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00:12stop talking and listen no i am listening therapist said be a mom you just told me to ask
00:18you didn't you just ask me to explain it to you now you're telling me to listen so which one
00:23do
00:23you want you want me to listen or do you want me to tell you both communicate no you just
00:27told me
00:28to stop and listen so i'm listening well you had your i'm listening my mom and i just landed in
00:32colorado i'm hoping that this trip gives me a little bit of information answers about my biological dad
00:38but this trip is already hell because i don't want to be in the car anymore with my mom no
00:44it's just
00:44very toxic why didn't you ask him dakota why the fuck are you a fucking liar why wasn't anyone
00:50asking him that i don't know we didn't ask him that's why i'm asking we don't know i just told
00:54you an answer oh you don't know you shouldn't be with him that's the whole point sometimes i just
00:59want to be heard like just listen to and like there's always an opinion or advice and then maybe
01:05i just need to be more clear just listen and say nothing i'm sick of talking about dakota
01:10this isn't just about dakota no that's all that's all it is you're still hooked up on him no you
01:15are
01:15i hate no you you're hooked up on him you're still in love with him you are you want me
01:20to have respect
01:20for you but you never have respect okay but you want us to back you up but you can't even
01:26know
01:27i don't want you to back me don't back me up no then why are you pissed huh why are
01:31you pissed then
01:32i'm asking if you don't want us to back you up sir you haven't answered my goddamn question
01:35stop using the lord's name in vain please
01:40i want to go home so i'm going back to the airport i don't want to do this anymore
01:55i'm the one you've been dreaming of i've got everything you could ever want
02:03try me to see you out bring you to your knees baby you're gonna believe
02:16hey
02:20yeah
02:21yeah
02:22yeah
02:23yeah
02:24yeah
02:26yeah
02:26yeah
02:28yeah
02:52oh it's busy today
02:53i'm not gonna lie i feel like i would have a blast here
02:56i know
02:57this is one of those times where i'm like yeah i'll just go play with the kids and then you're
03:00like climbing by myself climbing up that thing
03:03dating as a single mom is incredibly challenging my boys are my whole world but things are going
03:08really good between me and mason we've been together five months officially and i'm really
03:13happy i let mason see my kids maybe once a week i just feel like until i know that he
03:20truly is in this for the right reasons he's not in the place yet to be a father figure
03:25around them
03:25what happened to your arms you have you look like an elephant with your trunk right here
03:31okay go over there
03:32go play
03:34go have fun bro
03:35do the slide this slide in the back do the rainbow slide
03:41the child needs some milk
03:43good job
03:46are you excited for new york
03:48yes
03:49it's gonna be fun
03:50i'm super excited because i'm going to new york tomorrow to pursue some things with modeling
03:53mason's also coming along with me to new york and i'm really excited to have them come support me
03:58i've been modeling since i was a little girl and i've done small shows and modeled for boutiques and
04:02things like that but i had to put a big hold on it being a mom but i am excited
04:08to be able to put myself first for a second
04:10i mean i don't have these legs for no reason you know they need to be on a runway
04:15i have a meeting lined up with ford like the modeling agency
04:18are you serious
04:19yeah
04:20are you nervous
04:21i'm excited but nervous
04:22just being able to get like a meeting with them is like a big deal so
04:26because they're like one of the bigger ones like in the world
04:29yeah
04:29right
04:30yeah
04:30that's sick
04:31i'm excited you're going to be there
04:33it's going to be a fun trip
04:34five more minutes okay
04:36okay go
04:37okay five minutes
04:38all of the girls are getting such cool opportunities like the girls dancing the stars and
04:42Taylor Lott Charette
04:44yeah
04:44and i kind of get my chance now just because i've been dreaming of doing modeling since i was little
04:51i gotta get dinner soon
04:54we should for sure go in five
04:57they can have like ten they're fine
05:00i did say five minutes a few seconds
05:02yeah but
05:04this is so
05:07what
05:09they're having fun dinner can wait
05:11maybe we should compromise call it seven
05:15no ten
05:16i just feel like with the kids sometimes
05:19hey can i have another five minutes another five minutes another five minutes
05:23you know like i feel like they just like push you and see how far they can get away with
05:26you
05:27sometimes and they just kind of get away with a lot
05:30it's like
05:31maybe
05:31who's controlling who a little bit
05:37yeah
05:38i guess i just feel like you should put your foot down a little bit more
05:41there definitely has been a few times in the past that Mason seems very annoyed with my boys
05:47i'm definitely scared to bring up these things with Mason i'm afraid it would potentially scare him off
05:52or i would come off too strong and he wouldn't know how to handle it
05:57i just i don't want to ruin the relationship before New York and i just don't want things to be
06:01awkward or heated or feel contention
06:03so i just don't think right now is the time to bring it up
06:25let's just try to get along while we're here we came all this way
06:32even though i did want to go home i still want to learn more about my biological father Brian
06:37so i want to sweep everything with my mom that just happened under the rug so we can actually be
06:41present here and get the most out of what we came for
06:44hi
06:45hi
06:45thank you for having us
06:46i'm steve lorenz
06:47taylor nice to meet you
06:49hey
06:49how are you
06:51he looks nice
06:52i've known steve since i was in high school he knew Brian throughout his life
06:57and he was probably the best resource for Taylor to ask any questions that she might have
07:05so let me start from the top or
07:06yeah go for it
07:07all right so Brian was just a great person
07:09super super super intelligent
07:11that's what everyone says about him
07:13super intelligent
07:14he was a tough kid
07:15he was also a Taurus i don't know if that matters
07:17so
07:17Taurus i don't know much about like the Taurus ones
07:19they're like have it
07:20bullheaded i guess yeah
07:21like a bull
07:22yeah
07:23just kind of like you know
07:24show them red and maybe they go crazy i don't know
07:26oh maybe that's where i get half of that from maybe
07:28and the other half of them
07:29i guess
07:32he used to fight a lot
07:33all the fights he got into they started it with him
07:35oh really
07:36yeah
07:36why
07:36i don't know
07:37that's how i feel
07:38everyone starts fights with me and i have to fight
07:41he ends up going to the marines
07:42after the basic training
07:44he comes back
07:45because that's two years before you're born
