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00:00the obstacles that you guys have faced kind of entering the business are kind of you know
00:18probably similar to obstacles that any young people would be facing trying to get into the
00:22business right now what do you think i mean what encourages you about the industry you work in and
00:29and locally you know what can be done to support people from all avenues looking to get into the
00:37sector like are there things that you see um in your profession that you think are you know kind of
00:45good initiatives or you know what can be done to improve and make kind of you know um availability
00:51better for you know access better for people to get into the business like you know that's obviously
00:58it's a big question but i'm curious what what the situation in germany is compared to you know
01:04other other industries who wants to lean in on that joshan i mean i think in the beginning it's um
01:15very easy but it's again it's money because if you don't have money from your parents or from
01:21your background it's very hard to study and um because you need all your time to put it into
01:28your films also at film school and i saw a lot of people around me like struggling with working
01:35uh two jobs besides their studies to make this study i mean the good thing is in germany is that
01:41studying is um not that expensive but in the end um it's all about the time you have
01:48um to put in your films and i think this is one of the but it's like it's everywhere um if you want
01:56to become a doctor you need your time to study um and so this is the main thing i would say and then
02:04um for me it would be that um people really um when you apply with a film project um they say yes
02:15or no very quickly to you i think that this would help because in the end you work for like one or two
02:22years without knowing if you can make this film work and this grows insecurities um especially in
02:30young people i would say and i think this would be something you can really change in the industry that
02:35you um say yes to the people or to the filmmakers earlier in the process he says there anything you
02:43wanted to add well i think the the whole field is changing so fast and you know i mean now um we
02:51have a lot of different uh channels out there um i mean there's youtube and tiktok and all these
02:57other um channels that are not like cinematographic uh you know media yet you know it's i think it's
03:04become much easier for anybody you know everybody has a has a camera a good camera in their in their
03:10in their in their pocket really so um so i think you know it's definitely diversifying the whole field
03:18of uh audio visual media is diversifying a lot the big question is rather for me is how how does the
03:26whole like cinema cinema world you know how how does it orient itself how does it position itself and
03:33that changing media landscape and um how relevant uh is that art form that we we were taught in in in
03:41at university at film school and that i love you know making film culture the big screen how uh how
03:48relevant will it keep on being and how can it survive and keep on inspiring people and keep on bringing
03:55communities together and all these beautiful things that the that theater and theater theatrical films can
04:01do but um yeah it's something that is really uncertain these days and um so we have to really think
04:08about it and in many different ways i think this question and any other questions the landscape as
04:14you rightly say is changing so rapidly so quickly and all all over the world uh in terms of how people
04:21consume content and um a lot of people are consuming content on youtube and the you know and and on social
04:29media and i know there's a big push as you rightly say to you know what what can tradition what can
04:35traditional cinema do to kind of um galvanize if you will young people back and back into cinemas um
04:43now i'm i'm sure no one if we had the answer to that that then then the gatekeepers and the
04:51distributors and the producers would be doing all of this stuff but i'm curious from your perspective
04:56um and you know your thoughts like what if you were kind of you know the people responsible for
05:03putting films into to cinemas what do you each of you what would you like to see more from the cinema
05:10industry to encourage young people back into the how do you compete with with this behemoth i think in
05:19the end we can't compete with social media as filmmakers and that's not what we want to because in the end
05:26um as isa said the cinema is a room like a physical public space where people actually come together
05:34and i think this will be very crucial within the next decade i'd say um and yeah we really need to
05:43create those spaces um to bring um people together and have like shared narratives together that brings
05:52in the end brings us together even more you you know because um social media tends to be very i mean
05:59i did a film about um social media again with baby star and social media tends to
06:06not bring people together really um but rather divide them and i'm really not sure how we bring the
06:16young again generation back to the cinemas but in the end we really have to create spaces for them
06:23and like really try to get them back and this needs initiative in the end um from the studios probably
06:31and all us filmmakers yeah i wanted to say i really think that maybe going to the cinema could be also
06:38seen as a political act i mean in those times when you speak also about social media and maybe
06:44there it emphasize um individualism and isolation more and more and i have the feeling that going
06:49to the cinema having this communal experience to watch a movie together maybe to laugh together or maybe
06:55just to be um sometimes i'm really um sometimes like irritated with the reactions of some people
07:03to specific scenes and i found it exactly like it's um sometimes it's more interesting to watch the
07:09people watching the movie um so i hope that maybe also the next generation when we speak about it like
07:16this um could be maybe more open to see cinema or going to the cinema more um like maybe it's more
07:24than just entertainment i'd love to talk a little bit or get your thoughts a little bit on something
07:31we've been writing a lot about at deadline across the last 18 months for sure which is ai i feel like
07:36like we can't uh read an article or we kind of can't escape it and when you're reading articles
07:43about the business right now um and it's it's here it's coming the tech is moving very quickly
07:49um i'm i'm curious what your thoughts are on this and how you know it might affect the business have
07:56you have you used it in your field and your line of work for anything and maybe i'll start with you
08:03isa because i know you you wrote you made a documentary about um about ai you know roughly
08:12around the ai so maybe you could tell us a little bit about that project and and what you know what
08:17your thoughts are on on ai in general i made a feature documentary on human uh robot relationships
