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Seth and Sean discuss what Aaron Wilson had to say on his livestream about veterans the Texans are interested in along the offensive line.
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00:00Let's get to some of the stuff that Aaron Wilson had to say on his live stream.
00:05I didn't get to see the live stream, Seth.
00:07I only saw the aftermath of people summarizing some of the bullet points.
00:10Real quick, though, by the way, as far as him asking whether the wide receiver class is trash,
00:15I mean, he does have a point in that, look, George Pickens is locked up by the Cowboys right now.
00:20So it's Alec Pierce, and then it's Mike Evans, who is how old now?
00:2586 years. He just turned 86 years old.
00:27Yeah, he's going to be 33 this year.
00:30And then it's Debo Samuel, and nobody knows what the hell is going on in his head at any time.
00:34Not arguing that part.
00:35Yeah, so it's not a great – I mean, it's rare that there's an awesome wide receiver free agency class.
00:40They don't hit the market.
00:41They get locked down.
00:43It's rare awesome anything hits the free agent market.
00:45I would say free agency in general this year is – the strength of the free agency class this year
00:52is why people are talking so much about trades.
00:55Yes.
00:56It's – teams have locked up a lot of the better guys.
00:58I think Tyler Linderbaum at some point will probably hear his – is going to be stuck with the Ravens.
01:04Maybe.
01:04I'm not – I'm personally not expecting him to even hit free agency, but we'll see.
01:08Wow, so you think they sign him before Monday?
01:11You think they sign him this – that's your – I mean, you said –
01:15That's my suspicion.
01:15Okay.
01:16Yeah, yeah.
01:16But we'll see.
01:17Yeah.
01:18It wouldn't shock me.
01:19I base that on nothing at all.
01:20No, no, no.
01:21Other than pessimism.
01:22Well, and the Ravens are a well-run football team, and well-run football teams retain players like Tyler Linderbaum.
01:27You know, that would make sense.
01:29All right.
01:29What was Aaron chit-chatting about last night on the live stream?
01:33When – the – sorry.
01:37Aaron Wilson was on his live stream last night on YouTube.
01:40Yep.
01:40You can subscribe.
01:41And he does a lot of – he does these long live streams, and a lot of times he has
01:45little tidbits just hidden in there that feel like it could be headline material.
01:49But most of these that we're going to play from Aaron Wilson was just when he was answering questions from
01:55viewers.
01:56So if it sounds like he's kind of bored or something, he's kind of like rapid fire going through and
02:00answering questions.
02:01This is Aaron Wilson on free agent interior offensive lineman Kevin Zeitler and Wyatt Teller.
02:08They didn't show any interest in Kevin Zeitler.
02:11I did hear that Wyatt Teller – there's a little bit of interest in him.
02:16Yeah.
02:16And it's mutual.
02:17He's interested in them.
02:18We'll see.
02:19He's looking for a spot.
02:21Okay.
02:22Yeah.
02:22So, okay.
02:23Kevin Zeitler from – was with the Titans last year.
02:25Played well.
02:25But he's also in his – entering his mid-30s.
02:28He's long in the tooth.
02:29Yeah.
02:29Oh, he's actually in his – I think he's 35.
02:31Yeah.
02:31He's been around a while.
02:33Wyatt Teller also getting old, but one of the great – one of the members of the great diaspora on
02:39the offensive line up there in Cleveland.
02:42Still a viable football player.
02:44I get nervous about Wyatt Teller just because, boy, like the Shaq Mason, the Laken Tomlinson, the solid veteran guards
02:53the Texans have brought in.
02:55Yeah.
02:55Seem to age rapidly when they get to Houston.
02:58Yeah.
02:58And that's my only reservation there is that Wyatt Teller hasn't been as good the last couple years.
03:03And he's also been on a bad football team.
03:05Well, as you know, as I point out, as people probably get sick of me pointing out, I dip in
03:10on Cleveland radio every now and then.
