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00:07I got there, I saw the body of laying there on the ground, next to the deer stand.
00:12This was some type of execution. It was up close, it was personal.
00:20There was no indication as to who would have done this.
00:24I knew that my work was cut out, because we had nothing.
00:29It was a Hail Mary time.
00:32After 11 years, Ranger Holland knocked on my door and he said,
00:37we're going to go downtown to speak.
00:41Then what happened?
00:43He looked at me and he said, bitch you better go get that car.
00:48I thought I was going to go to prison.
00:57I've got a chill knife.
01:13I saw a cold knife.
01:15I saw a cold knife.
01:17I saw a cold knife.
01:22When I came out, I came out, I saw a cold knife.
01:27I was sitting in my office, and I got a phone call from a lady who identified herself as Gail
01:32Thompson.
01:33Well, first I said, you don't know me, but I saw your name in the Longview News Journal on a
01:39cold case.
01:40My son was murdered in 2006, and I'm wondering if you can help me.
01:45It's 11 years later, and there was no leads.
01:49The woman is in a lot of pain.
01:50She wants answers.
01:52I said, I thought maybe you could help.
01:54He said, what made you call me?
01:58It was kind of a weird deal to get a phone call from a victim's parent.
02:02I try to avoid getting too close to the family members.
02:06It sounds cold, but I really work hard at keeping myself in that non-emotional robotic state.
02:15But, you know, I was so touched by Gail.
02:18Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
02:20You know, that's just the way it is.
02:24He said, okay, I'm on it.
02:39I was at work as an investigator, and I had got a call that there was a young man that
02:46was on a four-wheeler, and he was riding out in the county, and that he had come across
02:52a dead body next to a deer stand.
02:56I got there, and the scene was already taped off.
03:02I saw the body laying there on the ground next to the deer stand.
03:09The victim's hands were in his pockets, and being shot in the back of the head with a shotgun.
03:16This was some type of execution.
03:19This was a cold-blooded, heinous murder.
03:32The victim had two forms of ID, and it was identified as 20-year-old Joseph Michael Douglas.
03:43My son, Joe, took an IQ test in school, and he scored so high, they placed him in Mensa.
03:50So that meant that he was smarter than his mama, and he tried to outsmart her every time he could.
03:57He had a big brain, but he didn't know how to use it.
04:00He didn't know how to channel that, and I was no elf.
04:04In 2006, Joe wasn't keeping in touch with me like I thought he should.
04:11It was kind of like he was trying to keep stuff from me.
04:14He said, Mom, why are you worried about me?
04:18Well, because I'm not sure you're making the best decisions all the time.
04:24And then, no communication, not hearing.
04:29So I'm calling these friends, who I don't even know.
04:31Joe? Anybody seen Joe?
04:33No? Miss Thompson? We haven't seen him this week.
04:38Dan, I'll give the call.
04:41Miss Thompson, could you come meet us at the police station?
04:44We believe we found Joe there.
04:49We did not have a murder weapon at the scene.
04:53What stood out was Mickey's beer can, cigarette butts, and a spent .22 shell casing.
05:02A medical examiner determined he was not killed by .22.
05:06He was killed by something more akin to a .410 shotgun.
05:10But that is not very much evidence.
05:13So there's a lot of speculation as to how these things end up out there and whether they have any
05:19connection.
05:19So from that point of view, you had a body that had been out in the woods for some considerable
05:26length of time.
05:26We don't know exactly how long.
05:29And then you had these objects.
05:31None of these objects necessarily connect to each other.
05:34And there was no indication of one as to who would have done this.
05:38But then there was no indication as to why he would be murdered like this.
05:43So it was puzzling more than anything else.
05:48I knew that my work was cut out because we had nothing.
05:53I need witnesses.
05:55I need to know who was the last person that saw Joseph.
06:09Once it hit the local news, we received calls from some of Joseph's acquaintances.
06:15And it was learned that the last person that Joseph was with was Jared Murray.
06:22Joe Douglas was living with Jared Murray and his wife, Lisa.
