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Shan, RJ, and Bobby discussed why the Rashan Gary addition might be better than some fans think, highlighting analysis from Cody Alexander and other analytics voices who believe the move helps raise the floor of the Cowboys’ defense. They explained how Gary’s run defense and scheme fit in Christian Parker’s system could help Dallas improve one of its biggest weaknesses, while also reacting to projections that view Gary as one of the most valuable edge additions this offseason, and more.

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00:00Make us feel good about one of these Cowboy additions.
00:02Let's do it.
00:03Rashawn Gary, who a lot of people just, I think, have decided that they want to
00:10just make up their minds already because they saw, like, what his SAG numbers have been
00:13and they listened to some Green Bay fans that were just kind of tired.
00:16See, the opposite was when the Cowboys traded Oso Digizua yesterday,
00:20everybody who had been complaining about him all of a sudden acted like they've loved him
00:23the whole time and wanted to keep him.
00:26Packers fans were like the opposite.
00:27They have just now acted like Rashawn Gary was never good and they never loved him.
00:32But one guy, Cody Alexander, over at Match Quarters, who is one of the more prominent,
00:38like, emerging new media analysts and has been, like, if you look on Brian Schottenheimer's
00:45social media, for instance, it is one of the handful of accounts that Brian Schottenheimer
00:48like follows as Match Quarters, which just dives into a lot of different defensive philosophy,
00:55X's and O's, how players fit in the scheme.
00:57Cody's really, really smart.
00:59He's been on G-Bag a lot lately.
01:00But Cody Alexander was on his podcast, Let's Talk Ball.
01:05Love the name.
01:06Love the name, Cody.
01:07It's good stuff.
01:07No wonder Schottenheimer follows him.
01:09Cody Alexander was on his podcast yesterday and they were doing an overview of NFL free
01:16agency and where things stood.
01:17And he is a big fan so far of what the Cowboys have done, particularly with Sean Gary.
01:21This is the first cut here where Cody Alexander says this is about raising the floor for the
01:26Dallas Cowboys defense.
01:28This is 100% about raising the floor.
01:32So here's another thing, too, when you're looking at these moves is everybody wants to
01:38focus on the ceiling.
01:39They want to focus on the high guys.
01:41But you have to understand, like, where are we setting our floor?
01:45If I go out and buy a high-priced free agent and I put him on a pedestal, well, who
01:51the
01:52hell else is playing around him?
01:53We've seen this too often where a team is just like, we're going to throw a bag at a guy.
01:58And then we don't give him any complimentary players.
02:01And then we look back after a couple of years and we're like, man, that was a terrible, that
02:04was a terrible signing.
02:06That kid, that guy's washed.
02:07And then he goes somewhere else and he, you know, automatically becomes a good player.
02:11And it was like, well, maybe it was the people that were around him, the scheme that he's
02:14playing.
02:14And I think, again, look, this is, this is Kenny Clark and Rashawn Gary.
02:20Do not forget Christian Parker was with the Packers when both of these guys were, were pretty
02:25much in their prime.
02:26I think he understands how to use them.
02:28And he had talked about that.
02:30He was one of the ones yesterday who he's in, he's analytics.
02:33He's X's and O's.
02:34Cody has a lot of varied things.
02:36Cody was saying that, yeah, the reality is that maybe Osa wasn't totally a fit.
02:40Solomon Thomas probably wasn't a fit.
02:42Like this is a remaking of, of what you want to look like as the true fit.
02:45And Rashawn Gary is that.
02:46And he had talked about, you know, we, we, we remember Nico saying, I think fans are starting
02:51to see the vision.
02:52Cody Alexander is seeing the Cowboys defensive vision.
02:56Again, this is about, we've been the worst run defense, arguably like really over the
03:03past five years, which is by design.
03:05I mean, it's by design.
03:06Dan Quinn had designed that defense for that.
03:09Yeah.
03:09But this is, this is Christian Parker in not a blitz heavy system in more of a coverage
03:15system that he knows he's going to have to rebuild the secondary.
03:17What you can't have is as we're rebuilding the secondary that we owe, by the way, we cannot
03:22stop the run again for another year.
03:25So now you've got Rashawn Gary, who is a heavy, heavy edge.
03:30Okay.
03:30He's not going to drop a lot.
03:32That's perfect.
03:33Now you have all of these kinds of rotational light edges that you can now move around.
03:38It's going to look, I think a lot like what Seattle looked like last year.
03:41They still need to figure out the nickel position.
03:43I think they're going to figure that out through the draft.
03:46But I think that, like you said, they're not going to get enough credit and they're going
03:50to still, everything again, will be projected back to, oh, you had Michael Parsons.
03:55Yeah, that's great.
03:55But you got Quinn Williams.
03:56Now you got Kenny Clark, who is a solid nose.
03:59And then now you've got Rashawn Gary, who is good, not great, but that's exactly what
04:03you want.
04:04It's positive.
04:05It's a positive review for Rashawn Gary and where he fits in.
04:08And we've got an analytics review now that is very, very positive.
04:13So Kevin Cole, who previously had been a data scientist at PFF, he broke off, branched
04:19away, probably realized that the grades that they have over there at PFF are stupid.
04:23And he wanted to get into doing the real work.
04:27But he was previously a data scientist.
04:28So he's gone off now and created a really successful newsletter and podcast called
04:33Unexpected Points, which tries to look at.
04:35Imagine when you're like growing up and you're like, mom and dad, I'm going to be a
04:38data scientist.
04:39And they're like, yes.
04:41And they're like, what field?
