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Seth and Sean talk about evidence piling up that makes them increasingly sure it really was Kevin Durant responding with criticism of Rockets teammates from a social media burner account.
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00:00You be the judge.
00:01Here is Kevin Durant getting asked by Varun Shankar of The Chronicle as to whether, hey, were those you?
00:08Were those DMs that were screen grabbed from a burner account, Kevin Durant?
00:13I know you've got to ask these questions, but I'm not here to get into Twitter nonsense.
00:16I'm going to take a look from CNN.
00:18Keep a question.
00:19But I don't know.
00:20I get to feel happy.
00:21Yeah.
00:21Yeah.
00:22He's not here to get into any Twitter nonsense.
00:23My favorite thing yesterday was the replies to that quote of people who are active on X and also know
00:30that Kevin Durant is very active on X.
00:32Yeah.
00:33Twitter.
00:33FKA Twitter.
00:34Let's see.
00:35Sarcasm King says, I'm not here to get into Twitter nonsense.
00:40Says the man who has historically spent more time in the Twitter trenches than an intern at a social media
00:45agency.
00:45If you can't trust a man who once argued with a teenager at 3 a.m. about his legacy, who
00:51else can you trust?
00:52Yeah.
00:52Yeah.
00:53Oh, come on.
00:54Of all people, Kevin Durant doesn't, he doesn't get away with saying, I'm not here to talk about any Twitter
00:59nonsense.
01:00Right.
01:00When he spends more time on Twitter, at least publicly and behind a burner account than just about anybody else
01:07in the NBA.
01:07Than any other athlete, I would say.
01:09We put that question to the audience a little bit earlier.
01:12We put that question to the audience of, hey, when you think of Twitter and you've got to name one
01:17athlete that's most associated with Twitter,
01:21you know, the text line flooded with Kevin Durant.
01:23The only other name that came up was Ocho Cinco, who's been on Twitter like almost since jump, like 2007.
01:29He's been on there.
01:30But also hasn't played football in how long?
01:33Yeah.
01:33Yeah.
01:34Yeah.
01:34But just says, you know, somebody in the sport.
01:36He's not even an athlete anymore.
01:37No.
01:37It's one thing if he's at, yeah.
01:38So it's, yeah, it's, it's Kevin Durant.
01:40He's fun.
01:40Yeah.
01:41Ocho Cinco.
01:41Ocho's fun.
01:42Yeah.
01:43Ocho's fun.
01:44So, and this is, I, look, that's certainly one, one way to put it, that tweet you just read.
01:49The big thing is that if, like, okay, if his teammates are like us or if anybody else is like
01:55us, it feels like, man,
01:56just the simple act of denying that that was you is the easiest thing in the world to do.
02:02And neither he nor Emeo Doka chose to go that route.
02:06Yeah.
02:06So they don't even bother denying it.
02:08So I guess I immediately go to, all right, I give you credit for not lying about it.
02:13But now I totally assume that, yeah, that's your burner account where now there are public messages of you allegedly
02:20talking smack about your own two teammates.
02:23Yeah.
02:23Including Colin Jabari Smith Jr. saying low key.
02:27R word.
02:28Yeah.
02:28Mentally challenged.
02:29Yes.
02:30Like that's a, so for everybody, because we have a few people on the text line who are convinced that
02:34this is of no relevance whatsoever.
02:35And I find that interesting because I'm just curious which of those people really feel like if one of their
02:43coworkers blasted out to millions that they're low key mentally challenged,
02:49it'd be no big deal with your workplace relationship.
02:51Now keep in mind, well, and keep in mind what the nature of this workplace relationship is with Kevin Durant
02:56compared to just say somebody in accounting,
02:59you know, working like you are, these are coworkers that you are being asked to go compete alongside.
03:06Yeah.
03:07There's a level of trust and a level of, I don't know, decency that comes with being a teammate in
03:13a sport.
03:14We'll just point out respect.
03:15Respect that comes with playing a sport alongside somebody that doesn't translate to, you know, to just the regular workplace.