06:29I got a call from one of Joe's friends saying that he was found shot dead.
06:35I was terrified.
06:38I met Joe through Jared.
06:42Jared came home one morning with Joe and said he's going to stay with us for a little while
06:48because we didn't allow hard drugs in our home.
06:54And Joe was trying to get away from the hard drugs, which is why he was coming to our house.
07:01Joe told me he was going to stay with them because he was trying to get himself straightened up.
07:04And I was like, okay, fine by me.
07:08He was a happy person, always ready to smile, ready to laugh.
07:14He struck me as innately good.
07:16He didn't have a mean bone in his body.
07:19I don't think I ever heard him say a bad word about anybody.
07:25Joe had two kids.
07:28That's one thing that made it so hard.
07:31When he did talk about his kids, you could tell he really loved them.
07:36He always got a look on his face.
07:38I wish he had gotten a chance to be a father to his kids.
07:41I would have liked to have seen that.
07:42I think he would have been a good one.
07:53We went to go speak with Jared.
07:56We pull up to the house.
07:58We walk up to the front door, ask for Jared.
08:02He's there.
08:02And it was obvious that he did not like police officers.
08:08He was cursing and, you know, talking about he's already done time, and he did not trust police officers.
08:17When we asked him about Joseph, he had made mention the last time he had saw Joseph was, you know,
08:25a day or two ago.
08:28So Jared had picked Joseph up, and he went and bought him a Mickey's beer.
08:35And they rode around for a little while.
08:41And then also that he had left with some unknown woman.
08:47Jared woke me up.
08:48It was very early in the morning and told me that the cops were here and to go out and
08:54talk to them.
08:57We told the police that Joe had left the house with an unknown woman with brunette hair.
09:11In 2006, investigators tracked down this mystery woman, and they're actually able to put her to being involved romantically with
09:19Joseph Douglas.
09:21The problem was, about the time that Joseph Douglas disappeared, she had a solid alibi.
09:29They just slammed into a brick wall.
09:33Miss Thompson, she wanted to know what happened to her son.
09:37I was not going to give up.
09:41I was going to work harder.
09:44Who was the last person that saw Joseph?
09:49We've got two people in this scenario that were living with Joe at the time that he disappeared.
09:55They are the key to this whole puzzle.
10:06In 2017, I got a phone call from Gail Thompson.
10:11She said that her son, Joe Douglas, had been murdered in 2006, and she asked for my help.
10:18I reached out to the investigator who originally worked the case, which was Charles Helton.
10:25Ranger Holland, he was a breath of fresh air.
10:29We clicked.
10:32I ended up giving some details and what I knew about the case.
10:47Joseph had a lot of friends.
10:50There was a lot of people interviewed.
10:53They had mentioned this young lady named Shelby.
10:58We talked to Shelby.
10:59She gave us information about what she was told by Lisa and Jared, who had allowed Joseph to live with
11:07them about Joseph's murder.
11:10That Joseph was shot in the back of the head.
11:17Information that no one would know other than the killer.
11:21That gave us enough to get an arrest warrant for both Jared and Lisa Murr.
11:29The charges was murder.
11:31The first arrest was Jared.
11:34When we arrested Lisa, she was at work at a gas station.
11:40But there was still a lot of work that needed to be done.
11:43We needed more than what we had.
11:46The cops made it clear that they thought I was with him on it and that I was just as
11:55guilty.
11:57That jail was absolutely horrible.
12:01They thought that this would lead to Lisa turning on Jared Murray or vice versa.
12:10Both Lisa and Jared just refused to talk.
12:16While they were in jail, Texas Department of Public Safety Laboratory System also was running those cigarette butts in that
12:24Mickey's beer can,
12:25trying to develop some connection to either one of them, either through fingerprints, DNA, and ultimately they were not able
12:34to.
12:37When we got those results, of course it was a blow.
12:43Evidence was just not legally sufficient to support a murder conviction.
12:49Texas has a speedy trial riot act.
12:53After 90 days, defendants are released from custody if an indictment has not been obtained.
13:03They ended up dropping charges on both of us.