03:11Yeah.
03:11If I'm going to dip in out of market on my way into work in the morning, I like listening
03:14to the guys on 92.3 The Fan.
03:17They were not – and Wyatt Teller is going to be hitting free agency.
03:22The Browns didn't cut him.
03:24He posted on Instagram that he's not going to be back in Cleveland next year.
03:28Yeah.
03:28So that's the situation right now.
03:30So it's interesting that the whole mutual interest thing and so much as we're not in a period of time
03:34where, I guess, legally there can be expressed mutual interest.
03:38This is where I was going with this, Seth.
03:41They were not happy to see him go up there.
03:44Yeah.
03:44You know, so I judge that sometimes.
03:45They were the ones watching him every snap the last couple years.
03:48The only thing about him is I think he's still, from everything I've read and just watched a little bit
03:54of him, he's still good in pass protection, but his run blocking has started to fall off.
04:01Okay.
04:01And he also had a – he had a calf injury last year.
04:04So if it's a – I think the PFF had projected for him a one-year $3 million salary.
04:11Oh.
04:12I'd say, well, yeah, do that.
04:14Yeah.
04:14Do that.
04:15Bring in a young guy.
04:16Compete.
04:16Have him be the swinger or whatever.
04:18If it's for reasonable money and it's on a one- or two-year deal, cool.
04:21I'd be all about that.
04:22I'm not really interested in, you know, the contract they gave Shaq Mason.
04:25When Shaq Mason was in his 30s and, you know, his play started to fall off, he was getting injured,
04:32all of that.
04:32Wyatt Teller turns 32 in November.
04:35So he's 31 years old right now.
04:37He was a pro bowler in 2021, 2022, and 2023 for the Browns.
04:42He's been with the Browns for the last seven seasons.
04:45So he's played good football for the Browns a couple of years ago.
04:49You know, it's funny.
04:51I almost feel like there's going to be this dynamic, Seth, with Texan fans that it won't matter the name
04:56of the – it could be a good player that they're getting at one-year $3 million.
05:00And I think people will be mad that they're spending one-year $3 million.
05:04You know what I mean?
05:05Like, that it'll – it could be a pro bowler that they get for one-year $6 million and people
05:10will be like, there they go, spending in the – spending in the cheapo aisle again.
05:14And it could be an actual productive and good player.
05:18That's what I'll be anxious to see.
05:19Because Wyatt Teller, one-year $3 million, I mean, that's a – any team should sign him for that.
05:23Well, I think that's – but the difference is the age part of it.
05:26And that's where you just – the Texans have seen when you sign some of these guys from the bargain
05:31bin and they're older guys, oh, okay, that's the reason that they're ranked as low as they are.
05:37Where some of the younger guys – like, Ed Ingram is probably going to – Ed Ingram has not been
05:41as good a player as Wyatt Teller.
05:43But Ed Ingram is probably going to get a higher contract than Wyatt Teller in free agency.
05:47Because either the Texans or somebody else is going to bet on this last season being the real version of
05:53Ed Ingram, where he played way better than he had in his first few years.
05:55Yeah, all I'm saying is that one-year $3 million, which is what you said someone – that's like –
06:00Daria Gumboale made one-year $2 million last year.
06:02I don't trust some of these PFF projections.
06:04I don't either.
06:05I think he's going to get more than $3 million.
06:07They're kind of – it's where, like, Isaac Saumalo is the top-ranked guard that they have.
06:13Yeah.
06:13And they have him on a one-year $8 million contract.
06:17He's 33 years old, so that's part of it.
06:18But I'd give that to him, you know?
06:20Oh, yeah, no, no, no.
06:21I would totally give that to him.
06:22Yeah.
06:23That's a different deal, especially for the older guys.
06:25Yeah, a one-year deal.
06:26The problem – like with Shaq Mason, they traded for him and he was on his deal, but they ended
06:30up extending it.
