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00:00We are supposed to be crossing live to Washington to a meeting between American President Donald Trump and the Irish
00:07Prime Minister, Michael Martin, which has just began.
00:10Let's cross now to hear what the two leaders have to say.
00:16Just on this one.
00:17I have gone to Ireland.
00:19Absolutely.
00:20Grant went to Ireland after his presidency.
00:23I was saying earlier, Ronald Reagan's visit was an extraordinary one.
00:30In a place called Ballyporeen in County Tipperary.
00:33And of course, Janet Kennedy.
00:35His grandfather was Irish.
00:38He came back, I think, early 1963.
00:42And that's a very memorable visit because of the tragedy that happened subsequently.
00:48Assassination, which touched people in Ireland very deeply.
00:51Very popular.
00:53Kennedy family strong.
00:55Resonation with Ireland.
00:56Well, we like the family, too.
00:59One person in particular.
01:01One very non-controversial person.
01:03I know that.
01:04But now he's doing a very good job.
01:06He really is.
01:07But we have more, I think, people here by far than you have in Ireland.
01:12Absolutely.
01:13Irish descent.
01:14We have.
01:14So you have quite a few, but we have a lot.
01:17We have a lot more than we have.
01:19It's pretty amazing.
01:20By a lot.
01:21So, thank you.
01:21Anyway, thank you very much.
01:23It's a great honor.
01:24Any questions there?
01:28Thank you, Mr. President.
01:29We want to visit Ireland in September and we used to have two things.
01:32Thank you, my son.
01:32Well, I'm having family.
01:34We have a great golf complex in Ireland, one of the best in the world, called Doonbeg.
01:40It's in Doonbeg.
01:41And it's been amazing.
01:43And Rory McIlroy loves it.
01:44They all love it.
01:46Great golfers.
01:47You have a tremendous golf tradition.
01:49And it was chosen for the Irish Open, which is a big deal.
01:53That's a big event.
01:54Absolutely.
01:54Looking forward to it.
01:55Everybody wants me to be there.
01:57You just said, I hope you're going to go.
01:58I did.
01:59And we're going to try.
02:00We are going to try.
02:01But it would be an honor.
02:02But it was a great honor to be chosen.
02:03They only choose the best courses in the world for the, you know, for the big opens.
02:08It's one of the big ones, the Irish Open.
02:10It's really become one of the most important tournaments in the world.
02:14It's going to do.
02:14I hear it's going to be a fantastic success.
02:18It's a very hard course.
02:25What progress have you made, Mr. President, in getting America's allies to assist the U.S.
02:30in escorting those oil tankers through the strainer formulas?
02:33Well, we don't need too much help.
02:34We don't need any help, actually.
02:36In fact, we just put out a notice.
02:37I was watching over the last couple of weeks.
02:41And all of our NATO allies were very much in favor of what we did.
02:46They thought it was very important.
02:47We were just discussing it, actually.
02:50Very important that we take out the nuclear threat from Iran.
02:54And we've done that very strongly, very powerfully.
02:57We've wiped out their navy, wiped out their military in every aspect.
03:02Their air force is now decimated.
03:04They have no air force, no navy.
03:05They have no radar.
03:08Their radar is entirely gone.
03:10Their anti-aircraft machinery is gone.
03:13Everything is gone.
03:14Their leaders are gone.
03:15I guess one of the top person was, they say, a lot of people say their actual top was killed
03:21yesterday, along with somebody else, who was responsible for the killing, the man that was responsible for the killing of
03:3032,000 people over the last two weeks.
03:32He was in charge of the killing of protesters.
03:36It's an evil group.
03:37I mean, they've killed much more than 32,000 people.
03:40And the man who was responsible for that was also killed yesterday.
03:46And all of the NATO allies agreed with us.
03:50And but they don't want to, you know, despite the fact that we helped them so much, we have thousands
03:55of soldiers in different countries all over the world.
03:57And they don't want to help us, which is amazing.
04:02I mean, amazing.
04:03And I didn't do a full court press because I think if I did, they probably would be.
04:09But we don't we don't need help.
04:11You know, we've we've that war is has been long prosecuted, as far as I'm concerned, almost from day one.
04:18We knocked out many of these things.
04:19We knocked out the Navy essentially in a couple of days.
04:22But I was surprised to see that NATO, while they agree that it was a very important thing to do,
04:28they agree fully.
04:29Nobody said, oh, you shouldn't do it.
04:31They had they would have had a nuclear weapon within one month of when we had the B2 bombers bomb
04:37the nuclear potential.
04:39The I call it the nuclear dust.
