You know, that £20 million a year to William,
20:08I mean, it's just...
20:08He's the same age as me.
20:10I mean, I just kind of...
20:10My mind boggles.
20:11And don't forget, that's from the £20 million
20:14doesn't include the money he will get
20:16as part of the suffering grants to be a working royal.
20:19But then another thing, and this is a hard thing,
20:21but I mean, I think all of us would want to have a distinguished
20:23between our private resources
20:26and the resources that came to us by virtue of what we do.
20:29And I don't...
20:30In principle...
20:33In principle, I don't think it sounds unreasonable
20:36that public stuff should be funded out of public money
20:38and private resources should not be lent on for that.
20:43I was liking the royals to...
20:45There's that famous advert by Heineken.
20:48I don't think they do it anymore, but, you know, Heineken...
20:50Is it Heineken that it reaches parts...
20:52Other beers cannot reach.
20:53Other beers cannot.
20:54And I always think the royal family is a bit like
20:56the royal Heineken, the royal beer,
20:58because they can do...
20:59They can achieve things.
21:01They can convene people and bring people together
21:03in a way that I don't think anyone else in the world can.
21:06Look at the Trump state visit last year.
21:08There was the Princess of Wales
21:10dressed in Trump's favourite colour, gold.
21:13The amount of gold on that table
21:15at the Windsor Castle banquet was amazing.
21:17He was having the time of his life
21:20in the unprecedented second state visit.
21:22I mean, he absolutely loved it.
21:24And the result of that, Richard,
21:26meant that we had less bad tariffs
21:29than the rest of Europe.
21:30And it meant that factories here didn't close.
21:34Soft power.
21:35Soft power.
21:35And it's very hard to do a profit and loss on that, isn't it?
21:37Because they're very hard to track those figures.
21:39But I always thought other people would say
21:40how much is the monarchy worth
21:42in terms of bringing in a tourist pound or dollar
21:45or yen by a well-significant amount.
21:47It's very hard to get any precise figures about that.
21:49But I still think even if we didn't have a monarchy,
21:52the coffers of the Royal Collection Trust,
21:54which administer the opening of Holyrood House,
21:56Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle,
21:57still think the tourists would come.
21:58King Charles or no King Charles?
22:00I've got a hypothetical.
22:01Go on.
22:02In the event that it was thought
22:05that perhaps we could manage perfectly well
22:06without a monarchy,
22:07and it was abolished,
22:08and we would form a republic,
22:09which is perfectly doable.
22:10Whether it's wise or not is another question.
22:12Imagine the wrangling over who gets what.
22:16If the Windsors were to retire to private life,
22:18what would they take with them?
22:24Would the title in their art collection,
22:27their jewels,
22:28their land holdings,
22:30would that just go to the state?
22:31Or would they think,
22:33hang on,
22:33that was ours,
22:34or that we,
22:35I don't know,
22:35it's an interesting one.
22:36Well,
22:36some stuff is theirs personally,
22:38so...
22:39How do you untangle all that?
22:40Balmoral,
22:41Sandringham,
22:43Highgrove
22:43are all personal homes.
22:45Windsor Castle,
22:46Buckingham Palace,
22:47Kensington Palace,
22:48they're owned by the state.
22:49The Crown Jewels,
22:50locked up in the tower.
22:51They're owned by the crown.
22:52They're owned by the crown.
22:54I would say,
22:55isn't that the state?
22:57I've got another thing to tell you.
22:58Tell me.
22:59Right,
23:00so I've looked this up actually,
23:01and the British monarchy
23:03in cost is about 100 million a year.
23:06The other monarchies,
23:07European monarchies,
23:08about half.
23:09I know.
23:10Some much less than that,
23:11but I think Denmark
23:13and the Netherlands
23:14are the next
23:16in terms of expense,
23:17and it's half that cost.
23:18Yeah.
23:19And they,
23:19I mean,
23:20they seem to live pretty high on the hog,
23:21but obviously our lot
23:22are super expensive,
23:23and that's partly to do
23:24with the splendor
23:26and the extent of their living.
23:28Wow.
23:29There's not enough transparency
23:30for us to know.
23:31Well,
23:32it's time to go for a break,
23:33but after the break,
23:34we'll be asking the question,
23:35how do you actually
23:36quit the firm
23:37if you should choose to do so?
23:39Well,
23:39we'll come back to that.
23:40But we have a question
23:41for you to mull over
23:42also,
23:42and it's this.