06:31Yeah.
06:31That was the part that ended up being – it didn't work out well.
06:35That was a painful part.
06:36All right, what else is Aaron dishing on here?
06:38All right, Aaron also, speak of the devil, talking about other offensive linemen, was just talking again about free agents
06:46that somebody had asked him about.
06:47This on Braden Smith, the offensive tackle from the Colts, and Cade Mays, the center.
06:52I think they're on Braden Smith, they're on Cade Mays, have interest.
06:56We'll see how that goes.
06:57Yeah.
06:58Okay.
06:58Braden Smith is the one that a lot of people have brought up.
07:01I keep seeing him linked to the Texans.
07:03He's an offensive tackle for the Colts.
07:05He's missed a bunch of football games in the last couple of years.
07:09I'll look it up.
07:09Offensive linemen standards, and that makes me nervous.
07:13I just – I like the idea of it, but the fact that he's missed as many games as he
07:20has, I have a little bit of PTSD over just good players missing multiple games.
07:26Like, in a position where I want those guys to be 17 games a year plus the playoffs every year
07:32you could set your watch by.
07:33Okay, so the league went to 17 games in 2021, so they've been doing this five years now.
07:38So that's a possible 85 games over those five seasons.
07:42In those five seasons, from 2021 through 2025, Braden Smith has played in 62 of 85 possible games.
07:52Yeah.
07:52Played 13 last year, 12 the year before, 10, played 16 in 2022, but 11 in 2021.
07:59So, yeah, he's –
08:00So in three of those seasons, he's missed a good chunk of time.
08:03In four of those five seasons, he's missed at least four games.
08:07Yeah.
08:08And sometimes more.
08:09So that's – you're right.
08:10That's – that ain't good.
08:12I like – like, and honestly, okay, if I'm going to sign a guy that I don't think can play
08:1617 games, I'd rather get Trent Brown for whatever he's going to get.
08:20Yeah.
08:20That – okay, all right.
08:21If I can only count on him for somewhere between eight to 12 games, then give me a guy who's
08:26actually a swing tackle, not trying to be a named starter anymore.
08:30Yeah.
08:30Well, and without knowing what Braden Smith is going to get in free agency, give me somebody who's getting the
08:34league minimum and is giving me good football, not a guy who you're giving $12 million a year to, and
08:38he plays 11 games for you.
08:40So, so, Braden's – and how about – have you had a chance to dig in on Cade Mays at
08:44all?
08:45And that – because I've been seeing with him that he's in, like, that $8 to $10 million range, which
08:51is obviously –
08:51Yeah, I think that's where –
08:52Much cheaper than Linderbaum.
08:53No, and I think that there could be a lot of guys that – you know, when you let go
09:00of Titus Howard and people say, well, how are you going to replace him, this, that, all the – like,
09:05the problem with Titus Howard was that he wanted $22 million a year.
09:08And the only team willing to do that was the – was the Cleveland Browns.
09:14Yeah.
09:14Like, that's why the Texans got a fifth-round pick for him.
09:16It's funny – it's funny the perception of Titus Howard here in Houston versus what obviously the perception of him
09:23around the league is, that most of the grades I saw for the Texans on the Titus Howard trade were
09:31A's and B's.
09:32Yeah.
09:32Like, most of the people in the media are looking at it and saying, all right, well, this is like
09:36an average to below average starter.
09:38Maybe – and you're getting a fifth-round pick for him.
09:41He wants $22 million a year.
09:43Yeah, that makes sense.
09:44We'll give – yeah, that's a good deal by the Texans.
09:46Yeah.
09:46Because why would you pay him that much money?
09:48Yeah, yeah.
09:48We'll hit those – we'll hit those report cards at 8 o'clock.
09:51I was looking it up yesterday during the show, Seth.
09:54Titus Howard is tied for the 11th highest average annual value in the sport at tackle.
