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00:04you go ahead spark okay hi uh this this is uh brother mike from the uh arizona deliverance
00:11center uh thank you for having me on again appreciate your patience with me you're very
00:16welcome we're always glad to have you mike we appreciate it okay well i had something i wanted
00:24to share with you tonight that uh it's not going to go over very well you know uh with about
00:3250 of the
00:33people but um i'm trying to stay a little contemporary and so um i wanted to give you a
00:42brief overview of the uh charismatic and prophetic and pentecostal movements here in the united states
00:50uh in light of uh recent uh youtube uh videos put out my by mike winger and uh he did
01:04uh a number of
01:05exposés on youtube and uh he's caused quite a controversy it's uh it's been kind of a neutron
01:14bomb going off uh all over the country he um has uh done uh some evaluations or exposés on several
01:26uh charismatic or prophetic leaders around the united states but mike doesn't understand
01:35and as far as i know almost nobody understands the root cause of all of this
01:44um everybody knows that um these people um need improvements but they don't actually understand
01:57how it's happening the actual nuts and bolts of it and that's what i wanted to explain to your
02:04listeners tonight if that's okay if i start with just a brief history um i left my uh secular
02:14counseling career behind in um 2005 and i opened up uh the house of healing in phoenix which was a
02:23christian counseling center and so uh i had uh resigned uh from my career completely i closed down my
02:35counseling practice in phoenix i laid off all my employees and i just walked out
02:41and uh the lord had kind of transitioned me over to christian counseling and uh in 2005
02:48uh i had a significant event happen to me um the uh counseling practice had taken off kind of like
02:59a
02:59rocket and i was getting a lot of people coming in for counseling and deliverance and um it was uh
03:07remarkable i had been seeing i had been seeing a lot of a lot of uh remarkable healings and deliverances
03:15and i would schedule people for an appointment like a regular counselor would they'd come in
03:21and uh at that time uh one of the ministries uh in in maricopa county it was the largest prophetic
03:31ministry in the united states at that time and uh they were in a small town a suburb of uh
03:39phoenix
03:39called maricopa it's where they had the ministry uh headquartered well a lady one of the ministers came to
03:48see me she called and scheduled an appointment she came in and uh i didn't know uh anything about what
03:58i'm about
03:58to share with you i was just totally ignorant uh this uh minister came in and uh i did a
04:07you know
04:07my normal interview kind of a clinical interview like i do with everybody and um at the end of the
04:13interview i'm sitting there going i'm talking to myself you know lord what do you want me to do with
04:21this this gal uh she's uh attractive well-spoken friendly um filled with the spirit speaks in tongues
04:35um definitely knows the lord has a good heart for god and uh she did have some problems with her
04:41dad
04:42when she was young couple of couple of family issues but nothing no no significant pathology no mental
04:48illness nothing uh this gal was was a straight arrow i liked her uh she was you know just a
04:58great
04:58person you know all the way around um good you know so uh well um i said well i'll just
05:07take a shot
05:07at this i'm thinking to myself and so i took took her into the prayer room and back in those
05:12days
05:13i was using a chiropractor's bench and uh i would have people lay down on the bench almost like a
05:20psychiatrist and i tried to get them to relax you know they'd take a few deep breaths and calm down
05:27relax and uh i was standing standing up up against the wall and the room was very small you know
05:38smaller
05:38than my my uh dan i'm in right now this tiny room wasn't that big
05:46i'm sitting there and i'm thinking to myself lord what am i going to do here well i guess i'll
05:50just
05:51i don't see any major problems here i think i'll just have uh some kind of generalized prayers or
05:56something you know and i can't even remember what i was praying it was there was nothing to it
06:03um so i started praying and i'm into it in about a minute or so and suddenly out of this
06:12beautiful
06:13woman laying there i hear some guy talking to me and it was not a regular guy this was kind
06:25of like
06:25a steven spielberg guy right i have her spouting off a bunch of crap talking to me i'm thinking what
06:36so it kind of scared me and i backed up and banged into the wall behind me i wasn't expecting
06:43that
06:44and then i kind of stood there for a second you know gathering myself and i said well that's some
06:51demon talking out of this gal how how can that happen uh how did i miss all that what happened
06:57to me so i launch into this spirit and it's it was an hour of a miniature legion coming out
07:08of this
07:08woman i couldn't believe it and after it was all over i was as stunned as she was uh i
07:20can't remember
07:20if i gave her any homework or not but anyway she went short story she went back to this prophetic
07:27ministry which at that time was the largest one in the united states of america now bethel is but back
07:33then it was uh the one here near phoenix she goes back there and tells everybody what happens
07:39happened to her at the house of healing with brother mike well that triggered an avalanche from that
07:47from that point on all through the summer and into the fall i was seeing two three and four five
07:55people
