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Seth and Sean celebrate the gold medal the USA Men's Hockey team won on Sunday morning, and do the opposite of celebrate about the Rockets blowing a lead and losing to the Knicks on Saturday.
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00:00And it's Wierenski. Now Jack Hughes puts it around the car. The United States with numbers.
00:05Back across it comes. Jack Hughes wins it! The golden goal for the United States!
00:13For the first time since the 1980 miracle, the United States takes the goal!
00:20Jack Hughes beating Jordan Bennington!
00:24All right, there you go. U.S. men's hockey, gold medal. First time since the miracle on ice in 1980.
00:3346 years. 46 years to the day from the day where the Texans, where the Olympic hockey team beat the
00:43Russians, beat the Soviets back in 1980.
00:46Big day yesterday.
00:47That was really, really tense and like whatever the opposite of anticlimactic is.
00:55Just the climax of that after a game in which basically Canada was outplaying you in a lot of regards
01:04except for the fact that Halibut, the goalie, was just an unstoppable force.
01:09Yeah, he was crazy. Yeah.
01:10It was absurd. Hockey goalies are still the one. If I were to try to imagine myself being any position
01:18in sports, hockey goalie is the most stressful.
01:20Because it just seems impossible at times. They even know where the damn puck is.
01:25They can see the puck. Yeah, it feels like they're living in the matrix.
01:29The really good goalies that they just seem like they can predict what people are doing in advance and where
01:37the puck is going to be.
01:38Like when he made that incredible save off to his right and he's just jabbing his stick out there to
01:44have it carry him off away from the goal for an easy goal.
01:47It's just, it's incredible. And I deserve, he deserves, he deserves everything that anybody wants to send to his house.
01:54Connor Halibut?
01:55Thanks.
01:56Yeah.
01:56Spell it right. It's not an easy name to spell.
01:59So if you're going to send him something, make sure B-U-Y-C-K at the end of it.
02:03There's an extra extraneous Y in there.
02:06I feel like Buc-E's could get in on that.
02:08Because if you switched around the Y in there, it could be Halibutki.
02:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:14You could have some funny commercials for Buc-E's.
02:18Absolutely.
02:19Which is with Halibutki's.
02:19They're showing on TV right now.
02:22This is, you know, it's top of the hour here.
02:23So obviously this is what's showing on SportsCenter and GetUp and everything else.
02:27There's so many cool little angles to this thing.
02:30The Hughes brothers.
02:32Quinn Hughes, named the most outstanding defensive player.
02:34Jack Hughes, who you just heard, scored the game-winning goal.
02:37He was interviewed after the game was over.
02:39This is Jack Hughes talking about the American pride in this gold medal.
02:46This is all about our country right now.
02:48I love the USA.
02:50I love my teammates.
02:52It's unbelievable.
02:53The USA Hockey Brotherhood is so strong.
02:56And we have so much support from the next players.
02:58And I'm so proud to be American today.
03:01I'm proud.
03:02This was such an incredible game to grind out.
03:05I mean, you're bleeding right through it just looking at you right now.
03:08Can you just talk about how difficult this gold medal was to win?
03:11Unbelievable game by Halibutki.
03:13He was our best player tonight by a mile.
03:15Unbelievable game.
03:17Unreal game by our team.
03:19That's just a ballsy, gutsy win.
03:20That's American hockey right there.
03:22That's a great Canadian team.
03:24But we're USA.
03:25We're so proud to be Americans.
03:27Tonight was all for the country.
03:29The best view, Seth, of the celebration, my favorite one at least, was,
03:34and they replayed them all ten times.
03:36It was great, was the camera that was kind of over the American bench.
03:41And the goal that the game-winning goal was scored on is at the far end of the rink
03:46from where that camera is.
03:48But just the explosion inside that bench area for the United States,
03:53the guys going nuts, hopping the dasher right there,
03:57and hugging each other.
03:59Like, that was a really cool just ten seconds of footage,
04:02especially if you're American.
04:04Just seeing the joy and the celebration in that whole thing was really awesome.
04:10The Hughes parents, I would imagine, pretty proud.
04:12Two sons getting gold medals in the same ceremony.
04:15He's got to be the most badass thing ever for a parent, I would think.
04:19Yeah, there was some really – and then bringing out the shirt for the child
04:24of their teammate.
04:25Johnny Gaudreau.
04:26That had died in a drunk driving.
04:28He got hit by a drunk driver.
