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00:00Scott, The Big Weekend Show is next.
00:09Hello, everyone. I am Tommy Lahren, along with Joey Jones, Julie Banderas, and Dr. Mark Siegel.
00:14Welcome to The Big Weekend Show. And the big story tonight is a Fox News alert.
00:19So, major police activity in Arizona as investigators are leaving no stone unturned in the search for Nancy Guthrie.
00:26Last night, a Pima County SWAT team and the FBI searched a home approximately two miles away from Guthrie's house.
00:32Sheriff Chris Nanos tells Fox News that no one was arrested and no one remains in custody following the raid.
00:38Meanwhile, the FBI has released doorbell camera footage from Nancy's home showing the potential kidnapper.
00:44Law enforcement describing the suspect as a 5'9 to 5'10 male with an average build.
00:50He was wearing a black 25-liter Ozark Trail hiker backpack.
00:54The FBI is continuing to ask for help and is offering a $100,000 reward.
01:01Joining us now with the latest live from Nancy Guthrie's home in Tucson, Arizona, is Max Gordon.
01:07Max, what can you tell us?
01:10Hey there, Tommy.
01:11Well, there was a flurry of law enforcement activity last night with the FBI and the Pima County SWAT team executing that search warrant
01:17just a short ways away from Nancy Guthrie's home.
01:20A lot of hope that there would be a major break in the case, but today the Pima County Sheriff's Department is saying that no one is currently in custody.
01:27This is what that scene looked like last night in that neighborhood in the Catalina Foothills,
01:32which is just a five-minute drive away from Nancy Guthrie's home.
01:35Dozens of law enforcement officers were involved, authorities confirming that it was in relation to the investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.
01:43Then, in the parking lot of a nearby Culver's fast food restaurant, law enforcement searched a silver or gray-colored Range Rover.
01:49At this scene, there were law enforcement from multiple agencies, including the Pima County Sheriff's Department and the FBI.
01:55Law enforcement loaded the SUV up onto a flatbed and ended up taking it away.
01:59This as the search for the suspect continues.
02:02Caught on Nancy Guthrie's ring doorbell camera, he's described as a male between 5'9 and 5'10 with an average build.
02:09He was seen carrying a 25-liter Ozark Trail hiker pack from Walmart.
02:14Authorities have yet to name the suspect, even as the investigation reaches the two-week mark.
02:20The FBI increasing the reward up to $100,000 for any information that leads to the arrest and conviction of a suspect or for the location of Nancy Guthrie.
02:29Meanwhile, the Pima County Sheriff's Department and the FBI say they are working around the clock following up on leads,
02:35but no media press conference is scheduled.
02:39They say they won't schedule one until a major development occurs here in Tucson.
02:45Tommy, back to you.
02:46Max Gordon from Tucson, thank you so much.
02:49And joining us now with reaction is former NYPD Lieutenant and Undercover Narcotics Officer Darren Porcher,
02:55who is also on the ground in Tucson.
02:57Darren, we're so glad to have you.
02:59So there are reports that there were three individuals detained last night in relation to this case,
03:04but no one has been arrested or is in custody.
03:07So walk us through why authorities would detain someone if they weren't necessarily a suspect.
03:15Well, thanks for having me as a guest.
03:17The reason why authorities were able to detain these individuals is because they had a warrant from a magistrate which elicited probable cause.
03:26Law enforcement needs probable cause to apply for and receive a warrant.
03:30So based on those two components, both law enforcement and the judge, it was an appropriate action.
03:36In addition to that, we had a vehicle that was stopped at a covert, which is a fast food restaurant relatively close to here.
03:42That individual was released as well.
03:44But once again, it was a warrant that was the determining factor as to law enforcement stopping these individuals.
03:51But unfortunately, they've all been released.
03:54But at the same token, this is not at a loss because there may have been information that law enforcement was able to extract from all of the individuals involved as we move forward in the investigational process.
04:04I think it's important to understand, you know, this person happened to be seen on a ring doorbell at some point in the last two weeks.
04:31That's not probable cause.
04:32That's not probable cause.
04:32Like what is it, at what level of action or evidence would it take to be able to get a warrant like that?
04:41Probable cause is what would lead a reasonable police officer to believe that the individual in question committed a criminal act or they were a part of a criminal entity.
04:54That's probable cause.
04:55It's very different than the conviction standard, which is beyond a reasonable doubt.
05:00You need beyond a reasonable doubt to convict someone.
05:03But probable cause is the standard of proof necessary to take a person into custody to answer for a charge in question.
05:09And that changes depending on the judge signing the warrant, basically?
05:13It's pretty much an opinion of the judge?
05:18Well, it's not just an opinion.
05:20The judge is looking for supportive conclusions to be introduced into the process.
05:25The judge oftentimes is going to check the information that's presented to them to determine if this is a reliable source and it's necessary to move forward as it relates to an arrest or a search in particular.
05:39So in this instance, we had a search, but we didn't have arrest.
05:43However, we did have individuals that were taken into custody, but they were referred to, which we'll refer to as detainees.
05:50But those individuals were not arrested.