07:47and he gets in a horrible car accident
07:49and so he breaks his neck
07:51and that just changes everything
07:54he just never recovered
07:55so was he like pretty normal before that
07:57like
07:57super
07:58so he didn't even do drugs before that
08:00no
08:00i think it would have been different
08:01he was like really happy in like in high school like that jock
08:04nothing
08:05super cool straight leg
08:06yeah football
08:07healthy
08:08smart
08:08strong
08:10how old
08:10so when was the car accident how old was he
08:12um
08:12probably 19
08:13Brian and i met when i was 15
08:15the car accident he was in changed him completely
08:19but i stayed with him i felt like i was in love with him
08:22Brian had that hold on me that i i feel like dakota has on taylor
08:27Brian got the worst of it he was in the backseat broke his neck um
08:3093 rolls around and he discovered cocaine
08:34yeah
08:36and
08:37well then crystal meth comes in at some point in the late 90s just never it's just
08:41it breaks my heart it always did and i always try to like help him out i just know he
08:46had an overdose in 2015
08:48oh wow i didn't know he didn't know
08:49i think that just sent him down because he was gone about a year later
08:53it's wild
08:55it's a lot to take in
08:56yeah
08:57um
09:00i don't know
09:00how is this for you
09:01is it just like a kind of a blur
09:04i know
09:04i feel like you don't remember like anything about him
09:06i remember him but i mean they're just i remember fighting most of the time
09:10yeah
09:10so maybe it's not something you like to talk about
09:13i don't
09:14i don't know
09:15i just remember one incident i'm not going to say that on camera though but
09:18what
09:19what was it yeah
09:20the reservoir
09:21he was just kind of
09:23out of temper
09:23oh yeah
09:24i'll just say that
09:25if i recall i think he like kicked you in the stomach
09:27yeah
09:29like in front of everyone
09:30yeah
09:32it was a really toxic relationship
09:34yeah he was very jealous
09:35very jealous
09:36he dragged me out of a club one time
09:39hearing that my biological father he would like kick her in front of everyone you know
09:44it was really sad
09:45i just didn't know it was that extent so it makes me actually feel for her
09:48um because i think she just gets triggered
09:50and when she sees any toxicity in like my life and my relationship
09:54i think i need to give her that grace because i don't think she's ever been heard
09:58when i found out i was pregnant with taylor we had just broken up and then i find out i'm
10:02pregnant with her
10:03i didn't want anything to do with him and then after i had the baby we kind of got back
10:08together and then i'm like oh no
10:10because that's what he started doing
10:12so i do recall like drugs
10:13you met jeremy and then jeremy ended up adopting you right
10:16yeah
10:16and brian just i think at that point was just so far gone he was just like i'm just going
10:20to stay up
10:21let's
10:22kind of stay out of it
10:24jeremy came into our lives like at the lowest time of my life
10:28taylor was just a little over a year old
10:31and i feel that
10:33he saved me
10:34and i feel like that he saved taylor
10:37i brought some pictures here
10:40i brought you a handful of them
10:41oh
10:42that's so cool
10:43that's his senior picture you can kind of see
10:46i have his little smirk i do know that
10:48he reminds me a lot of my son that's crazy
10:51like my youngest which is
10:52yeah it's interesting
10:54it'd be his like little mini if he was here
10:56he walks like him too
10:57oh yeah
10:58it's weird
10:59i would always have dreams about him
11:02like even when i moved to utah that he was going to show up on our doorstep
11:05like for both of us
11:06but he never did
11:08i didn't know my mom feared brian um in that way
11:13there is a part of me that like wonders what else she hasn't told me
11:16what else was going on what else happened that you're not saying or maybe never will
11:21i think if he was still around he would have made peace with you by now or i just attempted
11:25to reach out
11:26um
11:27just wasn't his right mind
11:28he's a great guy
11:29i wouldn't take it personal for sure
11:43i would you look at this what looks good so far
11:48you know i'm trying to be festive
11:52i can't even pick these up
11:53these are so heavy
11:55jordan and i have just been really stuck
11:57i'm just trying to keep my head above water
11:59trying not to make any drastic moves right now while we figure it out
12:02but it is getting exhausting and i genuinely don't know what the right decision is
12:06how do you talk to dakota lately
12:08yeah i went over to his and saw his new house
12:10did you help him like decorate or anything
12:13uh no it's pretty much a bachelor's path
12:15i mean he did tell me he's seeing somebody
12:18really
12:19he told me that it's someone that we know but we don't
12:22but he won't tell me who it is
12:23huh
12:24so this girl you're seeing exclusively
12:26i've been playing a little bit with fire
12:28is she in taylor's circle
12:30well this isn't even
12:31yeah
12:32yeah
12:34and he won't tell you who it is
12:35he's being weird about it
12:36and it's someone we know
12:37is he serious
12:38yeah
12:39dakota's single and he can do whatever he wants
12:41but what worries me is taylor's mindset when she hears about him doing things
12:45because we all saw what happened when she heard about the dad talk trip to england
12:50i just want to know if you like enjoyed it
12:53taylor
12:55i'm freaking so sad
12:56he just says he likes her
12:57wait okay did he think that whoever it is would cause a problem with taylor
13:00i said on a scale of one to ten
13:03like how bad is it
13:05and he said a nine
13:07are you kidding
13:08yeah
13:10maybe it's miranda
13:12it's not mir- shut up
13:13it's not miranda
13:14i don't know
13:15but shania
13:17that was my first reaction was like is it shania and then he said no
13:21shania and taylor are incredibly close but they are close enough for shania to know that dakota's off limits
13:27because we were all just hanging out with shania at pickleball shania confided in taylor about the guy she was
13:32seeing and taylor consoled her and hugged her and was giving her advice
13:34update me what's the verdict
13:36he got back with his wife
13:38honestly like
13:38they moved back in together
13:39why
13:41because he found god
13:42i really hope it's not shania it would rattle so many friendships within mom talk
13:46do you have any other clues like who
13:48i mean i the other day we were going to the gym and i was seeing where he was because
13:52we were supposed to meet there and i saw that he was at this apartment complex in lehi
14:01and he was like oh it's just you know just this girl
14:10shania lives in lehi i'm pretty sure
14:12and if it's someone in the friend group that's miranda's best friend and she's been around taylor a lot
14:17and she comments on taylor's stuff and taylor comments on her stuff i just don't know who else it would
14:21be
14:21i'm starting to feel like the girl dakota's seeing could very well be shania
