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00:00That's an unbelievable assumption.
00:02He cannot be that guy.
00:04Now, back to Will and Dibby.
00:06On 95.7 The Game.
00:08925 on the Boxer and Gerson work injury attorney's text line.
00:12I bet you'll have a take on this.
00:15925 goes, you guys speak like they're afraid of Draymond.
00:21They're not going to kill anybody.
00:23No, he's not going to kill anybody.
00:25But, oh, there's a lot of people on planet Earth who absolutely believe that the Warriors tiptoe around Draymond Green.
00:36I don't know if they're afraid of him, quote unquote, but I do know that when you're dealing with somebody who can be, I don't know if volatile is even a fair way to describe it, he can be a lot.
00:49And if he decides to make life difficult on you and for you, he could do that.
00:55And I'm thinking about, like, Boogie Cousins, for example, DeMarcus Cousins.
00:59He's a guy who, you know, was at times a lot.
01:02He didn't always get along with his coaches and he can make life difficult in those situations.
01:07So, Draymond Green, for the majority of his career, has been such a good player, productive, a winner, that you're going to allow him a certain amount of room to maneuver and do things his own way.
01:19And I don't think that's ever gone away.
01:20No, I agree with that.
01:22I also think that this is something that is, it's not unique to the NBA in sports, but I think it's at its highest in the NBA, which is that you, when you have great players, you do kind of do whatever the hell they tell you to do.
01:38I mean, we're like, they don't, they're not afraid of Draymond, but everything for Steph is literally on T-shirts.
01:46Now, it doesn't land the same way because Steph's super nice guy.
01:50He's super nice guy and he's not alpha and he's not, at least outwardly, out in front of microphones, demanding.
01:57And then there's a debate over whether or not Draymond Green deserves that kind of star treatment.
02:04I mean, let's take a look at what's happening with Giannis and the Bucs.
02:10Let's take a look at Dame Lillard.
02:13Let's take a look at Anthony Davis.
02:14My God, do I need to bring up LeBron James.
02:17You're going to tell me that basketball teams don't just sit there with their shoulders slumped when their star tells them to do something and they go, okay.
02:25Okay, if you say so.
02:28Here's an idea.
02:29It happens.
02:29Draft my kid.
02:30Yeah, thank you.
02:31Here's an idea.
02:32Sign my brother.
02:33And while you're at it, sign my other brother too.
02:36Right.
02:37Okay.
02:37And I've, I think there's another brother and I don't think that he's ever actually put on shorts, but sign him too.
02:44We're going to need all that and more.
02:47Right.
02:47And it happens across many sports and many levels.
02:49And I remember Kansas, when they got Danny Manning, Danny Manning's dad was on the coaching staff.
02:56And, you know, you see that in many instances.
02:59Coincidence.
03:00Right.
03:00You know, it's like, oh, you want my son?
03:02You're going to have to take me too.
03:04So this happens a lot more than what you would think.
03:07And so for Draymond, he's been so good and so productive for so long that you've tolerated so many things.
03:13And that's where fans get frustrated because now in year 14, he's not the same player that he was.
03:19And yet it seems like he still gets that same amount of room.
03:23And that is our sort of, again, this is just, it's nothing more than an educated guess.
03:28I want people to, at least from my standpoint, I don't know that this is what's going on.
03:33We'll play this again for you.
03:34When I hear Mike Donleavy do what he did on Saturday with regard to post-deadline, let's talk this out.
03:41And he even uses the phrase, let's walk this back.
03:44The idea that Draymond was available in a trade.
03:48My mind goes to, oh, oh, Draymond was upset.
03:54And it actually helped click a light bulb on because do you remember last week when Draymond had his whole press conference about like,
04:02I might be traded and coach talk to me and have you talked to your wife and all of these things that Draymond said.
04:08And I remember going to you, why?
04:10Why is Draymond, like, why is this all out?
04:13Even Steve Kerr talked to us about it.
04:16Why are they making this so public?
04:18And our guess was, oh, well, because they're kind of greasing the wheels and letting the fan base know this might happen.
04:25And now my mind is like, oh, no, Draymond was out in the public because he felt bad for himself and he was mad.
04:30And he wanted to talk about it and put it out there because he thought that maybe there was a PR battle to go ignite.
04:38And he did it in such a great and unique way where he went the other direction of instead of getting mad, like, you know,
04:45I can't believe they're trying to do this.
04:47And after all I've given, they're going to put me out there as a possible trade.
