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00:00Welcome to Catching Up With The Royals, the show that gives you a glimpse into what life is really like behind palace walls.
00:06Here for your royal lowdown and bringing you the secrets of the firm, it's me, Richard Coles.
00:11And me, Emily Andrews.
00:13Today on Catching Up With The Royals, I have travelled around the world with William and Kate.
00:18Off camera, they've always been very tactile.
00:20He's actually kind of, well, I think the word is hot.
00:24I would say the Prince of Wales is hot.
00:26We'll be discussing the latest on Harry's reconciliation with his father.
00:31I sometimes think with Harry, there's always a sense that he's a sort of knight of old on a mission.
00:35The king does want a relationship with his son.
00:38Delving into another fractured royal relationship as we discuss the latest on Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
00:44What I have been told is that usually he hasn't cut her parents off.
00:49How would you solve a problem like Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor? I don't know.
00:53We'll be releasing new episodes every Thursday.
00:55You can listen wherever you get your podcasts and please do watch us on our YouTube channel.
01:01Plus, you can tune in every Saturday on 5 and stream us on 5 too.
01:07So, Richard, I think Catching Up With The Royals is going to be fabulous.
01:14Go girl, as I believe they say.
01:17Well, Richard, this is so exciting.
01:25It's lovely to see you, Emily. How are you?
01:27I am really well, thank you. I'm delighted to be catching up with the royals with you. How are you today?
01:33I'm very well indeed, thank you. I've been away, so I feel slightly disconnected from the gossip which I know flows through your devices like water through a stream.
01:43Where have you been?
01:45I've been in South Africa, having a lovely time.
01:48Lovely.
01:48But it seems very distant from the comings and goings of the British Royal Family.
01:53And there has been some comings and some goings.
01:55There certainly have. There's been some comings.
01:57From another Africa enthusiast, Prince Harry has been in the UK, of which more later on Catching Up With The Royals.
02:04But first, shall we start with the Prince and Princess of Wales?
02:07Yes, who are off-piste in terms of them being Prince and Princess of Wales, so they've gone north, haven't they?
02:13They've gone north. Kate and William had a bit of a royal reset, I think, last week.
02:19It was their first joint engagement of January.
02:22They went to Scotland and they had a day of engagements in Falkirk and Stirling.
02:27Well, how lovely for them and for Falkirk and Stirling.
02:34Well, it was lovely. I mean, look, the Royals love Scotland.
02:37Yes, I love them.
02:38And it's totally genuine. It is a totally genuine love affair.
02:41Yeah, and also we forget, don't we, that the Royal Family thinks of itself as a Scottish thing as well as an English thing.
02:47Yes.
02:48And as well as your Prince and Princess of Wales as a Welsh thing, I think.
02:50But they are very much at home there.
02:51Very much at home.
02:52And then suddenly there's a sensational coat.
02:53Yeah, you took Richard. You took the words out of my mouth. I love you.
02:58I love Kate's clothing. Is that a bit geeky to say?
03:03And I feel like on my tombstone, maybe you could etch Emily Andrews.
03:08She knew a lot about Catherine's wardrobe.
03:12Kate or, oh, actually, let's, a quick, a quick, for catching up the Royals.
03:16Okay.
03:16Are we going to call her Kate or Catherine?
03:19I don't know. I think Kate seems to come more naturally to me now.
03:22Although, I don't know. What do you say?
03:24Kate Middleton still gets the most SEO, search engine optimisation.
03:29Oh, so in the public mind she's...
03:30Which is why you still get a lot of online articles calling her Kate Middleton.
03:35Oh, I see.
03:36I know.
03:36And in Scotland, she's probably Kate, the Kate face, right?
03:39She's the Duchess of Rossi.
03:41Of course she is.
03:42The Duchess of Rossi.
03:43So wherever they go...
03:45I'd probably mispronounce that now, Richard.
03:47Any...
03:47It's Rossi.
03:48Rossi.
03:49Yeah, well, that's what they say out there.
03:50Rossi.
03:50I was mooned there once. That's another story.
03:52That's another story. You have to tell me that after.
03:54Okay.
03:55So there they were. Kate was wearing a lovely coat, bespoke.
03:58She is great at kind of diplomatic dressing.
04:02Yeah.
04:02Well, I thought it was really interesting, this away day up in Scotland,
04:06because they packed in, I think, three or four engagements,
04:10and they also did a walkabout, which is what William and Kate are very good at, I think.
04:15She's naturally quite reserved.
04:18Yeah.
04:18When I've met her in private, she's got a cracking sense of humour.
04:22But she is quite controlled, and you don't really see that side of her so much.
04:28But what I thought on that visit last week in Scotland, someone, she and William were outside,
04:34and they were chatting to the crowd, and someone called out Kate, I think, even, not even Catherine.
04:39And she sort of ran over, because there was a child who wanted to say hello.
04:44And I thought that really showed a real kind of ease with the job,
04:52and a real kind of ease with what she was doing.
04:55William and Kate were visiting the National Curling Academy,
04:57because, of course, we've got the Winter Olympics next month.
04:59Very exciting.
04:59And Team GB, hopefully, are going to get us some curling medals.
05:03And I have form in curling.
05:04Do you?
05:05Yes, I have.
05:05I was once asked to leave the ice rink at Perth curling, because I was too intoxicated,
05:10they felt, to wield a curling stone.
05:13This is a little bit of background.
05:14It's not helping us, is it?
05:15Well, I hope it helps Team GB in the curling in the Winter Olympics.
05:19But it was a front-page picture.
05:22That picture of the Princess of Wales, she had a go at curling,
05:25and she was wearing a very long skirt.
05:27She'd taken the tartan coat off by this point,
05:29and she had a rather cool little knitted vest.
05:32I heard that she passed the coat in a rather casual way to her husband,
05:36who took it like a beautiful husband,
05:38rather than there being, I don't know, a kind of groom of the coat waiting.
05:42A flunky.
05:42The other thing that's probably about it is that they're quite touchy-feely, aren't they?
05:45They do seem kind of warmly at ease in each other's company in that very public way.
05:53They do.
05:53And what's been really interesting is to sort of see the evolution of that on the public stage.
05:58I'm quite lucky, having covered the Royals since 2013,
06:03I have travelled around the world with William and Kate.