23:43Is it true or false
23:45that the monarch
23:47requires no passport
23:48or driving license?
23:51See you in a moment.
23:56Welcome back
23:57to Catching Up with the Royals,
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24:07Now,
24:07before the break,
24:08the question was,
24:09true or false,
24:10the monarch requires
24:11a driving license
24:12or passport?
24:13And the answer is,
24:13no,
24:14the monarch doesn't.
24:16Stopped by the cops,
24:18the monarch can say,
24:19no,
24:19be off with you.
24:21Stopped at immigration,
24:22no,
24:22be off with you.
24:22They're the fount of,
24:23the monarch is the fount
24:24of all law.
24:25Doesn't need that stuff.
24:27The monarch is the law.
24:28Discuss.
24:30Anyway,
24:31look,
24:31we were talking about
24:31quitting the firm,
24:33Emily.
24:33If it is a firm,
24:35of course you have
24:35the right to hand in
24:37your notice.
24:38Yeah.
24:38And it has happened,
24:39hasn't it?
24:39But it's never been
24:40a particularly smooth business.
24:43No.
24:44So,
24:44obviously,
24:45the most infamous
24:47was the monarch
24:48quitting
24:48the top job,
24:51Edward VIII,
24:52in 1936.
24:54It does seem a bit
24:55bonkers now,
24:56doesn't it,
24:57to think about it,
24:57but I think you have
24:58to put yourself
24:58back a hundred years
25:00and,
25:00you know,
25:00the monarch,
25:02well,
25:02still is,
25:03the monarch is
25:03the head of the church
25:04of England.
25:05But then,
25:06oh,
25:06sorry,
25:06yes,
25:07this is your,
25:07point of order,
25:08this is your domain,
25:10talk to me.
25:11Supreme governor.
25:12Supreme governor.
25:12Not the head of the church.
25:13Sorry.
25:14Which is Jesus Christ.
25:15Okay,
25:15sorry.
25:15Supreme governor.
25:16Supreme governor.
25:17Small but important point.
25:18So,
25:18Jesus Christ is the head.
25:20Yes.
25:21And,
25:22the British monarch is,
25:24the supreme governor
25:24of the church of England.
25:25Supreme governor
25:26of the church of England.
25:26Of course,
25:27after the breakaway
25:28from Rome
25:30by Henry VIII
25:31in the 16th century.
25:32It's so complicated.
25:33So complicated.
25:33There's like a tonne
25:34of hot cars
25:34just to scratch
25:35the surface of that.
25:36And also,
25:36of course,
25:36but at that point,
25:37he was still,
25:37he might have broken
25:38away from the church,
25:38but he was not
25:39Church of England.
25:40Anyway,
25:41that was Elizabeth I,
25:42but we're not doing history,
25:43we're doing royals.
25:44That's very good.
25:44Thanks.
25:45You're welcome.
25:46Elizabethan settlement.
25:47Elizabethan settlement.
25:48And,
25:48of course,
25:48and then there was
25:49Edward VI,
25:50but.
25:50Really good.
25:51Yeah,
25:51I know.
25:52And Mariah and Mary,
25:53and your neck of the woods,
25:54the Louisian martyrs,
25:57I think.
25:58Oh,
25:58the Lewis.
25:59The martyrs of Lewis.
26:00The martyrs,
26:00yeah.
26:01Anyway,
26:02bonfire.
26:03I love a Lewis bonfire.
26:04Those of you who know,
26:04who know,
26:05you know.
26:06But,
26:07back to the Supreme
26:08Government of the Church
26:09of England,
26:10which was the monarch
26:11of Edward VIII,
26:12and therefore,
26:12then,
26:13he couldn't marry a divorcee,
26:15so he had to quit.
26:16I mean,
26:16it's the thing,
26:17the Church of England's
26:17doctrine at that time
26:18has changed now,
26:19made it impossible
26:20for a divorcee
26:21to remarry
26:23if the person
26:23they'd originally been married
26:24to was still living,
26:25not permitted.
26:26And so,
26:27the Archbishop of Canterbury
26:28said no way.
26:29It was hard to imagine
26:30just what a crisis
26:31this was,
26:31actually.
26:32It was an unthinkable thing
26:33that all of a sudden
26:34everyone had to think about.
26:36It was a big trauma
26:36for all concerned.
