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Bobby went through the five questions he had before the NFL Combine, but first they broke down the latest injury updates. He started the discussion with George Pickens’ contract situation, and more.
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00:00The Cowboys will likely be without Donovan Ezraku until training camp.
00:05Last year's second-round pick had surgery to repair a hip labrum injury
00:10that he played through last season,
00:13and that's why, Bobby, he didn't get that sack total for your bald head.
00:17Oily hips. That was supposed to be a big thing for him.
00:20And if they're not oily, if they're not smooth...
00:24Please tell me that that's not the exact scouting term.
00:26People use it, yeah.
00:27Yeah. It doesn't get used nearly as often anymore,
00:30but if things were a little rusty in there,
00:34then I don't think that I can be held responsible.
00:37Got oiled up on the hips, baby.
00:38Got to.
00:39How's the hair coming along? How's it coming in?
00:41It's back as much as it's ever been, which is still thinning,
00:44but over here it's all filled out.
00:46I cannot believe Peyton, Choppy was trying to argue he has more hair than I do.
00:51Ooh.
00:52It's not even close.
00:53Can I see it?
00:53Yeah, take your hat off.
00:58Uh...
00:58No, mine is four.
00:59Yours is thicker.
01:00Well, the thing that's also happening, you're clearly getting it cut with a one.
01:04Zero.
01:04A zero.
01:05A zero.
01:06So I don't know...
01:07How often do you get your hair cut?
01:09Three weeks? Two weeks?
01:10Uh, well...
01:13Two, three?
01:14Probably three weeks.
01:15Sarah gets on me.
01:15She wants it more.
01:16She wants it cut, like, every week.
01:18Which I could do.
01:19I have no problem doing that.
01:20I mean, just have her...
01:21I just do it by myself.
01:22Yeah, have her do it with a zero or a one.
01:24I could do that.
01:25So, if you didn't cut it for a month, how much would you get to Bobby's length?
01:31Because Bobby right now clearly has more.
01:33Yeah, I would get to his length.
01:34He's fuller.
01:34Yeah, I would get to have...
01:35I think he thins out further towards the back than I do.
01:38You know, I have two.
01:40I have, like, a...
01:42Two bald spots!
01:43Yeah, like, two bald spots in the back, yeah.
01:45Two?
01:45I have one low.
01:46Hey, you can't really see because it's shaved down, but, like...
01:50Oh.
01:50You know what I mean?
01:51It's kind of red or something.
01:53Red?
01:54Like...
01:54Oh, I don't know.
01:55I don't know.
01:57Anyway...
01:57Give me a son.
01:58Donovan...
01:59That's probably what it is.
02:00Donovan Ezraku likely out until training camp, according to John Mishota.
02:05And then, Bobby, your theory about Tyler Smith, we didn't have enough time to get to it,
02:10sounded like it was true during the course of the season.
02:12You kept saying, something's got to be wrong.
02:15Something's got to be off with Tyler Smith.
02:17He's not being his usual dominant self.
02:19He had the cleanup surgery on his right knee after the Pro Bowl.
02:23Supposedly going to be 100% ready for the offseason program.
02:26Dealt with the issue during the season, dressing but not playing against the Jets.
02:30Yeah, it's just he never looked right after he popped up on the injury report
02:35for that Jets game.
02:36And I remember that was just...
02:37Everybody was certain.
02:38There was no talk like he wasn't going to play.
02:40And then when all of a sudden we roll into the Jets game,
02:43and it's like, oh, nope, he's not available.
02:44Then it was like, okay, this is...
02:46This kind of popped up out of nowhere, and they were able to keep this quiet.
02:49And then as it kind of lingered, and you saw him playing throughout the year,
02:51it was just like, it doesn't...
02:52It doesn't look like him completely.
02:55And so, it makes a ton of sense,
02:57and it makes a ton of sense that Donovan Ezraku would be hurt
02:59because he definitely would have gotten six sacks otherwise.
03:01Bobby Belt had five questions he wanted to get answered
03:05as our Cowboys inset at the Combine in Indianapolis.
03:09Let's see if they got answered.
03:11Yeah, we'll kick these around,
03:13and you guys weigh in on what your sense of this is
03:15after we've left Indy from some of the things that you heard.
03:19Number one was, how likely is a George Pickens extension?
03:22That was the thing that we were trying to figure out when we walked in there.
03:25I'll just quickly go around the room.
03:27Sean, how likely, if you're going to give Percent a chance at this point,
03:30that he gets a long-term extension done this offseason?
03:33I mean, I don't think we got any...