04:44So I think NATO is making a very foolish mistake.
04:47And I've long said that, you know, I wonder whether or not NATO would ever be there for us.
04:53So this is a this was a great test because we don't need them, but they should have been there.
04:58The other thing is and I think, you know, very important.
05:04We didn't have to be there for Ukraine.
05:06You know, Biden chose to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine.
05:12And I guess the head of Germany just made a statement that, well, they weren't involved and they have nothing
05:20to do with the war.
05:21But at the same time, they think we did a great thing by knocking them out.
05:26Nobody wants to have nobody wants to have Iran or anybody.
05:30But nobody wants to have Iran with a nuclear because these people are crazy.
05:33They're absolutely crazy.
05:34And they're vicious, violent.
05:36I mean, they kill.
05:37Think of it.
05:37They kill.
05:38Now I hear it's about 41,000 people.
05:40They put out a notice two days ago.
05:42Anybody that protests will be immediately shot and killed.
05:46That's pretty tough stuff.
05:48So everyone agrees with us, but they don't want to help.
05:51And we, you know, we as the United States have to remember that because we think it's pretty shocking.
05:58President Macron has just said in the last hour that he will never join a task force in the straight
06:04reform moves until hostilities finish.
06:06Yesterday you said President Macron of France, what's your reaction to that, sir?
06:12Well, he'll be out of office very soon, so we'll have to see.
06:15You know, I don't know.
06:16Mr. President, on Dune Beg, you're building an extension to it, but there's been an objection put in,
06:25and it's been held back at the moment due to small snails.
06:30Are you disappointed about that?
06:33I have not heard that.
06:36Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President.
06:39I mean, the course was built and it's been operated very successfully.
06:44Somebody's objecting human and environmental group is objecting to...
06:50Mr. President, Mr. President, how close, how close he is to announce a coalition of ruling to secure the straight
06:58reformers.
06:59Which countries are joining and which countries have...
07:02Well, we've had great support from the Middle East.
07:06Qatar has been great.
07:08UAE has been absolutely been great.
07:12Saudi Arabia has been terrific.
07:14Bahrain has been very good.
07:16The Middle Eastern countries have been very strong in their support.
07:19And, of course, Israel has been our partner.
07:22Israel has been very, very strong, along with our...
07:28I was against Iran long before I even thought about Israel being against Iran.
07:35And I was...
07:36If you look back many years ago, I talked about Iran was a big threat to this country, to this
07:43world of ours.
07:45And it turned out to be I was right.
07:48In fact, I said you have to attack Karg Island.
07:53You have to attack them years ago when they were acting up.
07:56They've been acting up for 37, 47, I guess now 48 years.
08:02For 48 years, they've been bad players, vicious players, and you can't let them have a nuclear weapon.
08:09If they got a nuclear weapon, I would say they would have used it within 24 hours after having it.
08:14And they would have had it if we didn't bomb them out from a great raid with the B-2
08:18bombers eight months ago or so.
08:22You would have had a nuclear war in the Middle East and maybe beyond.
08:26I think it would have hit Europe, maybe not Ireland, but it would have hit Europe.
08:30I think you would have been a nice piece of it.
08:33It all gets you.
08:34It's big enough that you would have been affected.
08:35They would have hit Europe eventually.
08:37And Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, your director of national counterterrorism, Joe Kent, he just resigned today.
08:45He said he can't support your conflict with Iran.
08:48What's your reaction to that?
08:49Well, I read his statement.
08:51I always thought he was a nice guy, but I always thought he was weak on security, very weak on
08:56security.
08:58I didn't know him well, but I thought he seemed like a pretty nice guy.
09:03But when I read his statement, I realized that it's a good thing that he's out because he said that
09:09Iran was not a threat.
09:11Iran was a threat.
09:13Every country realized what a threat Iran was.
09:16The question is whether or not they wanted to do something about it.
09:19And many people, many of the greatest military scholars are saying for years that presidents should have taken out Iran
09:26because they wanted a nuclear weapon.
09:27They were, if we didn't do the attack, or if, I'll go a step further, if I didn't terminate the
09:33Iran nuclear deal given to us, one of the worst deals ever made by Barack Hussein Obama.
09:39Remember when they said Boeing 757 is over there loaded with cash, hundreds of millions of dollars.
09:46You would have been very happy.
09:48This was a wonderful thing.
09:49They said hundreds of million people forget that.
09:52Does anybody remember?
09:54Right.
09:55You remember hundreds of millions of dollars in a Boeing 757.
10:00I think that two of them loaded.
10:01They took the seats out and they put cash.