13:09They called and they said,
13:11Ms. Thompson, we had to release the Murrays.
13:14And I said, why did you do that?
13:16None of the evidence matched up.
13:22But somehow you have to focus your mind enough to, is there anything I can do?
13:28They put together a pretty good circumstantial case.
13:32Definitely enough for an arrest warrant.
13:34But making an arrest and going to trial and winning a conviction are two different things.
13:44First name, Chris.
13:472009, there was an inmate incarcerated by the name of Chris.
13:51You have agreed to talk to us about what you might know in this particular murder.
13:56Yes, sir.
13:57Who had come forward stating that he knew something about the Joseph Douglas murder.
14:02Of course, the reaction is he needs to be talked to.
14:07And Jerry had come to the house and he's like, man, I got to get rid of this.
14:11He opened the trunk and showed me a Moss Berger 410 pump action shotgun.
14:18The weapon that he had described was a 410.
14:21The wattings that they had obtained during the autopsy was that of a 410.
14:26So nobody knew that.
14:28So we drove out to a place that I knew.
14:31Took my shirt off and I wrapped my shirt around his gun.
14:34And I threw it in the water.
14:37Chris may seem like the holy grail.
14:39The problem is he's not the person that you can always believe.
14:42It's someone who's in a jam, in jail, and is trying to get out of jail.
14:50I took Chris out of jail that day and got him to show us the location as to where that
14:56gun was throwing.
14:57From 42 south to the entrance of the location is going to be 0.7 miles.
15:12He went right to the location.
15:15He did not hesitate.
15:24We had a creek that was probably about 6 to 8 feet wide and about 5 to 6 feet deep
15:31that needed to be searched.
15:36Can a jailhouse informant be the key to breaking a case?
15:40Yes, absolutely.
15:41Absolutely.
15:42But you have to corroborate what they say.
15:46Time is 11.37 a.m. April 10th.
15:50West County Sheriff's Office Rescue Unit still searching for the weapon in Johnson Creek.
15:55We were there, you know, well over seven, eight hours, looking for this gun.
16:09But we never found it.
16:12You better come my way.
16:19Gail, she never, for a moment, gave up on trying to get justice for Joe.
16:27Poor Mr. Helton, Charles Helton.
16:30I would call him every month and I could tell he was just dreading my call.
16:35He'd say, Miss Thompson, I don't have anything new to tell you.
16:40I'd say, that's okay.
16:41I'll call you next month.
16:48Just like any parent, Miss Thompson wanted to know what happened to her son.
16:53It was a big case and it was my case and it was my duty to solve it.
17:00Every year roll around, I knew that that was Joseph's birthday.
17:05Gail was not giving up.
17:06She had not forgotten about her son and she wasn't going away.
17:11You just can't ever give up.
17:13You just cannot ever give up because that's your baby.
17:17My heart just went out for Miss Thompson.
17:20That case weighed on me.
17:22It did.
17:40Ranger Holland came in quite a bit later when it was clear we'd reached the point this was a cold
17:46case.
17:48So when I dig into this thing, when I talked to Charles Helton, he knew the case inside out and
17:55from the get-go he broke it down to me and said, I feel like I know who committed this
17:59murder and I think that the weak link is the suspect's wife.
18:05Lisa Murray is Jared Murray's weak link.
18:09It's where he's vulnerable, specifically now because her and Jared are now divorced.
18:16It's the worst, perfect scenario to get in there and see what we can find out from her.
18:24I was talking with Jim about Lisa Murray.
18:27He says, hey, we've located her.
18:29She's out in El Paso.
18:30Let's make a road trip.
18:40The idea was I would hit her up at her doorsteps before she left for work that day.
18:48As I'm getting out of my truck and I'm walking up the driveway, I'm really wondering if today's going to
18:58be a game changer.
19:11For 11 years, Joseph Douglas' murder has gone unsolved.
19:16Joe's mother is counting on me to deliver justice.
19:20I know that the only way to get it is through the woman that lives here.
19:24I knock on the door.
19:27Lisa's dad answers and I ask for Lisa.