03:36Well, you may have gotten a little bit of the intel
03:38when you left us at the Cigar Lounge for the Batphone.
03:44Based upon that,
03:47I'll say it's a 35% to 40% chance that an extension gets done.
03:54I was going to say 40%, but he took that,
03:56so I'll say...
03:59I'll say 55%.
04:01I think your initial inclination and the one you went with is correct.
04:05I've got it about 40%.
04:06I think...
04:07Now, is offseason count as...
04:09Once they get to camp, it's no longer offseason anymore?
04:12Just get something done this year.
04:15The deal shouldn't be that tough.
04:17Unless the Cowboys...
04:19Like, when you look at the numbers...
04:20See, this is the problem with dealing with David Moore.
04:22Parameters for the deal already.
04:23The parameters are there when you try to slot in the wide receiver deals.
04:27This is...
04:27I think Hagelin said 32%.
04:29To me, they say 34%.
04:31Right there with your buddy, CeeDee Lamb.
04:33You guys are broskies.
04:34You're even.
04:35The problem with David Muligheta is...
04:38Muligheta is probably going to be like 38%.
04:4139%.
04:4338%.
04:43And Jerry and them, this is what ultimately collapsed the Micah deal.
04:47They're like, we're offering you...
04:49With David Muligheta, it doesn't matter
04:51that you're technically the highest new-paid player.
04:56We're going to top TJ Watt by a dollar.
04:58That used to matter for a lot of people.
05:01They're like, yes!
05:01I got the new crown.
05:02It'll get passed one day.
05:03Muligheta's like, no, we're going to beat it by four.
05:05We're going to beat it by five.
05:07He did with Micah.
05:08He doesn't have as strong a case here with Pickens.
05:12If they don't move off of...
05:15If they said 40%, right?
05:18Which I know Mike Fisher swears Mike Florio told us that it's supposed to be 40%.
05:23That's just where he said the market was at.
05:26If they don't move off of 40%, then let's go ahead and talk about serious trade.
05:32If it's going to cost us that deep into our season or offseason.
05:36Because I'm not going to sit here and let people make the argument that George Pickens
05:39should get $40 million.
05:41I'm going to sit here at 32 to 34.
05:44Okay, fine.
05:45I mean, right now he's at 27-3 or whatever with the tag.
05:50So it's also just easy for the Cowboys to look and go, well, why would we pay even 33 yet?
05:54Because I'm not going to play half your season.
05:56That's why.
05:56Well, I mean, then you're not going to get paid next offseason either.
06:00Because there's a lot of questions about you already.
06:02And if you are so petty that you can't take $27 million guarantee...
06:05Let me get to market.
06:06Let me get to market and I guarantee you someone will give me 33, 34.
06:10To me, right.
06:11If you got to market this year, you sit out half the year, you go to market next year, you're
06:16not getting that.
06:16And so you just end up costing yourself money.
06:19Why not?
06:19Because you're not going to get that.
06:20People have already got questions about you.
06:22They know the business of it.
06:23I disagree with you on that.
06:25They know the business of it.
06:26I disagree with you on that.
06:27But show us who you are.
06:29Show us what kind of it.
06:31And I did.
06:32No, not as a player.
06:33I showed you my all-pro self.
06:34Not as a player.
06:35And we're doing the negotiation, the argument here.
06:37Show us who you are in the locker room.
06:38Show us who you are as a teammate.
06:39They all love me.
06:40Show us who you are as somebody...
06:41Here's my press clippings.
06:41Here's all the quotes.
06:43They all love you.
06:43They're raving about me.
06:44Your quarterback is in love with me.
06:45Yeah, the quarterback's not in love with you after you missed eight weeks.
06:48Because you didn't want to...
06:49He understands his business.
06:5032 instead of 27.
06:51Right.
06:51He understands his business.
06:52Yeah, but that quarterback was willing to go out there and play when he had the same
06:55sort of negotiation.
06:57So he was willing to go out there.
06:59The Cowboys are going to cut it that way.
07:00So don't go clipping this, Josh or anybody, and saying that this is what our argument was.
07:05And don't go tagging people on Twitter either.
07:07But that's the...
07:08Hey, Josh does a nice job.
07:09I know.
07:10They do a nice job.
07:11It's not like Twitter tale.
07:12I think he knows how to text us before sending you something out like that.
07:15So, no, I think that ultimately this should settle in, I would guess.
07:21Did you come out of it more the same or less optimistic out of the Combine?
07:26Talking about GP's extension.
07:28Little less.
07:29Little less optimistic.
07:31But, I mean, not that I don't think that it can't...