04:50No, he went the other way and spoke to the emotions and, you know, my wife and I'm lucky that my kids have never had to leave.
04:58And he spoke so, so well about how fortunate he felt to be here for this long.
05:03And a kid from Saginaw, a second round pick, if you would have told me, you know, 13 and a half years, what a great run.
05:09Yes.
05:10Oh, the violin was playing, brother.
05:12But he played it so beautifully.
05:14Because even if he was mad or frustrated or whatever, he came out and showed a certain amount of humanity and the fact that his family has always lived here and how lucky he felt.
05:25He was, it was a brilliant move.
05:27He always does after the fact.
05:28Brilliant.
05:29Draymond Green is not this like live wire human being that he is on the basketball court.
05:34You talk to him privately.
05:36He's very smart.
05:37He's very, very, very smart.
05:40He's very smart and obviously is not afraid to talk and, and tell you exactly where he's coming from.
05:48So, and I don't even know if he was mad or if he's like finger pointing at the organization, but I bet at minimum he was hurt.
05:54How could it not?
05:56You know, Clay Thompson in his last Warriors game went over 10, but I know he was, he was hurt by the fact that the Warriors didn't want to give him a bunch of money.
06:06Yep.
06:07He was hurt.
06:08He's like, but I'm Clay Thompson.
06:10And the Warriors are like, right.
06:13The ball's still got to go in the hoop, dude.
06:15And people get their feelings hurt.
06:17So if that's what's going on, then it explains the way that Mike Dunleavy responded.
06:23Let's let you hear all of it.
06:25Let's start with Draymond.
06:26This is on the Draymond Green show.
06:29Courtesy of Odyssey.
06:32Draymond talking about the conversations he's had with Mike Dunleavy and Steve Kerr.
06:36When you're not winning, everything becomes a possibility.
06:39And so for 13 and a half years, I have not dealt with that.
06:42Then I have my conversation with Steve.
06:44All right, man, this is real, huh?
06:45All right.
06:46Then I have a conversation with Mike.
06:47He texts me.
06:48He said, call me.
06:48It's not urgent.
06:50Not urgent.
06:51Call me when you get a chance.
06:52So I'm like, all right, not urgent.
06:54Means I'm not about to get traded.
06:56And he asked me about a couple of deals.
06:57What do you think of this deal?
06:58What do you think of that deal?
06:59And we talked for quite a while.
07:00And then he's like, and by the way, on Giannis' front, like, obviously we spoke about Giannis.
07:05We talked about what picks we'd send him.
07:07We haven't talked about really the players that would go into the deal.
07:10But obviously, if we were to do a deal with Giannis, you or Jimmy would have to be in the
07:14trade just to make it work.
07:15But what it said to me in that moment was, there's a chance I may get traded for Giannis
07:19because he didn't rule it out.
07:21He didn't say, we're not putting you in the deal.
07:23So I took that as, all right, it'll probably be me.
07:25Future uncertain.
07:27Getting traded to Milwaukee if I'm getting traded to Milwaukee.
07:29Am I standing in Milwaukee?
07:30If I'm not standing in Milwaukee, where am I going?
07:32If I'm only going there for a half a season, is my family coming?
07:35What the hell is going on?
07:37I don't know.
07:37But I also walked away from it like, yo, that's not something I want to keep dealing with.
07:41So what is it that I have to do so that I don't have to keep dealing with that thing?
07:45So he thought it was real.
07:47Right.
07:48And he said basically what Danny Emmerman asked in the question, which is, if it's either
07:51going to be me or Jimmy in the deal, if there's going to be a deal, it's going to
07:55either be Draymond or Jimmy, according to Draymond.
07:57Okay, so the idea of Draymond in a trade.
07:59Here's Don Levy.
08:00I mean, I'd walk that back a little bit.
08:02His name was not in conversations, other than the ones where teams call me and ask about
08:06him, which they do every year.
08:08So nothing's new there.
08:10I mean, the idea that he stayed with the Warriors past the deadline was greatly exaggerated.
08:15It was never a possibility of him not being here, remotely close, to be honest.
08:21And I've conveyed that to him.
08:23I think he knows that.
08:24But when stuff comes up in the media, I think, you know, it feels different for the players.
08:29And I think that's the first time it happened for Draymond.
08:31So he's dealing with it in a certain way.
08:33But the reality is, nothing was close, and nothing was considered, and Draymond was not
08:39being shopped or talked about in deals.