14:26i didn't think dakota would do something like this to piss taylor off but i'm also not surprised because everyone
14:31dakota chooses is someone that would piss taylor off
14:35how dumb is he like why does he keep doing shit like this
14:51i don't care for clout and i'm what your man still dreams about
14:59hi
15:01Brett
15:04i'm meeting with the agency for today to talk about my potential of signing with them
15:10this is a very cutthroat industry to be a part of
15:13modeling agencies are looking at you up and down and judging you if you're good enough for them or not
15:17and it's very hard but it's something i really want for myself super badly
15:21and being signed with one of the biggest agencies in the world would just be such an honor
15:25hello
15:26layla
15:26hi how are you nice to meet you i'm brett
15:29hi nice to meet you
15:30nice to meet you as well
15:31hi nice to meet you guys
15:32welcome to ford
15:33thank you for meeting with me
15:34absolutely absolutely do you want to come on in
15:36yeah of course
15:38so welcome to ford
15:39yeah so i'm from la i'm in the ford la team i'm the director over there
15:43i'm brett so i'm work here on the women's board here at ford i've been here for like 10 years
15:47now
15:47amazing
15:47yeah so almost a decade
15:49tell us a little bit about you
15:50i'm a mom of two little boys
15:53they're four and three they're like my whole world
15:56in terms of like modeling and those types of things i've been freelance modeling for
16:00probably like five-ish years now just like things here and there smaller boutiques here in utah
16:04but i've always had like a love for modeling ever since i was little i've always had like a dream
16:08of like being on a runway
16:10but i feel like i'm in the place right now that like i've done a lot of things booking things
16:14on my own and getting things started for myself
16:16but now i just feel like i need like guidance in this world it's just such a big world to
16:20navigate
16:20how was your book do you have like good images
16:22i have some good digitals that i have gotten yeah i haven't put together like an official book yet
16:26but i have a couple sets of digital
16:28so that would be another thing that we would want to do we have to test you work with different
16:32photographers and put together a book that then we would show clients
16:35is me coming out once a month to new york like a good amount or do you think i would
16:39need to
16:39i'll be honest with you we really would need a commitment from you of three or four months
16:44here on the ground where you're able to run to test shoots go on castings really get your foot in
16:49the door
16:50but it just takes a little bit of time to break into it and i feel like if you just
16:54come here once a month
16:55it's you're gonna go back and you're just gonna kind of reverse everything that you just
16:59have to start over hearing that i would have to move to new york for three months to complete my
17:04portfolio
17:04i would love to actually see your walk if you don't mind
17:07i don't know how i would do it with my boys and my relationship with mason
17:10but i'm also kind of like excited at the thought of it i think it would be worth it in
17:13the end
17:13moving forward uh we're gonna get together with the other agents and then figure out you know if we see
17:18you as a good fit for ford
17:20um and then we'll be in touch well it was so great meeting you thank you so much for coming
17:25in
17:26so much signing with ford would be life-changing for me with my modeling career i feel good about this
17:31and i don't know just fingers crossed that this goes a good way after all right thank you so much
17:36thanks so much for coming in
17:45thank you
17:46you look like a real man honey i think it's perfect i'm coming for whitney's job on the farm on
17:50the farm
17:51oh look at you dude you look cool
17:56you look hella straight with that off
17:57hella straight
17:58great
17:59today is the first day of the red west festival which is a country concert in utah jacob helped with
18:06the marketing so he got us all these tickets
18:08he gave dakota a vip pass and i yelled at him for it i'm like huh but taylor is in
18:15colorado right now
18:15i'm really looking forward to listening to some music having some fun without any drama
18:20hey you guys look at dakota nice to meet you i'm dakota
18:24nice to meet you
18:24nice to meet you
18:25on the way over jordan was like yeah dakota has like a roster of girls
18:28jordan said there's one in particular that like i think would pause an issue
18:32and i was like what do you mean and he's like i can't say that
18:35let's ask him
18:36ask jordan not dakota
18:37why not ask dakota because i don't want jordan to get mad
18:40jordan hasn't told me who this mystery person that dakota's talking to is and i feel like he's trying to
18:45protect dakota
18:46so for the sake of my marriage i shouldn't be saying anything but this is something that really could shake
18:51up taylor
18:52and how do i just keep this a secret
18:53so i said that there was like girls
18:56who's the girl just about to talk to
18:58so who's the girl that
18:59who's like the real bad about
19:01oh i'm not
19:06dakota's finally told me who he's been seeing and after the aftermath of the villa
19:10we can't tell you shit because you will tell her
19:12100%
19:14and she does every time
19:16i'm keeping my hands out of this and keeping my mouth shut
19:18so who's the girl that's gonna cause issues
19:21issues
19:22but taylor
19:22they're trying to figure out who another girl is dakota hooked up with or is dating or something
19:26so it must be someone consequential then
19:29are you lying
19:30no i mean like there is
19:31is jordan lying or you
19:32we don't care
19:33i have like
19:34i don't know if dakota is trying to play coy keeping this secret or if he's genuinely just terrified of
19:39us as he should be
19:40but clearly he's hiding something
19:42it's not like us to let that just slip under the radar
19:46it's time to go full fbi on this bitch
19:49full fbi
19:51so we're 100% gonna get to the bottom of it
19:53you guys know how jordan is
19:55jordan be safe look at him
19:56look at him right now
19:57he's over there probably gossiping right now about something
20:01about what
20:02about shania
20:03i feel like i have reason to believe it's shania
20:06i just don't know who else it would be
20:08i feel like as i start talking to dakota i'm just gonna pretend i know and call him out and
20:12see what happens
20:13okay so who is this
20:15no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna i don't really want
20:18i didn't say any
20:19like i know it's gonna come out so i just i don't want to be the one
20:23i don't want to be the one though
20:24i'll just say how i feel like honestly it's been like kind of cool actually
20:28so i'm kind of just like riding with it
20:29i don't want to say no
20:30to be fair it actually happened very like
20:33it doesn't matter how it happened
20:34it's a safe environment
20:36it is not
20:38it's not
20:39it's not