07:34More based off of Pickens or Cowboys?
07:35Yeah.
07:36What's the issue?
07:38I think that it's...
07:40If I said why, what's the why?
07:43Because I think the Cowboys have a tendency to get a little cute in negotiations.
07:49And that works in some respects.
07:51It works on some, you know, in some negotiation circles.
07:55This one, I don't think it's going to.
07:57So, if they play with it a little bit...
08:00Again, it's a little bit like they ran into this years ago with Randy Gregory.
08:04Where they told Randy, like, hey, you're a leader.
08:06You're going to be our top priority here in six weeks when you hit free agency.
08:09And then he hit free agency and it was, you know, Randy, I don't know that you can sustain things
08:14away from us.
08:15You're very dependent on us.
08:16You're such a high risk.
08:17Same sort of thing.
08:18They're talking to George Pickens a certain way during the season.
08:21And then when they get into negotiation time, they start going, man, you're kind of a risk.
08:25I know we said that we trusted you, but you are still a liability for us.
08:30No Micah lessons learned?
08:32One year later?
08:33I think they view it as completely different.
08:34I think, honestly, George's side would view it as different than Micah's.
08:38But if they want to talk a certain way leading up to the offseason, and then they sit down in
08:46those negotiation rooms and they talk differently,
08:48I just think that that sort of inconsistency publicly versus privately could cause problems.
08:54What do you think the Cowboys' first number will be and what they're willing to pay?
09:00What they'd be willing to sign off on?
09:01First number would be, I would guess, 31.
09:05Oh, so you don't think they'll start at the tag?
09:07They'll start at next year's tag?
09:08No, they'll combine the tags and then they'll average them out.
09:11Okay.
09:11And then to settle, ultimately, like their real number?
09:1534, 35, something like that.
09:17And then Muligheta?
09:18I think they could get down to 34, 35.
09:21It's just how painful are you going to make that process?
09:22Yeah.
09:23Like on both sides, how much are you going to get into standoff mode?
09:27I think that last year I felt like with the Micah negotiation, there were just so many.
09:34Ian said it with us last week.
09:36There were so many things that happened along the way that just never got misunderstandings
09:43and discussions that were had that just never got cleaned up because they stopped talking.
09:48That that was a different way.
09:51I think they're going to talk.
09:52I think they're going to be more proactive on this one.
09:55It's just going to be functionally a little different.
09:59Now we're going to find out if the negotiating tactics themselves instead of just silence are too painful.
10:03I do think that 40% is still not a nothing chance.
10:06They very well could get something done.
10:08I'm going to be the one to predict that something does get done because I think they will act a
10:13little bit differently in tone, in respect level.
10:16I think, and I know this could come back to haunt me with the Tolos on the fan text, that
10:23the Joneses will learn a little bit of a Micah lesson.
10:27And they're already doing it with the agent, at least.
10:29Jerry on the bus.
10:30I don't have any issues with David Muligeta.
10:32I'm paraphrasing here from Nick Harris's quotes.
10:35Called Muligeta accomplished and that he plans on working with him.
10:39Says the team will be aggressive in free agency.
10:43That's already a little bit different than who?
10:44What?
10:45What's his name?
10:45What's his name?
10:46I don't know.
10:47Just took us one year to learn his name.
10:49They are, it's, if something gets done, like you're talking about, I think it's going to have to be the
10:58Cowboys changing the way they do things, though.
11:00Oh, yeah.
11:01Because if they do things the way they've done things typically, I think that's what puts it at 40%.
11:04Because they've got to show that they're doing it differently, which they're doing a lot of things differently at this
11:09point, this offseason, it feels like.
11:10They got ahead on Javante.
11:12The Christian Parker hire was different.
11:14And then number two on this list is bust the budget talk for real.
11:18I think they're, it depends on your definition.
11:24I think most fans think when they say bust the budget.
11:27Depends on what your definition of the word is.
11:29There you go.
11:30When they say, when people say, my assumption is when somebody says I'm going to bust the budget, that means
11:35I'm going to go get free agents that were not on my team last year.
11:38Agreed.
11:39I think the Cowboys look at it like, oh, but free agents are free agents, whether they're on our team
11:43or not.
11:44Again, do you, again, do you think that Jerry learned from the all-in stuff?
11:50If, like, my next slogan, when I suggest to the fan base, I'm going to spend big, I'm not going
11:56to get all cute and tell you how you all confused it and got it wrong.
12:01That would be my second Cowboy lesson that I'm going to, like an idiot, put faith in that they're going
12:07to apply differently.