03:23This is, and I don't think it's a bad example at all, Seth.
03:26I'm just saying that, that this is, man, you got to go compete along.
03:30I got to trust this guy, man.
03:31Yeah.
03:32Like if somebody says it to you and they're two cubicles over, like, you know, whatever they, you know, that
03:36that's their opinion.
03:37It's, it, it damages any sort of relationship you have with that person, obviously.
03:41But this is, this is kind of heavy stuff, man.
03:43And, and well, no, it's, you know what it is though, too.
03:45It's one thing.
03:46If I found out, if I was a teammate of Kevin Durant and I found out that's what he had
03:50texted to his brother or something like, all right, I'd still be pissed, but it's a little bit different.
03:55It's one other one.
03:55It's like, you're feeding this to randos on the internet, right?
03:58Like, it's just, you know, there's people all the time that might come at you or I about various people
04:03that we work with and say like, ah, I don't, you know, boy, that coworker, you're sure is a bum.
04:09I've never once been like, you know, to, to some random stranger.
04:13Yeah.
04:13Yes.
04:14I endorse that take.
04:15Right.
04:16God, no, I would never do that.
04:18No.
04:18And this is how Durant operates on the internet.
04:20I do it all the time, but yeah.
04:21This is how Durant.
04:23I'd love to know what he says about me, Ben.
04:25Love to know.
04:27Ben's specific.
04:29I just, Ben, three times a show.
04:30Can you tell me what he says about me, Ben?
04:33Um, so, um, this is, if you're wondering how Durant operates with randos on the internet, this is Durant several
04:40years ago announcing his new podcast with somebody that he met on one of his burner accounts.
04:47And you got a podcast coming, right?
04:49Yeah.
04:49Yeah.
04:50Just talking, talking, talking, you know, um, got to come in a couple of weeks.
04:55Hopefully it take off, but you know, just, just having a regular conversation.
04:59Uh, who are you doing to it?
05:01My boy, Eddie, Eddie Gonzalez, just actually just do it.
05:04I met off one of my burner accounts, actually.
05:07So that burner, that burner, see, there go that burner.
05:10Yeah, he was talking some shit that I liked and I, and I respect it.
05:13I was like, hey, I like, I like what you got going on.
05:17So again, that's from several years ago, but what did we learn from this?
05:21Kevin Durant, pretty loose about who he associates with on the internet.
05:25Yeah.
05:25And two, definitely has had burner accounts in the past.
05:29It was one of those things too.
05:29I wonder if we're like, when he met that guy, he has this burner account, maybe identifies
05:33the guy as somebody that he likes.
05:34So he reaches out to him, but the guy, then that, then you've already got somebody, at
05:39least one person that knows that, okay, this burner account is definitely Kevin Durant and
05:43can tell anybody else at that, that burner, how many, how fast and loose has he been with
05:47telling people about which various burner accounts are his as he's talking smack about
05:52everything?
05:52Well, this is the kind of guy that, uh, this is, I would not trust him in a time of
05:56war.
05:56I don't, I feel like a loose lip, sink ships, man.
05:59You would just be out there talking about all out at the bar, talking about what exactly
06:03when the evasion invasion is going to occur.
06:06Right, right, right.
06:08The guy, listen, the guy that's in charge of storming Omaha beach, uh, Franz, who I just
06:14listen, Franz, you seem like a good guy.
06:16This guy that's attacking Omaha beach, clueless, doesn't know a damn thing what he's doing,
06:23but I wish you good luck in your future endeavors.
06:27Not a wartime tweeter.
06:29Uh, so the other thing about that Eddie Gonzalez guy is that this is according to my son, Sammy,
06:35apparently Eddie Gonzalez was getting, it was getting peppered with, uh, with questions,
06:42inquisitions about the validity of this, um, of, of these Durant tweets.
06:47And he's, he's not saying no either.
06:50You know, he's not denying it either.
06:52Um, this is email.
06:54Doka Seth mentioned this email, Doka, um, his own version of a no comment on the situation.
07:00I mean, I don't do social media.