05:53Taryn, it's Julie Banderas.
05:54Let me talk to you about the search area, because it seems a law enforcement have been focusing on the same area within a two mile vicinity or so of Nancy Guthrie's home for the last week and a half or so.
06:05Is that typical in a case like this?
06:07And then what would be your reaction to the ransom note that Harvey Levin had mentioned, which hints at possibly taking their search internationally, which was maybe possibly a way to throw off investigators?
06:21None of what Harvey Levin and TMZ have received has actually ever been verified.
06:26But is it typical to keep this search so close to home?
06:29Well, when we think from the perspective of what's typical, we as law enforcement want to enlist the public as best as possible, because it takes an immense level of man hours to track and go to all of these homes within a two mile radius to where Nancy's residence is.
06:49So what we did, or I should say what law enforcement did, was they put out a blast through Ring doorbell, and that alert basically told individuals that lived within a two mile radius, if you observed or you captured some level of suspicious or nefarious behavior, please report that to us as law enforcement so we can move forth and investigate this.
07:11This cuts down on a lot of man hours, and it affords the investigators the opportunity to work on additional components as it relates to this case.
07:19As it relates to Harvey Levin and these letters, I think the cooperation factor is key.
07:26You need to cooperate all of the information in these letters before you take them as a credible source as it relates to a ransom note.
07:34One of the things that I've seen, which is very rare, unique, actually I want to say I've never seen a situation where a kidnapper introduced a ransom note to a media outlet.
07:46Generally speaking, kidnappers will introduce a letter to the family, and usually it says something like, don't tell police or we'll kill you.
07:54This is a very different scenario.
07:56That's what I've been saying from the very beginning.
07:57We'll do the best that we can to authenticate this.
07:59Yeah, even Harvey Levin actually is saying that he wouldn't pay the ransom based on what he has read, and he's not sharing the entire content of the notes that he's received, but he himself says it would be a bad idea to pay this ransom because it actually could hamper the investigation.
08:17And you also want to take into consideration, we had a bogus ransom note that came from someone in California, and that person has since been arrested.
08:24So we really want to drill down and make sure that this is authentic.
08:28Darren, this is Dr. Siegel.
08:30You know, as a former NYPD detective, you many times had to deal with local versus the FBI, who has jurisdiction.
08:39And you said earlier on our air on Kayleigh's show that you thought this was going smoothly.
08:43One thing that's been eyebrow raising is where's the evidence being examined?
08:47You know, Sheriff Nanos has it being looked at in Florida.
08:51The FBI obviously has a really great forensics lab, and I, from my perspective, is looking at it from the point of view, is the evidence degrading?
09:00Is the DNA degrading?
09:01What are your thoughts about why you think this may be running smoothly?
09:07Well, in all investigations, when you have additional agencies, you're always going to have disagreements.
09:14And that's fine.
09:15Case in point, I worked in the NYPD.
09:17Oftentimes, we had joint investigations with the FBI.
09:19We may have disagreed on things, but the ultimate course of action was to ensure that justice was introduced.
09:26So now we look at this situation as it relates to the Pena County Sheriff's Office and the FBI.
09:32The discovery or the DNA evidence has been introduced by the Pena County Sheriff's Office to Florida.
09:40I understand that, a lab in Florida, rather.
09:43I understand it from the perspective of they have a working relationship, and they've had a working relationship with this lab for years and years and years.
09:51I want to say 30 years.
09:53And if they are going to use the FBI's lab in Quantico, they don't necessarily have that relationship.
09:59And the lab in Quantico, they basically would perceive themselves as being on an assembly line, meaning your DNA is on line with all of the rest of the 50 states in the country.
10:10So you may not have the ability to speed things up.
10:12Whereas if you're interacting or engaging with the lab that you have a relationship with in Florida, you may have some sway in terms of getting this done as quick as possible.
10:22As it relates to the degrading of the DNA, the more you analyze it in a lab, the more it becomes degraded.
10:30So you want to analyze it as little as possible.
10:34I shouldn't say as little as possible, as less as possible, because you don't want to degrade it.
10:40Thank you so much, Darren Portia, for all of that insight.
10:43And thanks for taking the time tonight.
10:44We really appreciate it.
10:46Thank you, brother.
10:47Thanks for having me as a guest.
10:49All right, Joey.
10:50So I want to take it all the way back to kind of where we started here.
10:53Suspect, 5'9 to 5'10 average build.
10:57Doesn't exactly narrow it down.
10:58But we've been watching that surveillance video all week long.
11:01People have been dissecting it.
11:03They've been looking at the height.
11:04They've been looking at the weight.
11:05They've been looking at the backpack.
11:06Apparently now they're saying that this backpack could have been from Walmart, or it is from Walmart.
11:11What does all of that tell you about how close we're actually getting to crack in this case?
11:16Yeah, I'm going to do, I'm going to practice what a priest, try not to be a hypocrite here.
11:20I've been frustrated.
11:21A lot of analysts that have been on this network and other networks have gone beyond analyzing what we know and just basically spouting theories.
11:27And I don't think that helps.
11:29I mean, I've heard, you know, different ones for the last several days.
