00:00To explain the Russian position, that they feel that Ukrainians are being used by NATO, formerly by the United States,
00:09less so now under Trump, in a proxy war in order to mount a strategic defeat on Russia, maybe overthrow
00:16the Russian government, maybe even, as Kaya Kalas, the EU's diplomatic chief, said to break up Russia into different parts.
00:24That's how the Russian government and the Russian people see it. Whether you believe it, whether you agree with that
00:28or not, that's up to you. But that's how the Russian people as well, not just the Russian government, but
00:33the Russian people, the majority of, feel. And so for them, this war still is. We can laugh about it.
00:40Russian leadership don't believe in their own propaganda. They understand that we want to join NATO for only one reason,
00:46to survive, to be saved, not to be killed by Russia.
00:49That's the only reason. It's absolutely not about data enlargement, which they scare themselves.
00:54Russia does not want to take over the Russian government.
00:56Yes, Russian people might be brainwashed, but Russian leadership, they understand themselves that they don't believe in their own propaganda.
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