12:08So, yes, they are going to spend a decent amount.
12:12Now, they are, if you look at the positions they really need right now, edge rusher, linebacker, corner, safety.
12:23I think they come away with a top two player at one of those spots.
12:27A top two.
12:28A top two free agent.
12:29I think they come away with one of the two best free agents at at least one of the spots.
12:34And maybe they come away with, hey, we got a top five corner.
12:38We got a top two edge rusher.
12:39We got, like, it may mix itself up a little bit like that.
12:42But I think you're going to know names that they sign.
12:44Yeah.
12:45If they sign a top three corner on the market, a top four and a top three D end and
12:53a Mink at Fitzpatrick, I will count that as bust the budget.
12:57I'll be thrilled.
12:58We said it a little bit earlier.
13:00If they sign Jalen Watson at corner and Brian Cook at safety, a lot of people may go, who?
13:06Like, a lot of more casual fans may say, who is that?
13:09But, and they may be frustrated.
13:10Like, I thought you were going to bust the budget.
13:11Well, those are, that's considered the top corner and the top safety on the market.
13:15So that would, that would, there's still got to be a little bit of an adjustment of to what the
13:19market is and who's out there.
13:20Let me ask you this.
13:23If they could sign two eights in free agency or four, four, four, four, four, sixes.
13:35Ah, the four, sixes ranch.
13:36Yeah.
13:37Good ranch.
13:38Four, sixes.
13:39Or two, eights.
13:40Or two, eights.
13:40What would you pick?
13:42Well, I mean, I assume we're all on defense.
13:45Yes.
13:45Four, sixes.
13:46Are we saying two, eights and then like two, fours?
13:49I don't get any more resources.
13:50You don't get any more.
13:50I do the four, sixes.
13:51They're going to sign Hendrickson and, um, I don't know, whatever.
13:56Hendrickson and Watson, the corner.
13:58Uh, give me the two, eight.
13:59Who's Watson?
14:00Jalen Watson from the, uh, from the Kansas City Chiefs.
14:03Okay.
14:03I'll take the two, eights.
14:04Okay.
14:06I just wanted to see what you do.
14:07If you're telling me I get two, eights and then two first round picks on defense too, that's, that's four
14:12potential impact players.
14:14I'm looking, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't think of it like that.
14:16I thought like the four, sixes were an addition because the four, sixes are an addition to two first round
14:20picks.
14:20Sure.
14:21Who could be eights?
14:21Yeah.
14:22And that's, that's better depth.
14:23And your, your depth was decimated last year.
14:25Let's finish up the combine lessons at eight o'clock here on your home of the Dallas Cowboys.
14:31It's DFW Sports Station 105 through the fan.
14:33And speaking of, um, you know, we had this conversation.
14:37I was in the minority.
14:39Jerry said directly opposite on the bus.
14:41When you talk about the two first round players, how immediate of an impact are they going to be?
14:45Is this team in a win now mode with the, with the windows?
14:51Or is it, hey man, draft a player who in three years is going to be the best one.
14:56I'm, I'm fine with the longer term approach.
14:59Jerry Jones said, no, no projects.
15:02We can't, uh, red shirt second round pick.
15:06We don't have a second round pick to begin with, but if we got one, we can't red shirt
15:10those guys this year.
15:11We've got to go.
15:13The answer is, that's part of an example of your question.
15:16We've got to go this year.
15:18We've got to have it out there and we've got to be working it this year.
15:20The staff we put together.
15:22Uh, uh, one thing I like about them is they're straining at the bits and, uh, uh, uh, this
15:30old stuff of looking ahead at a career years and years in advance, they're too young for
15:35that.
15:36They're looking at yesterday and thinking about tomorrow's eternity.
15:39I like it.
15:41How about that?
15:42No more projects.
15:44No more second round studies for RJ Choppy to do on Jalen Smith and Randy Gregory, Kelvin
15:52Joseph and everyone else.
15:53Not just that injury guys.
15:55So like, I mean, not that we have a second round pick.
15:57Revel, Revel.
15:58I think part of that is a discussion about Revel.
16:00Yes.
16:00Who Jerry had massive expectations for.
16:02Could not stop referencing him enough during interviews when we were leading up to him being
16:05available.
16:06And I think he felt like, I don't have time to wait on that again this year.
16:10We just, we can't.
16:11Yeah.
16:12Well, that was their fault.
16:13No, it is.
16:13No, but I mean, touch the stove.
16:15Fine.
16:16They've touched it eight times.
16:17If they've learned after eight times touching the stove.
16:18Cool.
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