10:04And it was so much that there wasn't a bank in Virginia, Maryland, or D.C. that had any money
10:10left.
10:11They stripped them of all their money, put it into place, sent it to Iran, almost as ransom.
10:18That's not going to happen with Trump.
10:20And nobody ever did anything about it.
10:22Nobody ever said anything about it.
10:24Can you imagine if I did that?
10:25So they've been a threat for a long time, but they've really been a threat.
10:30If if I didn't terminate Obama's horrible deal that he made, the Iran nuclear deal, you would have had a
10:37nuclear war four years ago.
10:41You would have had you would have had nuclear holocaust and you would have had it again if we didn't
10:46bomb the site.
10:47So when somebody is working with us that says they didn't think Iran was a threat, we don't want those
10:55people because and there are some people, I guess I would say that.
10:58But they're not smart people or they're not savvy people.
11:02Iran was a tremendous threat and virtually every NATO nation.
11:06And this is the thing.
11:07If they told me it wasn't a threat and therefore they don't want to help.
11:11But when they say it was a threat and it was a major threat, every one of them, I think
11:17every one of them, I don't know if one that said they're not a threat, but when they say it
11:22was a threat, but we're not going to help.
11:25I think they're very foolish.
11:27You know, it's interesting because I could say this, that what's happening in Ukraine, we're probably in there for $400
11:36billion.
11:37We don't spend any money anymore.
11:39They buy it from us and they pay full price.
11:41But Biden gave them between $350 and $400 billion of equipment and cash.
11:47Some day they'll have to find out about the cash.
11:51And you could say that wasn't a threat, you know, we're helping them.
11:55So we helped them and they didn't help us.
11:59And I think that's a very bad thing for NATO.
12:01Mr. President, Mr. President.
12:03Are there any repercussions for NATO and are you still going to China?
12:08Well, yeah, on China, it's a little different story.
12:12We're resetting the meeting and it looks like it'll take place in about five weeks.
12:17We're working with China.
12:19They were fine with it.
12:20We're going to say, I look forward to seeing President Xi.
12:23He looks forward to seeing me, I think.
12:25But I do look forward to seeing him.
12:27We have a good relationship with China.
12:29China actually has become economically for us very good.
12:35Very good, as you know.
12:36It's much different than it was in the past.
12:38And we have a very good working relationship with China.
12:41So we're making it in about five or six weeks.
12:46Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President.
12:49Mr. President, thank you for not supporting you on this.
12:51Any repercussions?
12:53Well, no, I just think that it's not good for a partnership when they say what you're doing is a
12:58great thing, but we're not going to help.
13:00Mr. President, what you did is a great thing, but we're not going to help.
13:05Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, in Iran, because the Iranian regime has told Sky News,
13:11if you put boots on the ground in Iran, it will be another Vietnam.
13:15Are you afraid of that?
13:16No, I'm not afraid of, I'm really not afraid of anything.
13:19Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, are you rethinking, are you rethinking the United States' relationship with NATO possibly getting
13:28out?
13:29Well, I'm disappointed in NATO that we spend trillions of dollars on NATO.
13:34You know, think of it, trillions over the years, many trillions of dollars.
13:38It's one of the reasons we have deficits and we help other countries.
13:42And when they don't help us, I mean, it's certainly something that we should think about.
13:49I don't need Congress for that decision.
13:50As you probably know, I can make that decision myself.
13:53I'd work with some very smart people.
13:56And I'd always deal with Congress anyway, but I don't need Congress for that decision.
14:00But, you know, when you say rethink, I'm not, I have nothing currently in mind.
14:07But I will say that I'm not exactly thrilled when we help them with Ukraine.
14:13Look, Ukraine would have been over in one day if we didn't help.
14:16Frankly, Ukraine would have been over in the first day.
14:18They had the best equipment in the world.
14:20It was our equipment given by Sleepy Joe Biden.
14:24No charge.
14:25No charge.
14:25Hundreds of billions of dollars of the best equipment in the world.
14:29No charge.
14:30I will say that I'm not happy about it.
14:34Mr. President.
14:36Mr. President.
14:38One on Iran and one on Cuba.
14:40Is Iran now a bigger foreign policy priority for you than China?
14:44And on Cuba, the Cuban government.
14:47Iran is just a military operation to me.
14:50Iran is something that was essentially largely over in two or three days because the Navy was
14:58wiped out almost immediately.
14:59The Air Force came next.
15:02The anti-aircraft came next.
15:05I mean, we're flying over Iran.
15:07We could take out their electric capacity in one hour.