04:30Yeah, there was just pretty much every either tear-jerking
04:35or heart-warming moment that you would want,
04:38including the fact that Jack Hughes got his teeth knocked out in a hockey game.
04:43Yeah, that's the thing.
04:43The cut we just played, you need to picture that person.
04:46If you didn't see it, you need to picture the person giving that quote,
04:49that cut, basically having their entire mouth splattered in,
04:53like just missing multiple teeth, halfway chipped teeth.
04:57He had gotten – and, you know, he wasn't a victim, though, either,
05:00because Canada got hit with a high stick on that one.
05:04But then he got hit with it himself.
05:07With a penalty.
05:08Later, yeah, with the same penalty later on.
05:10Yeah, yep, yep.
05:11So it all evens out.
05:14So that was cool.
05:15I thought it was cool for the Hughes family.
05:16Now, the one thing about the gold medal and the Americans winning it
05:19is that you realize that there are a lot of Americans
05:24that you're not wild about being on the same side of,
05:26because you've watched how they operate as sports fans,
05:30and in the opposition, and you're like, I don't really –
05:33I'm not really fond of this person.
05:34Here was Dave Portnoy, founder of Barstool,
05:37after the Americans scored the game-winning goal in overtime.
05:41Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
05:42I told you, Canada's got nothing.
05:46They got nothing.
05:48They got nothing.
05:49Those curling – yeah, take the curling gold medal.
05:52You got nothing.
05:53You got nothing.
05:55You got nothing.
05:57You will say, you will say, you got nothing.
06:00That's good, Ben.
06:01We know – yeah, yeah, we – they got nothing.
06:03Yeah.
06:04We got it.
06:04Because he's got – those are his medals.
06:06Those are Dave Portnoy's medals.
06:08It's true.
06:09To go with his six rings.
06:10Yes.
06:10Yes.
06:11Yeah.
06:11Good point, Seth.
06:12So is that our medal, too?
06:14It's our medal, yes.
06:15Did we win that medal also?
06:16It's all of us.
06:16Yes.
06:17Awesome.
06:17It's – the one thing about the Olympics of our youth was that it was always –
06:22you know, there was a big Cold War element to it.
06:24So where it was – it was the commies versus the capitalists.
06:27It was the Eastern Bloc countries versus free markets and everything.
06:33And there was always that, you know, looming threat of nuclear war.
06:36I just – I felt like it made it – it made the animosity more real.
06:41Oh, yeah.
06:41So we're now – like when you get Portnoy or anybody else kind of talking smack about
06:46other countries after you win, I – I'm not – Portnoy's going to be Portnoy.
06:51I just can't get into it the same way is when it was, you know – and then, God forbid,
06:55it was like, you know, when the Soviet Union boycotted the L.A. Olympics.
06:59Oh, yeah.
06:59Then the U.S. boycotted whichever one we boycotted.
07:02I mean, you didn't – you didn't get what you wanted, which was the – you had this
07:07bloodlust to go out and beat some commie bastards.
07:09Yeah, yeah.
07:10Now it's Canadians who are like, oh, let's beat these, you know, slightly more socialistic
07:16than we are bastards.
07:16I thought – I thought about – I thought about that as I'm watching the reaction to
07:22it.
07:22I didn't want to be too boomer-ish.
07:24Yeah.
07:25But the miracle on ice in 1980 – and I think this is part and parcel of the point you're
07:29making right now – like, that was a big deal.
07:33Like, that was a really big deal.
07:35It was full-grown men versus college kids.
07:38Yeah, it was amateurs.
07:38You know, there were no NHL players, obviously.
07:41Who got killed by them in the lead-up games, in the exhibition games.
07:45Like, the Soviet Union was killing the United States in these games.
07:49I've never gone back – I'd like to go back and watch from the Soviet perspective, you
07:53know, some of the interviews of those guys and everything.
07:55Oh, yeah.
07:56I wonder how many of them were just, like, literally drunk on vodka at that moment because
08:01they figured we're just going to wipe –
08:02Oh, like, during the game?
08:03Like, hungover and put that?
08:05Yeah.
08:05They didn't out until 6 a.m.
08:06Oh, man.
08:06Why would you have to even bring that up?
08:09Oh, man.
08:10I don't want to – I thought we, you know, beat them fair and square.
08:13I don't need to think –
08:13I'll kill all your joy, Sean.
08:15I will find it, and I will kill it.
08:18Lately, I've been reading about the British side of the Revolutionary War where –
08:24I don't care about that.
08:25Where you're like, oh, actually, they had a bona fide gripe there, didn't they?
08:28Okay.