11:32Since the last time we sat at this desk together a week ago, this video is really the evidence that exists.
11:38Everything else is conjecture.
11:40Everything else is us trying to read tea leaves.
11:41So what does this video show?
11:43It shows a plethora of little things that if they can trace them, matter.
11:47Where things were bought, brands of things, the height of the person, hair color.
11:51You know, all those things they're starting to get to.
11:54I think there's a sketch now.
11:55We may have a chance to talk about that later, of what their facial structure may be, even under the mask.
12:00I think AI, stuff like that, are helpful.
12:02But if they're doubling the reward and they're, you know, arresting people or detaining them in the middle of the street at a traffic stop and letting them go 12 hours later,
12:13I don't know that the police are any closer, based on what we know.
12:16We don't know what they know, but what we're seeing is they're not getting any closer.
12:20Yeah, something that's surprising to me, Julie, and they could have very valid reasons, and I'm sure they do, for not releasing more surveillance footage.
12:27But the fact that this is the only video we have, I think it leaves a lot of questions as to why is there not more video?
12:33Why don't we have video or why is there not been video released, other angles, the night before?
12:40So this is really what we have, and it's a clear video as far as you can see somebody approaching the home.
12:45But as far as video evidence, that's all we've gotten.
12:48Right. So on a case like this, obviously, my biggest pet peeve is when a lot of people love to speculate online.
12:53I mean, the speculation and the rumors online are out of control.
12:56But you stick to the facts and you stick to the evidence.
12:58So you've got the evidence of the video, obviously.
13:00But what I thought was interesting in the last 24 hours is that they did discover DNA that does not belong to somebody close to Nancy Guthrie in her home.
13:10So that means they've tested the DNA of every single family member.
13:13That means that the son-in-law has been tested and Annie, the daughter, has been tested, obviously, Savannah's DNA, so that they can't confuse it with other DNA found in the home.
13:23So they do have DNA that does belong to someone who's not in the close family circle.
13:28And that, I believe, will be very interesting.
13:30The DNA samples that were sent to Florida, I find to be interesting.
13:33Why wouldn't they use the FBI there?
13:35You know, there was some talk of possibly Savannah Guthrie telling the sheriff that they no longer really need him in this case because the FBI is doing such an excellent job.
13:46But they are also playing catch up.
13:48I thought Darren Portra gave a great answer to that.
13:51One I wasn't expecting about relationships between the sheriff and a particular lab.
13:56But I agree with you.
13:57That FBI lab is number one.
13:59The other thing, other point I want to make here, Joey's point about speculation, excellent, way too much of that.
14:05Michael Bodden, forensic pathologist who's extraordinary, said to me that he thinks the biggest issue with this case from the beginning is they didn't cordon off the area early enough and get everybody out of there.
14:16I think, and we can explore this, we've got today and tomorrow, but part of it that was pointed out last week when we were on the show is it wasn't viewed as a crime immediately.
14:25It was a missing person, and so maybe that had something to do with it.
14:28But they saw blood, and they did say that it appeared she did not leave willfully.
14:33So what I'm getting to here is maybe the instincts in the beginning weren't there because it is a relatively safe place.
14:39I mean, one thing we do know is this is like the perfect place to commit this crime because they're not allowed to have ambient light,
14:44and all their driveways are behind foliage because they want privacy.
14:48So you're not going to catch somebody on a ring doorbell driving down the road because the ring doorbells can't see the road.
14:53So there's all these little factors that we kind of don't talk about that are compiling on this,
14:58and maybe a local sheriff, maybe they didn't have the instinct for it.
15:02I don't want to demonize them, though.
15:03Dr. Siegel, just real quickly, I wanted to ask you to Julie's point about the other DNA found.
15:08What would it take to leave DNA in someone's home?
15:12And what I mean by that is if I walk into my friend's house, am I going to leave DNA if I'm just in there?
15:17Like, how sure are we, or how sure from your perspective are we, that if they found other DNA,
15:22that it's not just random, that someone was in our house and maybe a hair fell,
15:26and that was a complete legit reason to be in there?
15:28That's what I'm really curious about.
15:29That is a great question.
15:30The answer is that DNA is very easy to find.
15:34It isn't only on blood samples.
15:35It's everywhere.
15:36So it's fingerprints.
15:37It's anything you touch.
15:38And they can date it, too.
15:39So they should be able to figure out when the DNA was left.
15:41And if not who it belongs to, if they find somebody, then they can compare what they found.
15:47So it may not lead them to the person, but if they find the person, they can compare the DNA.
15:51The genealogical search.
15:52Well, still to come on a jam-packed big weekend show,
15:55we will have more coverage on the search for Nancy Guthrie and bring you any breaking developments.
16:01Plus, DHS funding has officially lapsed as the Democrats force another shutdown.
16:06Congressman Mike Lawler will join us in the next hour for tonight's big close-up to talk about that and more.
16:11But first, the Save America Act heads to the Senate.
16:15And if Democrats block the legislation to protect our elections,
16:18President Trump says he might take action.
16:21We're going to explain next.
16:23Can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky like shooting stars?