19:30Her dad says she's in Ohio.
19:35You know, it cut like a knife.
19:38But I am a believer in take lemons and turn them into lemonade.
19:44I reached out to her by telephone.
19:48Hello, Lisa.
19:51Hey, it's Jim Holland with the Texas Rangers.
19:53How are you doing today?
19:56After 11 years, I got a phone call from Ranger Jim Holland.
20:02And tell me what you remember about the last time that you saw Joseph.
20:09The last time I saw Joseph, he walked through the kitchen door into the living room and I saw some
20:17brunette girl standing there.
20:21And he walked out with her, said to see you later and didn't see him again.
20:28She basically wraps to the same story.
20:30And I told her, I know that you're not telling the truth.
20:35And I'm not going to go away until you do.
20:38There's a lot of storage I remember anymore.
20:40I'll guarantee you this, until we sit down and visit and you get this thing off your back, off your
20:45shoulders, you're going to be thinking about it nonstop.
20:48Can I tell you something, Lisa?
20:49Lisa, you may find this hard to believe, but I'm never wrong.
21:05I don't believe it's unfair to characterize it as a Hail Mary time.
21:11Jared Murray is an intimidating figure.
21:16And so it would be difficult for Lisa to give evidence against him.
21:24Jim had set up a day and time to speak with me.
21:32I was in agony.
21:33I didn't sleep a wink.
21:35I paced around my house.
21:36I cried.
21:37I stared at my son, sleeping in bed, thinking I'd never see him again.
21:42I thought I was going to go to prison.
21:47He knocked on my door, and he said, we're going to go downtown to speak.
21:55I calmed myself down and composed myself, and I went out to his truck, and I got the truck.
22:09The game plan is to get her in the front right seat of my truck and to drive and build
22:15rapport.
22:17She's had two weeks to think about this.
22:20Her head's about ready to explode.
22:22She wants to talk about the murder of Joseph Douglas.
22:25And we're not talking about that until I'm ready.
22:29I'm going to push it to the very, very limit, and then I'm going to open the release valve.
22:40April 2006, what's going on in your life?
22:42Who are you married to, and where are you living at?
22:45I'm married to Jarrett Reese Murray, and we are living at my grandmother's home.
22:52What's home life like?
22:54He physically put his hands on me twice.
22:57He was drunk.
22:59You're afraid of this guy, is that right?
23:01Oh, yeah.
23:02She was deathly afraid of him.
23:06The fear of her husband that had stopped her from talking, but, you know, she'd been arrested
23:15for this murder, and there was also the fear of going back to jail.
23:22One of the things that Ranger Holland wanted me to do was to give him a letter stating that
23:28the statute of limitations on a lot of possible crimes, like tampering with physical evidence,
23:35had expired.
23:37I showed you a letter that was from the district attorney in Rucks County.
23:40Do you remember what that letter said?
23:42Yes.
23:43I was always a little concerned about the idea.
23:46I would not want to discover that she was more involved in the murder than I believed,
23:52and now I had made it impossible to prosecute her.
23:55But Ranger Holland was very certain that that was what it was going to take to get her to
24:01talk about the case.
24:03I didn't want anything to stop you from telling the truth today.
24:07I believe this is the only time I've ever done that.
24:12How long have you known or did you know Joseph?
24:15Maybe a couple months.
24:17Is there a point in time that he ends up moving in with you?
24:20Yes.
24:21When's that happened?
24:22Sometime in April.
24:23And he was getting along with Jerry pretty good?
24:25Yeah.
24:26Obviously, we're here for a reason.
24:28When does all that change?
24:31I think I worked that night.
24:34When I got home, I went to sleep.
24:35And then I got woken up by Jared.
24:40He leaned down to me and said, I'm finna kill Joe.
24:46And what happens next?
24:47I went in the living room and Joe was sitting on the couch and I sat down next to him
24:56and I said, what the f*** is going on?
24:58Joe said, it's him or me.
24:59I said, what the f*** does that mean?
25:02It's a crazy story.
25:04It's really nuts.