06:07So I've seen them sort of, I mean, they're always on duty when there's a journalist around,
06:10but I've seen them off-camera a lot.
06:12And actually, off-camera, they've always been very tactile.
06:14William is a proper gent.
06:16He opens doors for her.
06:18He allows Catherine to go in front of him.
06:21He always is kind of checking to make sure she's okay.
06:24Out of the two of them, he's been born into this institution.
06:27He's been doing the job, so to speak, since he left university, really.
06:31And he's always tried to sort of help her in any way he can.
06:34But what was interesting was that we never saw that when they were on camera.
06:38They wouldn't hold hands.
06:39They wouldn't be tactile.
06:41The most that would happen would be they kind of look at each other.
06:44And that would be, you could kind of read it,
06:45but it never really kind of translated on the moving image.
06:49But what's been interesting recently is that they seem much more comfortable
06:53in showing that more tactile side.
06:55You might see them holding hands, or you might see William's hand
06:59in the small of Catherine's back.
07:00Do you think this is new year, new reboot, new look?
07:04There's a sense of something being done differently?
07:06I think it's a bit of a royal reset, yes,
07:10because I think Catherine has had a pretty torrid two years.
07:13Well, to be fair, so has William.
07:15I mean, he talked about 2024 as being the most difficult and brutal of his life,
07:20which when you consider his mum died when he was 15, that's quite something for him
07:24not to say that 97 was the worst year of his life.
07:28And obviously, Catherine, when she got, that she went into remission
07:31and then she got the all clear from her cancer this last January,
07:36Kensington Palace and her team made it very clear that she would have a very slow return to work.
07:41And in fact, that was a very sensible, I think, path because you remember,
07:47you were at Ascot last year, weren't you, when she didn't come?
07:51Yes, I had an encounter with the Prince of Wales.
07:55Did you now?
07:56Tell me more.
07:57Well, I accidentally walked into his box.
08:00Accidentally?
08:01No, I did because I'd been in it earlier before he turned up
08:04and then I walked into it and the bloke said,
08:06outside said, oh, have you been in here before?
08:08And I said, well, yes, I have, indeed I had.
08:09And I walked in and then there was this sort of inside guy
08:13and he kind of ushered me out.
08:15He saw you coming.
08:17Well, I just, it was him and his pals.
08:20And he looked at me and I looked at him and he kind of nodded.
08:23And that is the full extent of my relationship with the Prince of Wales.
08:25I have to say, though, he's very,
08:27he, you know how some people look very different
08:30from how they appear on telly?
08:33He's actually kind of, well, I think the word is hot.
08:37I would say the Prince of Wales is hot.
08:40Is that okay to say that?
08:41Well, I'm saying it.
08:42But I mean, you know, he's always kind of formal and proper and everything,
08:46but actually he's got a sort of physicality about him,
08:49which I'm not sure the camera necessarily picks up.
08:51Not only is William charismatic and funny,
08:55he is quite physically imposing.
08:59He's slim and tall, but with these broad shoulders.
09:02Now, I don't want to objectify anybody,
09:04at least of all the Prince of Wales.
09:06But when you, when you chat to him and he is,
09:12I don't, I, yeah, he has a real attractiveness that I think,
09:16you know, people often say, don't they,
09:17that when he was young, he had the hair
09:18and he looked like his mom.
09:19And now he's kind of lost his looks.
09:21I completely disagree.
09:22He has a magnetism in real life.
09:24I think so.
09:25And when he has a charisma that comes with the job, I guess,
09:27but he also has a physical charisma,
09:28which was quite a surprise for me.
09:30Yeah.
09:31Ooh.
09:31Ooh, matron.
09:33Now, we're coming up to a break.
09:35And I want you to have a question that I wish to be considered.
09:39Okay.
09:40Is this going to tax me?
09:42Probably.
09:42No, I don't think, I think you'll get this,
09:44but it's for the benefit of people.
09:45I feel pressure, Richard.
09:46Don't feel pressure.
09:47Okay.
09:47Don't feel pressure.
09:48It's a good pressure.
09:49Who is the most popular royal,
09:51according to a recent YouGov survey?
09:54Okay.
09:55Answer after the break.
10:06Welcome back to Catching Up with the Royals.
10:08And you can catch up with us every Thursday,
10:11wherever you get your podcasts,
10:12or on YouTube,
10:13or every Saturday on 5.
10:16Before the break, I pose the question, Emily,
10:18who are the most popular members of the royal family?
10:21I know you'll know this.
10:22I think Richard, the Prince and Princess of Wales,
10:25William and Catherine.
10:26You're right.
10:26And do you know how many of us say we like them?
10:28I seem to remember reading 77% approval rating.
10:32On the nose, 77%.
10:34Makes you wonder what the other 23% are thinking,
10:37but that's for another day.
10:38Yeah.
10:38Now, a royal couple who perhaps don't enjoy those numbers
10:41would be Harry and Meghan.
10:43Of course, Harry has been back on this side of the Atlantic.
10:46He has.
10:47Last week, he was in London for the third of his court cases
10:52against the British press.
10:54So there's been the case against the Mirror,
10:56which he partially won,
10:57and then the Sun that settled.
10:59And then last week,
10:59it was against the publishers of the Daily Mail,
11:02which Harry and six other claimants,
11:05very high profile, Liz Hurley, Sadie Frost,
11:07Baroness Lawrence, Stephen Lawrence's mum,
11:09they allege that the Mail and the Mail on Sunday
11:12have written a number of articles
11:14through phone hacking and illegal information gathering.
11:18Important to say that Associated deny any illegality.
11:22And it was interesting because I wondered whether
11:25on the very steps of the High Court,
11:28there might be a settlement worked
11:30between Harry, Elton John, Sadie Frost,
11:34the other claimants and Associated.
11:36But Associated, both sides, wanted to fight this case.
11:39It's nine weeks, projected cost of £40 million, Richard.
11:45And Harry had his day in court last week.
11:48How'd it go?
11:50Well, I think he found it very tough.
11:53I've got a lot of time for Prince Harry.
11:55I know you have too.
11:56He's an emotional man.
11:59He has talked in the past
12:01about wanting to slay the dragon of the British press.
12:04Fair enough.
12:05And he was questioned for a number of hours
12:09by Associated, Sid's King's Council.
12:13And he had to be told off by the judge a couple of times
12:15because he was kind of giving,
12:17he was doing David Sherbin, his barrister's job, for him.