20:40it's not
20:41jesse you're gonna tell us
20:42jesse just saying
20:44can i say something
20:45no
20:46no
20:47it's shania
20:49shania
20:54shania
20:55i knew it i knew it
21:21right when i think dakota couldn't get any dumber he gets dumber
21:27i do think dakota is doing this just to get back at taylor and make her jealous and have her
21:31come running back to him
21:32she's randas
21:33she's randas best friend
21:35randas knows
21:35randas knows
21:36wow it makes it so much better
21:37i'm more pissed at her
21:38because she's friends with taylor
21:40no she's not
21:41yes she is
21:42shania's not friends with taylor
21:43she's a stagecoach
21:45yeah she made out with her and you don't like it
21:47i just didn't want this to come out before taylor
21:55yeah i agree
21:56taylor could fly off the handle over that and i think she would
21:59yeah
21:59and i see why i was scared
22:02am i scared for taylor to find out of course
22:05um i'm afraid of taylor finding out anything it doesn't matter what it is if i'm trying to talk to
22:10a girl i'm scared of taylor finding that out
22:12i just think you're not doing anything wrong you're single
22:14well there is something else that comes out down the road
22:17what does that mean
22:17god is in trouble
22:18he just said if anything else comes out
22:20that just was dumb i think i was just liking it kind of stupid
22:23what else did you do do you want my help or not
22:26do you need help
22:26hey then tell me what happened
22:28no no i can't tell you what happened
22:30i need to assess the situation
22:32taylor still reacts poorly to things that dakota does
22:35so i feel like his dating life is none of our business
22:38but we just don't want taylor crashing out
22:40and ruining her opportunity to go on bachelorette
22:42and hopefully find a guy who actually makes her happy and live a happy life
22:47now i'm nervous what is it
22:48i got two years and four months when it's over
23:06oh my gosh this is so weird
23:10oh this is just so wild
23:12it's been what 12 15 years for me
23:15that's nuts
23:16where do you want to go where other places do you want to visit
23:19should we go where i met brian for the first time
23:23yeah we can
23:24i kind of just want to see if anything will pop up in my head
23:27i did initially meet my biological father once when i was four at this restaurant
23:31you know that was the one time i had met him
23:32i don't really know necessarily what i'm looking for here
23:34but i think it's just let's just go and see you know what happens
23:43oh wow
23:45it's like it just looks so different
23:47yeah
23:49i guess it's not the same blue building i thought i was going to be
23:53oh
23:53it even looks different from the outside
23:55it does yeah
23:57yeah
23:58so weird huh
23:59yeah
24:01does that bring back any memories for you or no
24:03what
24:03that this place did you know you were going to see him
24:06no
24:07so you didn't know he worked here
24:08no
24:08oh my gosh so when you saw him what did you say to him
24:11i asked him if he wanted to meet you
24:13and he said yeah
24:14so that's why i called you over
24:16i remember like hi what's up
24:18yeah that was pretty much it
24:19that's probably like a huge thing to meet your kid that you haven't really talked to
24:23and
24:24was that weird for you
24:26yeah it was different
24:27what did you think that day
24:29i don't know
24:30going back to
24:31the place that taylor first met brian
24:34i see him meeting her
24:36i have this beautiful little four-year-old
24:40i want to introduce and i would want him to feel
24:43the same feelings that i have for this person but he never did
24:47you don't like to talk about him
24:49i just yeah i don't
24:51i don't
24:51i don't know
24:52i don't know do you like kind of get embarrassed
24:55no
24:55i just i don't know
25:00it's just a long time ago
25:03wasn't in a good part of my life
25:05it's not something like that i like to talk about
25:07taylor keeps asking questions about brian and i feel a little bit uneasy
25:15i don't want her to hurt anymore i guess i kept things from her because i want to protect her
25:21but i'm curious about it like i don't know
25:24i know but i'm maybe i'm not ready for that i would hope that you would respect that
25:32yeah like just respect whenever you're ready to talk about it or if you ever will be
25:36i know i might not ever be
25:38the fact that he's like kicked you in front of people is very
25:41i've gotten pulled
25:41yeah there's just a lot of stuff
25:44concern
25:45i just don't want to talk about it
25:48i think i need to take a walk
25:51it is frustrating to have my mom say she might not ever be able to open up to me
25:56but i do think it's healthy to do it and so that's why i'm encouraging her to
26:00because i just want her to feel hurt as well that's all
26:04um
26:16when i walk in the room like what you see
26:19when i make it look easy
26:24one two three all eyes on me
26:30hello
26:31hello
26:31hey
26:33how are you
26:33i'm so good how are you
26:35good how's dancing with the stars
26:37i'm not gonna lie i think this is this has been one of the hardest things we've ever done
26:41i mean
26:42really
26:42yeah i mean think about it having to you know do late night feedings breastfeeding
26:49while i'm gone dancing five to eight hours a day
26:52dancing with the stars has been one of the greatest experience for me it's also been one of the hardest
26:57oh my gosh i'm having a mental breakdown
26:59you know there's been a lot of times where i have felt inadequate
27:03eight
27:04ten
27:06eight
27:06all right
27:0732 out of 40 for jen and yon
27:09ten
27:11first tens of the season how are you feeling winning
27:13i'm out of breath i don't know what to say
27:15and i do have to remember that i just had a baby
27:20but i can't help but you know be hard on myself when this is everything to me
27:25how do you feel like yours and whitney's relationship has been doing dancing with the stars together
27:29you know what it's been it's been cordial
27:32i think the thing that i'm struggling with
27:35the most is you know how like things were left
27:39at the reunion
27:41um
27:42i do feel like whitney's still in denise corner
27:45she continues to call me a liar
27:47when
27:47she hasn't taken accountability
27:49i think you both played a role
27:51in where you are today
27:52i was defending myself
27:53i never went out of my way
27:55intentionally to hurt her
27:57it just feels like we're kind of putting on a fake
28:00yeah
28:01front
28:02for
28:03for the sake of not having drama
28:05and trying to focus on our journey
28:08so jen tells me that there's a little bit of tension between her and whitney
28:12mom talk is at a good place right now and i don't want it to affect the state of mom
28:16talk
28:16i just hope that they can sit down have a conversation and work out whatever issues they're having just like
28:21whitney and i did
28:22i miss you and honestly i'm excited to reunite once all of this craziness is is is
28:29i know we need a good coming tonight
28:31okay well i love you
28:32okay i love you
28:39you hungry?