25:06And the way that she told it was kind of eerie.
25:12She really steps back into the moment and she brings herself into 2006.
25:18I know it's not a story.
25:20I know it's what she went through.
25:25She just had to get this off her shoulders.
25:27Her head was going to explode.
25:32Where was Jared at?
25:33He was in the garage.
25:36Okay, so Jared comes back in and then what happens?
25:38Jared says, let's go.
25:40And he looked at me and told me to come up.
25:46And I said, no.
25:49And he said, bitch, you better go get in that f***ing car.
25:53And what happens next?
26:03It's been 11 years since Joe Douglas has been found dead.
26:08And we're finally starting to get some answers.
26:12Lisa Blythe is the same woman that was arrested in 2006 for the murder.
26:18She was too scared to talk then.
26:21And now she's our star witness.
26:28He said, bitch, you better go get in that f***ing car.
26:31And I said, no.
26:34I'm not going.
26:35He walked up to me about five inches from my face.
26:39And he had the shotgun in his hand and kind of, you know, the barrel up.
26:44So he points the shotgun at him?
26:45Yeah, pretty much.
26:46And he said, you bitch, you better keep your f***ing mouth shut.
26:53You wait here for me to get back.
26:57And I just watched him walk out the door and drive out of the driveway.
27:08When traumatic things happen to people, they tend to have this really solid memory.
27:16Do you know whose shotgun it was?
27:18It used to be a friend of the family's.
27:22His father committed suicide with it.
27:27And he didn't want it, so he gave it to my mother.
27:31And what kind of shotgun was it?
27:33A 410.
27:36She gives us the origin of the shotgun.
27:39He opened the trunk and showed me a Mossborder 410 pump-action shotgun.
27:45I mean, the shotgun was, you know, the cherry on top of the whipped cream.
27:50This was going to be a tool that I was going to use to fill in a lot of gray
27:55areas.
27:57What happens next?
28:00Pretty much cried myself to sleep.
28:02And Jared came into the room and woke me up again.
28:04And he said, it's done.
28:07And I just started crying.
28:11Because I couldn't believe it.
28:15He said he made Joe turn around.
28:19And he pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger.
28:23Lisa has pertinent details that no one could make up.
28:28Lisa's telling the truth.
28:30You can see the weight being lifted off of her.
28:34And it's a major, major advancement for the case.
28:40We actually had a warrant for Jarrett's arrest.
28:42So pull up to the house and arrest Jarrett Murray.
28:46In fact, I was on the phone with him.
28:49Jim asked me if I could maybe get him speaking.
28:54You know, what's going on?
28:55Why are they talking about this again?
28:58And I acted surprised.
28:59But he just hung up.
29:01He knew what it was about.
29:03But he knew he had also been arrested before and walked away from it.
29:08So I think he was ready to kind of play the game and see,
29:11hey, I've got out of this one time.
29:13Can I do it again?
29:19Hey, Jared, if you're cool with it, we're going to take those cuffs off.
29:23I'm going to treat him with respect.
29:26I'm going to play up that I'm the cop who's different.
29:29You're under arrest for the murder of Joseph Douglas.
29:31Joseph Michael Douglas, yes.
29:32Yeah.
29:32Okay.
29:36He's been arrested for it before.
29:38He's very comfortable in the interview room.
29:41He's been in a room like that so many times before.
29:44Granted, he hasn't been in the room like that with me.
29:46With my position comes a lot of money from the governor's office.
29:50And so we can retest things, new forensics and all that kind of stuff.
29:53Do you know much about guns or not?
29:55I shoot full.
29:58The shotgun was going to be my play.
30:01But I pull out all the reports.
30:04I pull out the autopsy report.
30:06I pull out the firearms and tool marking report.
30:10And I put all these things in front of them.
30:13When I start digging into this,
30:15and I find this shotgun wadding from this autopsy,
30:19this is actually a pretty simple case because the gun that kills this man when he commits suicide
30:26matches the same wadding exactly to a T that came out of Joseph Douglas' head.
30:37Would you agree that if I can put this shotgun in someone's hand, I have solved this case?