07:56a day five days a week you know i was off on saturday and then church sunday and uh i
08:04couldn't believe it
08:05uh i saw a series of people that were similar to her good people they were filled with spirit they
08:12loved the lord they were in they were doing good ministries um this prophetic ministry that was
08:17that was sending me these people they had a lot of really good ministries they had uh rescuing uh
08:22children they had uh sex slave rescues they had all outreach ministries all kinds of good things going
08:30on in this ministry just a whole bunch of them big ministry you know big money coming in huge money
08:36coming in lots of services they all seem great to me you know uh and this went on all summer
08:45long
08:46and i had to go to the lord obviously i'm shortening this story up but i had to go find
08:52out what in god's
08:53name was going on here how could all these spirit-filled christians and good people some of them were
09:02crackpots i had a you know i had a kook here and there but i'm talking about generally speaking
09:09just all kinds of good people couldn't believe it and that was my first introduction to uh kundalini
09:19demons i didn't know anything about them i was lost and god sent me to a scripture
09:28in second corinthians chapter 11 paul is saying to the corinthians uh apparently something like this
09:36had happened to paul a bunch some people had infiltrated the church over there the corinthians
09:42and um there was big trouble brewing and he says in second corinthians chapter 11 verse 2
09:49he says i'm jealous over you with godly jealousy for i have espoused you to one husband
09:58that i may present you as a chast virgin to christ verse 3 but i fear lest by any means
10:09as the serpent
10:12beguiled eve that's the greek word exopatako and it means to completely and totally
10:19fool uh eve wasn't partially fooled she was completely completely sucked in on the fruit thing
10:30as the serpent beguiled eve through his subtlety
10:36that your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in christ now the greek word
10:44for mind there is not a ma which actually is your thoughts of your mind is the way it should
10:51have
10:51been translated your thoughts then verse 4 blew me away and this is this one hit me in the face
10:59hard
11:01this was like in 2005 2006 it says if he that comes preaches another jesus whom we have not preached
11:11or you receive another spirit that we didn't receive or another gospel so now you're looking at
11:23something extremely strange here there's a there's a counterfeit out there and i wasn't aware of it at the
11:32time and the greek word for another jesus there is alos which means something of a similar kind in
11:41quality for example an orange and a tangerine they're they're different fruit but they're kind of similar
11:49you know uh a tangelo and a tangerine are two different but if you don't look carefully you know that
11:58boy they
11:58kind of look little but the greek word for another spirit and another gospel is not alos is heteros
12:11heteros heteros means something totally different like an apple and an orange
12:18you know like a pear and a strawberry they're both fruit but they're totally different fruit
12:27so paul was telling me to my utter amazement that there's there's another jesus out there
12:36and and it sounds like and kind of looks like the real jesus it's a very very uh highly uh
12:49crafted
12:53counterfeit but he said paul said these other spirits are totally different than the holy spirit
13:01they're not similar at all they're an apple and an orange that's what paul's saying
13:06and the king james translation doesn't doesn't work quite right because it's using the same english
13:12word for two different greek words which can lend to some some interpretive confusion
13:22i was stunned to find out that these kundalini spirits after i researched them had invaded uh the
13:31prophetic movement i was i was shocked and uh i remember back in 2008 i think it was there was
13:43a big revival
13:44going on in uh florida lakeland florida with a guy named todd bentley and this thing was huge
13:52there were people flying in from all over the world
13:58to go to this revival and i was watching that revival very intently i'd watch it every night when
14:04i got home from the counseling sessions
14:08and it started to bother me after a while something something felt off and
14:15and um i noticed that some of the spiritual manifestations at that lakeland revival were
14:21the kind that i was seeing from this other ministry here in maricopa county and these people that were coming
14:28over
14:28and i saw dozens of them
14:33and
14:35they were having a special night one night
14:38in 2008
14:42they were going to uh anoint pod bentley as the apostle over the entire movement
14:50in the united states the whole prophetic movement
14:55he was going to be the number one guy
14:57and they were having a special ceremony i think it was in a soccer stadium or something there
15:02and
15:05i'm watching it and everybody is there practically
15:09from the prophetic movement there was a couple people that weren't there
15:12patricia king wasn't there a couple others but generally speaking
15:15there was there was 20 something i don't know
15:20i mean these guys were all at the top of the prophetic thing
15:24number number one guy not rookies the top guys
15:29and they went through the ceremony there and uh
15:34paul kane was there just all kinds of people
15:38and they anointed him as the leader of the movement
15:41he was their anointed uh person
15:45leading the movement
15:46he wasn't going to be the only thing obviously but he was
15:49the head guy moving forward
15:50pop gun