09:59Yeah.
09:59Not just right tackle.
10:00At tackle, $22.5 million.
10:03So, yeah, that's a lot.
10:04The whole thing about Cade Mays has been that I – and where do the Texans want to go?
10:08With it is that he's a much better pass protector than he is a run blocker.
10:12And I don't think the Texans have an appetite right now for offensive linemen who aren't good at run blocking.
10:18I mean, that's one of the reasons Titus Howard was probably gone.
10:21When they're trying to talk about smash-mouth football and everything, Titus Howard is just – he's a much better
10:26pass blocker than he is a run blocker.
10:28Yep.
10:28And for everything that they want in their – like in their offense where they love to talk about smash
10:33-mouth football and everything, just Titus isn't that guy.
10:36And so I don't know – I don't know, you know – and again, from scheme to scheme and who
10:41you're working on and everything makes a difference in all of this.
10:43But at least according to people's analysis of Cade Mays, the center from the Panthers, it's just – he's a
10:50better pass protector than run blocker.
10:51All right, what else?
10:52We got one more here from –
10:55Aaron Wilson on basically a rundown of the current free agents.
10:58He's answering a couple questions here.
11:00I cut it up a little bit.
11:01On the current free agents and then also whether Davis Mills will get traded.
11:04Nothing imminent but mutual interest in Tommy Townsend, Trent Brown, EJ Speed.
11:13I don't think they're going to necessarily pay Ed.
11:15I think Ed could leave too.
11:16It's expensive.
11:18I think I have to move on.
11:19Davis Mills will not be traded.
11:22Okay.
11:22Yeah.
11:23I like that.
11:23Pretty succinct on all of that.
11:25Yeah.
11:25Ed Ingram is going to be too expensive.
11:27I think that this is probably a situation where they are genuinely telling Ed Ingram,
11:32hey, let's go see what you have.
11:33We love you and everything, but, man, hey, you played too well,
11:36and we can't afford you anymore, but let's see what happens.
11:39And hopefully they have a good relationship, and maybe if they can get –
11:43to go back to Titus Howard's salary,
11:46Titus Howard's going to be making $22 million a year with the Browns.
11:49If the Texans can get a couple of interior offensive linemen,
11:53good solid guys at $10 million per year, I love that swap out.
11:58And if they draft an offensive tackle in the first round,
12:02or maybe they trade for Trent Williams and you move Ariante Urssi over to right tackle,
12:06then I feel like you've done a lot to address all of it.
12:10And shedding all of that salary – remember, Titus was going to cost $27 million
12:14against the cap this year.
12:17Then you've made good use of all of that.
12:21The names he was throwing out there as far as guys they'd like to bring back,
12:25Tommy Townsend, that's fine.
12:27If they draft a punter and they don't pay a punter $3 million a year, that's fine too.
12:31I don't have a strong feeling on Tommy Townsend either.
12:34Tommy Townsend's been fine.
12:35He's a little inconsistent, but it's a punter.
12:38Trent Brown, yeah, if you want to bring him back on a one-year deal
12:41that looks a lot like last year's one-year deal,
12:43seemed like a good guy to have in the building.
12:44You've made this point several times.
12:46He was one of the few guys that, when you asked him about the O-line play last year,
12:51seemed legitimately still kind of upset with how the line was playing
12:54as opposed to, hey, it's better than last year.
12:56Yeah.
12:56You know?
12:56Yeah, he flat out just said, hey, this isn't the standard
12:59and we need to be better than this.
13:01We've got to pick up and get on the defense's level.
13:03That's right.
13:04And EJ Speed.
13:05And again, EJ Speed, the guys Aaron's listing are all guys,
13:08yeah, if they want to have him back,
13:09I don't want him giving EJ Speed a three-year $19 million deal
13:12or something like that.
13:13Yeah.
13:14Of all the guys that Aaron just listed,
13:17the only one I think has the potential to come back here
13:19on anything more than like a one-year deal would be Ed Ingram.