28:40starving yeah
28:41can i get a glass of pina grigio?
28:43of course yeah
28:44yeah you got it
28:46thank you
28:47tell me about the forward interview
28:48i feel like the meeting overall went good
28:50they had me take some digitals and they filmed me doing my walk and stuff
28:53if they were to side me i would have to be here for like three months
28:58to like get things started
28:59taking digitals every day doing shoots every day
29:02i feel like i could make it work but it's still kind of scary
29:05just because what if i have like something important
29:08and then also still like mom talk at the end of the day like i still love all those girls
29:13and i want to be able to show up for them and all the things that they have going on
29:15i feel like that would be kind of like hard on our relationship too
29:17so it's definitely something i need to like think about long term
29:21but new york is like my dream
29:23i want to do high fascia and i want to do like the bigger names and things like that
29:28so i don't want to get my hopes up
29:30definitely there's a lot of anxiety around it
29:31two months away that's a long time
29:35would you like come and visit me as much as you could?
29:39new york?
29:39yeah
29:40oh yeah
29:42oh yeah
29:43or would you have to like stay behind to like be a stepdaddy?
29:47i'm just kidding
29:49no your kids are cute as fuck
29:50i'll for sure watch them
29:53i don't know if i'm ready for that
29:55like all jokes aside i don't know
29:57i think the thought of having to move away for three months when i'm just at the start of my
30:01relationship with mason is really hard
30:02and i feel like right now we're in the state that we're still trying to get to know each other
30:06and kind of in the honeymoon phase
30:07however i definitely think i would need mason's support to make this work
30:11and this makes me feel like i need to talk to him about him and the kids relationship
30:15like when my boys get crazy sometimes i feel like your patience is like smaller from sometimes
30:20oh
30:20yeah
30:21i try not to overstep my bounds
30:23because like i know they're not mine they're yours like i love being around them
30:26yeah
30:26no and i don't want
30:27i like don't want to like be the one that's like cracking the whip either
30:30because you're not comfortable with it because i'm like they're not mine and it's your call
30:33no frankly if you were to discipline them i would tell you no
30:35i just feel like sometimes around you they just get away with like murder
30:40sometimes i see them like this was not disrespecting you but like they throw shit at you sometimes
30:43and i'm like hey
30:44four years old
30:45they're four years old i know but like i also you'll say don't do that and they'll like hit you
30:50and i'm just like hey we don't hit mom
30:51and i just want to like voice that from a place that comes with a little bit of like
30:55i'm a little protective of you
30:56yeah
30:57i've seen it i'm not saying they're like bad at all they're kids
31:01i think mason is completely overstepping right now with what he's saying
31:04you're not a parent you're an uncle and you get to say bye when the kids start being annoying
31:08so when you actually are a parent and you have to do it full time 24 7 then you can
31:12talk on it
31:13i'm their mom i don't want you to be their
31:15i know i know
31:16your dad anything like that's not something that i would want you to even take on until
31:20we were far far far far down the line
31:36i'm never gonna be the parent that like screams at my kids and like i'm not saying screaming's the answer
31:40yeah
31:41they're saying sometimes it's like you ask them to do things
31:44yeah they're always gonna say no if you ask them to go to bed
31:47you feel like i don't discipline them that well
31:49i think already i carry a lot of guilt around the fact that like i couldn't
31:56keep my family together for them and like i don't know i feel like coming from like a broken household
32:02like i thought that i would give my kids the opposite one day
32:05so i feel like i'm like almost trying to like make up for the fact that like i couldn't give
32:10them what like they deserve
32:11i just carry a lot of guilt so i feel like i just need to like give them the best
32:14life that i can
32:16i think growing up in a broken household with parents that don't coexist very well and fight all the time
32:22and can't be in the same room without bickering and glaring at each other
32:25i know the impact that that can have on you as a little kid
32:29and now kind of having a co-parenting relationship with my ex where we don't really get along that well
32:34i'm very very very particular about who i bring around my kids and the negative energy that they possibly could
32:39bring into our family unit
32:41i don't even know that's how you like looked at it
32:44like i've never thought about the guilt you have
32:48for them it's not obviously your fault and you know that
32:51why am i not getting emotional they're just like little innocent babies like they just want to be like loved
32:56and like
32:57and i don't want my kids i don't want to feel like my kids are a fucking burden and i
33:00feel like that's what sometimes it feels like sometimes
33:03i just will like look at you sometimes and you just seem like so pissed off
33:06i'm like they're three fucking years old like they're babies you know
33:11okay mom i'm sorry i don't mean to be it's a new scene for me i'm learning like how i
33:16am with kids too that are that age so i'm sorry to make you feel like they're a burden because