16:28I can really use a wish right now, wish right now, wish right now.
16:34The Save America Act and the Democrats are against it.
16:40Basically, it's got three very simple points.
16:43It's got voter ID, photo ID, but voter ID with a photo, right?
16:49It's got the confirmation of U.S. citizenship.
16:55The Save America Act is headed to the Senate after it narrowly passed the House.
17:01Only one Democrat supported it.
17:03As the rest of the party threw a temper tantrum.
17:05Check it out.
17:06This is election rigging.
17:10This is voter suppression.
17:12The Save America Act is just another part of a scheme by House Republicans and the Trump
17:16administration to take over our elections.
17:19It undermines our democracy.
17:21What I hear is the same racist, misogynistic trash, different decade.
17:25We will not let Republicans use claims and lies about voter fraud to rip the right to vote
17:32away.
17:33Oh, they're big mad.
17:35Even Barack Obama chimed in to say the bill will disenfranchise millions of Americans.
17:40But all it does is require a photo ID and proof of citizenship to register to vote.
17:46And voter ID is extremely popular, including among black Americans and Democrat voters.
17:50But it looks like Senate Dems will make sure the bill doesn't pass.
17:56Republicans bristle.
17:57The right wing bristles every time I say that the Save Act is Jim Crow 2.0.
18:02They don't like it because sometimes the truth hurts.
18:05The Save Act is dead on arrival in the Senate.
18:07Well, it may be dead on arrival in the Senate, but President Trump is floating the idea of
18:12an executive order that can enact some of the provisions in the bill.
18:17I won't read that there, Tommy.
18:19But, you know, I think you agree with me.
18:21We want to see government function the way it's supposed to.
18:23Yeah.
18:23I don't think it's out of the question for Congress to take action to secure our elections.
18:28We've had 2016-2020 where both sides said, hey, we don't like what happened here.
18:33We pontificate that you cheated.
18:35Why is it so hard?
18:36And you know what I realize about this?
18:38It's not just non-citizens.
18:39This also helps stop people from voting in two or three states at one time.
18:43I think that's not a bad thing either, is it?
18:45It's not a bad thing unless you're counting on it, right, to win elections.
18:49I don't want President Trump to do this by executive fiat because I think Senate Republicans
18:54need to take this to the mat and they need to get it done.
18:57Do not give them a way out.
18:58Do not give them any wiggle room to say, well, President Trump will do it.
19:02He's done everything.
19:02He's done everything to secure our border, to protect our cities, public safety with the
19:08National Guard in D.C.
19:09He has had to do everything himself.
19:11Meanwhile, congressional Republicans have sat in their hands and waited for President Trump
19:15to do something.
19:16Now it's their time.
19:17It's their time to act.
19:18And you know I've said it before.
19:19If you need to blow up the filibuster to get this done, do it.
19:22Because in my opinion, this is all that matters.
19:25One more point.
19:26Listen to the Democrats say it's racist and misogynistic.
19:29I can't think of anything more racist and misogynistic than saying that people of color
19:33cannot get an ID and proof of citizenship and women cannot get an ID and proof of citizenship
19:38or their marriage license, all these little things that they need to show them name change.
19:42That's the most racist and misogynistic thing I have heard.
19:46And it's coming out of the mouths of Democrats.
19:47You know, Doc, I don't know if this bill actually goes back to the House or if the Senate just,
19:51if Thune just sits on it.
19:52I'm not sure what's going to happen with it.
19:54Maybe they could fund it to where whatever it costs to get a birth certificate or a change
20:00of name form is granted in there for the purpose of registering to vote.
20:04Then that takes a big talking point away.
20:05I have a solution I'll get to in a second that you're not going to believe.
20:08But you know, there's four states, Wyoming, Arizona, Louisiana, and New Hampshire,
20:11where you actually can't vote without proof of citizenship already.
20:14So, of course, this is Trump derangement syndrome coming from the Democrats.
20:18By the way, New York State, New York State, which is as blue as it gets, it almost passed
20:23here in 2023.
20:25So states are considering this even without the president getting involved.
20:29Now, here's my solution.
20:31If Schumer was watching this, he would come after me for sure.
20:36How about we have proof of citizenship or at least a green card for a driver's license?
20:41That's the solution.
20:42Then you can use your driver's license to vote.
20:44Well, Julie, you would have to have a mandatory ID to vote, and some of the states don't have
20:49that.
20:49So it's kind of funny to me.
20:51I think one thing that Democrats are kind of jumping over is this idea.
20:54You do it usually once, right?
20:56You go get that documentation to register to vote, not to vote.
20:59Once you've registered, then you just use your ID to vote.
21:02So that's going to last for several years.
21:04The Democrats don't want people to have to register to vote or to have to show ID because
21:08they want illegals to vote for them.
21:10That's why they're trying to keep them here, because those at this point are the biggest
21:13fans of Democrats going in this country.
21:17And as far as this passing in the House, that's all great.
21:20But Schumer is going to stop it in the Senate, so it's not going anywhere.
21:22And he's saying, absolutely not.
21:24This is not going to move forward.