07:02And so, um, you hear, hear about something secondhand, but, you know, I don't really live
07:08in that world or comment on a social media, Twitter, any of that.
07:12And so don't pay much attention at all, dude, you, you need to pay attention to this.
07:17This is an issue right now.
07:18He's calling, uh, yeah, Kevin, Kevin Durant's accused of basically telling randoms that,
07:23uh, Shangoon sucks and, uh, Jabari Smith jr.
07:26Is, uh, is, is, is stupid.
07:29Let's just say it that.
07:30Yeah.
07:31Yep.
07:31Yep.
07:32A very aggressive version of stupid.
07:34Yes.
07:34Yeah.
07:34Yeah.
07:35Yeah.
07:35And so that I, my, my wish with you, Doka is that how he handled that with the media is
07:42not how that's being handled behind this.
07:45Cause there's something here to it.
07:47You know, like I, my hope is that he's handling it more directly than he did with the media.
07:52Like I'm not on social media.
07:54Yeah.
07:55I think that these things can be, you know, kind of forgive and forget if you move on and
08:00have an open dialogue about it.
08:02I just don't know if the, I don't know if that's the kind of guy that Kevin Durant is,
08:06or if it just ends up being, what was the, what was the phrase that the one writer had
08:09used about James Harden and Dwight Howard?
08:13It was like cordially in cordial or something like that.
08:16It was a kind of like, all right, well, we don't, we just don't, you know, we don't
08:19mess with each other and, uh, we just kind of live our own lives.
08:22And then Dwight, of course, had to make it awkward and tweet out that photo of them
08:26having fast food together.
08:27Yeah.
08:28Yeah.
08:28Like Dwight, Dwight could take any potentially awkward situation and make it 400 times more
08:32awkward.
08:33What, what, what must it have been like covering that Oklahoma city team with Kevin Durant,
08:39James Harden and Russell Westbrook as young players.
08:43Yeah.
08:43I say as young players, I don't know.
08:45The three of them might've gotten more kooky over time than they were back.
08:48They might've been more normal back in those thunder days in the early 2010s than they are
08:53now.
08:53Yeah.
08:54You know, I mean, Harden, that was Harden.
08:57Harden's most normal time of his career because he was a sixth man coming off the bench and
09:01he didn't, he didn't make a peep.
09:02I wonder with, I feel like with Durant, it's almost like, uh, when you have to worry about
09:06some players with their substance abuse addictions and what have you, I feel like with Durant,
09:12it might be his screen time.
09:13I feel like he might be, he might've, he might've like, he's one of the greatest basketball players
09:19this century.
09:20And yet still you wonder almost if he hadn't had to battle this social greater could he have
09:25been.
09:25Maybe you would've stuck around in the same place.
09:29What's one of the problems is everybody that spends too much time on social media loves
09:32to claim that none of the criticism affects them or bothers them.
09:36And it's one of the biggest lies told on earth because somewhere, some, somewhere deep down
09:41in ways that you might not even consciously realize it does affect you.
09:45And when you start getting hyper, like overly sensitive about how you deal with teammates
09:50or anything else, or when you feel like you need to change the scenery, a lot of that stuff,
09:54sometimes it's fueled partly by that, that all of that stuff you're being bombarded with
09:59while you're on social media.
10:00It's not healthy, man.
10:01Keep in mind, this is a 37 year old man that the media saw fit to ask the question at
10:10all-star weekend
10:10five days ago, if you had to give up one for the rest of your life, Twitter or video games?
10:16If you could give up one thing for the rest of your life, Twitter or video games,
10:23which one would it be?
10:26Damn.
10:28I'm going to go Twitter.
10:29I'm going to go Twitter because they don't deserve to hear this God level like talk I'm giving to them.
10:38They take it for granted because I'm already known.
10:41All right.
10:42So you, when you give a cut like that, especially so recently,
10:47you forfeit your right to write it off as Twitter nonsense when you get a bunch of,
10:52burner account screen grabs thrown up on the internet.
