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00:09So my sisters are in New Zealand, so is my brother.
00:12Your head's a little bit funky.
00:14Oh, thank you.
00:15I never brush it, so Jessie usually brushes it for me.
00:17Jessie!
00:18What the fuck do I do?
00:20Why am I even here, actually?
00:21No.
00:23What the hell's happening?
00:24Can I fit in here?
00:27Hey, where's Mesa?
00:30I think you went that way.
00:31Did you go with Layla?
00:32Um.
00:36Oh, my God.
00:38I've only been in L.A. for less than six hours.
00:40Taylor's already brought over a boy toy to try to make me jealous, but I'm just not taking
00:47the bait.
00:50Right, Taylor?
00:53I don't care if Dakota sees me with Harry.
00:56I knew it would piss him off, but we do need to get used to this.
00:58I'm going to be the bachelorette.
01:00It's inevitable, so, like, why not start now?
01:04What are you shaking your head out?
01:05What do you mean?
01:06What do you mean, Dakota?
01:08I don't know what this game is.
01:10What do you think that girls would feel like meeting your ex, though, as, like, a friend?
01:15I would be fine with it.
01:16Well, obviously, you're in a situation where you're friends with your ex.
01:18I'm good.
01:19Yeah, my girlfriend.
01:20What?
01:21What?
01:22They were swingers.
01:24These guys.
01:25Yeah.
01:25With our husbands.
01:26Hey.
01:27And some other people.
01:28But, yeah.
01:28They're freaky.
01:29Freaky girls.
01:30What were you taking your head out of?
01:31Are you going to elaborate?
01:33Oh, just this situation.
01:34I think it's fucking hilarious.
01:36It's crazy.
01:36If I was to do that, oh, my.
01:38Could you imagine?
01:40Could you imagine the double standard of this?
01:42I don't think they'd get through the front door.
01:44Yeah, they wouldn't.
01:46Honestly, I'm wondering why Dakota's even here right now.
01:48I mean, it's a couple's trip, and our husbands are here.
01:51They're helping with our babies.
01:52His kid isn't here, so I don't feel like there's a need for him to be here.
01:56If, like, you're going to be upset that Harry's coming tonight, then, I'm sorry, take the flight back.
02:01Wait, how do you know who's a good swing?
02:03You don't.
02:03Well, that's why it's trial and error.
02:06And Big Joe Smith doesn't like that.
02:08Wait, who?
02:09Joseph Smith?
02:10Oh, Joseph Smith.
02:12Knock in the day, you guys can polygamy, but.
02:14Oh, okay, yeah.
02:15Wait, who's that?
02:16Who's polygamy?
02:17Do you know what polygamy is?
02:18Is that a person?
02:19No.
02:20What?
02:20What?
02:22What?
02:24What?
02:25Dude, he must be so funny.
02:27Oh, my God.
02:29I'm joking.
02:30You're not joking.
02:31You're not.
02:31I hear that was truthful.
02:34Oh, my gosh.
02:35So, you guys want to sit?
02:36Or do you want to sit?
02:36Yeah.
02:37Plenty of seats over here, guys.
02:39Yeah, we can make room.
02:40I'll stand up.
02:40There's plenty of seats.
02:41Come on.
02:41If I would react really poorly in this situation right now, I know that Taylor would get so
02:46much satisfaction from this.
02:48Like, she would eat it up.
02:49Because that's her whole goal all the time with me.
02:51And so, I think by just playing this off really cool, just kind of like, whatever, I think
02:57that will piss her off.
03:00When did you move to America?
03:02Uh, 2019.
03:04Wow.
03:04Wait, where are you from?
03:06England?
03:07No.
03:08Right at the top of Australia.
03:09Oh, I know you're from Australia.
03:10Okay.
03:11Australia?
03:11Midland, nowhere.
03:12Oh, shit.
03:12I didn't know that.
03:13Yeah.
03:13Yeah, I'm from Idaho originally.
03:15Wait, how did you meet this bunch?
03:16Uh, I moved to Utah.
03:18Okay.
03:18Yeah.
03:19Crazy.
03:19I know.
03:20Fun, huh?
03:21So, inviting Harry over, I'm just, like, trying to have fun and, like, put myself back
03:25out there, and so it's annoying that Harry and Dakota end up hitting it off.
03:29It's bullshit.
03:30It's all bullshit.
03:31Yeah, it's been wild, dude.
03:32It's a wild ride.
03:33It's been a wild ride.
03:34Utah, like, Mormons, everyone shares everyone.
03:37It's really weird.
03:37This is one of my baby daddies, by the way.
03:40Hell yeah.
03:41Fun.
03:42He's like, what the hell?
03:43I have another one back in Utah as well, and then I'm going to go on the bachelorette and
03:46probably find my third.
03:48The initial plan to have Harry come over was for Taylor to get a little bit of flirting
03:54practice.
03:54He's the perfect person for it, but the awkwardness is palpable.
03:59I think we're all asking ourselves, why is Dakota even here?
04:03But are you not dating anyone else here?
04:06No.
04:06No, he just got back from the villa.
04:07He had a lot of fun out there.
04:09What's the villa?
04:09Vanderpump Villa.
04:10Oh, I was going to do that.
04:11Wait, are you serious?
04:12Like, recently or, like, at one point?
04:14No, recently.
04:15Oh, shit.
04:15I was meant to go out, but then they're like, but you might have sex with everyone.
04:18I'm like, oh, I can't.
04:19Yeah, ask Dakota about that.
04:20He knows all about it in the bathroom.
04:21Well, I wasn't proud of it, but yeah, it led to that moment.
04:25But to be fair, I actually tried not to.
04:30It was like, do or drink was the game.
04:33Who gives a fuck?
04:35Dakota does.
04:37Taylor, it's just the vindictive stuff you do.
04:39Why do you care?