21:25Why would we ever be opposed to Americans voting for American politicians?
21:30I mean, God forbid, you know, that we have to cross-check to make sure that we have Americans
21:34voting people into office.
21:35That's crazy.
21:36I just can't even understand the argument.
21:38And how this is racist and misogynist is absolutely beyond me.
21:41How hard is it to get an ID, for God's sakes?
21:43If you don't have the energy to get your butt to a center to get yourself an ID, then you
21:49don't have time to go to a voting poll.
21:51Tell me, the one thing they're saying is, well, it might affect Republican voters, too.
21:57Doesn't that make the bill even more pure?
21:58Like, doesn't that show the intent of Republicans aren't to disenfranchise Democrat voters?
22:03Well, now, all of a sudden, Democrats care about married women and rule voters?
22:09Since when have they ever cared about married women and rule voters as their number one constituency?
22:15Never.
22:15They don't care about rule voters.
22:17I thought your point about getting a voter's registration card is absolutely right.
22:21You know, that's step one here.
22:23And by the way, Julie, to your point, illegal immigrants, when they get in here, and they
22:28do eventually become citizens, they often vote Republican.
22:30So it backfires on the Democrats.
22:32Yep.
22:33All right.
22:33You had to do it the right way, though, Doc.
22:35So that's a little different.
22:36We're not going to solve this problem agreeing with each other, which is what we're doing,
22:39because it's common sense.
22:40We're going to have to bring a Democrat in here and argue with them, I guess.
22:43I don't know.
22:43All right.
22:44Still ahead.
22:44Gavin Newsom and AOC bombed their audition to be the next president at the security conference
22:49in Munich.
22:50But first, leftist media is sounding the alarm on marijuana use after admitting predictions
22:56were wrong with legalizing it.
22:58We're going to debate that.
22:59Our son believed the industry's propaganda.
23:12He developed a cannabis use disorder, suffered cannabis endo-psychosis, and he died by suicide.
23:17Cannabis use does cause suicidal thinking, suicide attempts, and sadly, suicide in my
23:23son.
23:24Brian looks at me and he says, Mom, I can't breathe.
23:28And he took his last breath.
23:32I had to process that because weed doesn't kill you.
23:37But it did.
23:39The media is finally acknowledging the dangers of marijuana, as the New York Times editorial
23:45board finally admits predictions were wrong when it came to legalization.
23:50They find that 18 million Americans now consume marijuana at least 21 days per month.
23:56That's what I call an addiction.
23:58While addiction to the drug has surged and many have been hospitalized due to its effects,
24:02recovering addicts have been sounding the alarm for the past few years.
24:06My addiction to marijuana was making me a distant parent and not as engaged with my children and
24:16not as engagement with my wife.
24:18It took me the spiritual journey, the introspection, the meditation to start to realize that I actually
24:23did have an addiction and I had a problem and I was using weed as this coping mechanism.
24:28I had burned a lot of bridges, a lot of relationships, a lot of family, a lot of things because of my focus on this addiction.
24:37Now the question is, will states reconsider their lax laws on pot?
24:41In 2012, only Colorado and Washington state had legalized recreational marijuana, but today it's legal in 24 states.
24:51And Tommy, as a practicing physician, I can tell you that what led to a lot of this was it being medically legal in 40 states.
24:59And that was used as a political cover for it being legalized recreationally with the idea that it had been proven that it had medical uses.
25:06Now that's being questioned.
25:08Yeah, well, you know more about the medical uses than I do, certainly.
25:12But I'll tell you this.
25:13To the point of all these videos we're seeing of these people saying, I was addicted.
25:16If you've ever been around somebody who smokes a lot of weed, most of us could deduce that they have an addiction.
25:21Whether they're smoking it or they're sucking it out of their little vape pen, it feels very much like an addictive behavior.
25:28Listen, my big concern is young people.
25:30It's the young people that they're not going out and they're not interacting with others.
25:34They're sitting home on the couch playing video games, smoking weed.
25:37And they have been told that somehow that's an alternative or a better alternative.
25:42And that's my concern there.
25:43I don't know all the medical nuance of it.
25:45You do.
25:46But my concern is that this has been billed as some kind of just harmless recreational activity.
25:52And it feels like it's definitely not.
25:54Julie, I wrote an op-ed last year in the Wall Street Journal called,
25:58This is Not Your Parents' Woodstock Weed.
26:00And the idea there, and other people have said this, is that whatever we're calling this,
26:05marijuana, cannabis, whatever we're calling it, it's not 1.5% THC anymore.
26:09It's more like 30%.
26:11And that's why you're getting cannabis-induced psychosis and all these side effects.
26:15I hate to be a buzzkill on this one, but I mean, I did smoke pot when I was younger,
26:20and I find it to be gross, and it also makes you impaired.
26:24I would not trust anyone getting behind the wheel.
26:27I don't know why marijuana was ever legalized.
26:29For medicinal purposes, I'm all for it.
26:32And I know a lot of people, cancer patients, who have relied on it heavily to help
26:35numb the pain of cancer treatments and all these other medical ailments.