12:20And I think he just, he really...
12:22Hang on, David Sherbin?
12:23Wasn't that the Wagatha Christie guy?
12:24Well done.
12:25It was.
12:26You're on this.
12:27He acted and won for Colleen Rooney.
12:31Harry's complaining about a number of articles
12:33that he says can only have come through phone hacking
12:35or illegal information gathering,
12:37of which Associated completely deny.
12:39But I think it's really got to him, you know.
12:42I think it's really got to him
12:43because at the end of Wednesday,
12:46he almost broke down in tears.
12:50Sherbin, his...
12:51David Sherbin, his barrister,
12:52was asking him about how it affected him.
12:55And Harry said something along the lines of,
12:58you know, the worst of it is,
12:59I've had to come to court, relive all this.
13:02And they have made my wife's life a complete misery.
13:07Most of the articles that Harry was complaining about
13:10concerned his relationships with Chelsea Davy
13:13or Cresta Bonas,
13:14his two sort of most serious girlfriends.
13:17But inevitably, unfortunately,
13:21Prince William has been dragged into it as well.
13:24Oh dear.
13:24And yes, which I don't think is going to help
13:27fraternal relations.
13:29Anything to read in Prince William and Catherine
13:32choosing to be at exactly the other end of the country
13:35at the time that Harry was in London?
13:38I think that was probably a considered decision, Richard.
13:43But of course, you know,
13:43the king was also supposed to be in Scotland.
13:46Supposed to be?
13:47Well, yes, he was supposed to be and he was.
13:49But he actually came back to London
13:51for the day when Harry was in court.
13:55But he didn't see Harry.
13:57Right.
13:58So what do we think about hopes for reconciliation with his father?
14:02Because of course, the last time Harry saw his father
14:06was in September last year.
14:07They hadn't seen each other for 18 months.
14:09They hadn't spoken to each other.
14:11This was the big olive branch.
14:12This was the cup of tea at Clarence House
14:14and a slice of chocolate cake.
14:15But then this time, the king didn't see his son.
14:18It's all getting mixed up in my mind now
14:20with the dramas of the House of Beckham.
14:22Oh, yes.
14:22Because there's a similar kind of thing happening, isn't there,
14:25with sort of Brooklyn who seems to be at war
14:28with his own parents and his own family.
14:29It's a dynasty thing, isn't it?
14:31Yeah.
14:31And I wonder too if there's, you know,
14:33he has that thing with Prince Harry,
14:34if you sense of someone who's kind of searching
14:36for an identity when it's hard to do that
14:38because the identity is sort of handed out with the jaw.
14:41I think it must be really difficult for both men,
14:43for Brooklyn and for Harry,
14:44because they've both grown up,
14:46had childhoods where they have, you know,
14:48very high achieving parents,
14:49and obviously in Harry's case, grandmother and, well,
14:52and grandfather.
14:53And you've got to live up to the name.
14:56I feel very sorry for both men.
15:00I mean, the Brooklyn-Beckham thing was kind of extraordinary,
15:03but it is also following the Prince Harry playbook, isn't it?
15:06I kind of hope their friends are that somewhere
15:08there are some blurred snaps that Brooklyn's taken
15:10of Harry kind of making one of his beef burgers.
15:13Yes.
15:13You think that could happen?
15:14Or maybe, maybe Megan's made her and Nicola
15:19and Harry and Brooklyn some of her famous cocktails
15:22with some dried flower sprinkles.
15:24Or what about her jam that's not jam?
15:27The jam is not jam.
15:28The raspberry spread.
15:29Maybe she sent some to Brooklyn and Nicola.
15:31They don't live far away, I think,
15:32because they live in LA, don't they?
15:33And the Sussexes live in Montecito.
15:35They've got to overlap, don't you think?
15:37I have a feeling it was the Paramount boss
15:39who Megan is good friends with brought them together,
15:41or there was some dinner party that they were all at.
15:43Well, think of the jam that's not jam.
15:45The jam.
15:46The spread being handed out.
15:48Yes.
15:48Hamptons and hamptons and hamptons of raspberry non-jam.
15:52I sometimes think with Harry,
15:53there's always a sense that he's a sort of knight of old on a mission
15:56and that he is kind of going to joust away at the press.
15:59Yes, and actually the language that he's used in the past
16:02is quite Arthurian.
16:03He's literally talked about slaying the dragon.
16:06That is how he, so in that kind of medieval imagery,
16:08you know, you can see him with a, you know,
16:10perhaps that the, in Windsor Castle,
16:13there's that suit of armour that fitted Henry VIII.
16:15You can almost see Harry kind of putting it on in the helmet
16:17and the visor down and getting the sword.
16:20Whenever I've spoken to Harry,
16:22sort of off camera, so to speak,
16:25he is absolutely someone who wears his heart on his sleeve.
16:28He's a very emotional guy,
16:29which I say is a, as a, as a positive.
16:32And he said to me, you know,
16:32Emily, I get out of bed every morning
16:34and I think, how can I serve?
16:37What can I do?
16:38How can I make things better?
16:40Which is brilliant.
16:41I mean, like, what an amazing kind of way to start your day.
16:44What an affirmation.
16:45He wants to kind of reform the British press.
16:49It's twofold.
16:50I think he wants to reform the British press.
16:52But which, you know, frankly,
16:54the British press don't have any money anymore.
16:57I mean, he's kind of fighting a case.
16:59The dragon's already dead.
17:00The dragon's dead.
17:01They've got no money that I know Leveson 2 didn't happen,
17:05but the British press are pretty well behaved
17:09and very much at heel because they have to be.
17:13But the other thing for Harry is that it's a personal,
17:17and it's a personal mission,
17:19not just to try and help everybody else,
17:21but also because of his mother.
17:23In his evidence and in his witness statement,
17:25he talked about effectively how he believes the press killed his mother
17:29and he doesn't want the same thing to happen to him
17:32or, more importantly, his wife.
17:35Look, what Harry and William as children went through
17:38at the hands of the paparazzi was horrific.
17:42And I don't think we will, well, I hope we'll never,
17:44but I think we'll ever see that happen again.
17:48You know, Harry, it's instrumental that William and Catherine
17:52and their three children can go about their private life
17:55and we know nothing about it.
