00:00We ate more pasta than we should have. Pizza and...
00:16First of all, let me say that this movie is crispy.
00:19No, thank you.
00:21And speaking about crispy, why food is so important in your movies?
00:26Here we have an important scene with a pie.
00:30Why do you love food so much in your movies?
00:32You know, that is a great question.
00:34I don't think anybody has asked me that,
00:36because I've made even the TV shows a lot about food.
00:38I think it's the ritual of it.
00:41It's really important to me.
00:42We just had a giant Italian lunch.
00:46We had more pasta than we should have.
00:49Pizza and now we're...
00:50We're not sleepy, but we could be.
00:54We really...
00:56Even when you say it, it's an important emotional ritual
01:03for intimacy, family, friendship.
01:06So I think that's how I associate it with it.
01:08Maybe the Indian culture, which is, I think, very similar
01:10to the Italian culture in this manner.
01:12I totally get it.
01:14And Josh, I think that you gave us the modern Norman Bates smile.
01:21It's amazing.
01:22How did you work on that smile?
01:24It all comes from an internal work,
01:25the internal work of creating the character.
01:27Like it's not...
01:28I don't like stand in the mirror and try and pull faces.
01:31It's more...
01:32And then bring those to set.
01:34I work more from the inside out.
01:35And when I'm on set, I try not to think at all about
01:37what I'm doing with my face the way that...
01:39When we're in a conversation, we're not really thinking
01:41so much about what we're doing with our face.
01:43We might be reading the face that's in front of us,
01:45but we probably won't be so concerned
01:48with the way that we're coming across.
01:50Otherwise, it feels stilted.
01:51And you can tell when people are doing that, right?
01:53They feel...
01:53They look uncomfortable.
01:54And I don't ever want the character to seem
01:57like he's uncomfortable.
01:58So really, in that situation,
01:59it was the combination of elements.
02:01Like he is being...
02:03He's finding out that this whole thing
02:05was set up for him for the first time.
02:07He's somewhat flattered by that
02:08because he's a narcissist.
02:09But he's also sort of scary
02:11because he doesn't want his daughter to find out
02:13because he feels something toward her
02:14that he doesn't quite understand yet.
02:16And then he's trying to cover,
02:18which he's never experienced this situation before
02:22where suddenly there's...
02:24He's forced to reveal...
02:25He's in his...
02:26Basically the butcher
02:27and his character of Cooper are coming in contact.
02:30And so he tries to cover,
02:32but he's not very good at covering
02:33because everything's a little bit off.
02:34And so I think that's what created
02:36the creepy Norman Batesy smile.
02:39Should Norman Bates be scared of Cooper?
02:42Or...
02:43Should Norman Bates be scared of Cooper?
02:45Yes.
02:46In a fictional universe where the two of them...
02:48Yeah, I would be.
02:49I would say that...
02:50I would say that he...
02:51Yeah.
02:52Yeah.
02:52I don't think Norman Bates stands a chance.
02:56And speaking about being scared...
03:00Cooper is so nice.
03:01He fools everybody.
03:02Jamie, the t-shirt guy.
03:04Everybody.
03:04Because he's so nice.
03:06Why, in your opinion,
03:08we are so afraid of people who are nice?
03:10We should be afraid of people that are too nice.
03:14That's so...
03:14That's interesting what you just said.
03:16I didn't think that that's where you were going with the question.
03:20The urban nightmare is that these individuals that are real, that have no empathy, are the
03:27people we can't tell because they're so good at manipulating us.
03:30Like, I would be the easiest target for Cooper.
03:33I feel like you could just, like, say something sweet.
03:36They would code switch in a way that they would go, wow, I know how to manipulate this guy.
03:41And I would be like, oh, what a sweet guy.
03:43I love that Cooper.
03:44You know, I'd really, really be like that.
03:46You know, I think the worst thing is when you...
03:51We can only judge each other by our assessment of your humanity, of your emotions.
03:56But if that's false, it's terrifying.
04:00It's worse than...
04:02You know, it's the worst thing ever.
04:03I think, you know, in many ways it shoots our alarm signals up that we're being betrayed
04:07in a way.
04:08So when that betrayal is revealed, it's horrifying.
04:11It also increases the paranoia of the film.
04:14Because we're looking at each other after the film.
04:16I mean, there's a moment in the script where someone says something about why she thought
04:21that Cooper was different.
04:23Could be really bad.
04:24And it's so mundane.
04:26And I was like, God, I've had that experience with lots of people where they've done something
04:30that I thought was a little bit odd.
04:31And like, is that...
04:32Does that mean they're a psychopath?
04:33And so you start to think, like, after reading all these books on psychopathy, I was basically
04:37like seeing psychopaths everywhere.
04:40Which is part of the insidious nature of a film like this.
04:45Yeah, paranoia.
04:46And yeah, it's cool.
04:46I love how you shot the concert.
04:49And it's amazing because now my concert experience will be forever changed.
04:54I always look to things like, hmmm, is this going to hmmm?
04:59So did this movie change also your concert experience?
05:04The next time will you think about all those things or not?
05:08Well, for me, it's the love of the concert experience I was putting against Cooper's situation.
05:14that this is such a joyful experience for so many families and so many kids that this is
05:22like a ritual that we love, you know?
05:25And it's at this place that he has to navigate a very dark thing.
05:31And so it's really kind of all that joy and love is working against him or making it kind
05:37of ridiculous what he has to do because he still has to dance and, you know, all of that.
05:41Makes it funny.
05:43Yeah, makes it funny.
05:44And this character is, I feel like, I mean, I went to a Taylor Swift concert recently with my daughters
05:49and I hadn't been to a pop concert since I was a little kid.
05:52So I didn't really understand the sort of relationship that the audience has with the pop star on stage nowadays
05:59until, you know, I went to this concert four or five weeks ago.
06:02and it was so exact, that sort of the intensity of the feeling from the audience up toward Taylor Swift
06:09and the way that Ari or Riley in the movie feels about Lady Raven.
06:14It's just, it's not exaggerated at all, which I found really surprising.
06:18And that sort of adoration is kind of wild to be around.
06:21It's another form of sort of unhinged, you know, like kind of, so there's all sorts of different versions of
06:28unhinged in this movie.
06:30Sweet.
06:30Thank you so much.
06:31Thank you.
06:32Godetevi il concerto.
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07:01Sorry!
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