26:39But to legalize marijuana, I mean, when you walk out in New York City streets in particular,
26:44all you do is smell pot.
26:46And it's just a legal way of allowing minors to get intoxicated.
26:51I mean, that's what it is, is when you're really stoned, you're intoxicated.
26:55Maybe not by alcohol, but I don't believe that kids and teenagers and 18-year-olds
26:59should have access to pot.
27:00And here, there's vending machines where you can buy pot.
27:03And stores in Times Square, they don't ID you, they don't care, because it's legal.
27:07I think it's irresponsible.
27:09Joe, you have another point of view on this?
27:11Yeah, I mean, you know, here's the deal.
27:12We're such a, this society is meddling in hypocrisy in a way that makes me furious.
27:18I don't smoke weed.
27:19I don't drink beer or alcohol.
27:21But to be in a place where I can sit and watch alcohol commercials on TV and hear someone
27:25preach at me about how bad weed is, no.
27:27Take that on somewhere else.
27:29On the medicinal side, it absolutely works.
27:31It works so well for so many veterans I know.
27:34But just like you said, we didn't legalize marijuana.
27:39We decriminalized the use of marijuana.
27:41So it's unregulated.
27:43We're not looking at it and studying it and saying, at what level of THC does it have the
27:47effect we're looking for?
27:48At what level of THC does it have a negative effect, by and large, that we should try to
27:53take out of our society?
27:54That's the problem.
27:55We've put so much emphasis on keeping it illegal at the federal level that we've neutered our
28:01ability to actually regulate it.
28:04And on that, I just want to, because this really broaches into another topic.
28:08In a society, in an industry in this country, where we have no problem with SSRIs, with Zoloft
28:14or Prozac or Lexapro, you know, I'm not beating up on these medicines.
28:20But for God's sake, I can sit here and watch somebody become a zombie on that stuff.
28:24I can watch somebody going to DTs, coming off of it to the point that I don't think they're
28:27going to make it.
28:28And we've got societies around this world that have used things, psychedelics like Ibogaine,
28:34Ayahuasca, peyote, cytosilin.
28:37I don't know how to say that correctly.
28:39These are things that have helped people find their spiritual health.
28:41These are things, Ibogaine's something that everyone I've ever talked to that's ever done
28:45it said, it changed my life and it was such a painful experience, I hope I never have to
28:48do it again.
28:49And you have to fly to another country to do that.
28:52So I don't want to do anything to undermine some of the medical advancements in going to traditional
28:56medicine.
28:57And I think we're on this precipice, we're teetering on this little thing where, you know, we
29:01have no problem discussing how bad marijuana is, but don't attack alcohol because that's
29:06a part of our culture.
29:07Well, you know what?
29:08People get behind the wheel drinking every day and kill people.
29:10It happens every single day.
29:11And I'd much rather smell weed on the side of the street than I had liquor on someone's
29:15breath trying to talk to me.
29:16So I think we can't be hypocrites about it.
29:18But if we legalize at the federal level the recreational use of marijuana, then we could
29:24regulate it.
29:24And then we can make sure the THC levels are consistent and below a point that it becomes
29:28some of these problems.
29:30You know, your argument just speaks to why President Trump made it Schedule 3 instead
29:34of Schedule 1, because it's going to make it easier to study.
29:38Some people, critics say he should have gone to Schedule 2, which is in between, because
29:42it's not proven medically.
29:43But you're making a really good argument for being able to study it more for medicinal use.
29:47I appreciate that, Doc.
29:49Yes, sir.
29:50Coming up, Operation Metro Surge is over in Minneapolis.
29:54And now, Governor Tim Walz is demanding payment.
29:57We'll explain.
29:58But first, another update on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.
30:02We'll take you live on the ground in Tucson, Arizona, next.
30:05I can buy myself flowers.
30:10Write my name in the sand.
30:14Talk to myself for hours.
30:16Welcome back.
30:17We are back with a Fox News alert.
30:19Investigators in Tucson, Arizona are hunting now for leads that could help locate the whereabouts
30:23of Nancy Guthrie.
30:25Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos zeroing in on one clue in particular.
30:30Let's watch.
30:31It only makes sense that you've got a glove.
30:34This glove may or may not be significant, but it's something that we believe you need to
30:39look at.
30:39Where was this glove found?
30:40About two miles away.
30:41And when was it found?
30:44I think it was just a couple of days ago when this story broke out that the sheriff's not
30:47look.
30:48So no glove was found in the house?
30:50Absolutely not.
30:51Ever.
30:52Or on the property?
30:53Or on the property.
30:54Two miles away.
30:56Law enforcement also searched a home two miles away from Guthrie's home, as they just mentioned
31:01last night.
31:02For more on the search, we go back to Max Corden.
31:05He joins us live on the ground in Tucson.
31:08Max, we're seeing multiple reports that clues have been found.
31:12Searches were conducted two miles from Guthrie's home.
31:16Where else have authorities been searching for evidence?
31:20Yeah, I'd say that really the focus has been on this two-mile radius around Nancy Guthrie's
31:25home.
31:26You know, let's talk about last night.
31:27That went down around 8.30 or so local time.