17:57It's even more impressive in the age of the smartphone,
18:00that nothing is on social media.
18:02You never see pictures printed of Charlotte, George and Louis.
18:06I think I can totally understand why Harry feels the way he does.
18:11The press killed his mum,
18:13how he feels that he doesn't want anything to happen
18:15to anyone else again.
18:15But I really do feel that he's fighting a fight
18:19that is 15 years out of date.
18:22And also it's a risky fight in the sense that royals in the witness stand
18:26is an uncomfortable situation to be in, in lots of ways, isn't it?
18:31I mean, I know, I'm trying to think,
18:32you hardly ever get that, don't you?
18:35Yeah, it's interesting because he said in his witness statement
18:38and in his evidence, you know,
18:39I was part of the institution that never complained, never explained.
18:42But that's not true, Richard.
18:45It's interesting.
18:46Yeah, I mean, look, it's, I quite like his kind of,
18:48or who maybe Sherbans or the solicitors theatrics of, you know,
18:52invoking that famous, you know, never complain, never explain.
18:55Unlike us, Richard, with catching up with the royals,
18:57we always explain.
18:59I quite like to complain too.
19:01You complain.
19:01You complain.
19:02I'll explain.
19:03But he said that he was part of this institution,
19:07never complained, never explained.
19:08But actually, I mean, as recently as last year,
19:11the Prince and Princess of Wales, William and Catherine,
19:13sued a French magazine for printing pictures of them
19:17on a ski holiday in Colchevelle in France.
19:21Famously, infamously, when a paparazzo photographer
19:24took pictures of Kate sunbathing topless in her,
19:28in, you know, in a private chateau that belonged
19:33to Viscount Lindley, they sued the French and the Italian magazines
19:37that printed those pictures.
19:40Charles, now king, but when he was Prince of Wales,
19:42he sued the men on Sunday for invasion of privacy
19:45when they printed his personal, those infamous Black Spider letters.
19:51So there is form for the royals to take recourse to the courts.
19:57It's just that it doesn't happen very often.
19:59And it was a bit of a PR spin, I thought, from Harry
20:03to try and suggest that the institution never complains,
20:08never explains, because that's just not true.
20:10The king can't do it now, though, can he?
20:12And that was the reason, I think, why the king didn't see Harry
20:15while Harry was in London last week.
20:19Unusually, Buckingham Palace briefed
20:21that the king would not be seeing Harry.
20:24I think, you know, at the beginning of January,
20:26we all knew that Harry was going to come over
20:28and be there for the first week of the trial,
20:31stand shoulder to shoulder with the other claimants.
20:34But Buckingham Palace briefed that the king wouldn't see his son
20:38because the king didn't want to get kind of caught up
20:42in any of the court battles.
20:45And for me, the battles that Harry...
20:48Harry has been using the British court system,
20:52both to try and get his security reinstated,
20:54his taxpayer-funded security,
20:56and for his battle against the British press,
20:58he's been using the British court system to complain
21:02and to complain vociferously, as is his right as a private citizen.
21:06But the monarch, he's head of the British judiciary.
21:09He cannot be seen to be taking sides.
21:12And he, the king, I think, in his sort of role
21:15as head of the institution, not as paterfamilias,
21:18not as father, but as paterfamilias of the institution,
21:21took the decision that he could not see his son
21:24whilst Harry was engaging in all this litigation
21:27because it was just too dangerous.
21:29It's another way that we sort of agonise with them
21:31over their horrible family relationships
21:33and how difficult it is.
21:34But of course, there is always this constitutional,
21:38dynastic element in it.
21:39It's not just people, is it?
21:40There are also roles, and those roles
21:42are absolutely fundamental to the way our state functions.
21:47Totally.
21:47And I think on a personal level,
21:49you can have a huge amount of sympathy
21:50for Harry, for William, for Charles.
21:53I mean, this is a, you know,
21:55personal family psychodrama writ large,
21:57and apparently it's now very fashionable
21:59to kind of cut off your parents or cut off your family.
22:03Well, Brooklyn has seemed to be working hard on that front.
22:06I know, and apparently it's a real trend in America
22:09to sort of, to estrangement.
22:11But my sense, and what my sources tell me,
22:14is that the king does want a relationship with his son.
22:17He does want to see his grandchildren.
22:19I mean, I think he's only met Archie twice,
22:21and Lilibet once.
22:23Harry, we know, has publicly said
22:26he wants to make up with his family.
22:28So there's a real kind of sense that,
22:30certainly for the king and Harry,
22:32that they do want to reconcile,
22:35and they do want to see each other.
22:36But as you say, there's always that issue for Charles,
22:40that he's not just a father.
22:43He's not just a grandfather.
22:45He is the representation of the institution.
22:49D.O.M. Mandois, God, am I right?
22:51He is, you know, the head of the firm.
22:54And that probably always top trumps being Harry's dad.
22:57Can you imagine them drawing a line
22:59and just sort of resetting and just think,
23:03OK, all this turbulence in the past,
23:05we'll just consider that all done.
23:07Let's just try and move on and reconcile
23:11and try to find a way of being together.
23:15Well, it would be lovely to think, wouldn't it?
23:17I hope so, yeah.
23:18I mean, I think also it's very easy to become a casualty
23:23of an institution like the monarchy,
23:25I think, of the royal family, certainly.
23:27You just hope there's a place
23:28where you could maybe heal a bit.
23:31Charles is a very spiritual man,
23:33and he takes great solace in faith.
23:36And of course, what does, well, forgive me, Richard,
23:38you are the expert here, but my take on faith,
23:41one of the great tenets of any religion, is forgiveness.
23:44Yeah.
23:45So?
23:47Well, I mean, I just hope there's a way
23:48that they can work that out,
23:50because I think it would be better for everybody.
23:52I mean, the House of Windsor,
23:53it keeps on giving with the family drama.
23:56So after the break,
23:57we're going to move to another of the King's relatives
24:00who's been in the headlines,
24:02Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
24:05But before then, now, Richard,
24:06do you know, if you want to catch up with the Royals,
24:09where on social media would you be going?
24:11Well, I'm very glad you asked that.
24:13I would go to all the places on social media
24:15where I would connect with shows such as this.
24:18Do you know I can do that on a Thursday?
24:20Or YouTube, why not go there?
24:21Yeah, Instagram.