08:30They taxed us without representation.
08:32That's what I know.
08:33They taxed us without representation.
08:33No, the part of it that I had never thought about was that they also were – one of the
08:37problems
08:38was that they were trying to protect colonists on the western borders.
08:43Okay.
08:43Because they – the British had come up with these treaties with Native Americans, and, okay, hey, we're not going
08:49to go any further.
08:50Meanwhile, the colonists are like, nah, I'm going there.
08:53And then after they breached the contract of the agreement, they're like, oh, Britain, why aren't you helping me?
09:01Why aren't you protecting me?
09:03Yeah, see?
09:04I've had these Native Americans are killing everybody.
09:06Shut up.
09:07And they're like, well, you're not bloody supposed to be there.
09:09Stop it.
09:13Stop it.
09:15What?
09:17You're going to try to tell – you just want to listen to propaganda your whole life?
09:20Yes.
09:20Yes.
09:21I do.
09:23I want the things I choose to believe.
09:25I know it actually made me – it was more interesting than, you know.
09:29Okay.
09:31Have you seen the stuff that's going on?
09:32You know what would happen, too, Sean?
09:33A lot of times when there was warfare, when there was, like, battling with the Native Americans on the frontier,
09:40that, you know, they'd take hostages.
09:43Yeah.
09:43And a lot of times, or at least several notable times, when Britain would negotiate to get the settlers back,
09:51the settlers who had been taken hostage by the Native Americans were like, nah, I like this lifestyle.
09:56This is actually –
09:58Oh, it's better than –
09:59This is actually – yeah, I'm enjoying myself.
10:01Yeah.
10:01So they had a hard time with some of the prisoner exchanges.
10:03Oh, that's interesting.
10:04Yeah.
10:04What's the name of the book?
10:06Oh, there's just various things I've read from Britain.
10:08Oh, okay.
10:08Okay.
10:09I thought you were – I thought you were reading something specific about it right now.
10:13Oh, no, no, no.
10:13Gotcha.
10:14Gotcha.
10:15Have you been watching the stuff going on down in Puerto Vallarta the last 24 hours?
10:19Is that – how much of it is real?
10:21What's the –
10:21I think it's pretty real.
10:23I was – I do my due diligence on this stuff now.
10:26Yeah.
10:27But if I'm going to – and I haven't reacted to any of it.
10:29Tell me what's real and what is – yeah, like what – the drug kingpin was arrested.
10:35El Mencho.
10:35He's like the biggest drug kingpin out there.
10:38And because of that?
10:39Yes.
10:40Are people getting abducted and stuff?
10:42Yes.
10:42There's been violence.
10:43But I know there's fear of abductions.
10:45There's –
10:45Would there have been abductions?
10:46Well, the warning has been sent out to Americans that are there to sequester themselves in their hotels or get
10:52somewhere safe.
10:54Yeah.
10:54Because apparently all these cartel soldiers have taken over the streets of Puerto Vallarta and other –
11:00Yeah.
11:00And other places in that part of the country.
11:03And apparently it's spilling over into other parts of Mexico.
11:05But they're lighting cars on fire.
11:07They're lighting buses on fire.
11:08And these aren't just like cartel guys that are just grabbing rifles off a shelf and are running out there
11:13in like, you know, camo and a bandana on.
11:16They have like serious military artillery.
11:20They've got tanks and stuff, the cartel.
11:22So they're like taking over streets.
11:24Like it's army versus cartel.
11:27And you can't tell the difference between the two of them.
11:28It's wild.
11:29Oh, yeah.
11:30Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:31It's crazy.
11:32So –
11:32They have like – I don't know.
11:34Everything I know about that is from the movies.
11:36I assume that some of the Mexican cartels have like former actual military guys on their forces and everything.
11:43Yeah, yeah, probably.
11:44But this is a – evidently it's a big kill for the anti-cartel crowd, which I think, you know,
11:50most law-abiding citizens are anti-cartel, I would say.
11:53But, you know, a lot – and the thing is like the cartel does business in all 50 states in
11:58the United States.
11:59And it's wild.
12:00So those are the broad strokes that I have right now.
12:02It's definitely happening.
12:03It's definitely real.
12:04And it sounds like El Mencho is dead.
12:06Okay.
12:07Oh, dead.
12:08He's dead.
12:08They killed him.
12:09Yep.
12:09Okay.
12:09They killed him.
12:10And now it's chaos.
12:11So there's that.
12:13Which is a great segue into the Houston Rockets.