04:40I'm not your girlfriend.
04:40Why do you care?
04:41Because you get hurt.
04:42If I was your girlfriend or your wife, I'd understand, but I'm not.
04:44And then you cry about everything I do.
04:46It's like, oh, a girl says hi to me, and you cry about it.
04:49So it's like, I don't understand how you come at me for anything.
04:52When did that happen?
04:52What do you mean?
04:53Every day.
04:54Taylor and Dakota start fighting.
04:56It's background noise to me at this point.
04:58But Harry, poor guy, over there, his first exposure to all of this, by the way,
05:04and he was mortified.
05:07Mortified.
05:08And rightfully so.
05:08So I forget how jarring it is.
05:11If anyone cries between you and I, it's you.
05:13I'm going to cry right now.
05:14Shit, dude.
05:15I'm going to cry right now.
05:16This is what I'm saying.
05:17I'm always like, this is why I'm always crying.
05:19Well, he normally is not allowed to come around because he does this.
05:22Does what?
05:23You're annoying.
05:24What did I do?
05:26You open your mouth.
05:27You know exactly what you said.
05:33I was hoping that Taylor just wouldn't get into a Dakota,
05:36maybe just have a night where he doesn't piss her off.
05:39However, I don't think anyone, any person can stop this man from getting under her skin.
05:45I just don't think it's possible.
05:46This is crazy.
05:48No, this is great.
05:48But I'm going to go home.
05:49Oh, you're going to go home?
05:50Wait, wait.
05:51Guys, no, this is the best day of my life.
05:54Oh, my God.
05:55You're going to go home.
05:55Don't feel obligated to stay.
05:57Go home.
05:57I'll walk you out.
05:58Okay.
05:59I really did want to enjoy the time with, like, Harry.
06:01I was trying to get in the mindset of, like, the Bachelorette, you know?
06:04But I feel like, yeah, Dakota definitely threw me off.
06:06So I'd like to talk to him about that so I can actually be in the headspace I need to
06:09be in,
06:10going into this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
06:12Okay, well, thank you for coming.
06:14Okay, we'll see you.
06:14Thanks so much, guys.
06:15Have a good night.
06:16Bye.
06:17Bye.
06:19Holy shit.
06:41I'll bring you to your knees, baby.
06:44You're gonna believe.
06:46You're gonna believe.
07:26okay we're gonna go wake the girls up for breakfast or see if they wanted some brekkie
07:41there's only one thing that's worse than seeing dakota naked
07:44and that's seeing taylor white next to him i am absolutely petrified right now and i think i'm
07:49gonna return to church i think i need some holy water to cleanse my eyes because i think they're
07:53burned out of my head all right you dirt bags what the what the
08:00Taylor why are you guys up already this is our only day we get to sleep in and you guys
08:03took it
08:04and woke up she has a baby and respectfully i can't sleep past 9 a.m why are you in
08:09bed with
08:09oh what what so he's like f him i'm done he's disgusting i'll never sleep with him again
08:16and like a day later she has slept with him it's just mind-blowing at this point like my brain
08:20can't
08:21comprehend this madness anymore so did you guys just like study the bible last night or what did you do
08:25actually yeah i did my bible somewhere later yeah i didn't want to see them in there grossed out
08:31i'm not even trying to be a i'm just trying to understand like why you guys like literally fight
08:38and roast each other and then have sex after like is it like a weird toxic kink it wasn't even
08:42like
08:42planned i don't think about it Taylor why are you in bed with dakota why did you sleep with him
08:49because i'm an idiot i'm an idiot i'm an idiot that's there's no other words it's a cycle it's
08:55a vicious vicious cycle i think anyone in toxic relationship a trauma bond it is one of the most
09:01difficult things to get out of and i would have never understood that unless i had lived it at this
09:07rate i'm just concerned for both of you actually just like i'm just trying to understand even for
09:11you dakota too because i know taylor loves the toxic and i'm assuming you must too you know yeah
09:18i've always loved taylor i just that's yeah last night i saw him walk by the room and then i
09:26was
09:26like oh that's like ever's walk like ever walks like his dad and so it's that was hard to talk
09:32about
09:32because you get so emotional because it's so sad when i look at my son it's just like that's like
09:37part of dakota so we just sat and we were talking in the middle of the night like yes like
09:42he tries i
09:43cave i don't know it's just i don't know it's confusing and i know that going into the bachelorette
09:49i understand it doesn't look the best this isn't going to end well this is just going to be a
09:54lot
09:54of hurt guys and you guys have already hurt each other a lot
09:57i like chaffled in the door his like arms around her and he's like scratching her arm
10:05taylor and dakota you're so full of
10:10i'm like it's just not healthy and it's like you're never it's never gonna change so it's like
10:14how can we like help you guys like what do you need us to like do none of us can
10:18say anything
10:20yeah like if you guys were contestants on the bachelorette and you found out that the girl
10:24slept with her ex her baby daddy oh i'll be dressed yeah yeah that's what i thought
10:31taylor and dakota are both each other's addictions jealousy possessiveness and it goes both ways but it
10:38is hard i feel like on mom talk because we've all tried so hard to help her but like at
10:43this point it's
10:44like i don't even know what to do even though they want to say it's just sex it's not just
10:47it's not
10:49i feel like we're parents right now i feel like we're parents we don't know what to do with our
10:54kids i know they're older than us taylor's little older than me too and dakota i'm like
10:58why i'm 24 why am i schooling her right now
11:04hey hi all of our two minutes yes so we wanted to give you a not so great update so
11:12king's english
11:14in salt lake city utah is very upset the sales aren't great the publisher at this point is not
11:22happy i'll just be honest with you okay
11:26they're not happy they they've written us so many times and they feel like you know if we're just being
11:34completely honest with you they feel like you're not making the book a priority yeah well okay that's
11:41fine i mean i have some thoughts i mean i just had a baby so i'm like okay my memoir
11:47told you so
11:47is coming on a few weeks i have my book tour event in salt lake next week and i am
11:51super excited jesse
11:53is going to host my tour stop in salt lake this book means so much more to me than anything
11:58that
11:58i've ever done but now the publisher is upset and some of the book tour stops are a little upset
12:03because i haven't posted enough for the tour stops and we need to sell more tickets and honestly i'm