24:23No, all the usual places,
24:24but also, of course, on five on a Saturday.
24:26I know, on five, on a Saturday,
24:28which is pretty cool.
24:29I have a question for you.
24:31Okay.
24:32Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor,
24:33as we know, in Disgraced,
24:35the former Prince Andrew,
24:36he's moving to the Sandrum Estate,
24:39but he's not allowed to take a certain thing with him.
24:45What do you think that could be?
24:46So, Richard, I'd like you to cogitate
24:48and come up with some answers for me after the break.
24:52Well, I've sketched some already.
24:54So, Richard.
25:06Yeah.
25:06I can't wait for your answers
25:09to the question that I posed before the break,
25:11which was,
25:12what one thing is Andrew banned
25:16from taking or keeping
25:18when he moves to the Sandringham Estate?
25:21I've got two.
25:22Oh, go on then.
25:23The first one is his 72 teddy bears,
25:25because now, in his reduced circumstances,
25:27who's got time to arrange his 72 teddy bears?
25:30He can't have the housekeeper to do it for him.
25:33The other one, though,
25:34and I think I read this somewhere,
25:35is that the Queen has no cats rule.
25:37The late Queen had no cats rule at Sandringham.
25:39So, does that mean you can't take the cat?
25:41You're absolutely right.
25:42You cannot have a cat on the Sandringham Estate.
25:46It's the private estate of the royals.
25:49So, it's owned by the Windsor family,
25:51unlike Windsor Castle or Buckingham Palace,
25:53which is owned by the state for the monarch.
25:56And, yeah, no cats.
25:57Why?
25:58I think it's because of the pheasants,
25:59because Sandringham is a big shooting estate.
26:02Right.
26:02And, obviously, the cats would stalk the pheasants
26:05and kill them.
26:06You can eat all you want buffet for them.
26:08Exactly.
26:09Yeah.
26:09Exactly.
26:09But dogs are allowed.
26:11So, because, of course,
26:13Andrew and Fergie had the late Queen's two corgis.
26:17Yes.
26:18And so, I genuinely don't know
26:21who is going to be taking the corgis.
26:22I imagine, I'm told,
26:24that it's likely that it'll be Andrew
26:25who's taking the dogs.
26:26Because he has been stripped of everything.
26:28I mean, a quick recap.
26:29I'm sure people don't need to be reminded.
26:31But, obviously, you know,
26:33he was the second son of the monarch.
26:39The favourite son.
26:40The favourite son.
26:41He was the spare, the original spare.
26:44He was good looking.
26:45He served in the Royal Navy with distinction,
26:47fought in the Falklands,
26:48came back with a rose between his teeth,
26:50had the, you know,
26:51she was jolly hockey sticks, Sarah Ferguson.
26:54The marriage didn't work out,
26:55but they were held up as, you know,
26:57really good parents to Eugenie and Beatrice.
26:59And, yes, Fergie had her issues
27:03with persona non grata with Prince Philip.
27:06But Andrew represented Britain around the world.
27:11He was a working royal.
27:13He had all these charitable interests
27:17and represented the armed forces,
27:19various regiments.
27:20And then, Geoffrey Epstein's scandal,
27:23he was imprisoned.
27:25And, really, it took kind of 10 years
27:27for the disgrace,
27:30the full disgrace,
27:31of the man formerly known as Prince Andrew.
27:34Nonetheless, of course,
27:34the allegations against him,
27:35he completely denies.
27:37Last year,
27:39after Virginia Dufresne's very tragic suicide
27:43and the publication of her autobiography
27:47was kind of the final nail in the coffin.
27:50And, actually, the royal family,
27:52I think, dealt with it very, very badly.
27:55I think they were desperately trying
27:56to contain this.
27:58And it's been going on.
28:00And reacting.
28:00But, actually, you know,
28:02the way it was handled last autumn
28:05was an absolute playbook
28:06in how not to do PR.
28:08Because I think people might have forgotten,
28:11because now, of course,
28:11he's been stripped of his titles
28:12and his home and everything.
28:13But, actually,
28:14what happened two weeks before that
28:16was that Buckingham Palace
28:18put out a statement
28:20in Andrew's own words
28:22saying that he was voluntarily
28:24not using the Duke of York title.
28:27I mean, he wasn't being stripped of anything.
28:29He was just saying,
28:30I'm not going to use the title.
28:32But, crucially,
28:33he didn't say anything
28:34about the victims.
28:37Andrew said he would essentially
28:38dedicate his life to good works
28:40and to try and help victims
28:42of sex trafficking
28:44and domestic slavery.
28:46And, of course,
28:47we haven't seen that at all.
28:49How's that going?
28:49Yeah.
28:50Exactly.
28:50And that is very problematic for me,
28:53because that was just a carapace,
28:56wasn't it?
28:56It was his lawyers who just,
28:57or whomever,
28:58at the expense of PRs.
29:00So, extraordinary lack of self-awareness,
29:02extraordinary lack of insight.
29:04He's going to have,
29:05I imagine,
29:06some stretches of time
29:07in front of him
29:07where he's going to
29:08eventually have to
29:09confront that stuff.
29:10Absolutely.
29:11And it's problematic
29:12in two main areas.
29:14One,
29:14it's problematic
29:15for the reputation
29:16of the royal family.
29:17I mean,
29:17the king didn't act decisively,
29:20in my opinion,
29:20but,
29:22at the end,
29:24he did draw a very firm line under it
29:27by de-princing him.
29:28It's internal exile.
29:30Yeah.
29:31I was going to say rusticated.
29:32He's been exiled in it.
29:33Rusticated.
29:34I know.
29:34I didn't even go to boarding school.
29:36He's been exiled in his own country.
29:38What I don't understand here,
29:40Emily,
29:40is why doesn't he just go to Abu Dhabi
29:42and play golf all day?
29:44Because he would find,
29:45I think,
29:46a home there,
29:47wouldn't he?
29:48Yeah.
29:48And he can just,
29:49you know,
29:50he would be out of the,
29:51do you think that his desire
29:52to stay in the UK
29:53is partly that he does still
29:55want to respond
29:58to these allegations
29:59to restore his reputation?
30:01I do think he wants to see
30:02his family,
30:03his daughters
30:04and his grandchildren.
30:06Eugenie's got two young sons.
30:08Beatrice has got
30:09two young daughters.