15:51so to speak
15:53and
15:55shortly after that
15:57the guy runs off with his girlfriend and leaves his wife and three kids
16:02and nobody can believe it
16:05he didn't even wait for the revival to stop
16:09usually if you run off with your girlfriend
16:11you wait till after the revival
16:15this this one
16:18they can't even do that right
16:22well that's when god revealed it to me
16:24that he was trying to help them
16:29and he was
16:30he loved them
16:32and they were going down a bad road
16:34and he was trying to get them to see
16:38this verse i just read in second corinthians
16:40he was trying to get them to see
16:42listen
16:44you got to use your discernment
16:45because there's another jesus out there
16:48who kind of sounds and looks like
16:50the real one
16:56and
16:56the ministry that i
16:58that we had here in the phoenix area
17:00one of the top ministries in the whole country
17:04i went to several of their services
17:06and
17:07they had
17:09they had straight what i call strange fire miracles
17:12they would have
17:12miracles that were basically useless
17:15like in jesus's miracles
17:17if you happen to notice
17:18i'm sure you did
17:19uh
17:20they were all very useful miracles
17:22healing somebody
17:23delivering from demons
17:25uh
17:26saving people on a boat
17:27by walking on
17:28those were all really
17:29saving peter from drowning
17:32jesus's miracles were all very useful
17:35helpful
17:37spiritually productive miracles
17:39if you happen to notice that
17:40go through there and look at it
17:41i'm sure you have
17:42that's how they were
17:43these miracles that i was seeing
17:46at at these
17:48conferences
17:50were uh
17:52strange fire miracles
17:53they were basically useless
17:54gems on the floor
17:56gold dust in your hair
17:58one lady got up there
18:00talking and
18:01knocking gold dust out of her hair
18:04sometimes angel
18:05feathers would
18:06flop around
18:08wow there's an angel
18:08how were
18:09i didn't even know angels had
18:11little feathers
18:11they looked like chicken feathers
18:12i didn't even know the angels had
18:14those
18:15and
18:16then later on
18:18uh
18:19the people got used to those
18:21strange fire miracles
18:22and they didn't care about them
18:23anymore
18:23so the
18:24so different miracles started
18:26coming in
18:27see
18:28because the old stuff's not
18:30working anymore
18:30in psychology
18:31psychology we call that
18:33systematic
18:33desensitization
18:36they they start seeing glory
18:38clouds
18:40angel visitations
18:41wow
18:43uh
18:43angels
18:4450 foot tall
18:46angels
18:46two foot tall
18:48all kinds of weird stuff
18:51i was interviewing one of them
18:53one day
18:54and she says to me
18:55uh
18:56i asked her if she'd ever seen
18:58anything in the spirit war
18:59she said yeah at the last
19:00conference
19:01i said what happened there
19:02well i was
19:02we were all worshiping
19:04and praising god
19:06and uh
19:08i looked up at the top of the
19:10conference center
19:11and there was a circle
19:13of angels
19:14going around
19:14in the circle up there
19:16i say you saw
19:17you saw a bunch of angels
19:18going around the circle
19:19yeah
19:20i said well what were they doing
19:22she said
19:24they were dancing the polka
19:27i said
19:30you didn't catch that
19:33you didn't catch that
19:38they don't catch it
19:43they don't catch it
19:47and
19:47some of these really good people
19:49that i had
19:50that i
19:51that were coming in
19:52pouring their hearts out to me
19:53going through deliverance
19:56went right up to near the top
19:58of the ministry
20:00i mean the top guys
20:02came over
20:04and
20:05uh
20:09they didn't catch it
20:13they couldn't catch it
20:16they could not see it
20:20one guy i interviewed told me
20:22he was driving home
20:22and all of a sudden
20:23a giant flash of light
20:25way over yonder
20:26popped up
20:28and shot
20:29across the field
20:31across the highway
20:34into the field
20:35over there
20:36fast as lightning
20:37a giant ball
20:40of light
20:43like that
20:46this was one of the top ministers
20:48in this other ministry
20:50i'm telling you about
20:50one of the top guys
20:52regular
20:52regular conference speaker
20:55didn't catch it
20:57could not grasp it
21:01another guy from that ministry
21:02came to me for counseling
21:03and went through a
21:06monstrous deliverance
21:07i mean it was ridiculous
21:08uh
21:09huge manifestations
21:12he was their attorney
21:14one of their attorneys
21:15in
21:16in the
21:17the ministry
21:19and
21:19he went through
21:21about an hour
21:21deliverance
21:22and when he got done
21:23i had him go in the bathroom
21:26and quietly
21:28stare into the mirror
21:31and try to
21:32kind of look
21:33through himself
21:35stare right
21:35into his eyes
21:37and look
21:37through himself
21:39and i said
21:42what do you see
21:44he goes
21:45i see jesus
21:47i said
21:49that's not jesus
21:49that's another jesus
21:52immediately
21:53the guy
21:54screamed
21:55and fell down
21:56on the floor
21:58and
21:59it
21:59went through another
22:00half hour of deliverance
22:03major deliverance
22:06this was after
22:07i'd already gone through
22:08an hour of
22:08and
22:13what's happened
22:14now
22:15is that
22:16the prophetic
22:17movement
22:17that came down
22:18from toronto
22:19canada
22:21spread all through
22:23the united states
22:24and other countries
22:26uk and everything
22:27it's spread all over
22:30and
22:31these kundalini demons
22:33are so
22:35intelligent
22:35they're like
22:36road scholars
22:37they're not like
22:39regular demons
22:40they're
22:40heavy manifestors
22:42and they got
22:43huge
22:43iqs
22:44huge
22:46and they can
22:47outthink
22:48any christian