12:08feeling really stressed out i feel like i have so much on my plate right now and i'm just so
12:12spread
12:12thin so they wrote an email to the publisher and they're like the sales have completely stalled
12:18like how could this be happening this is her hometown we really need to get the sales up and
12:25in the meantime we are canceling the venue and going to a smaller venue because this is going to cost
12:32us
12:32okay as a mormon as someone who was kind of breaking the rules and kind of not being in the
12:41best situation in their life feeling like they're at rock bottom i just didn't feel like i was ever
12:45going to recover from that so i wrote this book for the person who felt like me where they felt
12:49like
12:49life was over like they could never be successful and so it's really hard when you have people coming
12:54to you saying like oh you're not doing enough where i'm like i literally feel like i'm giving my all
12:57and like more and i feel like there's nothing left of me to give as much success mom talk has
13:02brought
13:03me i don't know how to balance everything between friendships my relationship with my husband my
13:08children my book tour social media running a business it's just so much to balance it's so hard
13:13and it's starting to worry me we're the messengers macy but we know you're doing a lot we know you're
13:19bouncing around we get it yeah no i'm tired so i know i know i'm like i just don't know
13:26what to do
13:30um Miranda slept all by herself good morning sunshine i slept outside by the pool oh yeah
13:36i'm sure you did or you got kidnapped and dicks down by dakota i'm like do i have credit yes
13:43i always
13:43do it's fair to say that there's a wound there of like if the only man in my life that
13:48was supposed
13:49to love me didn't love me then who's gonna love me like when they walk away my dad obviously like
13:53my ex-husband but then you have dakota where no matter what my mistakes his mistakes i always
13:59come number one and he always chooses me at the end of the day so yeah it does get confusing
14:03for sure
14:03speaking of dakota um i was gonna ask you if you thought about using protection or the bachelorette
14:12because what if you got pregnant because what if i did use it what if you didn't but what if
14:17i'm asking
14:26i thought about using protection or the bachelorette because what if you got pregnant the church used
14:34to frown upon the idea of birth control that was years and years and years ago now there's nothing
14:41against it so taylor is reckless having unprotected sex with her baby daddy not okay but i track you
14:49guys know this i track i track i know i know i don't know but the fact that you're about
14:52to date
14:5330 men and you claim i won't sleep with that you're probably likely gonna at least sleep with one of
14:58them
14:58yeah i think the girls you know get a little nervous that i could obviously have a potential
15:05pregnancy but i am not a fan of birth control i've always tracked and i don't want something
15:10else my body messing with my hormones us as women already deal with that so much just naturally
15:16adding in more things from both ends medications birth control would i think even make it harder
15:21i hate condoms though i mean so do i but you oh my god which one is it circumstance matters
15:27you are about to be the bachelorette and you already that is the only argument you guys have right now
15:32we're just looking out for you i would just hate for you to lose out on opportunities
15:36our intentions are pure we just want taylor to have the best out of this experience and her just
15:40being so nonchalant that like if i'm pregnant like haha i'm like uh it's not haha because i have
15:45one kid that's a pullout game baby if you got pregnant like i don't know that the network or
15:52the men would want a pregnant bachelorette no i get that absolutely and i would just hate for that to
15:56like ruin your future and i think great things you have coming you know and a third baby daddy if
16:02it
16:02wasn't dakota's and if it was dakota's that would also be shitty so actually anyone the worst is crazy
16:25yesterday was the premiere of dancing with the stars and all of mom talk was there to support me
16:31it's just so crazy because just a few months ago i felt very strongly that i was never going to
16:36be
16:36welcomed back into this group ever again especially with macy and mikaela but my relationship with mom
16:41talk is stronger than it's ever been how are you the party is a ride i know demi came to
16:49the premiere
16:49of dancing with the stars but she's taking the step away from mom talk i worked my ass off trying
16:56to
16:56integrate myself and demi back into mom talk so seeing the group break apart yeah it sucks congratulations
17:03by the way i'm seeing you at the top of everyone's ranking list yeah it's fun it's fun watching the
17:08tiktoks and all like the fans are like whitney's my number one whitney's my number one i'm like that's
17:13right it's so incredible that everyone's getting these opportunities and going out and living their
17:18dreams but my health has held me back from saying yes to a lot of opportunities it's definitely
17:25discouraging and frustrating and it kind of holds me back from other places in my life like my marriage with
17:30jace you just dance all day long look at her app oh my gosh dude dancing is such a dancing's
17:37actually freaking hard oh huh okay you guys want to go get some hot dogs i feel like we should
17:42go head
17:42up tanks so the dads are just kind of wanting to get away do a little boys thing we decide
17:48to all leave
17:48and get some hot dogs because there's obviously nothing more manly than that i call the back
17:54i call the middle short leg short leg king
17:59did you hear like harry jowsey came over i heard a right okay yeah right and he was cool like
18:05i got
18:05along with a girl i was like oh shit all right oh he's a cool guy yeah so it was
18:09fun and i think
18:09that pissed taylor off more is that your 3d chest that was like yeah you're trying to make me jealous
18:13i'm
18:14about right i was like watch this dude i'm about to bring my queen out and ended up with taylor
18:18somehow
18:18in my bed dude believe it or not at the end of the night yep called me all night dude
18:23wait why am
18:24i disappointed dakota because there's a lot of disappointments was it just holding a little
18:30no be honest we wrestled for a sec but the job we got done it finished the job something okay
18:37what are
18:37we doing what do you want i don't know what i want dude all i know is it was a
18:41confusing
18:42the shit because she's never nice to me when she is i'm like this is awesome i love when you're
18:49nice
18:49to me sounds like codependency well there's more to it than just that clearly you guys have connection
18:55right yeah there's it's a lot more it there's so much to our dynamic and i think that's why it's