33:19they're not
33:32so i was giving off those vibes in the first place
33:35thanks for being understanding
33:40and understanding where i'm coming from
33:42me and my relationship with men is definitely very
33:46hard i grew up around verbal abuse so it's really hard and challenging for me to let down my barriers
33:52i'm just really lucky to be able to have mason's support as i continue to pursue my dreams
33:56just having someone in your corner that's rooting for you
33:58and cheering you on is just a really nice feeling and i'm just super grateful for him
34:08it's the wine it's making me emotional
34:12it is
34:13you definitely don't bite me today
34:15there's a wine
34:16smile
34:36i know right it's dakota what the fuck
34:41it's like who let you out of your cage
34:43dakota and i are back today for day two of the red west music festival
34:46the reason that we're here solo is the girls are at a photo shoot today and we're unable to make
34:52it
34:52so is uh shania coming today or what
34:54yeah are you at all worried about it
34:57am i worried about it
34:58yeah bro i'm worried about it are you kidding me
35:00why do you think i've been freaking out
35:02whoa
35:03hey where's the vip at
35:06shania is coming today and all of mom talk knows now as well
35:09so i feel like
35:11well i just need to have a conversation with her
35:13and maybe try to
35:15figure that out
35:19howdy
35:20everyone hi
35:21oh my gosh
35:22how are you
35:25are you sick
35:26how did you know
35:28i'm not feeling my best
35:30both my kids are sick
35:31oh really i got i came down with it
35:33yeah i could be feeling worse
35:35i am attending red west
35:37with two of my closest friends
35:39latia and shania
35:41i am sick as a dog the weather is horrible
35:44we decided to go to the vip lounge
35:46and just kind of hang out
35:48turns out
35:49the storm followed us inside
35:51that storm being dakota
35:58there's a shelter in place
36:00oh out here
36:01yeah
36:01for the concerts
36:02i mean i guess like a storm or something
36:09dude that's crazy
36:13yeah
36:14now that everyone knows
36:15i'm gonna hear thoughts on the whole
36:17shania
36:18i think it's bullshit
36:19you think it's bullshit
36:20i told her
36:22this is a horrible idea
36:23yeah
36:24taylor like
36:25is gonna go be the vachelorette
36:26and like clearly they're still toxic
36:28it just feels very calculated
36:29it feels like
36:31you're intentionally picking someone that's in the group
36:33to like keep like this like
36:36perpetuate like
36:37yes
36:37he wanted people to know
36:39that's what i'm saying
36:40yeah yeah
36:40he wants taylor to know
36:41to piss her off because she's about to go be the vachelorette
36:44and it's it's calculated
36:45and it's gross
36:47he is an addict through and through
36:48anyone who else is an addict?
36:49taylor taylor is an addict to chaos
36:51and an addict to dakota
36:52period
36:54it's so unfortunate
36:56well
36:57cheers
36:59after i found out about shania and dakota
37:01i made it very clear
37:03this will end badly
37:04i thought
37:05that they
37:07would make it a one-time thing
37:09and it would be done
37:10obviously that didn't happen
37:12i'm very much a person where i can just like be in the moment
37:15with things and like
37:16i feel like that's kind of what was happening
37:18i was like
37:18i'm just gonna like let this ride and see
37:21so dakota when were you guys uh
37:23gonna tell me about your little escapades?
37:27what?
37:30i've heard
37:30i've heard
37:32brief talks
37:33i mean i probably was never gonna tell you
37:36but i was hoping she would tell you
37:38i just wish if you were gonna do this
37:39you would have done a hell of a lot better job at hiding it
37:43truthfully
37:43i mean we tried not to like
37:45i wasn't trying to like freaking be out in public like uh
37:48with shania somewhere
37:49but you're telling him that you're seeing someone that's in proximity to taylor
37:53whoa
37:53you know she's gonna be detective mode immediately
37:58i'm praying for both of you
38:00i'm praying for both of you
38:00anyway i wish you both the best
38:02um it's been actually so nice knowing you
38:04fuck
38:04i will i will write your eulogy
38:07hey hold on
38:07nah i think you guys should do what you guys want to do as two consenting adults
38:11i really feel like you should
38:13just realize like that there may be repercussions
38:15that's all
38:16mmm
38:17it's gonna be okay
38:18we might be a little bumpy
38:20i have to pee
38:23well
38:25is there a panic attack
38:28dakota wanted this to come out immediately
38:30you can't convince me otherwise
38:31he like tries to make it sound like
38:33oh it has to be so hot shot
38:34no
38:35absolutely not
38:36absolutely not
38:37it's all manipulation
38:39it's all a ploy
38:40it's all a game
38:40i feel so wrong what i'm doing
38:42of course
38:43but like
38:43it's working
38:46i actually can't like him
38:47well of course you like him
38:49because he's been love bombing the shit out of you
38:51i've never been love bombing the shit out of me though
38:52love bombing is gross though if you don't like the guy
38:56guess what
38:57hey guess what
38:57every guy does that
38:58guess what
38:59it's still gross if you like him
39:01yeah miranda was pretty hot and heavy about it
39:03and i
39:03yeah bro she was way hot and heavy about it
39:05dakota wanted everyone to know about this
39:08he doesn't care about you like that
39:10he's not looking out for your best interest
39:12you need to do that
39:13does he maybe have like a little bit of an interest in you?