22:49at the drop of a hat
22:50no problem
22:51at all
22:52completely outthink
22:53you
22:53way higher
22:55iq
22:55than a
22:56than a christian
22:56or a human
22:58period
22:58way higher
23:02these demons
23:04appear
23:05to be
23:06christ
23:08and they're
23:09able to perform
23:10these miracles
23:10these supernatural
23:12miracles
23:13and i started
23:14watching
23:15some of the
23:16people get
23:16healed
23:18at lakeland
23:19revival
23:19and and
23:20in this ministry
23:21when i go to
23:22the conferences
23:22and i noticed
23:24that there was a lot
23:25of partial
23:25healings
23:27and
23:28i asked the lord
23:29about that
23:30i said well
23:30i don't understand
23:31how that worked
23:32will you explain
23:33it to me
23:33he did
23:36these spirits
23:37get into
23:38the person's
23:39body
23:39and they
23:39cause
23:40some kind
23:41of illness
23:41or sickness
23:44then
23:45if somebody
23:46comes along
23:47with
23:47with any
23:48kind of
23:48anointing
23:48at all
23:49and
23:50if they
23:51want to
23:51manipulate
23:52them
23:52they get
23:53them to
23:54pray for
23:54their healing
23:55and so
23:55the demons
23:56that are
23:56causing
23:57the problem
23:57back off
24:02and
24:03how's your
24:04leg feel
24:04it feels
24:05a lot
24:05better
24:07how's your
24:07back feel
24:08feels better
24:09better
24:09and they go
24:10hallelujah
24:11thank you
24:11jesus
24:12when in fact
24:12the whole
24:13thing
24:14was a
24:15scam
24:16they were
24:17causing
24:18the illness
24:19and they
24:20just simply
24:20lift it
24:21off
24:22to give
24:23the
24:23preacher
24:24who's
24:25kind of
24:26in the
24:26bag
24:26but they
24:28don't know
24:28it
24:29to give
24:30that
24:30preacher
24:30the sense
24:31that hey
24:31you've got
24:31the gift
24:32of healing
24:33and you're
24:34doing a
24:34great job
24:34and I
24:35noticed
24:35Todd Bentley
24:36had a
24:36whole bunch
24:36of partial
24:37healings
24:39and that
24:39really bothered
24:40me at the
24:40time because
24:41I didn't
24:41understand
24:45so let's
24:45go to
24:46currently
24:47and the
24:48Mike
24:48Winger guy
24:49has had
24:49enough
24:50okay
24:52and he
24:53seems like
24:53a legitimate
24:54guy
24:55he seems
24:55like a
24:56nice person
24:56he seems
24:57to do
24:58his homework
24:59he doesn't
25:00seem to be
25:01a raging
25:01psycho
25:04he got
25:05into the
25:06prophetic
25:06movement
25:06and became
25:08disillusioned
25:09and what
25:10happened was
25:11he saw
25:12things on a
25:13grander scale
25:14than I was
25:15seeing where
25:16you've got all
25:17these ministers
25:17but they're not
25:19sanctified
25:21and another
25:22issue that
25:23God showed
25:23me was
25:24that your
25:26anointing
25:26has got
25:27nothing to
25:28do with
25:28your
25:28character
25:32these are
25:32not
25:34Siamese
25:34twins
25:37so
25:38somebody can
25:39have a high
25:39anointing for
25:40something
25:40but have a
25:42low character
25:49what's that
25:50called
25:50a church
25:51scandal
25:53when do
25:53you see
25:54those
25:54daily
25:58these
25:59ministers
25:59that have
25:59great
26:00anointings
26:00and they
26:00have all
26:01these
26:01healings
26:02you cannot
26:03assume
26:04that person
26:06is
26:07sanctified
26:08in their
26:09personal life
26:10you cannot
26:10do that
26:12okay
26:13who knows
26:14that better
26:14than me
26:15no one
26:15I'm a
26:16counselor
26:17and people
26:18come to
26:18me and
26:19tell me
26:19their deep
26:19dark
26:20secrets
26:20hello
26:23I'm not
26:24a minister
26:24or a
26:25pastor
26:25where you
26:26come in
26:26and kind
26:26of snow
26:27a guy
26:27over
26:28no
26:29I get
26:30the
26:31details
26:31of what's
26:32going on
26:35and I
26:36started seeing
26:36all these
26:37gifted
26:37people
26:38all these
26:39anointing
26:40people
26:41with
26:41integrity
26:42issues
26:45over and
26:46over again
26:47and that's
26:47what
26:47Winger
26:48is now
26:48exposing
26:50on a
26:51national
26:51scale
26:51he's
26:52saying
26:53hey
26:53this
26:54guy
26:55here
26:56he's
26:56got all
26:57these
26:57personal
26:58problems
26:58he's
26:59got
26:59sex
26:59problems
27:00they've
27:01got
27:01financial
27:02integrity
27:02problems
27:03and then
27:04he goes
27:04on to
27:05the next
27:05one
27:05and they
27:06have
27:06similar
27:06problems
27:07and he
27:08goes on
27:09to the
27:09next
27:09one
27:09see
27:10and so
27:11the devil
27:12then sees
27:13that happening
27:13he starts
27:14giggling
27:15it's a
27:16crack up
27:16to him
27:17so what
27:18he does
27:18is he
27:19gets
27:19everybody
27:19to attack
27:20Winger
27:21because they're
27:22touching God's
27:23anointed
27:23and he is
27:24a critical
27:26monster
27:27you know
27:28and then
27:29they get
27:29the other
27:30people
27:30who's
27:31doing all
27:32these things
27:32to lie
27:34and try
27:35to get
27:36people to
27:36think they're
27:36not doing
27:37because
27:39the Winger
27:40guy is
27:41a certified
27:42psycho
27:42we hate
27:44him
27:44he's crazy
27:45he's nuts
27:45and so
27:46the devil
27:47then pits
27:47both sides
27:49against each
27:49other
27:50and he
27:50gets it
27:51into a
27:52group
27:53MMA
27:53fight
27:54everybody's
27:55getting
27:55knocked
27:56out
27:59so
28:01here's
28:02what
28:02Winger
28:02doesn't
28:03understand
28:07God
28:08showed me
28:09how this
28:09works
28:12human
28:13beings
28:13are made
28:14out of
28:14five parts
28:15and those
28:15five parts
28:16are
28:18body
28:18soul
28:19spirit
28:19mind
28:20conscience
28:23your soul
28:24is the
28:24seat of
28:24your emotions
28:29your
28:29conscience
28:30is the
28:31seat of
28:31your
28:31morality
28:35your spirit
28:36man is the
28:37seat of
28:37your
28:37spirituality
28:40your mind
28:40is the
28:41seat of
28:41your free
28:42will and