31:31A very heavy police presence up in a neighborhood, also in the Catalina foothills.
31:35Again, just about two miles away.
31:37That's where the FBI, as well as the Pima County Sheriff's Department, executed a search warrant
31:42there.
31:43Several individuals were detained, but nobody was arrested.
31:47Nobody has been named as a suspect.
31:49There was also a vehicle that was searched, a gray or silver Range Rover.
31:54However, that vehicle was taken away on a flatbed.
31:57So those were two areas where authorities were searching last night.
32:01But, you know, there has been also, you know, a call out for surveillance camera footage from
32:06neighbors.
32:07Anything from the time frame of January 1st all the way through February 2nd, you know,
32:12through when Nancy Guthrie went missing.
32:14You know, there have been thousands of tips that have been submitted as well.
32:18You know, there was the glove that you mentioned earlier that was found about two miles away.
32:22There have been, in fact, multiple gloves that have been found.
32:25But, you know, there has been more emphasis that's been placed on this glove that was found
32:30about two miles away.
32:31There's also DNA evidence that's been found inside Nancy Guthrie's home.
32:35DNA evidence that does not belong to any family members or to Nancy Guthrie herself.
32:40There is the blood droplets that were found just outside of the home.
32:44So numerous pieces of evidence that authorities are currently combing through.
32:47And the Pima County Sheriff's Department telling us today that we should be expecting some sort
32:54of law enforcement activity every single day as they track down these clues.
32:59Max, you know, we're talking about the glove.
33:01There have been different small pieces of evidence, DNA evidence.
33:05I know that the FBI is there and local law enforcement supposedly is directing the investigation.
33:10We've heard rumor and innuendo that they're not getting along or they're not, you know,
33:15agreeing on which direction to go.
33:17Have you seen anything where the FBI wants to follow one piece of evidence where local
33:21law enforcement is looking in another direction?
33:22Do you see any of that or does it seem like they're getting on the same page?
33:27Well, yesterday the Pima County Sheriff's Department put out a press release really trying to put
33:32to bed any rumors that the FBI and the Sheriff's Department weren't getting along.
33:38They said that they work hand in hand on investigations, that they want the help of the FBI.
33:43And, you know, a main friction point that was highlighted was this lab, a lab in Florida,
33:48a private lab, and the discussion about, you know, should the evidence be sent to the FBI's
33:54lab in Quantico?
33:55Now, the rationale from the Pima County Sheriff's Department for sending all of the evidence to
33:59this lab in Florida is that that was initially the lab that they had used, and then that is
34:04where the Guthrie family's DNA has been tested down there.
34:08So that was their rationale.
34:10They figured they wanted to be consistent with where they were sending all this evidence.
34:14Very interesting.
34:15We have the description of the suspect from the surveillance video, and they're saying it's
34:205'9 to 5'10 male with average bill.
34:23Well, that doesn't really narrow it down.
34:25Max, you're in the Tucson area.
34:26I feel like here in New York City, I've seen 10 people, 5'9 to 5'10 with an average bill
34:32that could be that suspect.
34:33Can you speak to that a little bit?
34:35I know they've had an influx of tips, which I guess is great, but, you know, have the law
34:39enforcement or authorities said anything to you about how generic that description is
34:44might cause an influx of tips that maybe aren't super helpful or specific?
34:51Yeah, I mean, I think there's multiple issues here, right?
34:54So we've got thousands of tips that are coming into both the FBI and also the Pima County
34:57Sheriff's Department.
34:59Obviously, this story has been blasted out, you know, to homes nationwide.
35:04Everybody's been glued to their TVs watching this.
35:07And so everybody wants to help if they feel like they have any semblance of a tip.
35:11And then, you know, there's the fact that the suspect was covered up as they approached
35:15that doorbell camera, wearing that balaclava covering their face for the most part.
35:20And then the clothing that they're wearing was relatively nondescript, though there are
35:25some certain signifiers with what the suspect was wearing, right?
35:29So we've got that Ozark Trails backpack, that backpack that was purchased at a Walmart.
35:34So likely law enforcement is looking at area Walmarts, any surveillance footage from those
35:39Walmarts to see if maybe there was somebody who was buying that specific backpack in the
35:44time period in question.
35:46You know, there's the jacket that the suspect was wearing, certain reflective pieces of material
35:51on that jacket.
35:52So there are a lot of things that law enforcement are looking at at this time, but it does make
35:58it very difficult when the suspect is so covered up and has sort of an average build and an average
36:03height.
36:04All right.
36:05Max Gordon, thank you so much.
36:09We're continuing to monitor any developments, any new ones anyway, in the search for Guthrie.
36:14We're going to be bringing you any updates as they come in live.
36:17Also coming up, President Trump is sending another aircraft carrier to the Middle East as
36:22the administration puts more pressure on Iran to make a nuclear deal.
36:33Welcome back.
36:41Tensions between the U.S. and Iran could escalate, continue to escalate.
36:45President Trump has ordered another aircraft carrier to move from the Caribbean to the
36:49Middle East.
36:50The USS Gerald Ford, we've talked about that, will join the USS Abraham Lincoln and other
36:55warships in the region.