30:10And in fact,
30:10interestingly,
30:12this week,
30:13there was some new
30:13pictures published
30:14of Beatrice horse riding
30:17with her father
30:19and her elder daughter,
30:21Sienna.
30:22Sienna was on horseback,
30:23Beatrice was walking
30:24and her father
30:25was riding out in front.
30:26And that was some,
30:27that was very,
30:28to my mind,
30:29very staged
30:30royal choreography
30:31because there's been stories,
30:33there was a story
30:34a couple of weeks ago
30:34in the Mail on Sunday
30:35that usually completely
30:37cut her family off,
30:39her parents off,
30:40has done a bit of a,
30:41you know,
30:41a Brooklyn.
30:42She's a younger daughter.
30:43Yes,
30:44Eugenie's the younger one,
30:45the brunette,
30:46and the elder one,
30:47Beatrice,
30:47the redhead.
30:48She was kind of trying
30:50to tread a fine line
30:51between staying in
30:54with the royals,
30:55as in,
30:55you know,
30:56the king
30:56and Prince William,
30:58her cousin,
30:59but also sort of,
31:01you know,
31:01being there for her family.
31:03I think in reality,
31:04what I have been told
31:06is that Eugenie
31:06hasn't cut
31:07her parents off
31:09and that she has
31:11seen her father
31:12recently,
31:12but obviously
31:13it is tricky
31:14for both girls
31:15because they have
31:17got reputations
31:18to bolster
31:21and look after
31:22as well.
31:23And a commitment
31:24to charities
31:24that are particularly
31:26concerned with the victims
31:27of that kind of
31:28sexual predatory behavior.
31:29Eugenie in 2017
31:31set up the
31:32Anti-Slavery Collective.
31:33Do you think
31:34this is a scene
31:35that is going
31:35to be exhausted
31:36as far as
31:37the media is concerned
31:38or do you think
31:38this one is going
31:39to run and run
31:40and run?
31:41What do you think?
31:43I don't know.
31:44I think it's going
31:44to be very difficult
31:45to manage.
31:46I just,
31:46how do you,
31:48how do you solve
31:48a problem like
31:49Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor?
31:50I don't know.
31:51So I,
31:52I've never met
31:53Andrew Richard.
31:55I've been on
31:55engagements with him.
31:56Have you,
31:56have you,
31:57I've observed him.
31:58Have you ever?
31:58I have.
31:59I was at Pitch at the Palace.
32:01Oh, were you?
32:01The whole Pitch at the Palace thing.
32:03Yeah, no, I was there
32:03and I mean,
32:04I sort of said hello
32:05and then he made
32:06a surprisingly good speech actually
32:08because of course
32:08it was before
32:09there were any allegations
32:11of this kind of
32:11misconduct around him.
32:13Although there was
32:13already a sense
32:14that his work
32:15as a trade envoy
32:16had not always
32:19been entirely
32:20in step
32:20with what the
32:21Foreign Office
32:21or various
32:23government departments
32:23wanted for him.
32:24If necessary,
32:25he could always
32:26run to Mummy
32:27and Mummy would say,
32:28okay,
32:29infamously.
32:30That's what happened
32:30with the Newsnight interview.
32:32Emily Maitlis
32:32interviewed him
32:33in Buckingham Palace
32:34and the Queen
32:35and no one said,
32:37you cannot do this.
32:38A lot of courtiers
32:39thought it was a very bad idea
32:40but no one did
32:41because he just said,
32:42oh, I've spoken to Mummy.
32:44I mean,
32:44well, what can you say?
32:45Her sun shines on you
32:47but actually
32:48in the wider court
32:49and the wider family
32:50eyes of the world,
32:50you've not got
32:51a clearly defined role.
32:52Maybe that does
32:53kind of drive you
32:54bananas after a while.
32:56Well, I guess
32:57we've got Harry's words,
32:58haven't we?
32:59Harry's words
32:59as, you know,
33:00spare.
33:01I think the problem
33:03and it will be
33:04and it's a problem
33:05I know
33:06that William and Catherine
33:07really think about
33:08a lot
33:08for their three children.
33:10The institution
33:11is very set up
33:12for the next heir,
33:16in this case,
33:17George,
33:17but what about
33:19Charlotte and Louis
33:20and those feelings
33:21of kind of,
33:22I mean,
33:22you know,
33:22Diana tried to raise
33:23both her sons equally.
33:25That was a very noble thought
33:28but Harry and William
33:29were never equal
33:30and were never going
33:31to be equal.
33:32And there's a point,
33:33I guess,
33:33where they both realise it.
33:36Yeah.
33:37That, I mean,
33:37sibling relationships
33:39are difficult enough
33:40but if one of them
33:41all of a sudden
33:41is told your destiny
33:43is to sit on the throne
33:44and wear this crown
33:45and have this golden stick
33:47and the other one
33:48thinks,
33:48what do I get?
33:50You can ride a horse.
33:52Yeah.
33:52You can go visit Slough
33:54on a wet Wednesday.
33:56Well,
33:56we're going to have
33:56a break now.
33:57Don't forget,
33:57you can catch up
33:58with us catching up
33:59with the royals
34:00every Thursday
34:01wherever you get
34:01your podcasts from
34:02on YouTube
34:03and every Saturday
34:03on 5.
34:04But we're going to
34:04leave you
34:05with a question
34:06and it's this.
34:091992.
34:11It was a terrible year.
34:12Three royal marriages
34:13burned down
34:14and so did Windsor Castle.
34:15The Queen famously
34:16described it as being
34:17what.
34:18What was 1992
34:19back after this?
34:31Welcome back
34:32to Catching Up
34:33with the Royals
34:34and the answer
34:34to the question
34:35we posed before the break.
34:36The Queen called it
34:37her Anus Horribilis
34:39dreadful year.
34:41How's this year
34:42going to look,
34:43do you think?
34:43Well,
34:44I hope it's going to be
34:44an Anus Mirabilis.
34:46That would be good,
34:46wouldn't it?
34:47That would be good.
34:47We could all use
34:48a bit of a miracle.
34:48We could all use
34:49a miracle.
34:49That's what you're
34:50here for,
34:50isn't it?
34:51Well,
34:51I mean,
34:52I feel a bit
34:53that it's beyond
34:54my remit this one
34:55because it's such
34:56a tough one.