26:38I think the deal was
26:39either you give up
26:41Mrs. Simpson
26:41or you abdicate
26:44and marry Mrs. Simpson
26:45or you marry
26:46Mrs. Simpson
26:47more ganetically,
26:48which means
26:49that she would not
26:51become queen,
26:51she would not
26:53become royal
26:53through the marriage
26:55and he said no.
26:56And presumably
26:56he could have
26:57stayed being king
26:59and had her as a mistress
27:00like every other monarch
27:02before him.
27:02Yeah,
27:03and of course
27:03the cat was sort of
27:04out of the bag now
27:05and he upped the ante.
27:06But it's like
27:06one of those things
27:07you know,
27:08don't speak,
27:09don't tell.
27:10Yeah.
27:11People can kind of
27:12make their own arrangements
27:13but as soon as you
27:13sort of make that explicit
27:14then you have to
27:15tidy it all up
27:16and you know,
27:17you have to make a decision.
27:18It became official
27:19and I think,
27:21I mean,
27:22there have been
27:22many books written
27:24of course famously
27:25Wallace
27:26and Edward VIII
27:29are buried
27:29side by side
27:30in the grounds
27:31of Frogmore House
27:32just by Frogmore Cottage
27:34where another
27:37American
27:38married
27:39a British prince
27:40and went to live
27:42after their married life.
27:43I've always thought
27:43it was quite funny
27:44that Harry and Meghan
27:45went to live
27:46in Frogmore Cottage
27:47which is very,
27:47very close
27:48to the graves.
27:49Almost as if
27:50there were an element
27:51of deliberation
27:52in whoever chose
27:54that for them.
27:54Well, do you know what though?
27:55I broke the story
27:56that they were going
27:57to move to Frogmore Cottage
27:58and of course at the time
27:59everybody thought
28:00that they were going
28:00to move into
28:02one of the
28:03vacated apartments
28:04in Kensington Palace.
28:06Everyone thought
28:06they were going to live
28:07next door to Kate and William
28:08and there was,
28:09I think,
28:09apartment,
28:10Kate would have
28:10apartment 1A
28:11and I think apartment 1
28:11was being renovated
28:12and that was genuinely
28:14what was going to happen
28:15but quite,
28:17I mean,
28:17we as the journos
28:18were always a bit
28:18late to the party
28:19but what happened
28:20was Carrie and Meghan
28:21spent very little time
28:24at KP.
28:25They were living
28:26in Nottingham Cottage
28:27and they didn't want
28:28to be,
28:28they disliked it so much
28:30that they rented
28:31a place near Soho Farmhouse
28:33in the Cotswolds
28:33and they spent
28:34very little time
28:35at Kensington Palace
28:36and then when they said
28:37they didn't want
28:37to move into apartment 1
28:39somewhere had to be
28:40found for them.
28:41There's a whole episode
28:41we've got to do on
28:42why royals don't like
28:43living in official accommodation
28:45like the King
28:46and the Queen
28:46don't want to live
28:47in Buckingham Palace.
28:48No.
28:48Nobody wants to live
28:49in Buckingham Palace.
28:50No one wants to live
28:50in BP.
28:51When,
28:52I think soon,
28:53this year maybe,
28:54we're going to get
28:55an updated audit
28:58of the money
28:59that's been spent
28:59from the Sovereign Grant
29:00that's been uplifted
29:01for the last,
29:02for the 10 years
29:02of resurfacing.
29:04It's going to be
29:05interesting to see
29:06how much it's cost
29:09and we should go
29:10round it, Richard.
29:11I've never been there.
29:12Have you not?
29:13No.
29:13Oh, by the way,
29:14I hear that they are
29:16personally quite tight
29:18that they might have
29:19all these mega millions
29:21but they don't like
29:23spending their own money.
29:25Well, there's a great
29:25story about Queen Mary
29:27who used to go
29:29to visit people
29:30and if she came to visit
29:31people used to have
29:31to hide all their
29:32bibelos away
29:33because if she liked
29:34something she'd just
29:34expect it to be given
29:36to her.
29:36It's a royal favour.
29:37And she used to go
29:37to shops when they
29:39would close to the public
29:39and go,
29:40that's nice,
29:40that's nice.
29:41And somebody would
29:42go around after
29:42and wrap it up
29:43in brown paper
29:44and deliver it
29:44to Buckingham Palace.
29:45No.
29:46Yeah.
29:46I think that sense
29:48of entitlement
29:49still does happen.