15:11We have all the, there's nothing they can do right now because
15:14everything is knocked out.
15:16They have no, again, no radar, no anti-aircraft.
15:20They have nothing.
15:22And we don't, and it was a decision I made.
15:26We discussed it.
15:27Pete, Marco, JD, all of us, Chris, we discussed it.
15:32We can knock out their electricity in a matter of minutes if we wanted to.
15:36There's nothing they can do about it.
15:38We can knock out their oil in Cargill.
15:40And the only thing we didn't take down was the oil because if we knock out, I call them
15:44the pipes, very complex.
15:46But if you do that, it will take them forever to rebuild, meaning whoever, and hopefully it's
15:53a sane group of people.
15:56But whoever it is that's going to be running that, and we're going to try to get people
16:00that are going to run it well, and, you know, it's going to be a prosperous, wonderful place.
16:05It used to be, you know, if you go back, it used to be a very, the people are great,
16:09the people are smart and energetic, and it used to be very successful.
16:13Now it's a country run by fear.
16:15Or it's a country where they tell protesters, don't go outside, because if you do, we're
16:20going to kill you.
16:21Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President,
16:27Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President,
16:27Well, Cuba right now is in very bad shape.
16:30They're talking to Marco, and we'll be doing something with Cuba very soon.
16:36Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President,
16:38We're really focused on this.
16:39But we're dealing with Cuba.
16:41Marco, do you want to say a couple of words about it?
16:43Yeah, I mean, Cuba has an economy that doesn't work in a political and governmental system.
16:48They can't fix it.
16:50It's not dramatic enough.
16:52It's not going to fix it.
16:53So they've got some big decisions to make over there.
16:55But, Secretary Rubio, do you support, and I know this is up to Congress,
16:59but do you support easing the Cuban, the trade embargo, if you get more cooperation from Havana?
17:05Well, I'm not going to discuss what we would talk about or not.
17:07Suffice it to say that the embargo is tied to political change on the island.
17:11The law, it's been, the embargo is codified.
17:14But the bottom line is their economy doesn't work.
17:16It's a non-functional economy.
17:17It's an economy that has survived.
17:19It's, for 40, that revolution, it's not even a revolution,
17:22that thing they have has survived on subsidies from the Soviet Union and now from Venezuela.
17:26They don't get subsidies anymore, so they're in a lot of trouble.
17:29And the people in charge, they don't know how to fix it.
17:32So they have to get new people in charge.
17:33That's what has to happen.
17:34And the relationship we have with Venezuela has been,
17:37I think you could almost say incredible.
17:39It's been really good.
17:40It's been good for Venezuela and it's been good for us.
17:43And I congratulate the Venezuelan baseball team because that was a big,
17:47that was a big win.
17:48And I guess they play another game tonight in the finals.
17:54This is the first time they've ever been in the finals.
18:00Iran is just a military operation to you.
18:03But do you not have a day after plan?
18:05And if so, what is your day after plan for Iran?
18:08Well, we have a lot.
18:09Look, if we left right now, it would take 10 years for them to rebuild.
18:16But we're not ready to leave yet.
18:18But we will be leaving in the near future.
18:21We'll be leaving in pretty much the very near future.
18:24But right now, they've been decimated from every standpoint.
18:29And again, we've had great support from countries in the Middle East.
18:34Great support.
18:35But we've had no support from, essentially, no support from NATO.
18:39Mr. President, what about your relationship?
18:41Mr. President, what about your relationship with London?
18:44Has it been damaged by the fact that Keir Starmer isn't supporting you in this war?
18:48And has your opinion of Keir Starmer changed because of this?
18:51Well, he hasn't been supported.
18:57I did.
18:59I went out of my way.
19:01As you know, they couldn't make a deal with Biden
19:05because they had no real administration to make a deal with Biden.
19:09But we made a deal.
19:10We made a good deal for them.
19:11And, frankly, probably wasn't appreciated.
19:15I do look forward to seeing...
19:21But, no, I was disappointed because Keir was willing to send two aircraft carriers after we won.
19:29Because, essentially, there's no threat for the aircraft carriers right now.
19:34And they said, no, no, we want things sent before the war, not after the war is won.
19:39So, yeah, I'm disappointed with Keir.
19:41I like him.
19:42I think he's a nice man, but I'm disappointed.
19:44Do you have any questions?
19:45Mr. President, you see that man right there?
19:49You know who that is?
19:51Churchill.
19:51Winston Churchill.
19:52The late, great Winston Churchill and Barack Hussein Obama did not want his bust in his office.
19:59Did you know that?
20:00And Barack Hussein Obama sent that bust back to England.