34:56But there are
34:57some remarkable
34:58things that could
34:58be happening.
34:59I mean,
34:59I'm thinking
35:00in particular
35:00of the handling
35:01of the President
35:02of the United States.
35:04Careful.
35:05Yeah.
35:05Needs to be careful
35:06handling.
35:07Yes,
35:08well,
35:08the King and Queen
35:09are scheduled
35:10to be visiting
35:12the States
35:13in April
35:13as part
35:15of the 250
35:16anniversary
35:17celebration,
35:19commiseration
35:19of American
35:21independence
35:22when they chucked
35:23all our tea
35:23in the river
35:24and said,
35:25oi you,
35:26you English people
35:27and your royal
35:27family get lost.
35:29Other histories
35:30are available.
35:30Other histories
35:31are available.
35:33And so,
35:34yeah,
35:34it's rather bizarre,
35:35isn't it,
35:35that the King and Queen
35:36should be going
35:37to celebrate
35:38the fact
35:39that they were
35:41chucked out
35:43of the American
35:44colonies.
35:45But,
35:46to go back
35:47to your point
35:47about Trump,
35:49he is in his
35:49second term
35:50as US President
35:51and he loves
35:52the British royal
35:53family.
35:54I mean,
35:54we saw that
35:54lavish
35:55second state
35:57visit
35:57and the banquet
35:59at Windsor
36:00Castle last
36:00The first state
36:01visit was pretty
36:01lavish too.
36:02I know.
36:03And he's,
36:03as he said,
36:04an unprecedented
36:05honour.
36:06I'm not going
36:06to do the accent,
36:07it's too cringe.
36:08The protocol is,
36:09Richard,
36:09is that if you
36:10get a first
36:11state visit,
36:12well,
36:13a first,
36:13there's only one.
36:14And even if you
36:15get a second term,
36:16They dial it down
36:17a bit.
36:17They dial it down,
36:18you come and have
36:18a cup of tea.
36:19So,
36:19but obviously,
36:20we had to pull
36:21something out of
36:22our arsenal and
36:23so we invited
36:23Trump for a
36:24second state visit.
36:24But the thing
36:26is,
36:26Trump is,
36:27I think,
36:28unpredictable would
36:29be one of the
36:30words we could
36:30use.
36:30It's a good word,
36:31yeah.
36:31And he shoots
36:32from the hip.
36:33Yeah.
36:35But it's been
36:36quite tricky,
36:37I think,
36:37this proposed
36:38visit.
36:39The moment it's
36:39still going ahead,
36:40the recce has
36:41been,
36:41I think I
36:42mentioned earlier
36:42about how
36:43officials go and
36:44do sort of
36:45like a recce
36:46for tours or
36:47engagements.
36:48So they go and
36:48kind of run
36:49through,
36:49say,
36:50100 engagements,
36:51they whittle
36:51those engagements
36:52down to maybe
36:5320 or 30
36:54that the
36:55royal will
36:56do.
36:57And it's
36:58problematic because
36:59of course,
37:00the king is not
37:00just king of
37:02the UK,
37:03he's king of
37:04Canada.
37:05And Trump has
37:06said that he
37:06wants to annex
37:07Canada as the
37:0951st state.
37:10So the more
37:10belligerent Trump
37:11gets towards
37:12Canada,
37:13the more difficult
37:15it is for the
37:16king of Canada
37:16to go and make
37:17nice.
37:17Absolutely.
37:18And I'm told
37:19by sources that
37:20Charles has not
37:22held back with
37:23his opinion.
37:24And I think
37:25that whilst
37:27obviously our
37:28royal family is
37:29kind of,
37:29you know,
37:29the ultimate
37:30Trump card,
37:31because I don't
37:31think any other
37:32country in the
37:34world can offer
37:35what we offer.
37:37I mean,
37:37other royal
37:38families are
37:39available,
37:39of course,
37:40but the British
37:41royal family is
37:42kind of preeminent
37:42in terms of
37:43kind of status
37:44and bling.
37:45And Trump's
37:46mother was a
37:46Scot,
37:46of course.
37:46And Trump's
37:47mother was a
37:47Scot.
37:48So we do
37:50have that.
37:52But,
37:53you know,
37:53when Trump
37:53came out
37:54and made
37:54that statement
37:55about NATO
37:57and said
37:58that the
38:00European
38:01partners in
38:02NATO were
38:03like behind
38:03the line
38:04and we
38:04didn't fight
38:04effectively,
38:05I mean,
38:06that was
38:06deeply,
38:07deeply
38:07disrespectful.
38:09Prince Harry
38:09was one of
38:09the first
38:10to respond
38:10to it.
38:11And I
38:11thought that
38:11was really
38:12interesting
38:12because 457
38:14people died
38:16in Afghanistan
38:17when we
38:18answered
38:19America's
38:19call after
38:209-11.
38:22And as Harry
38:22pointed out,
38:23and I thought
38:23it was very
38:24interesting that
38:25Harry even
38:25issued that
38:26statement because
38:27of course,
38:27had he still
38:28been a
38:29serving member
38:29of the
38:30royal family,
38:31he couldn't
38:31have said
38:32anything.
38:32because that's
38:33a political
38:34statement against
38:35an elected
38:36president.
38:37And whatever
38:37you think
38:38about Trump,
38:39it is politics.
38:41And so the
38:42other thing
38:42that was very
38:42interesting is
38:43that it was
38:45let known
38:47or journalists
38:48found out
38:49that the
38:50king's opinion
38:52and displeasure
38:53was effectively
38:54communicated to
38:56Trump about
38:57what he said
38:58about NATO
38:59as well,
39:00because within
39:0124 hours
39:03of his comments
39:04he'd spoken
39:05to our
39:05Prime Minister
39:06Keir Starmer
39:07and he had
39:08then been
39:09told about
39:10the king's
39:11displeasure
39:12about what
39:14he had said.
39:15And the
39:15dilemma it put
39:16him into.
39:16Yeah,
39:17and the
39:17dilemma,
39:17and he
39:18completely
39:18climbed down.
39:19He came
39:19in on his
39:20truth social,
39:21was suddenly
39:21saying that
39:22the UK was
39:23amazing,
39:23that our
39:24troops were
39:24fantastic,
39:25that we'd
39:25been very
39:26brave,
39:27et cetera,
39:27et cetera.