29:50I heard this great story
29:52about Meghan
29:54that on the eve
29:55of the Queen's funeral,
29:57which was a Monday,
29:58she got very worried
30:00about gloves.
30:01Now,
30:02this is my opinion.
30:03This is what I was told.
30:04She got very worried
30:05about gloves.
30:05My opinion is,
30:06because the gloves
30:06that she actually wore
30:07on the day
30:07of the Queen's funeral
30:08were elbow length.
30:09In fact,
30:10comparisons were made
30:11to Wallis Simpson,
30:12who was a very stylish lady,
30:14but also liked
30:14an elbow length glove.
30:15I was told that
30:16on the eve
30:17of the funeral,
30:18she got one
30:19of her people
30:20to ring
30:21one of the,
30:22a couple of the
30:23big French fashion
30:24houses
30:25that have stores
30:26on Regent Street
30:27and wanted them
30:29opened
30:29so that one
30:30of her minions
30:31could go and get
30:32some gloves.
30:33I think in the end
30:34the keys couldn't be found
30:35or burglar arm codes
30:36or people couldn't be,
30:37you know,
30:38stretched.
30:39And so in the end
30:40she didn't get
30:41whatever gloves.
30:42I think she wanted
30:42shorter gloves.
30:43I think she suddenly got,
30:44this is my personal opinion,
30:45I think she suddenly
30:46got really worried.
30:46But that sense of,
30:48oh my goodness,
30:49I need gloves,
30:49I need gloves,
30:50they're the wrong gloves,
30:51get me new gloves,
30:51somebody go,
30:52go,
30:52that,
30:53it's quite,
30:54that optics
30:55is very problematic,
30:56isn't it?
30:57It's pop-star,
30:57the thing is,
30:58you get used to
30:59the world being nice to you
31:01in about a day.
31:02The interesting thing
31:03is getting used to
31:04the world no longer
31:04caring about you.
31:05So when,
31:06you know,
31:06of course,
31:07Megan may sort of
31:08fret about her gloves,
31:08I don't know,
31:09but once you've stopped
31:10being the reason
31:12people are bothered
31:13about gloves,
31:14i.e. a member
31:14of the royal family,
31:15you need to really
31:16adjust very quickly,
31:18to trim very quickly
31:19to a world
31:20in which your
31:22caprices might not
31:23carry the weight
31:24that they did
31:25beforehand, right?
31:26So there's one thing
31:27about quitting,
31:27isn't it?
31:28All of a sudden
31:28the world,
31:29what does the world
31:29owe you if all of a sudden
31:30you've handed back
31:31your crown?
31:32And I think
31:32that was the mistake
31:33that Harry and Meghan
31:34made because
31:35they are trying
31:36to make their own
31:37money now,
31:39all well and good,
31:40well done them,
31:41but because they
31:42have literally
31:43publicly bitten
31:44the hand that fed
31:45them in terms of
31:46being so critical
31:48of the royals,
31:50that was the reason
31:50why everyone was
31:51interested in them.
31:52So whilst at the
31:53time them doing
31:54Oprah and doing
31:56the Netflix,
31:57sort of speaking
31:58their truth and
31:58saying how victimized
32:00they were and
32:00how unfair
32:00it all was,
32:01was probably
32:02quite cathartic
32:03and obviously
32:04we all lapped
32:05it up,
32:05didn't we?
32:05In the long run
32:06it wasn't very
32:07sensible as a
32:08strategic move
32:10because they want
32:12people to buy
32:13what they are
32:14selling,
32:15be it Harry's
32:16life coaching
32:16or Meghan's jam
32:17and if they've
32:19been.
32:20But you know,
32:21if she wants us
32:22to buy what
32:23she's selling,
32:24we have to
32:25believe in her
32:27and we want to
32:27buy into her
32:28and she's literally
32:29told us that she
32:30hated the one
32:31thing that we were
32:32interested in her
32:32for, being royal.
32:33But do you think
32:33the plan is that
32:34you shift from
32:34being interesting
32:35because you're
32:36a member of the
32:36British royal family
32:37to being interesting
32:37because you're
32:38kind of like the
32:39Kardashians,
32:40that there's a
32:41sort of another
32:41version of that,
32:42a sort of secular
32:42version of that
32:43if you like,
32:44where people were
32:45interested in them
32:45for their own
32:46sake, rather
32:47than for them
32:48doing anything.