20:04They didn't want it.
20:06And when I came in, I was asked if I wanted it.
20:09I said, absolutely, I want it.
20:11And I put it right there.
20:12Winston Churchill.
20:13And, you know, unfortunately, Keir is not Winston Churchill.
20:17Do you have any questions?
20:18Mr. President.
20:19Mr. President.
20:21Mr. President.
20:22Mr. President.
20:23Mr. President.
20:24Mr. President.
20:24It pissed on me.
20:25No, no.
20:26Hold it.
20:27Just go ahead.
20:28Hold it.
20:28Hold it.
20:29Just make a number of points.
20:30First of all, I think, notwithstanding what has happened, the transatlantic relationship
20:34between Europe and the U.S. is very, very important on a number of fronts.
20:38And I think we've had issues over the last year.
20:41So we'll be settled on them.
20:42And I think many of these leaders engage with you, particularly on trade initially.
20:46Remember all the fuss last year.
20:47But we've got a landing zone between Europe and the U.S.
20:50And I think we can get a landing zone again.
20:54And I think I just met with Keir Starmer last week.
20:56The British-Irish relationship was a very important one.
21:00Churchill was a great wartime leader.
21:02Although in Ireland, it was kind of a different perspective in terms of during the Royal War of
21:06Independence.
21:07He created his own bit of difficulties for us.
21:10But that said, he was a great wartime Europe.
21:12Keir Starmer has done a lot to reset the Irish-British relationship.
21:15I just want to put that on the record.
21:18But I do believe that he's a very earnest, sound person.
21:23I think you have a capacity to get on with him.
21:25You've gone on with him before.
21:26And you've gone on with other European leaders as well.
21:29And I think you have that capacity again.
21:31And I think everyone exists.
21:33I mean, you cannot have a rogue state with a nuclear weapon or the capacity for a nuclear
21:37weapon.
21:38Iran was the sponsor of terrorism.
21:40We sanctioned Iran.
21:42All the European countries did.
21:44And the ARGC in particular is a terrorist organization.
21:47They sponsored Hamas.
21:48They sponsored Hezbollah.
21:50They had the Houthis.
21:51They created mayhem.
21:52A most maligned force in the Middle East.
21:55The Irish position has always been, ultimately, can we resolve this?
21:59Can we get peace?
22:01And obviously there's preconditions before you get to that situation.
22:03We had our own conflict, which went on for 30 years.
22:07And we learned a lot from that in terms of how to try and bring about peace.
22:12And I think I've listened to you in terms of, you're correct.
22:15I mean, our hearts go to the Iranian people who have been repressed and suppressed for so
22:21many years, culminating in that savage murder of thousands and thousands of Iranians some
22:29months ago.
22:30Did you want to talk to him?
22:31And no one's in a position to do anything about that.
22:35And I think, and likewise with Ukraine, I mean, the Russians did invade Ukraine, have
22:42attacked civilian infrastructure and so on like that.
22:45And for the people of Ukraine who just want peace and an opportunity to live, I think there
22:50is, I think we have to continue to work to see can we bring peace, different regime to
22:56Iran where Iranians can live in peace again and the people in the Middle East can live
23:00in peace.
23:00And you're doing your bit there in terms of the work in Gaza and so on like that.
23:04I think that's what we want is a peaceful resolution of conflict.
23:09That's where we come from as a small nation.
23:10We've been peacekeepers all our lives.
23:13And we're the longest serving nation in terms of provision of peacekeeping forces in the
23:18world as it turns out.
23:19But we think ultimately all conflicts come to an end.
23:23And I think we have to try and work towards that end.
23:27And I'm sure European leaders and the U.S. administration will engage.
23:31And hopefully we can get a landing zone somewhere.
23:37I mean, the only thing, and I agree with everything you said, but we helped with Ukraine.
23:43Yes.
23:44And they don't help with Iran.
23:46And they all acknowledge that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.
23:50You yourself say, you know, these were, these are horrendous people.
23:54These are the worst people and going back to Hitler, right?
24:00Going back to Hitler.
24:01These are the worst people.
24:02That's a long time ago.
24:04And there's been nothing close.
24:06Every problem, every, so many deaths, 90% of the people that got blown up by landmines
24:12and landmines, they loved them.
24:14Soleimani, we killed him.
24:16If we didn't, it might be a different story because he was a horrible person, but he was
24:20a very powerful person and leader, smart.
24:23But we killed him.
24:25If we didn't, I think you'd have it.
24:26I did.
24:26But I think we'd have maybe a different situation.