19:01so hard
19:01why dakota taylor
19:07it feels like a trauma bond from the start to where things are at now then being together
19:13isn't healthy what do you want man well i mean if we were done right now and i didn't have
19:18a kid
19:18with her then i would freaking completely cut her out of my life in like two seconds you think you
19:22think you would do that yeah 100 yeah dude just in the kid aspect feels like it tied my soul
19:27to her
19:28forever like well it did when it does yeah exactly that's what i'm saying so it's like it feels
19:32different like i'm like damn you know taylor's gonna leave for the bachelorette and that's like
19:38another reason why i think i'm kind of stressed i don't know it just feels kind of crazy i feel
19:44like
19:45she's low-key like it sounds like she's keeping you on a leash and it's like a six inch leash
19:49yeah i feel
19:50like you're the one who is keeping the collar on if you want the collar keep the collar or
19:58you can just rip it off dude don't be doing fist bumps in front of my face like that you
20:02keep
20:03that to yourself bro you're like yeah dude he's like i want the best for you yeah he's like
20:07this guy no and i'm giving her the power yes a hundred bro i give her i give her all
20:13the power
20:13and every time you're a dog with thumbs yeah anytime i've taken great analogy there you go guys
20:20bro i'm hungry well we're getting hot dogs right now oh yeah we are okay cool you're in the perfect
20:24vehicle for that it's cute i've never been here the henry oh the henry yes i know this oh the
20:36henry
20:37so we were saying last night so fancy we are getting a little lunch in la jesse's not with us
20:44because her and jordan are in new york because jesse's winning an award jen is going to meet us
20:48later but we're having so much fun getting out could we do um some truffle fries the parmesan truffle
20:56truffle fries i'll get that started thank you thank you why is jesse palmer here what wait what like
21:03the host for the bachelorette wait what what what he's right there where right there
21:11we see jesse palmer the host of the bachelorette and we're all like what are the odds honestly we
21:17thought we were being like set out for like whoa what's going on here is there a surprise but no
21:21hello so this is super weird i was literally just in the coffee shop oh my god he saw obviously
21:30some
21:30filming and us around and so he was like what's going on i promise i'm not stocking this is
21:36absolutely meant to be how's everybody doing good my wife and i are huge fans of you all so this
21:42is
21:42really really neat i am so excited for the upcoming journey how are you feeling i'm excited nervous and
21:48i don't really know what to expect you are going to be absolutely amazing and i know that right now
21:53they're putting together just an incredible group of guys they're here to meet so i'm really excited
21:57we send you a list of guys that you're absolutely not allowed to let in yes absolutely give me the
22:01list
22:02i'm like i have a few one starts with the c one starts with the d i think she's definitely
22:06telling
22:07herself that it's not as big as a deal to sleep with him as like it it is it's a
22:12huge deal i just
22:14want to see her happy i want to see her healthy i want to see her healed and with the
22:18bachelorette
22:18coming up i feel like taylor's chaotic energy will definitely rub off and reflect on montauk
22:23anyways i will see you soon very soon at the mansion i guess i guess okay really excited all right
22:30guys have fun thank you thank you wait that's a while it's fake that's crazy that's your sign
22:35to stop sleeping with jacara yes that's your sign there you go wait what wait what oh she slept with
22:41them last night taylor cranky paul that's everyone's reaction i honestly wasn't even mad i wanted to cry
22:48i was so sad honestly it is confusing but it's a pill we both have to swallow like this is
22:53never going
22:53to work but it is hard when you didn't necessarily want it right like i don't know i have to
22:58do it i know
22:59i do it's just hard yeah well she has to before she goes on the bachelorette which is coming up
23:03in
23:03less than a month i do believe she's on the bachelor for the right reasons i really do i think
23:08she wants
23:09to have that lifelong partner i think she longs for that but i don't think taylor feels like she deserves
23:13happiness i just don't want you to sabotage this opportunity to move on and find someone who respects
23:19you and treats you super well i don't want you to ruin that for yourself because you're sleeping with
23:24your baby daddy yeah yeah i think if she is really serious about being a bachelorette it is
23:31very important that she has a conversation with dakota and cuts it off completely because it could
23:37throw a real wrench in things i think this will be good though a next chapter because i don't have
23:42a
23:42choice you know i was really nervous going into my routine but the minute i hit the dance floor
24:01and seeing mom talk cheer for me just having their support meant everything to me oh they're trying to
24:07hold hands oh hi i didn't realize how much i missed the girls i wish i wasn't rehearsing so
24:16much so i could have more time with them jen great job last night yeah i want that mirror ball
24:22baby
24:25i've been definitely trying to rebuild my friendship with whitney especially being in la and being on the
24:31same journey right oh it's from all the stress stress and dancing and dancing but we're both
24:40feeling a bit competitive and also with the whole world trying to pin us both against each other it
24:46makes it extra hard wait why is jesse in new york she won an award she what she won the
24:53page six awards
24:54for like the best boss babe oh yeah that's awesome wow that's so cool i'm so proud of everyone in
25:00mom
25:00talk right now i feel like everyone is really just going after their dreams and it definitely does make
25:04me think about future ambitions that i have my lifelong goal has always been to be a model it's
25:09something that i've dreamed of since i was a little girl so i want to really try to hone in
25:13on that your
25:14book comes out in october right yeah like that weekend like october 10 yeah so it'll be like an event
25:20it'll be more like a live event though like where i have like a host and like they ask questions
25:24right
25:24i asked jesse if she wanted to host it yeah because i just said she's like i like hosting
25:29and she's going to do that for like career stuff too just kind of like i do and she's good
25:32so i was
25:33like okay i want to do it she's like yeah and then we were supposed to do an unwell event
25:36me
25:37mikaela jesse uh-huh the unwell like call her daddy thing yeah and then it's supposed to be on the
25:4111th
25:42but they moved it to the 10th recently me mikaela and jesse got invited by alex cooper from