13:23And I think they're doing exactly what you're saying, Seth.
13:26Let him hit the market.
13:27Let the other teams dictate what Ed Ingram's worth is.
13:29And then if the Texans feel like that's a ballpark they can play in,
13:32then bring him back.
13:33That'd be great.
13:33That'd be good to have another familiar, positive-producing face
13:37on the offensive line.
13:38And he's a really good run blocker.
13:40Yes.
13:40You know, that's the big part of it.
13:41I really think they just want that, kind of like it is with Kyle Shanahan
13:45in San Francisco.
13:46He just flat out is not just saying it as lip service or anything.
13:50He wants to be able to impose his will in the run game,
13:54and then that's where everything else springs forth from that.
13:56Yep.
13:57I know that for whatever reason, the people who will worship at the altar
14:00of Kyle Shanahan as being so smart also are the same people who will tell you
14:04that Establish the Run is meaningless anymore.
14:07It's the weirdest dynamic.
14:08It's like, boy, Kyle Shanahan's the best plate caller in the league.
14:11But I'll tell you what, anybody who says Establish the Run is an idiot.
14:14But Kyle Shanahan says that.
14:17Like he believes it in his core.
14:18Yeah.
14:19Make up your mind.
14:20Make up your mind.
14:22Text message.
14:23People weighing in on the free agency stuff on the base power text line.
14:26I'm interested in Mays might get 80% to 90% of the player
14:29for half the cost of Linderbaum.
14:31Yeah, that's the balancing act.
14:34Linderbaum is maybe the shiniest toy in free agency at any position.
14:39This is where I would feel, go back to 2011 when Nnamdi Asamoah
14:43was the bright and shining star in free agency.
14:46The Texans ended up signing Jonathan Joseph and Danielle Manning
14:50for about the same combined price that it would have cost for Nnamdi Asamoah.
14:55And even if Nnamdi Asamoah had worked out in Philadelphia,
14:59I still would have preferred the Jonathan Joseph and Danielle Manning combo package.
15:03Oh, yeah, for sure.
15:04Because it ended up being part of an overall really good defense.
15:08Yeah.
15:09So I think likewise, you could spend the same amount of money that somebody's going to
15:12spend on Tyler Linderbaum on getting a couple of other solid interior deep
15:16offensive linemen that are making $10 million per year or $11 or $12 million per year on average.
15:21So I'd be cool with that.
15:23Now, listen, I'm not going to sit here and just be irate or angry if they do go after
15:27Linderbaum.
15:27I'd be, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be, I'd admire the cojones.
15:32Yeah.
15:32We got a rap sheet bomb or a Schefter bomb or a Pellicera bomb of a Tyler Linderbaum is
15:38signing a four year, $94 million deal with the Texans with 60 million guaranteed.
15:45Let's go, man.
15:46I just, yeah, I'm up for aggression of any sort.
15:49Yeah.
15:49So as long as they're just more aggressively addressing the offensive line and I think
15:55there's a certain amount of pessimism in the fan base right now, which is justified that
16:00people are concerned that the Texans aren't going to be aggressive in addressing the offensive
16:03line.
16:04Cause it looked like last year.
16:05Oh, obviously they're going to address the offensive line aggressively because look at
16:09what they did.
16:09They just tore it down to the studs.
16:11The Texans didn't do that.
16:12So I, I totally get and understand why people would be skeptical of it.
16:17Um, I feel like I'm, I'm at the point where I'm not as skeptical of it because I feel they
16:22have no choice, right?
16:24You just, you cannot, you just simply can't.
16:27The most aggressive move they've made in the last two years on the offensive line has been
16:33trading Laramie Tunsil, right?
16:35That's the most, the most aggressive move they've made has been bringing in draft choices for, for
16:42your, for what at the time was your best offensive line.