12:15The chaos that they were causing in my life on Saturday when I thought to myself –
12:19Which is more of a mess right now, Puerto Vallarta or the Rockets in any given fourth quarter?
12:24The Rockets offensively, are they the equivalent of the Puerto Vallarta streets right now?
12:29You know what?
12:30It's close.
12:32It's definitely close.
12:32I thought this was going to be the best win of the season going into the fourth quarter.
12:36I'm like, oh, this is great.
12:38And I should have known.
12:39I should have remembered that they'd blown a bunch of fourth quarter leads.
12:42But, man, they had it clicking.
12:43And then for whatever reason, Emeo Dilka loves to leave Dorian Finney-Smith in way too long in these games.
12:51He still – and I forget who I saw tweet this, but it feels – I think it might have
12:56been Marush Williams tweeted that there feels – it feels like there is a distinct disconnect between what the front
13:02office thinks of Reed Shepard and what Emeo Dilka thinks of Reed Shepard.
13:06Right, right.
13:07And that's where – the frustrating thing is, hey, we can whine and complain about Fred Van Vliet being gone
13:14all we want.
13:15We can whine and complain about Steven Adams being gone all we want.
13:19But this team that you have right now is going to make the playoffs.
13:24They're not going to do anything in the playoffs unless they start getting more consistent and better production out of
13:32their young point guards.
13:33And the only way those guys get better in the fourth quarter is to have them out there in the
13:39– have Reed Shepard out there in the fourth quarter.
13:41Oh, no.
13:42What are you – are you worried about turnovers?
13:43Yeah.
13:43Because they'll turn the ball over ten times in the fourth quarter anyway.
13:47No, dude.
13:48As if your young point guard is the biggest issue with your turnovers.
13:51No.
13:52Everybody's turning the ball over.
13:53His turnovers are bad.
13:54There's no doubt about that.
13:55But as far as Saturday goes, undeniably, things were running smoother with Reed Shepard in there than with Reed Shepard
14:01out.
14:01I also think, too, Seth – and obviously, you can't play Reed Shepard at point guard for 36 minutes a
14:06night.
14:06I get that.
14:07He's not that guy.
14:08But have a feel for how a certain game is going in the moment.
14:11And if it's a game where it's clicking with him in there, leave him in there.
14:15I also think – I don't think Amin Thompson is fully equipped to be a point guard right now.
14:18I think he's highly equipped to be a really athletic wing that can finish for you and defend.
14:24And I felt like, especially in that game on Saturday, that you're getting a better version of Amin Thompson when
14:31he doesn't have the pressure of having to handle the ball all the time either.
14:34He was awesome defensively in that game.
14:37Awesome defensively.
14:38So, I think Emeo Doka is taking it right now, and I think he should.
14:42I think Kevin Durant has been really, really good, except he's got a turnover issue.
14:47The thing with Durant and a lot of these guys, it's almost like – and this is, I think, symptomatic
14:52of iso ball because the other team knows that there's so much iso going on,
14:56they can run a second defender at the blind side on a guy and just pick him from behind.
15:00That happened to Durant a couple times.
15:01He's holding the ball, holding the ball, getting ready to decide what to do.
15:05Do I take this guy off the dribble?
15:06Do I jab step?
15:07Do I take a step back?
15:08What do I do?
15:09And while he's making those decisions, the Knicks are sending a second defender at him and just ripping the ball
15:14out of his hands.
15:14Yeah.
15:15And that happens to Alperen Shengun a bunch as well.
15:17And so, when you're isoing all the time, you become predictable, and teams can do things like that to you.
15:22Well, and it's not like they were isoing all the time in the first three quarters of the game.
15:28Right.
15:28This is consistently what happens is all of a sudden in the fourth quarter, when things get tighter, everything just
15:33gets sticky.
15:35And the movement just stops at the top of the key, and everything slows down.
15:42And it's the exact same issues that we had last year, except now without Steven Adams in there,
15:47you don't have this extreme advantage on offensive rebounds and everything else that goes along with it.
15:53Yeah, that's the thing, man.
15:54Think about how much we talked on this show and other shows about the big lineup, the double big lineup.
16:01That was a revelation last year, late in the season, and in that seven-game series with the Warriors.
16:07That was the big talking point strategically.
16:09It was like, when do we use that?
16:11How much do we use that?
16:13All of those things.
16:13It's not even available to you.
16:15I mean, Clint Capella is a shell of what Steven Adams gives you on both ends of the floor.
16:21On both ends, defensively and then on the offensive glass as well.
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