25:47caller daddy to do her unwell tour in vegas and it just so happens that the day of the unwell
25:51tour
25:51is the same day of my book tour stop in salt lake okay so now i think she she texted
25:56me today saying
25:57like that she was basically choosing that over posting the book thing for me i don't know it kind
26:04of sucks sad but yeah it's just that it just feels shitty but that's okay well don't do that because
26:12when you say it's okay then you invalidate yourself it's like i know i just like saying
26:16you're i don't know how you feel about it you can say you know what that really hurt my feelings
26:22yeah you can say you have every right to feel that way listen i understand all of us spreading our
26:28wings
26:28and wanting to have our individual success but you've already told one of your best friends that
26:34you were going to be there macy's hurt i get that it's just hard because i don't want her to
26:40like lose
26:41that like an opportunity for herself to do it i know but you're missing the point is that a
26:45commitment was already made so you're choosing something that looks better yeah than the commitment
26:50you already made yeah i just hope that jesse chooses her friends over the opportunities and
26:56the fame because i think the fame might be starting to get to some of the women's head and it's
27:02starting
27:02to pull mom talk apart i don't know for me it's just not a question i'm like if your friend
27:06has
27:06something and like this is not as important to be honest i mean this is kind of a bigger deal
27:11than
27:11unwell like by far
27:33i mean who would have thought that mom talk and dad talk would all be together once again in this
27:38beautiful la mansion minus jesse and jordan the boys calling this a dad talk trip really honestly
27:44it doesn't bug me because we all know what you're really here for and that's to watch the children
27:48so we can go to dancing with the stars taylor do you want to offer us a prayer over the
27:52food no no sorry
27:54i said good because i'm starting now okay i'm starving you guys ever feel like we're like a
28:00dysfunctional family yeah yeah we would never yeah yeah true
28:11taylor and dakota are sitting next to each other at the dinner table i mean
28:15it's weird it's like awkward i honestly can't just sit here and pretend it's okay
28:19you know what we're all so tired of is people sleeping
28:24i'm just gonna say it but does it affect you as a whole yeah
28:30i really hope that my sex life doesn't always affect you guys it doesn't really
28:33sad a slow tear went like this really no it didn't macy's on your team i know this relationship has
28:40been
28:40draining my soul for the last three years and so it's hard supporting her time and time again when
28:45she keeps doing the same thing over and over that she says she's not gonna do she's trying to like
28:48help you get to what you want yeah that's why i don't like telling her because i'm like i don't
28:52want to hear the right things uh dakota heard all the right things from connor today what yeah dude
28:58connor lit me up today oh my gosh tell me about it he was just uh i just don't think
29:03i've ever seen
29:04that side of connor so it's like hilarious what's he saying he's like feels like taylor has you on a
29:09leash and dakota's like yeah like i think that's it the caller you have like you you're the one who
29:14can
29:15take it off and he said something about that and i was like oh that's good no it was a
29:19great analogy
29:19why because it was accurate or what yes taylor that is that is why it was a good analogy
29:26like how simple that was to just be honest yeah i mean i don't really care yeah you do no
29:34i don't
29:34taylor doesn't want to give me you know the satisfaction of her being kind or nice to me
29:41she like always has to push me away she's just so guarded but i i actually feel like she does
29:47love
29:47me a lot i think she still wants to be with me i just feel like she thinks that she
29:52can't be with
29:53me or like it's impossible to be with me i was like okay i'm good
30:17the publisher called me in there saying that like this salt lake venue is like
30:20i'm really mad at me apparently it hasn't sold enough tickets do you feel stressed no stress for
30:27you stop it also you can tell jesse how you feel again they're picking like business over a friend
30:36i think you need to let people pick a stance on it you don't need to react
30:40over the top but you also need to have a good enough response and letting jesse know like how you
30:48feel
30:48without like letting her off the hook it's not going to keep her on the hook either though it's
30:53just like she needs to know that like she picked it over you jacob is very protective over me and
31:01was
31:01really upset when winnie didn't come to my baby mama event in the past and he knows how much that
31:05hurt me
31:06i've been working on this like endlessly for the last two and a half years i don't want to stress
31:10you out
31:11but have you talked to whitney at all oh no i don't know how you can focus when your best
31:16friend
31:16is not here i don't know if dad talk is a great influence on him because he has been a
31:22little more
31:22vocal and getting involved in things in my business i'm like i know he has good intentions i know he's
31:27trying to help me i know he wants us to succeed but it's so exhausting you got to be fast
31:32with these
31:33things that way you have more time for people to know because if you're not posting every three days
31:36like that's just wasted time and you should write something super personal to all your girls really
31:41emotional to like have them really connect to the book i am the breadwinner in the relationship he
31:47helps with the kids so much but also like he needs to work to feel that fulfillment and so i
31:52think
31:52that's why he is so passionate about helping me with my businesses and things like that but i get
31:58annoyed because he's over explaining and he's overwhelming me but sometimes it comes off to me like
32:02oh you're not doing enough i'm already stressed out about the tickets not selling well for the book
32:07tour and then the jesse stuff that i have to deal with that i don't really want to confront so
32:11i'm
32:11like just get off my back i don't need help with you telling me what to do i need help
32:17with people
32:17helping me make it happen like that i'm trying to just like help you be more organized but then also
32:21like ideas for you and for the book like not what i'm saying is is like unless they're put into
32:27action that's the problem i don't have time i'm not going to do anything to action because you like
32:30don't give me the respect and like what do you mean what respect this is about the respect of
32:35like us being creative together and you actually using my help and then being respectful to the