39:16for sure
39:16but the thing is like he does not know you
39:18i know you can do a hell of a lot better
39:21then
39:22okay
39:24you're sorry actually you're sorry
39:25like chill out
39:26miranda you know exactly how fucking taylor is
39:29you've seen it literally happen a million times
39:31i am always somehow the one that is always in wrong
39:35taylor thought she would get to seek dakota's potential
39:37guess what
39:38he had a baby with her
39:39and like him
39:40he never looked up to him
39:41he can prove everyone wrong if he wants to
39:44that's up to him
39:44that's not your problem
39:45i have a great idea
39:46let's wrap that up
39:48and move on
39:50being friends with taylor
39:52you know being long-standing friends with shania
39:56it puts me in the middle
39:57and obviously she knew everything that went on in the past between taylor and i
40:02and that a man getting between our friendship like that's a sensitive thing for the both of us
40:07and subjecting us both to that is just disappointing
40:14can we talk please
40:15yeah are you okay
40:16i don't know
40:17i just genuinely
40:20i just want to make this very clear to you
40:22i have been enjoying hanging out with you and i mean that
40:27i just feel like taylor kind of still can get to me
40:31it's just so intense
40:33it's just so intense
40:33like i just wish i didn't have to always deal with that
40:36but
40:36why would you bring me into this shit that's so cool
40:41i don't know if you should have dated yet
40:43i i i want to
40:45like i i think my issue is is i am just in a shitty position in general
40:50like i want to like move on i want to try to move forward with everything okay
40:55like i want to make that very clear
40:56because i don't want you know like miranda or anybody to like convince you otherwise
41:01everyone that's what everyone's saying
41:03i know i'm i'm look i'm so sorry i really am
41:06i'm so sorry for my life
41:09what do you want to do now
41:11no it's the same bubble
41:14yeah same
41:25my mom is taking a walk to clear her head and she hasn't been answering her phone
41:29so i drive towards our childhood home to see if that's where she was
41:33because i had a feeling that she would you know gravitate towards that
41:41found you you doing okay
41:43yeah
41:45what are you trying to go back to your old house
41:47yeah i want to go by there
41:49yeah
41:50okay we can go over there
41:51i actually want to go see it too
41:56are you okay
41:57yeah
41:57this is hard
41:58yeah
41:59i know i'm sorry
42:01this just brings back so many memories
42:03it's wild
42:04oh my gosh
42:06that's
42:07oh look at these trees your dad planted
42:10they're huge
42:11oh my gosh
42:11this is so weird
42:13oh my god
42:13that's not
42:16do you know who lives here
42:18i don't remember their names
42:19i don't know if it's the same people that i sold it to
42:21we're about to find out
42:23they took out the trees right here too
42:25you should stay with the mormon missionaries
42:26can we have five minutes of your time
42:28okay this is probably
42:29we're probably going to be so creeped out
42:30oh my gosh
42:31yeah this is so weird
42:33ladies
42:33hi
42:35yes
42:36okay so this used to be our old house
42:38i grew up in
42:39until i was 15 16
42:41i'm leanne
42:42i don't know if you were
42:42at muldoon
42:43i
42:44thought we met by
42:45yes
42:45because was it like 15 years ago
42:4716
42:4716 has it been that long
42:49i know it's wild
42:49can we do a lap around the house
42:51like outside
42:52okay thank you so much
42:53i appreciate you
42:55cute
42:57this is so crazy
42:58is it so sad for you
43:00sentimental huh
43:02your dad just like planted every tree in here
43:05remember you used to take pictures on this like rock
43:08and dad would put helmets on us
43:10and he would be like
43:11okay ready
43:11and he'd throw balls at our heads
43:13yeah
43:14i had my last party here
43:15and i got in so much trouble
43:17because i went over here in the trees
43:18and was kissing
43:19and dad saw through the window
43:22good memories
43:24bad memories to good memories
43:25i guess you're right
43:26bad memories to good memories huh
43:29i think we came here more for trying to get answers
43:31if do i have siblings out there
43:32what is out there
43:33we i i don't know
43:34but at the end of the day i feel like i have
43:35i have you
43:36and i have my dad jeremy
43:38that's been here since day one
43:40and i've never called him anything other than dad
43:44because he is my dad
43:44you know he raised me
43:47i'm just grateful that jeremy stepped in the role of being my dad
43:50i couldn't have gotten a better father
43:52you've been through a lot
43:53a lot of trauma
43:54and i don't want to bring it up again
43:56because i know it's hard to hear
43:57but like all the abuse
43:58i don't know the extent of that
43:59and that is horrible to hear
44:01and especially when he said that today
44:02like i you know i got sick for you
44:05and i feel really bad
44:06and that's um that's on me for not like
44:08you know considering your feelings on that
44:10so you share whatever you want
44:12continuing moving forward
44:14i'm not going to pry anymore
44:14well i owe you that
44:16like i understand where your your curiosity
44:19and where you want you want to know
44:20you know who your biological dad is
44:23like anybody would want to know that right
44:25mm-hmm
44:26it's just you know i would have loved to have
44:28have had that like family
44:30but it just wasn't gonna happen
44:31like i always just look out for your best interest
44:34i always wanted you to be happy
44:39i just i chose not to go with him
44:43because of you
44:44we just would have went down the wrong road
44:47all three of us
44:48and it just wouldn't have been healthy
44:49you made the right decision
44:50i did
44:51i think this trip overall helped my mother and i
44:54and our relationship definitely gives me some insight
44:58on different patterns i would like to break in my family
45:01there's parallels with dakota the toxicity in the relationship
45:04the recovering being a recovering addict
45:06and mom you know finding her happy relationship
45:08her healthy relationship in my dad jeremy
45:11it's something i long for i want to find
45:13so i think you know moving forward with the bachelorette
45:15is like something i want to aim towards
45:17i appreciate you even coming out here with me
45:19i know it's been a lot today
45:21a hell of a ride i'm sorry for you
45:22and i'm sorry for yelling at you the way i did all the way up here
45:25i just i
45:26there's yeah a lot of anger in me too
45:28i know
45:29there's a lot of anger and you don't deserve that because i think you're an amazing mom
45:32i think you're amazing mom
45:33it means a lot to be here
45:36and to feel taylor's love
45:38that makes me so happy that her dad is enough
45:41and and so am i but
45:43i want her to feel like she's enough
45:45no matter how brian felt like
45:49she just deserves better