30:44So I was like, yeah.
30:45As much as he wants to ask me more questions about that, he can't.
30:50Because he knows if he does, he's going to tip his hat.
30:52Which is beautiful for me because we're just leaving everything in the gray.
30:56And I know that he's convinced I've matched up these two shotguns.
31:00Oh, I understand.
31:01So you can trace the gun to the house that I lived in.
31:04That you lived in.
31:08Now I hit him with the whammy.
31:10Lisa, his ex-wife, has provided all the information.
31:15You still have this perfect person out there, right?
31:19The mother of your child.
31:21Lisa.
31:23Because that's your alibi.
31:24And that's the only thing that was keeping you out of jail then.
31:29And so I drive to El Paso, not once, but twice.
31:32And I go visit with her.
31:35She tells me exactly what happened.
31:38She said, you said that you're going to kill Joe.
31:43And she said that you came out of the garage with a 410 shotgun.
31:46The same shotgun.
31:47She said that you got in the car and left with Joe.
31:50She said you came a little bit later.
31:52Kind of hysterical.
31:53And basically said, I did it.
31:54I did it.
31:55I killed him.
32:01He believed that he controlled her to such a degree that she would never turn on him.
32:10And so he realizes right then and there that what he thought would never happen, happened.
32:15I'm sorry that the boy is dead.
32:16I miss him.
32:17But I didn't kill him.
32:19This is a guy who's overconfident.
32:23Thought he was a lot smarter than he was.
32:27You know, if you offer me five years on probation, then you might, I might give you some closure.
32:33But I'd just be copping to something so you can clear your case level.
32:35No, I'm not an offer.
32:38No, I'm just saying that's the God's honest truth.
32:42You definitely don't go from 100 miles an hour of, I didn't do it, I didn't do it, I'm innocent,
32:48to, but I'd take five.
32:51Yeah, we're going in the right direction.
32:53I didn't do it.
32:54There wasn't much doubt in my mind that this was a guy who was going to have to let things
33:00sink in a little bit, and then you're going to have to go back at him.
33:06I'm going to make him think about this.
33:08I still think you'll make a smart decision, because I think you're too smart not to.
33:12I do know that he's a smart person, and I'm going to use his intelligence against him.
33:24So a couple days later, Jared says he wants to talk for a little bit, and I try round two
33:31out.
33:37September 25th, 2017, time is now 4.20 p.m. at the Russ County Sheriff's Department.
33:44What keeps him talking is his quest for information to know exactly how we have him, so he can figure
33:53out a game plan to beat it.
33:56If I was to tell you that I was an eyewitness, just hypothetically speaking now, there would have to be
34:09some sort of deal with that, right?
34:14Jared Murray is throwing out the possibility of another actor, you know, him being a witness and him providing information.
34:21But he's not actually naming the person.
34:25He's inferring who he is, which is going to be, you know, Chris, the jailhouse informant.
34:29Really, it's a desperation move.
34:32What I'm telling you is, is if you have something to say about this guy, I will run on that
34:37like a wild dog.
34:39I understand, man.
34:41I still have to work some things up in my own head.
34:44So to push this position, his line of bullshit, even more, I offer to show him Chris's interview.
34:52So this is Chris interviewing him.
34:56Christ.
35:09It's been 11 years since Joe Douglas was murdered.
35:13We're much farther than we were in 2006.
35:17Lisa's statement was huge.
35:20But even she wasn't there when Joe was shot.
35:23We still need Jared to admit that he killed Joe with intent.
35:33So this is Chris interviewing him.
35:36Jared comes in.
35:36He was drunk.
35:38I need your help.
35:38I need your help.
35:39I need your help.
35:40I need to get rid of his gun.
35:41I need to get rid of his gun.
35:42So I take him out there, the back 40, and we're throwing the gun away.
35:49So is Chris blind?
35:51Yeah.
35:52Yeah.
35:52Out of his ass.
35:54All the way out of his ass.
35:55Yeah.
35:56That is happening.
35:58If Chris committed this murder, then tell me and let me proceed with that.