32:40ideas that i have back what do you mean what am i not respectful all the time i never am
32:43disrespectful
32:43it's not disrespectful but it's like i'm not going to spend my time helping when it's like yeah yeah
32:47okay i feel like me and macy are a little bit different than the typical mormon men get the priesthood
32:52whereas when they're 12 years old in the church and women don't you know the priesthood should be the
32:56ultimate decision maker for things in the house but i'm not going to be an asshole and make decisions for
33:00it
33:00i'm not trying to be toxic and try and take things that aren't mine i try and give her solutions
33:04and
33:04i try and help i feel like that's what a husband should do and that's the number one thing that
33:08i care most about is that macy's not going to be walked all over when it comes to business friends
33:13work everything this is my this is my thing whatever you don't know since you haven't done
33:17anything in the past what are you talking about you're being annoying
33:38oh my gosh are you barbecuing yes let us celebrate you it was fun it was thank you incredible it
33:48was so
33:49fun but it was like so in and out like so fast new york was so much fun the awards
33:53show was amazing
33:54i won the boss babe award and i won it over kim kardashian which is so surreal being known as
34:00a
34:00successful business woman means everything to me because i put my heart and soul into my businesses
34:05so i'm really glad i went and it was such an incredible opportunity you deserve it though
34:09you do you want to say like you work so hard for that specific category i'm like i did earn
34:13this
34:14it was like boss babe like oh literally it makes sense yeah things do feel like a little bit awkward
34:21with jesse because i didn't respond to her right away when she did text me that she wasn't going to
34:25do my
34:26book tour jacob does think i should confront it and talk to her about it so i don't feel like
34:29any feelings
34:30of resentment but i don't want to create drama or have issues so for now i think i'm just going
34:35to
34:35leave it be and not bring it up and i'll get over it eventually what did you guys do yesterday
34:42i got bitched out most of the day why did you sleep with him wait what he did say that
34:50it's just wild to me that i wasn't even gone for 24 hours and she managed to slip back into
34:55his bed
34:55again the grip that dakota has on taylor is really concerning especially because the bachelorette's
35:00just a few weeks away and we need to get her ready we saw jesse palmer and he's like there's
35:05nothing
35:06you can do to prepare for this just by the way like okay i was like any advice he's like
35:09sleep with your
35:10ex that's the best way to prepare no i have had conversations with her in the past where she knows
35:15that she wants to choose to be healthy and happy and better but i think her behavior stems from
35:21a deeper issue he walked by my room and it looked like ever's walk and i was like oh my
35:26gosh that's
35:26so sad like yeah i don't even want to talk about it because it's so hard but like it's hard
35:30for me
35:30and i was just crying i was like i just missed like obviously want my baby i'm like sad like
35:33we're in a
35:33broken home this isn't just about sex for you i think you feel like your core wound is like you're
35:40unlovable because your dad and i think that dakota made you feel that way as well and you're trying to
35:45like fix the relationship with your dad and him and one subconsciously that's just how i see it
35:49and i think that since dakota did this to you it made you feel unlovable it triggered that wound
35:55so you're trying to go to get that validation yeah so with my biological dad there's been really
36:00no relationship at all i met him one time when i was four that is it and he obviously like
36:05didn't
36:05you know want me there is a wound there that subconsciously you weren't enough for them to stay
36:11like i was an option to my dad and now i'm option to dakota because of the trauma i have
36:16lost
36:16faith to find my person and the man of my dreams and so i think the only way to do
36:20that is to work
36:21through this with dakota i always felt there was lies i always could feel it and you ended up being
36:26right every time so it just confirms like everything if you can lie to your so-called love of your
36:31life
36:31for three years in the eyes as they're begging and crying i'm the mother of your child no yeah
36:35oh man dude how are you doing are you doing all right i'm okay i just i get it dude
36:42like i know
36:42the thing i even did it was stupid it was dumb that just seems like you're going through the ringer
36:46dude
36:46like back and forth emotionally dude i don't think you need that no i don't you don't like that's not
36:52healthy for you this will never change yeah you're gonna always hate me she's gonna be stuck in that
36:58until she feels like you understand the hurt and pain yeah you can tell that there's a lot of love
37:05for you underneath yeah you just need to go through a stage of being an emotional punching bag
37:10until she can move past that yeah while at the same time taking space if you need yeah it's a
37:19really
37:19tough thing but dakota needs to give taylor space they have to break this toxic back and forth that they
37:26have and the way for them to do that is to split up and try to heal on their own
37:30someone has to do
37:32it right first yeah yeah i mean that's even what like right there because dakota it's gonna be you
37:38like sorry buddy like it's not gonna be from like an emotion from like an emotional place i feel like
37:42it is you yeah because she has a lot of hurt and she's trying to heal yeah a lot of
37:46parts of her and
37:47like we could see it right you know but like yeah it takes takes one of you and i i
37:52think i have to accept that
37:56um
38:00face me this way yeah because it's a tunnel of like no you go on that side so it would
38:04be something
38:04like this yeah jace is alpha there you go
38:09what the hell are they doing they look a little too comfortable in that position i think you went too
38:13far forward at the end i'm getting like four hours of sleep at night no is she waking up
38:32yeah oh that sucks i know i need to be that or your nanny hey you guys i got an
38:38idea
38:40truth box you've never done one i know i just figured it'd be a good thing for
38:45because you saw it go so well that's pandora's box respectfully i don't want to do it it's time
38:52for the inaugural mom talk and dad talk truth box ew jordan is literally such a wannabe mom talker
39:00uh can you not get original ideas like once again jordan writing on mom talks coattails
39:05are there already questions in there well no we get to ask the questions i see dakota being
39:11completely petrified that taylor's gonna go be the bachelorette i think that this is the perfect