45:51this is your story in your life i know it brings up a lot
45:54no it's your story
45:54it's your i'm a part of it but
45:56it's yours
45:57we're a part of each other
45:59that's true
46:00i love you
46:01i love you too
46:02a lot
46:03thank you so much
46:07i'm a very good mom
46:08i promise
46:09i'm the best gremlin
46:33hello
46:35hi
46:35how are you
46:36good how are you
46:37good
46:37just trying to get all this food ready
46:39oh yeah
46:40that's good
46:41i know
46:41thank you
46:42i just got back from new york and jesse invited us all over to her house to have a little
46:47mom talk meeting and discuss the pleasant news of dakota and shania and how we're going to
46:52navigate that for taylor and letting her know she leaves the bachelorette in the week
46:56and i would just hate to set her back when she's done all of this positive work to be in
47:00a better headspace
47:01hello hello
47:03is that the jacket shania borrowed at stagecoach how ironic
47:06yeah no literally i know i like was good looking through my coats last night and i was like wait
47:11why do i have this
47:12that's hilarious
47:12do you guys want to take your shoes off and there's toys upstairs
47:15i'm gonna sit because it might be a long one
47:17hi
47:18hello
47:19taylor is in colorado with her mom so she's kind of blissfully unaware of like what's going on i'm wondering
47:24do we tell taylor right away when she gets back
47:26do we wait it's really tricky with taylor because
47:29if you tell her she's gonna crash out but if you don't tell her she's gonna probably crash out later
47:33we want what's best for her and we don't want her sabotaging bachelorette because that is our priority is to
47:38get her on that show
47:39so she can move on with her life
47:41i just want to eat you i know she's so cute
47:43i feel like we always have meetings here it's like place
47:46i know i know
47:47so i called you guys here because i feel like we all found out about this shania stuff at separate
47:50times and i thought coming together to make sure we come up with a plan about taylor
47:54because i feel like if one of us tells her it's gonna blow up
47:56taylor is gonna be representing mom talk to a whole nother audience with the bachelorette viewers and it could have
48:03consequences for not only her but also mom talk
48:07i'm like don't don't mess it up for us taylor i am worried about dakota telling her
48:11yeah i've been curious
48:13when did you find out
48:14i only knew about the first night they hung out and like that night
48:18i actually think they're both in the wrong i don't think this is all dakota i think she also should
48:21have known better
48:21it affects because now i'm put in a bad position
48:24yeah it's awkward
48:24and i'm like that's what pisses me off is you knew that this was gonna put me in a shitty
48:28position
48:28i know i will be put in the middle once taylor finds out
48:32and that is why part of me is screaming you need to tell her
48:37but the other part of me feels like i'm giving dakota exactly what he wants if i tell her
48:42what's her reasoning for that like i'm just curious because like she knows how she is
48:46i just think the stuff that he says to these women
48:48oh he makes them feel like they are the most special person on the planet
48:51i've all dated a guy like that
48:52it's love bombing
48:53it's like he did it to taylor and taylor's still in it four years later
48:57i know
48:57so i'm like what dakota told jordan is that him and shania had made an agreement to only exclusively sleep
49:02with each other
49:03oh he knows she told me that that night that first night he goes so what if we made like
49:07a sex pact
49:08and the next day she told me about it she was like i don't this feels really weird and i'm
49:13like shania that is like psychopathic
49:16that is
49:16he like wants everything wants his cake he wants to eat it too like he needs to have like lock
49:20him down like you only get me and then he's gonna go like screw everyone else
49:24okay i'm fine keeping this from taylor but if she straight up asks me how do i lie to her
49:28face
49:28but also it kind of sucks because she's gonna get pissed at us if she knows every single one of
49:32us knows she's going to be livid
49:34i think you just said like we we know and we just we're not telling you because you spiral and
49:39we can't trust what you're gonna do with the information
49:40yeah no i can't say that
49:43we're always tiptoeing around her feelings i'm like at the end of the day you have to save yourself
49:47we are all trying to save her and she's it's honestly just making her do worse things
49:50spiral more to be honest
49:55i genuinely can't decide like morally if it's better for taylor not to know her or it's better for her
49:59to find out
49:59same there's something else he did though
50:02and i feel like if he finds she finds out about shania it's gonna spiral into the other thing
50:06and i'm if she finds out the other thing she genuinely won't go
50:11what is it
50:12he hooked up with jenna and like basically almost had sex with her like a couple weeks ago
50:17jenna was the girl that dakota was hooking up with back in the beginning of
50:21taylor and dakota's relationship
50:23he lied about whatever situationship he had with her
50:26jenna is such a huge trigger for taylor
50:29it's a complete slap in the face
50:31he was like texting me all day this day he came over to your house
50:34and he's saying thank you for letting me crash at your house
50:36and he came over that night to my house and spent the night and fucked me
50:39so yeah
50:44oh my god this is a mess
50:46the man continues to stoop lower
50:48we thought he went to hell but hell has a basement
50:50shut the hell up
50:58if this comes out it's all gonna spiral
51:01taylor's still in colorado
51:02she's literally about to go be the bachelorette
51:05why do i get this opportunity out of all the girls that want this
51:08just because you come with some baggage
51:10some
51:12i'm sorry
51:13what do you want man
51:14i want to feel loved by my wife again
51:16what would you do then like just separate
51:18maybe we don't get back together until we can commit to our relationship
51:22i'm not trying to hurt you
51:23you're not vindictive but i do think you're selfish
51:25i just don't know what will happen i'll probably lose millions
51:27do you feel like your relationship with the whitney has improved
51:29i don't think you care about me
51:31jen i was the one that vouched for you every fucking time
51:35i'm over it
51:38hello
51:38hello
51:38i'm gonna ask you one time
51:39how long have you known
51:41she's gonna get called out like the fucking hoe she is
51:43once taylor sees red
51:44i'm gonna fucking fuck them up
51:46what are you doing
51:48it's the downfall of mom talk
51:50once again
52:21what are you doing
52:21what are you doing
52:21what are you doing
52:21what are you doing
52:21what are you doing
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