28:43your IQ
28:47they're all
28:47in the same
28:48suitcase called
28:49the body
28:53so when
28:54somebody becomes
28:55a born-again
28:55Christian
28:56John chapter
28:56three
28:59the Holy
29:00Spirit
29:00it says
29:02Jesus said
29:03you must be
29:03born again
29:04the Greek word
29:05is
29:05it means to
29:07be generated
29:08or to
29:09be birthed
29:09or generated
29:10from above
29:12what happens
29:13is if you
29:14preach to
29:15me and
29:16I'm convicted
29:17of my sin
29:17and my
29:18conscience
29:18and I
29:20decide to
29:20come to
29:21Christ
29:21I then
29:22receive Christ
29:24as my Lord
29:24and Savior
29:25the Holy
29:26Spirit comes
29:27from above
29:27heaven and
29:29he enters
29:30my body
29:30he goes
29:32to my
29:32spirit man
29:33because your
29:34spirit man
29:35is the seat
29:36of your
29:37spirituality
29:39the spirit
29:41man is the
29:41only thing
29:42about the
29:42person
29:43that's saved
29:44or born again
29:45the rest of
29:46them's jacked
29:47up
29:50your mind
29:51is not
29:52saved
29:53it's renewed
29:54over time
29:57that's why
29:58the Bible
29:58requires us
29:59to renew
29:59our minds
30:00you don't get
30:01saved and
30:02suddenly have
30:02the Bible
30:03memorized and
30:04understand the
30:04deep things
30:05of the universe
30:05that's not
30:06going to
30:06happen
30:08that does
30:08not happen
30:09to anybody
30:11and your
30:12soul is not
30:12healed you
30:13may have
30:13severe
30:14wounds from
30:14your parents
30:15your spouse
30:16your what
30:16have you
30:17your spirit
30:17man's fine
30:18but your
30:19soul and
30:20your emotions
30:20are scarred
30:21that is
30:23healed over
30:23time
30:24hopefully
30:27your conscience
30:28isn't born
30:29again
30:30you were
30:31living in sin
30:31before you
30:32had your
30:33conscience
30:33scarred you
30:34had it
30:34seared in
30:35some areas
30:36it takes
30:37time to
30:38through the
30:38word of
30:38God
30:39through prayer
30:40to
30:42remove
30:42and restore
30:44your conscience
30:46that's how
30:47it works
30:50your body
30:51isn't instantly
30:51healed when
30:52you get
30:52saved
30:54absolutely
30:54not
30:55hopefully
30:55you get
30:55healed
30:56later
30:57but your
30:57body could
30:58still be
30:58jacked up
30:59your person
30:59could be
30:59born again
31:01that's
31:01happened to
31:01me several
31:02times
31:02I've gone
31:03I've had
31:03the privilege
31:03of going
31:04to hospitals
31:04on a
31:05deathbed
31:06deathbed
31:07confessions
31:07and I went
31:08right after
31:08the person
31:12and they
31:13got saved
31:13but they
31:14were still
31:14sick
31:14and then
31:15they died
31:17I saw
31:18it with
31:18my own
31:18eyes
31:24the only
31:24thing about
31:25us
31:27all of
31:28us
31:29that's
31:29perfect
31:30and is
31:31in mint
31:32condition
31:34is our
31:34spirit
31:35man
31:35we are
31:38born again
31:39we are
31:39children of
31:40God
31:40we
31:41we have
31:42the Holy
31:43Spirit
31:43living in
31:44that area
31:45in that
31:46compartment
31:46in that
31:47room
31:47whatever you
31:47want to
31:48call it
31:48use your
31:48own
31:48terms
31:53kundalini
31:54spirits
31:54are not
31:55in the
31:55spirit
31:56man
31:56they get
31:57into the
31:58person's
31:58body
31:59they get
32:00into their
32:01brain
32:03okay
32:04so the
32:05Holy Spirit
32:05when he
32:06when the
32:06anointing
32:07comes up
32:07you manifest
32:09your
32:10gifting
32:11your anointing
32:12your gifting
32:14when the
32:15kundalini
32:16spirit
32:16attacks the
32:17mind
32:17and your
32:18subconscious
32:18it manifests
32:21and then you
32:22get
32:22false
32:24words
32:24fake
32:25prophecies
32:27strange
32:28fire
32:28miracles
32:29angel
32:30dust
32:31all the
32:32silly
32:33stuff
32:35and the
32:36person
32:37can have
32:38both
32:40and I
32:41saw it
32:42all summer
32:42in 2005
32:43all these
32:45good people
32:45coming in
32:46with
32:46giftings
32:47and anointings
32:48and everything
32:49and
32:52loaded
32:53with demons
32:53now how
32:54can that
32:55be
32:55none of
32:56them were
32:56possessed
32:58they were
32:58infected
32:59see the
33:00spirits
33:00hide in
33:01the body
33:01or the
33:02brain
33:02and they
33:03cause a
33:04mental or
33:04physical
33:05illness
33:05see
33:06if you've
33:07got
33:07schizophrenia
33:08bipolar
33:09or borderline
33:10you have
33:10demons in
33:11your brain
33:13controlling
33:14your mind
33:15your mind
33:16is in
33:16your brain
33:18and they
33:20attack your
33:22thoughts
33:23like Paul
33:24said
33:25they attack
33:26your dreams
33:28these
33:29kundalini
33:29spirits can
33:30give you
33:30fake visions
33:31fake
33:31words
33:33fake this
33:34fake that
33:35see
33:35and so
33:36Mike Winger
33:37who doesn't
33:37understand any
33:38of that
33:38he just
33:39exposes the
33:40sin
33:40okay well
33:41this guy
33:41here
33:42you know
33:43what he was
33:43doing
33:43he was
33:43checking
33:44facebook
33:44out
33:45and he
33:46found out
33:47some personal
33:47things about
33:48the person
33:49was coming
33:49to the
33:49meeting
33:50you know
33:52and so
33:53he spouts
33:54off like
33:54he's got
33:55God told
33:56me this
33:56and that
33:56see
33:57well that's
33:58what Winger
33:58sees
33:58Winger
33:59sees that
34:00and he
34:01goes well
34:01this guy's
34:02a fraud
34:02he's fake
34:03and a
34:04fraud
34:04that's
34:04what he
34:04says
34:05okay
34:05what Winger
34:07doesn't
34:07understand
34:08and what
34:08none of
34:08these other
34:09prophetics
34:09understands
34:10what I
34:10just told
34:11you
34:12if you
34:13have
34:13kundalini
34:14spirits
34:14hiding
34:15in your
34:15brain
34:16they will
34:17hijack
34:17your
34:18mind
34:18your
34:19conscious
34:19mind
34:20they will
34:21hijack
34:21your
34:21subconscious