32:49Well, jam's
32:49nice, and I
32:51don't want to be
32:51horrible to either
32:52Meghan or Harry
32:53and I think
32:55deprogramming
32:55from their weird
32:56life is obviously
32:57going to be
32:57complicated and
32:58difficult and
32:58we wish them
32:59the best, but
33:00I'm not sure
33:01how it's.
33:02Well, yeah, I
33:03think I do,
33:03really.
33:04I think I do
33:04because, you
33:05know.
33:06I think we
33:07should.
33:07No, I think we
33:08should.
33:08I think with,
33:09I always think,
33:10I always call it
33:10the Emily
33:11Andrews Venn
33:11diagram.
33:12So you've got
33:13three circles.
33:14Okay.
33:14You've got one,
33:15are you with
33:15me?
33:15Are you with
33:16me?
33:16One circle is
33:17celebrity.
33:18Yeah.
33:19The next
33:19circle is, you
33:20know, history.
33:22Yeah.
33:23The bottom
33:24circle is the
33:25news and in
33:26the middle of
33:27those three
33:27circles is the
33:28royal family.
33:29Yeah.
33:29So in a case,
33:30sort of to
33:31your point, if
33:32you take away
33:33the celebrity
33:34and you take
33:34away the
33:35news and you
33:36take away the
33:36history, what
33:37are the royal
33:38family?
33:38There isn't
33:38really much
33:39there.
33:40It's the
33:40combination of
33:41all those three
33:41things that make
33:42them so interesting,
33:43that makes them,
33:44you know, want us,
33:45want to talk
33:46about them.
33:46And makes them
33:47be able to earn
33:47a living.
33:48And makes them
33:48earn a living.
33:49The kind of
33:49living they want
33:50to earn.
33:50But then when
33:51they are the
33:52working royals,
33:53sometimes they
33:54feel quite trapped.
33:55And sometimes they
33:56want to quit.
33:57And also the other
33:58thing I'd say in
33:59favour of Harry is
34:01I understand why
34:02as a father you
34:03would be concerned
34:03for the safety of
34:04your children.
34:04And if you walk
34:05away from the
34:06royal family and
34:06all of a sudden
34:07you no longer get
34:07that protection,
34:09nonetheless, interest
34:10may endure.
34:10And I can quite
34:11understand why
34:11you would have
34:12anxieties that
34:13your children
34:13might be targeted
34:14and that you
34:16would feel that
34:16perhaps a degree
34:18of security would
34:19be available to
34:19you for that.
34:20And it's those
34:21little things you
34:22walk away from
34:23and perhaps don't
34:23fully anticipate
34:24what that's going
34:25to look like and
34:26what that's going
34:26to cost you and
34:27how different your
34:27life is going to
34:28be.
34:29Because if you've
34:30got security and
34:31if you've got
34:32stuff that comes
34:33with that, you
34:33know, kind of
34:34private jets or
34:35whatever, that's
34:36not a cheap life,
34:39is it?
34:39It's a very
34:39expensive life.
34:40I don't know how
34:40much you need to
34:41earn to live that
34:42sort of a life, but
34:43it's pretty hard to
34:44do that, I think.
34:45I think the
34:45security bill...
34:45Take more than
34:46jam.
34:46No, for sure.
34:47And I think that's...
34:48Or spread.
34:49That's why.
34:49Or spread.
34:50Spread.
34:51Spread.
34:53Or the sparkling...
34:56No, Emily, stop
34:57the accents now.
34:58Or the sparkling
34:59brute.
35:00She keeps calling
35:00it brute.
35:00I'm like, it's
35:01bubbles.
35:01What are you
35:02doing, love?
35:02Anyway, their
35:03security bill is
35:04about two million
35:05a year, so you
35:06can completely
35:06understand why
35:07Harry has
35:08mounted this
35:10huge campaign,
35:12is a campaign,
35:13is a military
35:14man campaign, to
35:15get his
35:16metropolitan
35:17police security
35:19reinstated.
35:20But if, as
35:21is indicated
35:22currently, he
35:24does get that
35:25reinstated, that's
35:26going to be a
35:27huge cost to the
35:28British taxpayer.
35:28That, by the
35:29way, the security
35:30doesn't come out of
35:31the sovereign
35:31grant.
35:31It comes out
35:33of the
35:33metropolitan
35:33police budget.
35:35Because the
35:35metropolitan
35:36police, which
35:37for those
35:37metropolitan
35:38police, it's
35:39London's
35:39police force, and
35:40they have a
35:41special security
35:42operation which
35:44protect VIPs, not
35:46just the royals, but
35:47the prime minister
35:48and senior
35:49politicians.