24:29It wouldn't have been so easy as it has been because it has been very easy.
24:33You know, it's all of their militaries, but you can always have somebody drop a mine in
24:38the water.
24:39That's like terrorism.
24:42And then you have the people that own the billion-dollar ship saying, well, let's not
24:46move that ship yet because we want.
24:48So we thought that Europe would help that because they do have some minesweepers.
24:52But it's amazing that, you know, they all said, what a great job.
24:56They were congratulating us on the great job we did with respect to Iran, and we knocked
25:02the hell out of them.
25:03They're no longer the bully of the Middle East.
25:05They were known as the bully of the Middle East, and they're not the bully anymore.
25:09But you would have thought they would have said, we'd love to send a couple of minesweepers.
25:14It's not a big deal.
25:15It doesn't cost very much money.
25:16But they didn't do that.
25:18So, you know, it's...
25:20I think it's very unfair to the United States.
25:23Not to me, but to the United States.
25:25Go ahead, please.
25:25The Pressure Starmer isn't making...
25:27The President Trump's...
25:27The President Trump's...
25:28She's a fantastic reporter, by the way.
25:30Go ahead.
25:31The Pressure Starmer isn't making the case to the British public as to why he should be
25:36supporting you.
25:37Could you do that now and talk to the UK and to GB News viewers about why it's in their
25:42interest
25:42that we helped you?
25:43The President Trump's...
25:44Well, because we have a tremendous long-term relationship with the UK.
25:49I mean, people would say it's the best.
25:52I don't want to get into that, but we've had...
25:55Who's the longest?
25:56The oldest?
25:57Should be the best.
25:58Always was the best until Keir came along and now...
26:01And I like him.
26:02He's a nice man.
26:03He says everything beautiful.
26:04He's a very nice man with a beautiful family.
26:08Everything's perfect, but he doesn't produce.
26:11And I think it's very inexpensive.
26:14I just said, you don't have to send me aircraft carriers.
26:17Send me a couple of minesweepers.
26:18We don't need your aircraft carriers.
26:19But even the aircraft carriers, he would only send them after we essentially won.
26:24I mean, he's sending them when there are no planes left, when the missiles are down
26:28to 8%.
26:29They have like 8% of the missiles.
26:31The rest, we demolish the missiles and the factories.
26:35Largely, the factories are going even as we speak.
26:37They just hit another factory.
26:38They may have a lot of...
26:39They have a lot of missile factories.
26:41They have a lot of drone factories.
26:43And so he's, you know, wants to send them when we don't need them.
26:46But we'd like to have minesweepers, because just in case...
26:50We don't know that there are any mines down, because we wiped out, I think, 24...
26:54They actually have...
26:55Think of this for a country.
26:56They have 24 boats that do nothing but put mines in the water.
27:01This doesn't sound like a great country.
27:03This doesn't sound like a friendly country.
27:05But we killed all of those boats.
27:07They're at the bottom of the sea.
27:09But we...
27:09So we don't even know if there are any mines there.
27:11But if there are, you know, we'd like to have a little help in finding them.
27:16Most...
27:16Probably most importantly.
27:17Would you like to change your...
27:19Do you have confidence in Keir Starmer?
27:21Would you prefer to deal with...
27:22Well, it's not for me.
27:23It's really...
27:23It's really for the people of the UK to have confidence.
27:28Of course, but...
27:29I mean, I've been very critical of Keir.
27:31And I did it in a friendly way.
27:33I said, if you don't change your energy thing and get away from windmills and go back to
27:39oil and gas and, you know, you own...
27:41You have something that no other country has.
27:45Very few countries have anything like it.
27:47The North Sea.
27:48You have some of the greatest oil and oil deposits in the entire world.
27:55The North Sea.
27:57They don't use it.
27:58You buy a lot of your oil from Norway.
28:02You know where they get their oil?
28:03From the North Sea.
28:05And you pay a...
28:07You never tell them.
28:08And they...
28:09You have the better part of the North Sea.
28:10So why aren't they taking the oil from the North Sea?
28:13Why are they buying oil from Norway?
28:15But they have windmills all over the country destroying those gorgeous Scottish fields and
28:19those beautiful fields all over the windmills, which don't work.
28:24They're tremendously expensive.
28:26And the best testament to that is the windmills are made in China, but China doesn't use them.
28:33You know what China uses?
28:34Coal.
28:35They're building 58 coal-fired plants right now, and that's up to them.
28:39But these foolish countries that are buying windmills, putting them out of business,
28:44I'm proudly telling you that we're going to try and have no windmills built in the United
28:49States during my...
28:53They're very bad.