10:55He's been dispensing God-like wisdom out there on the internet,
10:58but now it's all just a bunch of nonsense.
11:00You forfeit the benefit of the doubt is how I'll put it.
11:03Yeah, that's what, well, that's, he's the one guy.
11:05It's the reason, it's the way he acts on social media and on Twitter specifically
11:09that allowed this story to blow up like it did.
11:12I could see if a lot of other athletes have been caught with a Twitter burner account,
11:17but it wasn't like with this level of evidence,
11:21where a lot of the evidence is still kind of just circumstantial.
11:24There's no, you know, hard links to IP addresses or anything like that.
11:28Like it just, people wouldn't, people would have really,
11:31it would have been really easy to blow off.
11:32Yeah.
11:32I think a lot of, it would have taken a certain,
11:34it would add a certain amount of life to it online,
11:36but then it would have died down.
11:38But because it's Durant and because he's notoriously online,
11:43that this is why it blew up to what it was.
11:45And then people now, a majority of people just assume,
11:48oh yeah, that's your burner account.
11:50And you're totally talking smack about your current and former teammates.
11:53Base power text line.
11:54Texter says, this is why the Suns didn't want KD on the team.
11:57Okay.
11:58This is an interesting angle.
11:59So the Suns, the Rockets are the four seed right now heading into tonight
12:04by themselves in the four seed in the West behind only OKC, San Antonio and Denver.
12:08However, they are only two games ahead of the Suns who are in the seven seed
12:14and would have to play at least one playing game right now to,
12:19to get into the, to get into the post-season.
12:22So I, what I wonder, I wonder if places like Phoenix, Seth, Golden State, Brooklyn,
12:31places Durant has been, are they looking at Houston right now?
12:35The way that we look at places James Harden has been the last few years
12:39where we're like, ha, the way I'm kind of looking at Cleveland right now,
12:42when I listen in on Cleveland and they're, you know,
12:44they're having a welcome party for James Harden
12:46and they're talking about getting to the NBA finals
12:48and we all know what it ends up looking like in the end.
12:53Are other cities, because I think you and I are both in favor of the Durant trade.
12:57I've been enjoying Kevin Durant up until the last four days as a rocket.
13:01Are other cities, do you think, looking at us right now going, like listening in right now going,
13:06ha, ha, told you.
13:07Yeah, I don't know.
13:08That's a, it's a good question.
13:09I don't think, I think just like up in Cleveland,
13:12you've said that when you've listened in Cleveland,
13:14people, people have their eyes open about what the potential drawback is here.
13:18Yeah, they kind of have a feeling as to how it's going to end,
13:20but they're going to enjoy the ride.
13:21They're going to enjoy the ride and say, hey, maybe this is, you know,
13:23like various other, Clayton Kershaw, you know,
13:27used to be awful in the playoffs and then all of a sudden he wasn't.
13:29That's right.
13:30You know?
13:30Yeah.
13:31Maybe Harden's got that in him.
13:32Who knows?
13:33And then, so maybe they're figuring, yeah,
13:34this is just when he turns it all around and he has his later Clayton Kershaw era.
13:39I think with, I think that we went into it with eyes wide open in terms of Durant
13:44and understanding he's not necessarily going to be a guy that you want to set your culture.
13:48He's going to change the culture.
13:50We felt like the culture was pretty good in a lot of respects,
13:52but a lot of that and a big part of it was that I think Fred Van Vliet was a
13:56part of that too.
13:56I like, is this easier to, is it easier to overcome a situation like this?
14:01If Fred Van Vliet is around, which he is around, but if he's actually running the,
14:06running the offense and everything, maybe, maybe it's, it's easier when that's the case.
14:12Maybe it doesn't get to this case.
14:13Cause maybe, maybe Durant doesn't make those comments about Jamari Smith and Albert Shane Goon.
14:18Allegedly, if, if the offense were more well-formed, Fred Van Vliet was running.
14:24That's, that's a really good point.
14:25I hadn't thought about that.
14:26The cause and effects of Van Vliet being out is why he's upset with these guys.
14:30That's a good point.
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