35:49I've got a
35:50hypothetical for
35:50you.
35:51Go for it.
35:52In the event of
35:53some international
35:54outrage, not an
35:56unimaginable
35:56situation, the
35:58head of state
35:59might be
36:00compromised by
36:00the kidnap of
36:01his grandchildren.
36:03Yeah?
36:05It's bad, isn't
36:06it?
36:06That could be
36:06really, really
36:07bad.
36:07That gives me,
36:08that makes me,
36:10actually, that's
36:10given me a
36:11physical reaction.
36:12But before we
36:13go, one
36:14question for
36:14you.
36:16Which of the
36:17following unusual
36:18facilities can be
36:20found inside
36:21Buckingham Palace?
36:22An ATM, a
36:24post office, or a
36:25police station?
36:26We'll be back
36:27after this.
36:32Welcome back to
36:33Catching Up with
36:34the Royals.
36:35Before the break, I
36:36asked which of the
36:37following unusual
36:37facilities can be
36:38found inside
36:39Buckingham Palace?
36:40An ATM, a post
36:41office, or a
36:42police station?
36:43What do you
36:44reckon, Richard?
36:45Police station.
36:46Well, you're
36:47right, but all of
36:49them.
36:50And I've seen all
36:51of them inside
36:52Buckingham Palace.
36:53And who do you
36:54think provides the
36:55ATM inside BP?
36:57I want to say
36:58Coots and Coots.
36:58You are absolutely
36:59correct.
37:00It's a Coots
37:01ATM.
37:02It's a free
37:04standing.
37:04I actually used
37:05it just so that I
37:06could say that I
37:07used the cash
37:09machine in
37:09Buckingham Palace.
37:10It's part of the
37:11NatWest group
37:11actually now.
37:12Is it?
37:13I bet your
37:14account's with
37:14Coots, isn't it?
37:15It's not, no.
37:16But it will be.
37:17It's with another
37:17member of the
37:17NatWest group.
37:18NatWest.
37:19There you are.
37:20I'm very excited
37:21because I've got the
37:22red box here.
37:23It's your turn.
37:24This is viewers
37:25questions.
37:26Yes, the most
37:27important bit of
37:27the show.
37:27Right, let's
37:28have a little
37:29look.
37:29Okay.
37:32I've made a
37:33mess of it.
37:33Hang on.
37:34There we go.
37:34Careful of your
37:35mic.
37:35Oh, relevant.
37:37This is from
37:38Maisie.
37:38Okay.
37:39She asks,
37:40has Harry's
37:40public image
37:41taken a turn
37:42for the worse
37:42since he no
37:43longer has
37:44access to
37:45the Palace
37:45Aids?
37:46Oh, good
37:47question,
37:48Maisie.
37:50I mean, if you
37:50look at the
37:50opinion polls,
37:51his popularity
37:52has really
37:54nosedived and
37:55as has
37:55Meghan's.
37:56I mean, he
37:56used to be
37:57one of the
37:57most popular
37:58members of
37:59the royal
37:59family.
37:59And I
38:00remember
38:00writing that
38:01Prince Harry
38:02was the one
38:02member of the
38:03royal family
38:03you'd love to
38:04go down the
38:04pub with.
38:05The only one
38:05you can imagine
38:06going to have
38:06a pint.
38:08Although one
38:08time did have
38:09to buy him
38:09a drink.
38:10He didn't
38:10buy me a
38:11drink.
38:11Hey, hey,
38:11hey, hey.
38:12More on
38:13that, please.
38:14Oh, we
38:15were in
38:17Chile and
38:18on a royal
38:19tour.
38:20And on
38:21royal tours,
38:21it's kind
38:22of, it's
38:24sort of like
38:24convention that
38:26if you go
38:27and follow
38:28them around
38:28and report
38:29on what
38:29they're doing,
38:30then there's
38:32a private
38:33drinks reception.
38:36And we
38:37got to the
38:38bar and
38:38Harry is a
38:40delight.
38:41He's so
38:41fun.
38:42He's exactly,
38:42well, he was
38:43anyway.
38:44I think he
38:44lost a bit
38:44of his
38:44joie de vivre
38:46before he
38:46left the
38:47UK.
38:47I really
38:47hope he's
38:48got it
38:48back now.
38:49But he
38:49was so
38:50fun.