34:22mind
34:22they will
34:24give you
34:24visions
34:25okay
34:26and these
34:28kundalini
34:28spirits
34:29are so
34:29smart
34:31they don't
34:32stay with
34:32the same
34:32miracles all
34:33the time
34:33because they
34:34know the
34:35law of
34:35systematic
34:36desensitization
34:37they know
34:38people are
34:38going to
34:39get used
34:39to them
34:39so they
34:40have to
34:41keep changing
34:41up the
34:42miracles
34:43see
34:44so now
34:45let's say
34:46you saw
34:47a bunch
34:47of gold
34:48dust
34:48and angel
34:48feathers
34:49you don't
34:49give a rip
34:50about that
34:50anymore
34:51and the
34:52demons
34:52know that
34:53so they
34:53say hey
34:54you know
34:54what you
34:54need
34:55you need
34:56a trip
34:57to heaven
34:57oh
34:59I want
35:00to go
35:00to heaven
35:01I went
35:02to heaven
35:02last night
35:04and I
35:04saw Santa
35:05up there
35:06with a bunch
35:07of aborted
35:08babies in a
35:08playground
35:09they were
35:09having so
35:10much fun
35:10who's so
35:11neat
35:11I said
35:12I'm pulling
35:13my hair
35:13out
35:14somebody
35:15stop this
35:17nobody
35:18sees it
35:19they can't
35:20see it
35:25because they
35:25have
35:27the Holy
35:28Spirit
35:30Kundalini
35:33not here
35:34not in the
35:34spirit man
35:35they can't
35:35get in
35:35there
35:40they're
35:40in their
35:41brain
35:43oh I
35:44need a
35:44trip to
35:44hell
35:46heaven
35:46you got
35:47used to
35:47that
35:48did you
35:49now we're
35:49going to
35:49take you
35:50to hell
35:50there you
35:51go
35:51there's
35:52Michael
35:52Jackson
35:53my god
35:54he's dancing
35:54while he's
35:55burning
35:58they give
35:58you one
36:00spectacular
36:01it seems
36:01real
36:03these people
36:03are not
36:04lying
36:06they're
36:07not lying
36:07it seems
36:08real
36:08I'm telling
36:09you
36:10false
36:10visions
36:11seem
36:12real
36:14so do
36:15Holy
36:15Spirit
36:15vision
36:17they seem
36:18absolutely
36:18totally
36:19completely
36:20real
36:21Peter
36:22looked up
36:22there and
36:23he saw
36:23this sheet
36:23coming down
36:24it looked
36:24like a
36:25sheet
36:27and he
36:27looked on
36:28this sheet
36:28there was
36:29all kinds
36:29of different
36:29animals
36:30some of
36:30them were
36:30good
36:31some of
36:31them were
36:31bad
36:31they had
36:33a bunch
36:33of good
36:34and bad
36:34stuff
36:35all mixed
36:35up
36:35and
36:37and God
36:37says hey
36:38Peter
36:38what is
36:39that
36:40oh these
36:41are animals
36:41they look
36:42like animals
36:44literally
36:46it wasn't
36:47a magic
36:48trick
36:48I mean
36:49these visions
36:50look and
36:51feel
36:51real
36:56fear demons
36:57are similar
36:59to kundalini
37:00spirits
37:01you know
37:02they can
37:02attack a
37:03person at
37:03night
37:03and they
37:04could be
37:05laying there
37:05and suddenly
37:06have what
37:06we call
37:07sleep paralysis
37:08they wake
37:09up
37:10and they're
37:11frozen
37:14froze
37:16and
37:17they try
37:18to move
37:19and their
37:19arms are
37:20stuck
37:20you know
37:21they can't
37:22move
37:22and they're
37:24petrified
37:26they feel
37:27like
37:27scared
37:28to death
37:29and then
37:30they keep
37:31trying to
37:32say like
37:32Jesus
37:33or something
37:34and finally
37:37they fight
37:38and work
37:39Jesus
37:40and they
37:40get it
37:41out
37:41and boot
37:42the paralysis
37:43breaks
37:44or something
37:45like that
37:46that's not
37:47true in every
37:47case I'm just
37:48giving one
37:48example
37:49could be a
37:49different
37:49thing
37:50but the
37:51thing will
37:51break
37:52hey those
37:52are fear
37:53demons
37:53attacking
37:54you
37:55well the
37:56person goes
37:57well I'm
37:58being oppressed
37:59by demons
37:59no the
38:00demons on
38:01the outside
38:01are working
38:02with the
38:02ones that
38:03are on
38:03your inside
38:04and that's
38:05how you
38:05got sleep
38:06paralysis
38:09and trust
38:09me if
38:10you've ever
38:11talked to
38:11anybody had
38:12sleep paralysis
38:13it's real
38:15and they're
38:16not they're
38:16not having a
38:17hallucination
38:18like they're
38:19on LSD
38:19no it's
38:22real if
38:25you talk to
38:25a mentally
38:25ill person
38:26and has
38:27schizophrenia
38:27or bipolar
38:28or something
38:28it's real
38:30they're not
38:31imagining
38:32these issues
38:35they're not
38:35making it
38:36up
38:39this stuff's
38:40all real
38:41it's just
38:43a different
38:44source
38:48how did
38:49how did
38:50all these
38:50people get
38:51Michael
38:51Wingerized
38:52well
38:55in our
38:56society
38:58in
38:59in
38:59you know
39:01your mainline
39:02denominations
39:03Lutherans
39:04Episcopals
39:04Methodists
39:05Baptists
39:06in your
39:08Pentecostals
39:09your
39:10Prophetics
39:10your Charismatics
39:12across the
39:13board
39:14here's how
39:15it works
39:15somebody
39:17comes to
39:18God and
39:18they legitimately
39:19get saved
39:19then they
39:20get filled
39:21with the
39:21Holy Ghost
39:22and they
39:22start speaking
39:23in tongues
39:24and then
39:24they have
39:26maybe they
39:27have another
39:27gift or
39:28they have
39:28different
39:29anointings
39:29for things
39:30and they
39:31go wow
39:32I got a
39:33new life
39:34in Christ
39:34this is
39:35great
39:36I want
39:37to serve
39:37the Lord
39:37I know
39:39and their
39:39church
39:40around
39:40the church
39:40people around
39:41them
39:42they encourage
39:43them
39:43they say
39:44you know
39:44you ought to
39:45become a
39:45minister
39:46go to
39:47go to
39:48Bible
39:48college
39:49or seminary
39:50or take
39:50this
39:51you know
39:52correspondence
39:52course
39:53and get
39:53a certificate
39:55and you
39:56can go
39:56in the
39:56ministry
39:57see
39:58that
39:59sounds
39:59great
39:59because
39:59I love
40:00the Lord
40:00I want
40:00to serve
40:01the Lord