39:28It's interesting,
39:28isn't it,
39:29that with
39:29someone who
39:30is so
39:30powerful,
39:31and yet so
39:31volatile,
39:32and so
39:32unpredictable,
39:33what works?
39:34Stroking him.
39:35Stroking him.
39:36It's like
39:36Blofield's cat.
39:38And there's
39:38no stroker
39:39like the
39:39British Royal
39:40family,
39:40is there?
39:40So this
39:41is an
39:41interesting,
39:42potentially
39:43powerful thing.
39:44Well,
39:45lovely stroking,
39:46if I may say
39:47so,
39:47but we've got
39:47a special
39:48thing now
39:48for everyone
39:49who's joining
39:50us.
39:50More stroking?
39:51Well,
39:51no,
39:52what we want
39:52to do is
39:52know your
39:53questions.
39:53What would
39:54you like
39:54to know?
39:54Email them
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40:02and then we'll
40:02ask them,
40:03and we'll find
40:03out the answer
40:04to your question.
40:04Now,
40:04we haven't had
40:05time,
40:05it's our
40:05first one,
40:05so we've
40:06been asking
40:06around the
40:06office,
40:07and you've
40:07got the
40:07box.
40:08Okay,
40:09so yeah,
40:09we'd love
40:09to hear
40:10from you.
40:11Even if
40:11you've
40:11just got
40:12some
40:12questions
40:12for
40:13Richard
40:13or I,
40:14it's
40:14royals
40:15at
40:15spirit-studios.com,
40:19and you
40:19could be
40:20in the
40:20box.
40:21So,
40:22I think
40:22Olivia,
40:23in the
40:23office,
40:23we did
40:24a little
40:24bit of a
40:24whip round.
40:27So let's
40:27see.
40:28Oh,
40:28hang on,
40:28here we go,
40:29here we go.
40:30It's a prop.
40:31I mean,
40:31what could
40:32possibly go
40:32wrong?
40:34I can't get
40:34the question
40:36out.
40:38Okay.
40:39It's like the
40:39Brits.
40:40I know,
40:40it's like the
40:40Brits.
40:41Right,
40:42okay,
40:43here we go.
40:44Right,
40:45so Olivia
40:45in the
40:46office wants
40:47to know,
40:48given all the
40:49drama we've
40:49had over the
40:50last year with
40:51Andrew and
40:52also Harry,
40:53I wanted
40:53to know,
40:54can the
40:55monarch remove
40:55someone from
40:56the line of
40:57succession?
40:58What do you
40:59think?
40:59Well,
41:00you know,
41:01the answer is
41:01always no,
41:02and then it
41:02turns out to
41:03be yes.
41:04But these
41:04have to be
41:04done.
41:05There's a
41:05thing called
41:05letters patent,
41:06which I think
41:07the monarch can
41:07do on his or
41:08her initiative.
41:09But there's
41:10also something
41:11that can only
41:11be done by
41:11statute and
41:12act of
41:12parliament.
41:13Normally,
41:14if something
41:14needs to be
41:15done,
41:15they'll find
41:15a way,
41:16right?
41:16You're
41:16absolutely
41:17right.
41:17It's always
41:18a yes and
41:18no answer.
41:19Technically,
41:20it's a no.
41:21The monarch
41:21can't remove
41:23anyone from
41:23the line of
41:24succession
41:24because that
41:25has to be
41:25an act of
41:26parliament.
41:28But the
41:29monarch can
41:30change things
41:32without, as you
41:33say,
41:33a letters
41:33patent.
41:33The last
41:34example of
41:35which was
41:36when Catherine
41:37was pregnant
41:38with, as we
41:40now know,
41:40Prince George
41:41and the late
41:43Queen issued
41:44a letters
41:44patent to
41:46say that
41:47regardless of
41:48the baby's
41:49gender,
41:50he or she
41:51would keep
41:52their line
41:53in succession
41:55because before
41:56George's birth,
41:57had George
41:58been a girl
41:58and then a
41:59boy been
42:00born as
42:00Kate Williams
42:02number two,
42:02that boy
42:03would have
42:03leapt frog the
42:05girl in terms
42:06of being
42:06heir.
42:07Male
42:07primogeniture.
42:08Male
42:08primogeniture,
42:09exactly.
42:10And I think
42:10there was also
42:11a letters
42:11patent about,
42:12there was a
42:13law which,
42:15as we know,
42:16because of
42:16Henry VIII
42:17and the
42:17accession from
42:19the church
42:20in Rome
42:20in the
42:2116th century,
42:22in the 15th
42:23century,
42:23Emily,
42:24in the 16th
42:25century,
42:25in the 16th
42:26century.
42:27Oh, thanks
42:27Richard,
42:28what would I
42:28do without
42:28you?
42:29In the 16th
42:30century,
42:30Catholics
42:32were banned
42:33from marrying
42:35into the
42:36royal family.
42:37And I think
42:38you're not
42:38allowed to be
42:39Catholic and
42:40be obviously
42:41head of the
42:41Church of
42:41England,
42:42but the
42:43letter patent
42:44was changed
42:45so that you
42:45can be
42:47Catholic and
42:47marry into
42:48the royal
42:48family.
42:49There are
42:49examples of
42:50people previously
42:51having to
42:52convert to
42:53Church of
42:54England.
42:54Well,
42:54Richard,
42:55I have to
42:56say,
42:56I've had
42:57such fun
42:58with you
42:58today.
42:59It's been
43:00a revelation.
43:01Well,
43:01it's been a
43:02pleasure as
43:02well.
43:03Oh,
43:03thanks.
43:04Shall we
43:05do it all
43:06again next
43:06Thursday?
43:07I think so.
43:08Same time,
43:08same place.
43:09Same time,
43:10same place.
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43:30We would
43:30love to
43:31hear your
43:31comments.
43:32Yes,
43:33I'd like to
43:34second that
43:34in every
43:35respect.
43:36Go to the
43:37internet,
43:37people,
43:38and press
43:38all your
43:39buttons.
43:39Press the
43:40buttons!
43:41Can you
43:42press my
43:42buttons,
43:43Richard?
43:48Well,
43:48that's all
43:49from the
43:50programme
43:50that never
43:51complains,
43:52but always
43:53explains.
43:54See you next
43:54time.
43:55See you next
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