08:26i came out in 2019 so it was actually quite early i think people back then you were you know this is
08:32like so science fictiony it's like 20 years in the future war and here we are five years later six
08:39years later things are you know have turned into reality um and i'm working on another film on ai right
08:46now um that is more concerned with ai safety and and align the alignment problem and so on so it's
08:53definitely been a big uh super important topic for me in the past couple of years and i cannot really
09:00separate the film ai and film industry discussion from ai and the world discussion because it's so
09:09huge i mean the questions we're confronting are just you know huge and they're not anywhere near to be
09:15solved um so i i mean of course i'm super concerned regarding um ai and creative work or in work in
09:24general what it means to the world you know teamwork and um i think we used to think that ai will do the
09:30mundane task and not the the creative ones it turns out the opposite is the case ai is actually super
09:36good at being creative and it will become even better and um of course there's you know amazing
09:42possibilities to co-create with ai from script writing to animation to editing to you know playing with
09:51archive footage modulating it and so on um and that's and that's wonderful uh but then um ai will um
10:00you know um pass us and it will be become much much better and then if we don't have sufficient
10:05regulation everything will be done by ai because it's cheaper and it's more efficient and so on and um
10:13so the problem with ai is that it develops so much faster than we are able to regulate it because our
10:19you know institutions to regulate are just working much slower and so yeah there's massive problems
10:26ahead of us and and i'm just always thinking of okay you know what happens to our sense of meaning as
10:33humans if you know there's hardly any work for us left to be done you know the ai can just do everything
10:39better than we can and that includes making you know wonderful film films um it's just you know our whole
10:47sense of dignity and of meaning is tied up into into our work and and that doesn't only concern
10:54filmmakers or creative people i think in general it's a it's a huge unsolved mystery and everybody
10:59in the world of ai as well like uh talking about that and wondering nobody gets answers in the end we
11:05also have to see the good good things ai can bring us but as isa said i think this was a great summary of
11:12the first um that we only use it for our advantage in the end and this will be very difficult and but
11:21what scares me the most is uh that like there are no more unique um films and everything is generated for
11:34a particular person so that we don't have the moment of talking about um films um together because
11:42everybody saw different films and um it's not that important if we see a film in theater or at home
11:50and when we can talk about it but if we have like uniquely algorithmically generated content for
11:58each of us it gets very difficult to have topics anymore in the future it's quite scary that's quite
12:07scary um bian and and well bian i will start with you i mean it's not that the the usage of ai if you
12:16are in front of the camera is a very it's very very different and um you i think many people would
12:23have read the story earlier this year of the tilly norwood that kind of broke waves um with from a
12:31company called particle sticks and they've made this actress who is an ai actress who is not real and
12:40they said you know at a conference in zurich they would say they mentioned the lady who founded the
12:45company and invented tilly said you know talent agents were circling her and this created a lot of
12:50furor um what are your thoughts on that what were your reactions if you saw that story and what are
12:57your concerns about ai being used you know in people's likeness and and for your profession observing
13:07myself and but also actors that i admire i always think that i really love actors who have
13:14who have who has a very who have a very strong personality and um in casting it's not only about
13:21doing like the the ability of playing a scene it's also about the interpretation that you bring with
13:26you and i think this is very human and this is i think a good director director also is not interested
13:32in a puppet or like in a in molding uh thing that you can just form and do it like to your character you're
13:39also interested in a person that comes and tell you something and what i really hate about ai that
13:45it always try to tell me the things that i want to hear and i think this is so boring and that's why
13:50i hope i have really this naive hope that people would always stick to the real human actors i hope but
13:59i think it's really um dangerous for uh dubbing jobs and also voiceover because people think that you
14:07can replace this very easily but i don't think so and that's why we need the the law and the
14:14regulations for um yeah the union very important
14:22and so what about you what are your thoughts on this um yeah um kind of what you said uh bayan
14:30i think for me personally as of today um i'm not really interested in the output of ai art because
14:40like it doesn't matter if it's visual arts or or music or paintings or acting because what what i'm
14:47interested in is like the the human part and the human story the background the emotions the connection
14:55between between two people and also talking about i forgot her name but the ai actress you talked about
15:01when i look at pictures of her it's just not a human like there's no soul and i think like as of
15:11today you can see the difference and spot the difference i mean ai will get better and probably
15:17at some point you can't spot it anymore but maybe then there will be you know in music albums they
15:22have like the e sometimes for explicit content so um so maybe we will have an age for human content
15:30and that's something beautiful i think and i don't know what's going to happen yes probably
15:35it's going to be very very good and we're going to face a lot of new challenges but um i think the
15:43human aspect of art will always stay unique hopefully you're great i agree with that we'll we live in very
15:53interesting times um and that's always great for stories and um in the end everything i think diana
16:03you already said that everything comes in waves and i believe in it and i hope that um we are at
16:10tipping points at the moment and that um as answer said people always fall back onto the human um
16:20human parts of uh arts or to the to the more human things and i mean for myself i'm uh very happy to
16:30get into the industry a wonderful note to end this on guys thank you so much for your time today
16:36it's been a wonderful conversation with all of you i wish we had more time but i'm afraid we're out of
16:41time i wish you all the best can't wait to see what you do next and thank you again for your time thank you
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