39:15opportunity for dakota to be honest and truthful with taylor yeah i got pens i got cards wait i
39:21was being serious like i don't want to do that okay who voted for jen who voted for whitney
39:27that's a good one i'll start i'll start with that one is dakota coming i don't think so him and
39:32mason
39:33are working out the last thing i'm gonna do right now is play truth box with taylor
39:42i try to stay away from that stuff because i just know that that's like
39:47it's things that's just gonna trigger taylor and i think after the dad's talked to me and stuff
39:51there's only gonna be one person that breaks the cycle and it's gonna be me if i do it but
39:56again
39:57there's part of me that doesn't want to break the cycle because i want to be with her
40:01i just feel like a conversation is probably like what me and taylor need right now
40:06to just kind of sort everything out too even with co-parenting like really just try to get on the
40:10same page you think it's gonna be weird no i don't actually i'm not usually right
40:17mason put your shirt back on take yours off i know why are they working out with their shirts on
40:22is everyone playing or no connor and i have to go connor wants to look at him
40:27i don't want to no he was he was excited
40:30i have the in-person interview wardrobe and thing so i've got to go but i hope everyone told you
40:39guys
40:39i don't think anyone's a fan of the truth box but i know for a fact she wants to win
40:47dancing with
40:48the stars you kind of have to have a good image and so i think she's doing everything to protect
40:52that
40:53do we think jesse photoshopped the picture of jordan's penis
40:57that was before ai existed
41:00right there jesse that's not fucking blurred out you can see the damn tip
41:05all right fam welcome to tonight's festivities jacob who is the least trustworthy in dad talk
41:12oh jordan oh yeah that's no surprise for what because your mouth
41:21who needs mom talk the most
41:24probably dad talk
41:26yeah safe answer miranda question for you taylor do you think you are self-sabotaging the bachelorette
41:35uh-oh i think my life is chaos right now so maybe my whole life so if it's including that
41:42maybe but i'm not specifically thinking bachelorette let's ruin this but my life is always like that so
41:46maybe yes taylor do you think you deserve dakota's love
41:52i'm just kidding
41:56macy how do you feel that jesse chose the unwell event over yours
42:03it looks like i have no choice but to address this with jesse
42:06i feel like the truth box just strikes again
42:20i'm just trying to think of how to answer it
42:22but i felt kind of shitty if i'm being honest
42:26like i feel so bad because you asked me to host it and i felt so honored to do that
42:30it's hard because we're in a position now where it's like there's so many amazing opportunities
42:34obviously that's a huge opportunity for me to get that podcast in the fall
42:37and also if anyone else got the opportunity i would hope that everyone is like thinking of
42:41their careers and themselves
42:42well they try to offer it to me and miranda today but i turned it down for me cissor
42:46thanks
42:50supporting each other is why we're here in mom talk and this is just a very out of character
42:54thing of jesse to do i think all the cool opportunities we're getting are great but i also think it
43:00has potential to pull us away from why we're in mom talk to begin with this is why we are
43:05so successful is that we have always supported each other and i think that that's the most important thing
43:08if i ever get on call her daddy my time will come but i just feel like this is really
43:12big for mace and i don't want to miss it for her
43:14coming from a business standpoint like your very business mindset and that's just naturally like who you are and that's
43:20okay and it makes sense that like that would come first to you
43:23but then you have to think about too that mom talk is a business as well as a friendship
43:26in my head it was like business and friendship
43:28oh for sure
43:29because you obviously know me really well and i know michaela probably would die if i had her host something
43:33so i had agreed to host macy's book event and she kept telling me they hadn't announced that i was
43:38coming yet it was just a special guest
43:39and so i actually didn't know that i had been announced when i told her i was going to do
43:43unwell instead
43:43she always approached me being like hey just let me know what you're going to do no big deal
43:47it's clear that some of the girls are talking about it behind my back and i didn't even realize
43:51she was upset until it got brought up here at truth box i wish she would have actually talked
43:56to me about it i didn't know if you if it mattered to you as much because i know the
43:59other girls are
44:00going so i was like maybe she doesn't care if i'm there i think it's so dumb jesse obviously knew
44:05that it would affect macy because she did agree to host it for her and macy had already put out
44:09the
44:09flyer saying that jesse was going to host it with her i mean obviously macy was going to be upset
44:13and i think jesse knew that i think for me it's just hard because i don't want to ask for
44:18support
44:18you know what i'm saying it's like it's like when you're in a relationship and you're like
44:21oh i want them to do this without having to ask and like and then it doesn't happen naturally so
44:24then i would feel bad in this situation no matter what being like oh host it because i don't want
44:27to take opportunities away from you that you're excited about yeah so i feel like it puts me in a
44:31lose-lose position because i'm like well it's like shitty either way because if you did stay i'd feel
44:35guilty i want you to know like knowing how you feel now i'm not going to go because like i
44:38wanted
44:38to support you bad that you don't know but i didn't no don't feel bad because i didn't know
44:43you felt that way but now that i do that makes my choice easier whereas before i genuinely thought
44:47you like didn't care i thought you were going to be like oh i'll have whitney host it because
44:50i would much rather figure it out obviously support you and like lose that opportunity because there's
44:55going to be more i had to at least consider it but you're my priority and i just want you
44:59to know
45:00i love you and you were there for me through the hardest time in my life and i'm gonna cry
45:03um i just don't want you to everything i don't value you because i really yeah i really do and
45:09i want to be there for you it was good of jacob to give me the advice to confront it
45:12the truth box
45:13was a good way to open up dialogue for me and jesse to talk about the situation and honestly it's
45:17a
45:17good segue into future experiences and just learning how to express my feelings without holding them in
45:22i love you and i'm really sorry i don't ever want you to feel like thank you i would have