28:54They're very bad environmentally.
28:56They kill the birds.
28:57They run sightly.
28:58They make a lot of noise.
28:59And for some reason, the environmentalists love windmills, okay?
29:08I think he's a nice man, but I disagree with him on two things primarily.
29:15Immigration, his immigration policy is a disaster, and his energy policy is a disaster.
29:21And they're about the biggest policies you can have.
29:25You've allowed millions and millions and millions of people to come into your country
29:30that shouldn't be there.
29:31And by the way, that's all over Europe.
29:33Europe is a different place.
29:35It's a different place.
29:36And you know, I originate, to put it nicely, I originate, many of us do, from Europe.
29:45I love Europe.
29:47I've spent a lot of time in Europe.
29:50It's a different place.
29:51Bad things have happened to Europe.
29:53Very bad things.
29:55And you better do something about immigration.
29:57And you better do something about energy.
29:59Or you won't have a Europe.
30:02What's your time frame, Mr. President, for when cargo ships can safely go through the straight
30:07of the coast?
30:07It won't be, I don't believe, too long.
30:09We're knocking the hell out of the coast.
30:11It's basically the coast and the water.
30:14And it won't be too long.
30:16And the Middle Eastern states, including Israel, by the way, who has been terrific.
30:23The Middle Eastern states have been helping us a lot.
30:31Go ahead.
30:32Mr. President, on field prices, what do you have to say to the people in Ireland who are
30:36paying sky-high prices because of your war on Iran?
30:38Well, I think the people in Ireland are very happy that I'm getting rid of, I have a lot
30:43of friends from Ireland.
30:44They're very happy that I'm getting rid of a nuclear power, a nuclear terrorist.
30:49And as soon as that war is over, which will be soon, your prices are going to drop like
30:54a rock.
30:55You watch.
30:57I've been very, I've been very good at projecting this.
31:00In the back.
31:01Mr. President, what do you think about our President's comments?
31:04What do you think about our President's comments?
31:15Mr. President, how do you respond to the increase against the U.S. embassy and consulate in
31:23Khursar region?
31:24Do you want to answer that?
31:27Do you want to?
31:27Yeah.
31:29The U.S. has control over the embassy.
31:31Look, there have been a lot of militia attacks against our embassy in Iran.
31:36I think Marco's done a good job of limiting the number of people who are at that embassy
31:40so we can provide essential functions but also protect our people.
31:43But it goes to show there are a lot of terrorists in that region of the world, and we've got
31:46to eliminate them when we find them.
31:48And you can't give them nuclear weapons.
31:51You can give them rifles.
31:52You can give them guns.
31:53You can't give them nuclear weapons.
31:55I think we agree very strongly.
31:57Just on the immigration one.
31:59Yes, excuse me.
32:00First of all, I would say that Europe is still a very good place to live in.
32:03Good.
32:03Just a legend.
32:05I'm glad to hear that.
32:07And you've been watching the U.S. President Donald Trump meet the Irish Prime Minister.
32:15Obviously, the two men were initially supposed to be there to mark St. Patrick's Day,
32:20but clearly the meeting in the White House very much dominated by events in the Middle East.
32:25In particular, Donald Trump did not hold back about what he thinks in regards to NATO
32:32and the fact that NATO members have not supported his request for their help in securing the Strait of Hormuz.
32:39Let's take a listen to what he said earlier.
32:42We don't need help.
32:44You know, that war has been long prosecuted as far as I'm concerned, almost from day one.
32:51We knocked out many of these things.
32:52I think NATO is making a very foolish mistake.
32:55And I've long said that, you know, I wonder whether or not NATO would ever be there for us.
33:01So this is a this was a great test because we don't need them, but they should have been there.
33:06I'm watching that meeting in the White House with me is Kadavan Gorgastani, our international affairs editor.
33:12It was very clear, wasn't he, the American president?
33:15We don't need them, but they should have been there is what he was telling reporters.
33:20Absolutely.
33:21There's a lot of contradiction in what Donald Trump said.
33:26And it's something that he said in a post on Truth Social just before starting the meeting with the Taoiseach
33:32of Ireland.
33:33And he insisted that the U.S. doesn't need help.
33:38But yet he's frustrated that the allies didn't come to help the United States.
33:44Surprised, he said, to see that NATO wasn't joining to help, even though he said they had agreed with what
33:51we did.
33:52So seemingly saying that those NATO allies supported Donald Trump's war on Iran, the strikes on Iran, that in itself
34:02is not necessarily true.
34:04Some countries may have said we're not going to cry over the end of the Iranian regime or the fact
34:10that their nuclear program is destroyed.