04:42What are you studying?
04:43They go, football.
04:44Yeah.
04:45And they're like, what?
04:46A data scientist for football.
04:49So you remember in Moneyball, we've all watched Moneyball.
04:52In Moneyball, Jonah Hill says, you want to buy, what's he say?
04:56You want to buy runs or you want to buy wins?
04:58You're looking to buy, yeah, you're looking to buy runs to buy wins.
05:02And so he's like, people just view things incorrectly.
05:05Similarly, they look at it as in the evolution of EPA, expected points added, and then how
05:11efficient you're playing.
05:12When you're acquiring players, it's a lot similar to you're looking to buy points.
05:17You're trying to buy points to create margins and then get to victories.
05:22In fact, he's had this breakdown that he's done the last couple of years trying to look
05:26at the improvement index and how it impacts teams, how teams who spend and improve their
05:33rosters, whether it be by subtractions, like for instance, a Kenneth Murray subtraction on
05:37its own would probably improve it because you compare it to a league average player the
05:42way that War or one of those other ones would.
05:44And he had said yesterday when he released the index, the first version of it yesterday,
05:48he said it doesn't always project perfectly, he said, but in 2025, the top three winners
05:54were the Patriots, the Bears, and the Panthers.
05:59So Patriots, Bears, and Panthers had all improved at the highest level last offseason.
06:03Those were three playoff teams.
06:04The three that were at the bottom in this index last year were the Chiefs, the Jets, and the
06:10Eagles.
06:11And the Chiefs, Jets, and Eagles all regressed tremendously.
06:14So he had done his index yesterday, and it's a breakdown that tries to look at how much
06:20an individual player contributes to expected point differential added or lost over a league
06:26average player.
06:27So similar to War, if War is zero and you're above it or below it, that means you're above
06:31or below an average replacement level player.
06:33So he took a look specifically at the edge rushers that have been acquired that he's gone
06:36through projections for already.
06:38This is who he's had on there.
06:38Rashawn Gary, Jalen Phillips, Adafi Owe, Draymond Jones, Boye Mafe, Quidi Pei, Arden
06:46Key, and Jermaine Johnson.
06:48Those were all the edge rushers that he had processed as of yesterday.
06:51Out of all those acquisitions, Rashawn Gary is projected by that model to be the best player
06:56in 2026 out of that whole group.
06:58In fact, if you look at how much each team paid, if you say, all right, how many expected
07:03points added you've added here as an acquisition, Rashawn Gary leads in this entire group, he's
07:09at 10.6.
07:10The next closest would be 9.8 is the next closest, but he's at 10.6.
07:18And when you look at what everybody's supposed to add there and how many millions you paid
07:24for each point that they're expected to add.
07:27So how much did you spend on every point that they're giving you?
07:31The Cowboys paid $1.88 million per point with Rashawn Gary.
07:35The Panthers paid $3.4 million for Jalen Phillips.
07:39The Commanders paid $5.1 million for Odafe Owe, and the Bengals paid a stunning and the
07:45largest margin of the entire edge group.
07:47They paid $5.7 million per point with Boye Mafe.
07:50Wow.
07:51So these are like the projections that when you look at how they've broken out and how
07:56this, and again, this is a projection, but this whole thing is done with a lot of deep
08:01study and research into scheme fit, how guys are projected to work under new coaching staffs,
08:06projections out over a hundred simulations and putting them into circles.
08:10But he was by far out of all the edge groups by a full point over anybody else was the
08:14most
08:15like, like the largest gap presented of points added.
08:19So Barnwell weighed in on it.
08:21Gary looked to be on track to stardom in 2021 and 2022 before tearing an ACL.
08:27And while he has not been quite as productive since, I wonder if setting expectations might
08:32reveal a player who can be useful on the right contract.
08:35He's produced seven and a half sacks in each of the past two years, 15 knockdowns in 2024
08:41and 20 and 2025, benefited from playing across from Micah.
08:45Uh, Gary was still chipped at a slightly above average rate.
08:49His pressure rates were a little below average league average on the edge, but there's still
08:53a solid edge rusher there.
08:55I would have liked to see the Cowboys do this for a six or seventh as it stands.
09:00They probably paid a little too much in terms of capital and they will shell out a little
09:05too much to Gary who makes 18 and 20, 26 and 21 next year.
09:09I suspect he would have been looking at an annual salary of something closer to 12 to
09:1415 and free agency.
09:15And we were kind of speculating.
09:17Or net.
09:18Yeah, no, Barnwell's wrong.
09:19At least what he was making or more.
09:21Yeah, he's wrong.
09:22I love the first clip he had where he said, you know, look at, look at raising the floor
09:28as opposed to buying high.
09:30It's the old phrase.
09:31And I don't know if it's an old phrase.
09:32Maybe I just came up with it.
09:33I'm gonna take credit for it right now.
09:34Mine the gold, buy the silver.
09:37I've never heard it.
09:38Okay.
09:38You want to mine for gold and you want to buy your silver.
09:41So you want to draft your superstars and then you want to buy the small pieces to put around
09:47the perfect world out of course.
09:49You can't always do that because the moment you miss on a draft pick, you got to go buy
09:52them somewhere else on the expected points, added scale in these projections out of all
09:57the addressers.
09:58Gary is slightly behind first in terms of expected pass rush production.
10:02He's at a 6.7 and then you've got 6.8 on Arden key, but he is by far the
10:07highest graded
10:08run defender expected out of the entire edge group.
10:10So the nerds signing off on Rashawn Gary.
10:13So far, nerds respectfully.
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