16:45I, and I look, and I would submit, similarly submit, you could argue the Titus Howard trade
16:49is the second most aggressive move they've made on the offensive line.
16:53You know what, uh, you know what last year was last year was their, uh, that was their
16:57Ozempic face.
16:58That was when they lost a bunch of weight rapidly and they looked gaunt and they didn't even
17:02necessarily look healthy.
17:04Yeah.
17:04This year they've had time to grow into their new body starting some cookies again.
17:08Well, not cookies, protein.
17:10Usually with Ozempic people don't even have protein.
17:12So they've realized, oh, okay.
17:13They've upped their protein and they've started working out and everything.
17:17Protein cookies.
17:18It looks like a healthy, it looks like a healthy weight.
17:21Yeah.
17:21I saw a guy at Radio Row this, this year and I was like, oh wow, did you lose warm
17:26weight,
17:26man?
17:26You look good.
17:27And he's like, he's kind of like, nah, you know, I just, I actually, I grew into the
17:30weight that I had, that I had turned into.
17:33He did.
17:33He looked a couple of years ago, he looked kind of gaunt and sickly.
17:36Okay.
17:36Last year he looked like he was, oh, that's a healthy weight for you.
17:39Yeah.
17:39Yeah.
17:40Okay.
17:40So that's where the Texans are.
17:41They're coming out of the gaunt phase, right?
17:43They're coming out of an Ozempic face.
17:44I hope.
17:45Okay.
17:45Yes.
17:45Okay.
17:46Let's hope.
17:47We need somebody that's going to, this is a text message.
17:49We need somebody that's going to reset the mindset of the O-line room.
17:52I think that, you know, I don't, I've not watched a bunch of Tyler Linderbaum press conferences
17:58or anything like that, but that feels like somebody who would be, they'd bring in.
18:03Reset the what?
18:04Reset the, oh, the text page is humming here.
18:07We need somebody.
18:08I found it.
18:08We need somebody that's going to reset the mindset of the O-line room.
18:11I feel like, I think they've already, I think they've done a good job of that already, just
18:17with Cole Popovich being the O-line coach and with some of the guys that they've gotten
18:22rid of combined with some of the veterans that they've brought in who aren't, like, they're
18:26not, they're not necessarily the final answer.
18:29Yeah.
18:29Like, but Ed Ingram was more of the right kind of guy.
18:32Like, Ed Ingram got after it in the run game.
18:35Ed Ingram liked to smash people into the ground.
18:37Yeah.
18:38I, so I like that part of it.
18:39I think Trent Brown was more of the right blue collar mindset.
18:43And the old days of the Instagram offensive tackle and all of that, I think they've reset
18:48that.
18:48But yeah, nothing, nothing makes you a better leader in football than being a really good
18:54football player.
18:55Yes.
18:55You can tell me all of it.
18:56Great.
18:56You studied, you went to, took a Dale Carnegie class.
18:59Awesome.
18:59Cool.
19:00Uh, I'm, I'm six Sigma, whatever.
19:03First, let me ask you, are you a really good football player?
19:06Okay, great.
19:07We've got something to work with now here.
19:09You get your hands into that guy's chest plate.
19:11That's all I want to know.
19:12You're on the two criteria.
19:13First, A, are you a really good football player?
19:16B, are you not a jerk?
19:19Yeah.
19:19Or are you not a bum?
19:20Yeah.
19:21Do you not have a bad attitude?
19:22Right.
19:22Right there, we've got the makings of a really good and effective leader.
19:25Of a leader, yeah.
19:26You can be a really good leader when you're not a great football player.
19:29It helps if you were at one point a great football player and then now you've still got
19:33the glow off of that.
19:33Yeah.
19:34But don't get me wrong.
19:35It's just that that, like, none of it, you can have five awesome leaders on your offensive
19:39line, but if they're not good football players, that leadership ain't doing squat for you.
19:43That's exactly right.
19:44Good night.
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