34:13However, almost all of them also indicated that they did not agree with the way that the U.S. and
34:20the Israelis had gone after Iran,
34:24talking about the fact that this was against international law, among them Emmanuel Macron.
34:30And there was also this comment by Donald Trump where he said that he was once again wondering whether or
34:38not NATO allies would be there for us
34:40and that this was an example of those NATO allies not being there for the United States when the United
34:46States needed them,
34:48even though the U.S., as he says, has spent trillions and trillions of dollars over the years to protect
34:54NATO allies, especially the Europeans.
34:57This, of course, already putting aside the fact that, for example, the use of Article 5 of NATO, an attack
35:04on one is an attack on all.
35:06The only time that it was invoked was after the 9-11 attacks in New York and around New York.
35:14And that was when the allies came to help the United States.
35:18A final thing that I would say on the part about NATO and how Donald Trump has long railed against
35:27these allies,
35:29saying they're freeloaders of American security.
35:31One reporter asked him whether there would be consequences or repercussions about the response of the NATO allies,
35:40whether he could pull out of NATO.
35:42And Donald Trump said he was not considering it, that if he wanted to, he could.
35:47That is not true because at the end of 2023, Congress, this was still under Biden, thinking about the possibility
35:55of Donald Trump returning to the White House,
35:58passed a law that specifically says that if a U.S. president wants to pull out of NATO,
36:03it needs two-third approval of the Senate or a law passed by Congress.
36:08And guess who was the co-sponsor of that law back in 2023, which included in the National Defense Authority?
36:17It was the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who is sitting right there in the Oval Office with Donald Trump.
36:23Now, Kadavan, the other breaking news this afternoon is that Joe Kent,
36:28the director of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center, announced his resignation.
36:33He cited his concerns saying he could not in good conscience back the Trump's administration war with Iran.
36:42Now, Donald Trump was asked about that. What did he have to say?
36:45Well, he dismissed Joe Kent as he does when people that were once close to him turn on him.
36:53He usually says things like they are weak and I don't really know them.
36:58And that's exactly what he said about Joe Kent.
37:00He said he was weak on national security and that he did not really know him.
37:05That's the usual way that Donald Trump deals with this.
37:09But the other thing that was interesting was that the focus of his dismissal, if you will, of this news
37:18about Joe Kent,
37:19was the fact that Joe Kent said that Iran was not posing any imminent threat to the United States.
37:28And that was one of the justification of the Trump administration to go and strike Iran.
37:35And Donald Trump said that this was completely stupid to say this because Iran was a threat.
37:42He did not use the word imminent. And that is, of course, the heart of the matter.
37:47Was it simply a threat, which almost everybody would agree on?
37:52Or was it an imminent threat, which would warrant and justify the use of force, at least under US law?
38:01And this is something that the Trump administration is really focusing on because the press secretary just before this meeting
38:10started responded to Joe Kent's letter on social media.
38:15And she also very much focused on this idea that there was no imminent threat and tried to sort of
38:23show the basis, the elements, the factual elements that showed that there was imminent threat.
38:30But just a reminder that just a few days ago, Caroline Levitt, the press secretary herself, when she was asked
38:36what factual basis Donald Trump used to know that there was an imminent threat, she said he had a feeling
38:44based on a fact.
38:46So this, it seems, is going to be where the Trump administration is going when it comes to questions about
38:53Joe Kent.
38:54The other aspect of Joe Kent's letter was also the influence of Israel.
38:59He says that it was Israel's intense lobbying as well as the Jewish lobby in America that pushed, basically, Donald
39:09Trump, tricked him, deceived him, he used that term, into getting into this war.
39:14And that is really a sort of symbol of the growing rift within Donald Trump's base.
39:23Joe Kent was no liberal Democrat, no holdover from a previous administration.
39:29He was a Trump supporter through and through.
39:32He was very much MAGA, but he was the ideological wing of MAGA that believed Donald Trump when he campaigned
39:41on no forever wars, no intervention in the Middle East, America first.
39:46We don't care.
39:47We are not the policemen of the world.
39:49And that is exactly what he puts in that letter.
39:51And he is pretty much the first very clear and official person from an official position to resign citing those
40:01policy differences.
40:02We heard podcasters criticize Donald Trump on this foreign war, but no one from within the administration.
40:09This is really a first official crack, if you will, in the Trump coalition.
40:16And it seems that that crack could start to widen if this war, of course, drags on for more than
40:25what Donald Trump would like.
40:27That's kind of dark.
40:27.
40:27It's
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