45:26chosen
45:26something over you i appreciate that yeah
45:31our la trip is coming to a close and there's a lot on the horizon for mom talk we have
45:37macy with
45:38her book tour dancing with the stars is now in full swing with jen and whitney bachelorette for taylor
45:44is four weeks away i am worried that taylor might not be ready i do fear even just one more
45:51thing added
45:52on mom talk could potentially break it
46:09i never didn't want taylor i've always wished that i could be with her but at the same time i
46:15think
46:15seeing how much pain she is and even if it deals with me is really hard to watch and i
46:20don't want
46:21that for her so i think the one thing i can do now is kind of just learn to let
46:26go so i'm super
46:28nervous to go into this conversation like always with taylor because i usually feel like if she gets
46:33triggered in any way it just ends awful anyways what did you want to talk about
46:42okay
46:43i guess yeah i was just gonna talk about as far as like co-parenting and just maybe how we
47:01can like
47:01move forward in a better way like what are we doing you know like how should we do this tay
47:11how
47:12can we help each other how can we be on the same team like right now okay like you're about
47:18to go on
47:18the bachelorette all this stuff happening like i don't know i think we just need to like swallow the pill
47:24it's like over yeah you haven't swallowed it yet nor have i right can we help each other with it
47:37somehow
47:37because it is gonna hurt and i know that like even after just this like i i like miss you
47:46a lot
47:47and i just realized like sometimes i forget and then i'm like she doesn't want me
47:53okay i don't even know what i'm doing like what's the point of this for me i feel like i
48:00get i confuse
48:01myself because i like obviously like like i care about you though i don't think it's like a secret to
48:06anybody i know i did i loved you yeah but at the same time i could never sit in a
48:12bed with you
48:13and not wonder like what else is going on on the side and that is where my issue will always
48:17lie with
48:18you you know but i'm saying like you're the one that's made this decision like it's not me like i
48:23didn't i i i didn't want this when he says that you're making this decision taylor true but at the
48:31same time i feel like i've had no choice and then not to mention all the other lies with the
48:36girls
48:36that he lied about and talked to behind my back so to believe someone loves you so much
48:40and you're his number one girl and you actually weren't him i respect your decision but what
48:46i'm saying is if you understand it though too yeah yeah but i just like i look at it from
48:52my
48:52perspective of there's tons of things i should have walked away from eating for me that's different
48:57is because i i still chose you like i still i still live always
49:07do you think you would choose me if you knew that i was texting your dad's friend
49:11well i think given what the child the situation well taylor and i didn't tell you again would you
49:17would you choose me still after that i don't think that's okay but don't you know kind of ruin you
49:21forever like with that person forever like i could get over it well that's easy to say it's
49:25what happened to you i i just know who i am i do it i know you're very like insecure
49:29in that sense
49:29of like where like you get jealous so i can't imagine look at me right now though it's different
49:33when you're together with someone that's the only difference i don't have to say i was with you
49:35when that was happening you weren't you we were broke up when that happened i was with you
49:39during my pregnancy what are you talking about no no yeah i'm talking about being sneaky with her
49:43sitting next to her after yes yeah we were together right right so i'm talking about when we're
49:47together i'm not talking about when i'm not trying then listen then listen i did i'm just
49:51just stop talking when it comes to dakota i don't know why i like get so angry so fast and
49:58it's just yeah it's frustrating you never do it you can never do it see what do you want
50:01you always are talking over me you never just listen stop interrupting you're talking over me
50:06you're not listening you're still going you're just never tell the truth of the story though
50:10because if you're going to throw that around that's a big deal you can't just say that
50:13me to be done talking and then talk the point is to listen and every goddamn guy has it except
50:18you i know i shouldn't have slept with dakota it's like a really unhealthy cycle it's like a drug
50:22really i need to figure out why i keep choosing people that hurt me so i can have a good
50:27experience
50:28on the bachelorette if not i could end up in the same situation you're just not you're not a good
50:32guy this is a good reminder this is a good reminder that you're not a good guy so you sleep
50:36in the
50:36same bed i know i hate that i got myself oh yeah okay yeah because i'm so shitty i'm so
50:41all right
50:41right okay taylor you're so innocent and all this no you won't listen you don't just listen okay listen
50:47to me no one fucking listen no no i'm just fucking you listen all i want to do is listen
50:52to what
50:54fucking hurts the person i wanted to be with doesn't listen
51:06help me welcome to the stage the one and only macy nealy you can always create your own future
51:12dreamt of this moment my whole life there are no limits i want to do it all we can't do
51:17it all your
51:17mistakes do not define you what went on in l.a nothing really we're all human at the end of
51:22the day
51:23can i ask you what you're doing two days ago i was 99 is this what i think it is
51:27there's no way we
51:27can help her she doesn't want to help herself hello i'm gonna ask you one time how long have you
51:33known she's about to go on the bachelor what like i can't go date what the fuck about jacoda i'm
51:38gonna
51:38fucking fuck them up jordan's a hard person to be married to but i think he'd be a harder person
51:42to
51:42divorce what do you want man i have to convince myself every day that she does love me we found
51:48your
51:49father does he have any other kids i'd like to go out there and maybe get some answers
51:52whitney only cares about whitney and she knows that i hold power you don't own that dream anyone
51:57in this cast can go on dancing with the fucking stars we all want this for you taylor i'm scared
52:04to death what is happening i know that you're in love with him is he worth it all i'm gonna
52:08say
52:08save a rose for me
52:17make sure i'm all right
52:23cause you can't imagine how i feel inside
52:31how'd i let this happen out of control i wanna let go out of control
52:40oh sometimes there's nothing left to know
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