40:01and so
40:02the person
40:03got
40:03saved
40:05they got
40:05born again
40:06they got
40:06filled with
40:07the Spirit
40:07then they
40:07went to
40:09Bible
40:10college
40:10but they
40:12never went
40:12through
40:12deliverance
40:14so
40:15what happens
40:16is
40:16what I
40:17call
40:17is
40:18carryover
40:18they
40:20experienced
40:20carryover
40:21they carried
40:22their demons
40:23from their
40:23sinful life
40:26into their
40:27Christian life
40:29and because
40:31the churches
40:31the pastors
40:32the ministers
40:33the board
40:33members
40:34the whoever
40:35are so
40:36ignorant
40:36at how
40:37this process
40:38works
40:40they don't
40:41see it
40:46and so
40:46the person
40:47goes to
40:47Bible
40:48college
40:48and gets
40:49a bachelor's
40:50degree
40:50in ministerial
40:51or evangelism
40:52or what have
40:52you
40:55and
40:55if they get
40:56a master's
40:57degree
40:57whatever
40:57what have
40:58you
40:58they come
41:00out
41:00and then
41:01they
41:02they go
41:03to different
41:04churches
41:04within their
41:05denomination
41:05and they
41:07interview for
41:07openings
41:09pastoral
41:10openings
41:10associate
41:11pastor
41:12youth
41:13pastor
41:13whatever
41:13it is
41:14different
41:14things
41:15and
41:16if the
41:17church
41:17likes
41:18them
41:18they'll
41:19take
41:20them
41:20aboard
41:21see
41:22not
41:23knowing
41:24not
41:25understanding
41:26that their
41:26pastor
41:29and the
41:29person
41:30they just
41:30hired
41:31never went
41:32through
41:32deliverance
41:35and so
41:35they're
41:36carting
41:36around
41:36these
41:37demons
41:37not in
41:38their
41:38spirit
41:39man
41:39they can't
41:40do that
41:40in their
41:41body
41:41or they
41:43hide in
41:43their
41:43brain
41:43and they
41:44put
41:45thoughts
41:47visions
41:47dreams
41:48whatever it
41:48is
41:49whenever it
41:49is
41:49into
41:50into
41:51the
41:51person's
41:52conscious
41:53mind
41:54because
41:55they're
41:55able to
41:55manipulate
41:56the
41:56person's
41:57subconscious
41:57mind
41:59that's how
42:00powerful
42:00they are
42:01so the
42:02witch of
42:02endor is
42:03sitting there
42:03by the
42:04fire
42:05and
42:06she's
42:07she's
42:07going through
42:08her
42:08conjuring
42:09routine
42:10okay
42:11and this
42:12woman
42:12is not
42:13born again
42:13but she
42:15has enormous
42:15spiritual
42:16power
42:17power that
42:18king
42:18saul
42:19did not
42:19have
42:21she was
42:22a
42:22super
42:23powered
42:23witch
42:24and so
42:25she starts
42:26conjuring
42:27up and
42:28these demons
42:28start manifesting
42:30all over the
42:31place
42:31because of
42:33this woman's
42:34demonic
42:34anointing
42:39well if
42:40a born again
42:40spirit filled
42:41christian
42:42also has
42:43a demon
42:43similar to
42:45the witch
42:46of endor
42:48they're
42:48going to
42:49they're
42:49going to
42:49have
42:50strange
42:50spiritual
42:51things
42:52happening
42:52to them
42:53and
42:53nobody's
42:54going to
42:54catch it
42:55they're
42:56going to
42:56think
42:56it's
42:56of god
43:02and so
43:02when winger
43:03points this
43:04stuff out
43:05these people
43:05don't go
43:06oh my god
43:07i'm infected
43:07i got to
43:08get healed
43:08they take
43:09an offense
43:10at it
43:11then they
43:11launch a
43:12counter attack
43:14at this
43:15human
43:15satan
43:19and so
43:20winger doesn't
43:21really know
43:22what's going
43:22on
43:23the infected
43:24people don't
43:25know what's
43:25going on
43:27everybody's
43:28clueless
43:30and the
43:31demons are
43:31standing around
43:33just belly
43:34laughing
43:39taking the
43:39cash of the
43:40bank
43:40winning
43:41winning
43:43because
43:44god's
43:45people
43:45perish
43:46for lack
43:47of
43:47knowledge
43:48when you
43:49don't
43:49understand
43:50something
43:50that's
43:51the devil's
43:52playground
43:54he loves
43:55people that
43:56are ignorant
43:56and people
43:58who have no
43:59real
43:59discernment
44:01the kundalini
44:02spirits give
44:02them
44:03discernment
44:04and some
44:05of them
44:05are quite
44:06amazing
44:07you know
44:08what uh
44:08you were
44:09praying the
44:09other day
44:09and oh
44:10how'd you
44:10know that
44:11well the
44:11demons following
44:12this person
44:13over here
44:14told the
44:15demon in
44:16the guy's
44:16head
44:17that this
44:18person was
44:18doing this
44:19and that
44:19at home
44:20and so
44:21at the
44:21meeting
44:23something
44:23pops up
44:30or you
44:31have or
44:32you have
44:34other cases
44:35that have
44:36nothing to do
44:37with kundalini
44:37for example
44:39uh
44:41robert
44:41tilton
44:42in texas
44:43or
44:44peter popoff
44:45in canada
44:47you may
44:48have never
44:48heard of
44:48these people
44:49but these
44:50people are
44:51not in
44:51this category
44:52that's a
44:53different
44:53category
44:53those people
44:55are con
44:56artists
44:58they're just
44:58in it for
44:59the money
45:00they're just
45:01flat out
45:01con artists
45:02and that
45:03this is not
45:04what i'm
45:04talking about
45:05that's not
45:06kundalini
45:06spirit
45:07that's a
45:08different
45:09demon of
45:09deception
45:10they're not
45:11even born
45:11again people
45:12okay
45:13i'm not
45:13talking about
45:14them
45:14what i'm
45:15talking about
45:16these
45:16prophetics
45:17who are
45:18so many
45:19of them
45:20are hard
45:21working
45:21loving
45:22caring
45:25anointed
45:25anointed
45:26gifted
45:26people
45:28who
45:29don't
45:30understand
45:30what i
45:31just
45:31explained
45:32they don't
45:33understand
45:34the five
45:35parts of
45:35the human
45:36they don't
45:36understand
45:37how somebody
45:37can have
45:38the holy
45:38spirit
45:38in their
45:39spirit man
45:40and a
45:41demon
45:41in their
45:41brain
45:42and both
45:43of them