38:50He's like
38:50Tigger
38:51bounding
38:51around.
38:52And he
38:52was like,
38:52hey,
38:53he comes
38:53into the
38:53bar.
38:55I said,
38:55oh, hi,
38:56Harry.
38:56I said,
38:56oh, and
38:57he's like,
38:57oh, you've
38:58got a drink.
38:58I said,
38:58oh, you've
38:59not got a
38:59drink.
38:59He said,
39:00oh, I'll
39:01get you a
39:01drink.
39:01I'll buy
39:01you a
39:02drink.
39:02Oh, thanks
39:03so much.
39:04I'll have
39:04half a pint
39:05or whatever.
39:06I can't
39:06remember what
39:06it was,
39:07whatever the
39:07local lager
39:08is.
39:09Did you
39:09think that
39:09it was an
39:10unusual thing
39:11that someone
39:11offered to
39:11buy a pint?
39:12I don't
39:13know.
39:13No, I
39:16think that
39:17they probably
39:18don't think
39:19that much
39:20about who
39:22is paying
39:22for things.
39:23I've
39:24certainly
39:24been on
39:24royal tours
39:25where
39:26William and
39:26Kate were
39:27in Bhutan
39:27and William
39:28and Kate
39:28wanted to
39:28buy some
39:29jewellery,
39:30I think,
39:30at the foot
39:31of the
39:31Tiger's
39:32monastery
39:32and they
39:33didn't
39:33have any
39:33cash.
39:35Equally,
39:35Charles,
39:36when he
39:36loves to
39:37go to a
39:37local market
39:38on tour,
39:38he doesn't
39:39have any
39:39cash.
39:40Now, you
39:40can kind
39:40of understand
39:41that because
39:42they're in
39:42almost like
39:43a bubble
39:44when they're
39:44on tour,
39:45so who
39:45has time
39:46to go
39:46and change
39:47your tenner?
39:48You don't
39:48go to a
39:48cash point,
39:49even though
39:49there is
39:49one in
39:50Buckingham Palace.
39:50Even though
39:50there is a
39:51cash point
39:51in Buckingham
39:52Palace,
39:52but that's
39:53probably
39:53giving out
39:53pounds,
39:54it's not
39:54giving out
39:55euros or
39:56I can't
39:57remember the
39:57currency in
39:58Bhutan now,
39:58so I think
39:58that's kind
39:59of understandable,
39:59but I think
40:01maybe the
40:02sense that I
40:02always got,
40:03even with
40:04Harry and
40:04William,
40:04who are
40:05very down
40:05to earth,
40:06was that
40:06they were
40:06always kind
40:07of used
40:07to people
40:09paying for
40:10them?
40:10Yeah.
40:11I suppose if
40:12things come
40:13your way,
40:13you don't
40:14really think
40:14about it
40:14that much.
40:15And also,
40:15I suppose you
40:16have to
40:16remember that,
40:17and this is
40:17part of the
40:17reason I
40:18think for
40:20Harry and
40:21Meghan leaving
40:21the royal
40:22family,
40:23that they
40:24were effectively
40:25being paid
40:26for by
40:27dad.
40:27So we've
40:28been talking
40:29this episode
40:30about funding,
40:32we talked
40:33about the
40:33monarch's
40:34funding,
40:34we talked
40:34about the
40:35Prince of
40:35Wales'
40:35funding as
40:36the heir to
40:36the throne.
40:37When Harry
40:37and William
40:38were growing
40:38up,
40:39it was
40:40their dad
40:40who was
40:40paying for
40:41everything
40:41for them.
40:42Fine when
40:42they were
40:43at Eton,
40:44fine when
40:44they were
40:46in their
40:46military and
40:47at Sandhurst,
40:48but then
40:49when they
40:49were men
40:50in their
40:50late 20s
40:51and early
40:5130s,
40:52they couldn't
40:53earn their
40:53own money
40:54because they
40:54were working
40:55royals,
40:55and they
40:56had to
40:56rely on
40:57handouts
40:58for dad.
40:59And particularly
40:59when they
41:00both started
41:01their own
41:01families,
41:02William with
41:02Kate and
41:03Harry with
41:03Meghan,
41:04then,
41:05you know,
41:05when you
41:06start your
41:06own family,
41:07you want
41:08your independence,
41:09you might
41:09have children,
41:10you've got to
41:10have a bigger
41:11house,
41:11you know,
41:11all that kind
41:12of thing.