36:56As President Trump is warning Iran there could be consequences if no nuclear deal is reached.
37:01How confident are you that our negotiations with Iran will be successful?
37:07I think they'll be successful, and if they're not, it's going to be a bad day for Iran.
37:12Very bad.
37:13Yeah, this comes as Iran is reportedly using protesters' cell phones to track their movements,
37:18while the Wall Street Journal is reporting the Trump administration has smuggled thousands
37:21of Starlink terminals into the country to the protesters.
37:25Now, the president is hinting at possible regime change.
37:30Do you want a regime change in Iran?
37:33Well, it seems like that would be the best thing that could happen.
37:37For 47 years, they've been talking and talking and talking.
37:40In the meantime, we've lost a lot of lives while they talk.
37:43And legs blown off, arms blown off, faces blown off.
37:48It's been going on for a long time.
37:50So, let's see what happens.
37:52Well, Tommy, I can attest.
37:53Of the three options he just named, I think legs are the best.
37:56I'll leave it at that.
37:58Not to make light of a serious situation, but if anybody can, I guess I can.
38:01Yeah.
38:02I don't think most Americans sit around and wreathe their hands for regime change in Iran.
38:09Yeah.
38:09I think that we sat through 20 years of war that regime change that didn't really work out.
38:13But I think President Trump has a different perspective than previous presidents.
38:16I think he would only hit that button, so to speak, if he knew there was somebody there
38:20to take control that we could work with and not have to put in power.
38:24Yeah.
38:24I hope that's the case.
38:25And everything we've seen from this president would give us that indication, which I'm very
38:29happy about.
38:29Right now, I just think the American people do not have the appetite for any more intervention
38:34on the world stage.
38:35At least not now, if there's not a clear, distinct objective with a very short timetable.
38:41Foreign policy year one was very heavy.
38:43I think year two has got to be about here at home.
38:46That's what I'm hopeful for.
38:47Julie, it's almost like Groundhog Day.
38:51Iran is at the 11th hour of a nuclear weapon.
38:54I mean, someone has said at the news desk for your career, you've said that a million times.
38:58I know I've said it a lot of times.
39:01And it's hard for somebody sitting at home to know what that really means.
39:04The president says, hey, we decimated their nuclear program, but now he's trying to work
39:08a deal to make sure that they don't start it up again.
39:10And maybe they're like cockroaches.
39:12You kill one and five comes to his funeral.
39:14That is such a great way to describe Iran and its leaders, cockroaches.
39:18I love that.
39:19I would love to squash them all.
39:21But yeah, I mean, as long as I've been a journalist, I've been covering Iran and them making weapons
39:26of mass destruction.
39:27I mean, between Iran and North Korea, it's like the same day over and over and over again.
39:31It would be nice for us to see a regime change there, much like we saw with Nicolas Maduro
39:37in Venezuela.
39:38Why aren't we doing that in Iran?
39:39I mean, in all honesty, we're talking about thousands and thousands of people who have
39:43been murdered for standing up to this murderous regime.
39:47But yet Maduro was captured.
39:49Why are we not doing that in Iran?
39:51Dr. Siegel, go ahead.
39:52I have actually the statistics to back up what she's just said and what the president is
39:56saber rattling about.
39:58Human rights activists in Iran vetted by Fox News Digital.
40:027,000 fatalities among protesters in the last 48 days, 219 of them were children, 25,000
40:11injuries, and 53,344 arrests.
40:15So it's not mild stuff going on.
40:17They're killing people the way the president is saying.
40:20Tommy, that's tragic.
40:22My interest starts and ends with the Americans that Iran has facilitated the killing of.
40:26I think one thing we can see, because I don't think Benjamin Netanyahu left happy the other
40:30day, because he didn't get the exact outcome he was looking for.
40:33I think the one thing we see is President Trump's going to do what's best for the United States
40:36of America, which may also be what's best for the region and Israel.
40:40He's got to do what's best for the American people.
40:42I love the idea of helping the people of Iran, not at the expense of the American people.
40:48So I think that's where a lot of Americans sit right now, whether it's Ukraine, Iran,
40:52even Venezuela, right?
40:53I think that the appetite for intervention right now is maybe a little on the lighter
40:57side.
40:57Maybe it's on Ozem.
40:58The problem with that is, though, Joey, that the region is at risk.
41:02It isn't just Iran.
41:04We're worried about Israel, worried about the region.
41:05That's why the United States sending their carriers over.
41:07And that's certainly not to belittle or take away the importance of innocent people being
41:12killed by their government.
41:13That does matter.
41:14This may not be a problem we get to solve.
41:15All right, up ahead, Democrats shut down the Department of Homeland Security over their
41:19demands to cripple ICE.
41:21We have Congressman Mike Lawler joining us next to talk about it and some more.
41:26But first, we'll check back in with our team on the ground in Tucson, Arizona, as investigators
41:30continue searching for Nancy Guthrie.
41:33Retired Las Vegas Police Lieutenant Randy Sutton will join us for more updates and analysis
41:38next.
41:39Stick with us.
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