45:44working
45:45in the
45:45person
45:53now i'm
45:54going to
45:54get a
45:54lot of
45:55bad
45:55emails
45:55tomorrow
45:56that's
45:56fine
45:59winger
46:01winger
46:01seems like
46:02a good
46:02guy
46:03okay
46:03so
46:05if it
46:05comes out
46:06that he's
46:06a serial
46:07killer
46:08he will
46:08have fooled
46:09me
46:09he will
46:10fool
46:10me
46:11okay
46:12but i
46:13know
46:13winger
46:14doesn't
46:14understand
46:15how this
46:16works
46:16spiritually
46:16i've
46:17listened
46:17to him
46:18numerous
46:18times
46:19he doesn't
46:20get it
46:20he doesn't
46:21know why
46:22these people
46:22are acting
46:23like that
46:24he doesn't
46:25know why
46:25they believe
46:26it so
46:27much
46:28he doesn't
46:29know why
46:29they need
46:30it so
46:30much
46:32now
46:33you know
46:34greed
46:36lust
46:36that's a
46:37different
46:37subject
46:39okay
46:39i'm talking
46:40about the
46:41spiritual
46:41deception
46:42that paul
46:42ran into
46:43that had
46:44infiltrated
46:45the corinthian
46:46church
46:46and there
46:48was another
46:48jesus running
46:49around that
46:49place
46:50and he
46:51looked like
46:52the real
46:52one
46:59but there
47:00were also
47:00different
47:01spirits there
47:02that were
47:02not like
47:03the holy
47:03ghost
47:05and how
47:06do you
47:06find them
47:06winger
47:07found them
47:08but doesn't
47:08know it
47:10these
47:11different
47:11spirits
47:12running
47:12around the
47:13charismatic
47:14movement
47:14and the
47:15prophetic
47:16movement
47:16they
47:16generate
47:17symptoms
47:19lust
47:20sexual
47:21perversion
47:21selfishness
47:23greed
47:25that's
47:26rife
47:26through the
47:27prophetic
47:28movement
47:28there's
47:30it's all
47:31over the
47:31place
47:34well how
47:35can somebody
47:36be a liar
47:36and a
47:37cheat
47:38like that
47:38and have
47:39the holy
47:39spirit
47:39they don't
47:40understand
47:44your free
47:45will determines
47:46if the holy
47:46ghost is going
47:47to take over
47:47today
47:48so then the
47:49holy spirit
47:50then manifests
47:50out of your
47:51spirit man
47:51and then that's
47:53where he
47:53lives
47:54but your
47:55will can
47:55also determine
47:56whether or
47:57not you want
47:58to scam
47:58somebody out
47:59of their
47:59estate
47:59cheat
48:00somebody to
48:01donate
48:01money
48:02chase
48:03after some
48:03short skirts
48:04run off
48:05with somebody
48:06and leave
48:06your wife
48:06and three
48:07kids like
48:07Todd Bentley
48:08did
48:09that's
48:11all based
48:12on your
48:12free will
48:15and if
48:16you're a
48:16bifurcated
48:17person so to
48:18speak and
48:19you don't
48:20know that
48:20and Winger
48:21doesn't know
48:22it then he
48:24has no
48:24spiritual
48:26explanation
48:26for the
48:28mechanics of
48:29how this
48:29works
48:31I
48:32wouldn't
48:32have known
48:32it if
48:33it hadn't
48:33been for
48:342005 and
48:35I had seen
48:36dozens and
48:37dozens of
48:38ministers come
48:39see me I
48:41would have
48:41never known
48:41it I
48:42didn't know
48:42anything about
48:43it
48:58I don't think
48:58I should go
48:59on I'm
48:59already buried
49:00myself alive
49:04God bless
49:05you Mike
49:07I'm not
49:08laughing at
49:09you I'm
49:09laughing with
49:09you
49:12the ones
49:13that people
49:14that don't
49:14understand what
49:15you're saying
49:15let me tell
49:16you
49:17they already
49:18got enough
49:19problems on
49:20their on
49:20their hands
49:23especially with
49:24the kundalini
49:25spirit
49:27and believing
49:28in false
49:29deities
49:30I'll say
49:31because that's
49:32what they
49:32are
49:32so Mike
49:33we thank
49:34you for
49:34sharing the
49:35most intriguing
49:35aspect of
49:37Mike Winger and
49:38the prophetic
49:38movement and
49:39how Satan
49:40uses counterfeit
49:41spirits
49:41especially to
49:42trick many
49:43into being
49:45oppressed
49:45oppressed
49:46because they
49:47opened up
49:47that door
49:48you know
49:49and
49:50or
49:50possessed
49:51you know
49:51even
49:52it can
49:52happen
49:53depending on
49:54what level
49:55they come
49:55in at
49:57but we
49:57know that
49:58even more
49:59clear now
50:00as 1 Corinthians
50:0211 says
50:03even Satan
50:04disguises himself
50:05as an angel
50:05of light
50:06of course
50:08we thank you
50:09so much
50:09love again
50:11all right
50:12thank you
50:12we appreciate
50:13you Mike
50:14all right
50:15thank you
50:15now if you
50:15happen to be
50:16in the Phoenix
50:16area please
50:17give me a call
50:17602-636-5800
50:19you can come in
50:20for a counseling
50:21appointment
50:21we have a
50:22counseling center
50:22there there's
50:23no charge
50:23for born again
50:24Christians
50:25you can send
50:26me an email
50:26mike at
50:27hardcorechristianity.com
50:28if you're
50:28female
50:29we do have
50:30a residential
50:31facility for
50:31females
50:32you can come
50:32there and
50:33stay there
50:33temporarily
50:34while you
50:34go through
50:34your healing
50:35and deliverance
50:37see you
50:38next time
50:39love you
50:39praise the
50:40Lord
50:40love you
50:40too
50:40Mike
50:41take care
50:44praise the
50:45Lord
50:46you know
50:47many
50:49I want
50:49to
50:49I just
50:50want to
50:50say that
50:50Mike
50:51is a
50:51blessing
50:52you know
50:52he's very
50:53very articulate
50:54and very
50:55special
50:56to us
50:57here at
50:57Luke 418
50:58church
50:58and the
51:00way that
51:01he
51:02pulls in
51:03the Bible
51:03and psychology
51:04which is
51:05part of
51:06things in
51:07the Bible
51:07of course
51:08is just
51:09amazing to
51:09me
51:09and I
51:10appreciate
51:10him for
51:11sure
51:11the Bible
51:15and I
51:15don't
51:16know
51:16what
51:16is
51:16going to
51:16do
51:16and I
51:16can't
51:16see you
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