41:12To continually
41:13have to ask
41:14your dad,
41:15it's quite
41:15embarrassing,
41:16isn't it?
41:16I don't know,
41:17it's just such
41:17an unimaginably
41:18weird life to
41:19me.
41:19Yeah,
41:19it is.
41:20And also
41:20one that's,
41:21I can quite understand
41:22why you would
41:22not want to
41:23shine light upon
41:24it when so many
41:24people are
41:25struggling to
41:25pay bills,
41:26right?
41:26Well,
41:27and also
41:27in a cost
41:27of living
41:28crisis,
41:28I think
41:29it doesn't
41:29behove the
41:30family in a
41:32particularly good
41:32light to be
41:33seen as
41:34unimaginably
41:35wealthy.
41:36And for
41:36Harry,
41:36so I think
41:37we have to,
41:37so to
41:37Maisie's
41:38question,
41:39which was,
41:39has the
41:40loss of the
41:41courtiers
41:41kind of
41:43served Harry
41:44a disservice?
41:45I mean,
41:46I think it
41:46just depends
41:47on who
41:48your staff
41:49are.
41:50I mean,
41:51infamously,
41:52Meghan and
41:53Harry can't
41:53keep hold of
41:54their staff
41:55that quickly.
41:56They do
41:57seem to go
41:58through staff
41:58quite quickly.
42:01And...
42:02The Duchess
42:02of Difficult.
42:03The Duchess
42:03Difficult,
42:04yes.
42:05And I
42:06think if
42:06the really,
42:07really good
42:08members of
42:08staff,
42:09and this
42:09was probably
42:09the same
42:10with celebrities,
42:11right?
42:11You would know
42:11this better
42:11than me,
42:12but because
42:13of course you
42:13are an
42:13A-list
42:14celeb,
42:14Rich.
42:15But it
42:16depends on
42:16the calibre
42:17of the
42:17people around
42:17you.
42:18But crucially,
42:19they have
42:20to be able
42:20to stand up
42:21to and say
42:22no to
42:23their employer
42:23whilst
42:24also doing
42:25that in a
42:26way that
42:27they still
42:27have the
42:27confidence and
42:28trust of
42:29their employer
42:29who is
42:30ultimately
42:30paying their
42:31wage.
42:31It's quite a
42:32difficult balancing
42:33act, isn't it?
42:34It's a very
42:34difficult one.
42:35And I imagine
42:36to have
42:36somebody,
42:37it's essential
42:38to have
42:38someone in
42:39your corner
42:39who has the
42:40power and
42:41the trust to
42:42tell you the
42:43difficult stuff
42:43you need to
42:44hear.
42:44And if you
42:45don't have
42:45that,
42:46you're really
42:47lacking
42:47something.
42:48For me,
42:49that's why
42:50Harry and
42:51Meghan's
42:51strategy,
42:53or on the
42:54face of it,
42:54lack of
42:55strategy,
42:56becomes so
42:58explicable.
42:59Because I
43:00think that
43:00they've gone
43:01from being
43:02in my
43:03Andrews Venn
43:03diagram in
43:04the middle
43:04being royal
43:05with all the
43:06associations that
43:07that comes
43:07with it,
43:08to moving
43:09out to
43:09America,
43:10to becoming
43:11just in
43:12inverted
43:12commas
43:13celebs.
43:13Now,
43:14that's great,
43:16but I
43:17think they've
43:17had a lot
43:17of yes
43:18people around
43:19them.
43:20And also,
43:21if,
43:22as,
43:22I mean,
43:22Meghan's always
43:23denied all
43:23the bullying
43:24claims,
43:24it's got to
43:25be said,
43:25but if it
43:26is correct,
43:28then it's
43:29quite difficult
43:30to tell her
43:30what she
43:31doesn't want
43:31to hear.
43:32Do you know
43:32what else
43:32has run
43:32out?
43:34Time.
43:34Are we
43:35talking too
43:35long again?
43:36I think so.
43:37Well,
43:37we could talk
43:37about this
43:37for hours
43:38and hours
43:38and hours,
43:39but we
43:39haven't got
43:39any time
43:40left and
43:40we have
43:41to say
43:41goodbye.
43:42We do.
43:43Well,
43:43don't forget,
43:44everybody,
43:44that you can
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43:56That's all
43:56for now,
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44:06it's goodbye
44:06from me.
44:07And goodbye
44:07from me.
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