36:04Jared throwing out the possibility of another actor is most definitely a crack in his armor.
36:09It's the wounded animal who's stuck in the corner, and he's really trying to figure a way out of his
36:14jam.
36:15I can't do that today.
36:17I can't do that for you today.
36:18Can't do that because it didn't happen or because you're not willing?
36:21I'm not willing to make any statement today.
36:24You understand what I'm saying?
36:27This is bullshit.
36:29And what this tells me is we're getting really close.
36:32You're the only one who can climb this thing.
36:39I just felt like the longer I spoke with him, the more he would wear down.
36:45And giving him a reason to like me enough to tell me the truth.
36:51You want to smoke?
36:52Hell yeah.
36:53What better way to get to know them and get them to like you than, you know, smoke a cigarette
36:59and eat a chicken sandwich.
37:01I went and got something to eat.
37:04I get a phone call, ended up bringing Jared something back to eat.
37:09Jim and Jared had walked down in front of the jail, and I had come back, and I gave him
37:14a sandwich.
37:16Jared and I just throughout the years, we had formed a rapport.
37:20I remember telling him, you know, let's go ahead and get this over with.
37:30Explain to me what happened, how things went down.
37:34Man, I haven't thought about this in over 10 years.
37:39There was some issue about, I guess, a dog or...
37:44Man, I don't... I honestly don't know.
37:47I knew exactly why.
37:49There was this drug dealer in Kilgore, Texas.
37:56And one night, some meth came up missing from his home, and so did a boxer puppy.
38:06And Jared is the one that took the boxer puppy.
38:10Joe saw him with the puppy.
38:13He knew it was this drug dealer's dog.
38:17So Jared was afraid that Joe was going to tell this drug dealer that Jared stole his dog.
38:24And that this drug dealer would come after him.
38:27I remember going out to the country, though, with him in the car.
38:33I don't know why the gun ended up in the car.
38:37I might have dared him to shoot me at that point.
38:42It was just stupid, acting like teenagers.
38:48And we went out there, and I don't know.
38:52He drank some beers and smoked some weed.
38:56Gun got shot.
38:59And he got shot.
39:01And I panicked.
39:07And I don't know.
39:09That's the best I can get.
39:11I honestly don't remember.
39:18I think it made him feel powerful.
39:21His idol was Scarface.
39:25It took him 11 years of wine and 10 minutes to confess.
39:30Was it 100% detailed?
39:33No.
39:34It was self-serving, but it was what we needed, and it got the job done.
39:47I was mad about it.
39:50I said, so Joe lived 20 years, 21 years, and that's all his life is worth?
39:56Because all we're talking about is 20 years?
40:00But something is better than nothing.
40:03That's how I felt then.
40:04That's how I still feel.
40:08If it hadn't been for the skill of Ranger Holland,
40:11we wouldn't have gotten there.
40:13Ranger Holland came in and did what a Texas Ranger is supposed to do.
40:17All I needed was somebody to tell me that I was okay, that I was safe,
40:23that I would not have to pay for Jared's mistakes.
40:27I have never regretted talking to Jim Holland, and I never will.
40:31Well, I just wish I had talked to him sooner.
40:36I'm confident that Joe's case would not have been solved without Ranger Holland.
40:44Joe was just a little punk kid, but he was my kid, and it mattered to me,
40:49but I didn't think it mattered to anybody else.
40:52I'm glad to see you again.
40:55Nice to see you again.
40:56Ranger Holland said, Miss Thompson, it matters.
40:58He mattered.
41:00I didn't know when Gail called me where this case would go,
41:05but I knew I was going to do my best to help this woman.
41:10I felt like she deserved it.
41:18Don't even think about it.
41:20We have a kidnapping of an innocent woman.
41:24I didn't do it.
41:25I let her go.
41:27It's something that I'll never forget.
41:29Be honest with me.
41:31When we're driving out here to find this girl,
41:33we're driving out here to find a body.
41:34You're right.
41:35Oh,
41:35I .
41:36Oh,
41:36be back on this book. Oh,
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