08:42So it's a little bit misleading, and, you know, we're kind of picking up the pieces here.
08:46But I think he's in a great spot, and so are we moving forward.
08:49Okay, so some follow-up.
08:52And in this particular case, it came from Danny Emmerman.
08:54I assume nothing was close in your pursuit of Giannis.
09:00How, what would give you confidence?
09:01Wait, what is that?
09:02Because he would have to be in the deal, or Jimmy.
09:04Okay, well, you're putting words in my mouth.
09:07Okay.
09:07So that's an unbelievable assumption.
09:10So was Jimmy then on the table?
09:12No, no, no.
09:14We're not doing that.
09:14I'm not going on the roster talking about who's in trades and who's not.
09:17We don't do that.
09:19I just think, look, again, nobody died here.
09:22I think Mike was frustrated.
09:25Why?
09:26Only Mike can tell you that.
09:28But it's a misplayed press conference.
09:30There's no question about it.
09:31No, no.
09:32We're not doing that.
09:33But you're the one that led him there, Mike.
09:35Like, you're the one who interrupted him when he said,
09:39I'd assume that Milwaukee didn't get close then.
09:43That's an unbelievable assumption.
09:45You're putting words in my mouth.
09:46Actually, no.
09:48Danny just said what he was assuming.
09:50So he's not putting any words in Mike's mouth.
09:52No, no.
09:52No.
09:52And it is a fact that you, in order to get close with Giannis,
09:58one of those contracts needed to be in.
10:00And Danny didn't say, hey, Mike, tell us which one.
10:03He didn't do that.
10:04He's just like, look, if you're going to walk all of this back,
10:08then I think, and he's sort of asking, like,
10:11that means we can assume that Milwaukee didn't get close.
10:16And Mike didn't like that.
10:17He interrupted him, in fact.
10:19That's right.
10:19In order to point out that that was not the case,
10:22and it led to Mike being pushed into a corner where it's like, my man,
10:27you're lying on some front here,
10:29and I'm not even bothered by the fact that you're lying.
10:32But if you're the one who's lying, don't get mad at other people for being like,
10:36I'm sorry, you've laid out four things, and that puzzle, it doesn't fit.
10:41No, no, no, no.
10:43We're not doing that.
10:44We're not going down the roster, and no, we're not doing that.
10:47Fine, don't do that.
10:48Don't do that.
10:49Then we're going to go back to our assumption that we started this conversation with,
10:55and Mike, please don't interrupt.
10:57Because I'm going to leave with that assumption unless you want to factually tell me where that assumption is wrong.
11:04Well, he's not going to tell you.
11:05Then don't interrupt.
11:07Well, we're not going down the roster.
11:08Then don't interrupt.
11:09Well, then stop putting words in my mouth.
11:10I didn't.
11:11I gave you my assumption.
11:13Well, your assumption is not the right assumption, and you're putting words in my mouth.
11:17And your response is not the right response.
11:19No, no, no, no.
11:20We're not doing that.
11:21Actually, like, again, we're not going down the roster.
11:22We're getting, like, this is sort of like Danny Emmerman and Mike Dunleavy are, like, husband and wife here.
11:28Y'all just got in an argument.
11:29Nobody knows what the hell we're even fighting about.
11:31Oh, what do you know about that, Mr. Oh-So-Much-In-Love-Holding-Hands-Kissy-Kissy?
11:37Get out of here.
11:38Wake me when you actually have a fight with the lovely Christy.
11:40I'll remind you that she would be my...
11:43Anyway, third...
11:45Four was unnecessary.
11:46You're damn right it is.
11:47Anyway, anyway...
11:49Anyhow.
11:50You're in a cycle that has no exit.
11:53You're in the haunted house.
11:55There's no windows and no doors.
11:59No way out.
11:59Yeah, there's no way out.
12:00This is just...
12:01And so Mike sort of, like, to me, he slips and falls into this.
12:06Again, I'm not offended by anything that Mike did here.
12:08I don't care if you are lying to us.
12:10I'm sort of on the assumption a lot of times that you are.
12:14You can't tell us the truth.
12:16You can't just...
12:17And why would you?
12:18Like, you have to take care of your people.
12:20You can't just come out and say, we offered Draymond Kaminga and your pick of a youngster,
12:25four picks and two pick swaps, and Milwaukee said no thank you.
12:28Can you imagine if the Warriors had actually had truth serum like liar, liar, Jim Carrey?
12:34Yep.
12:34If they actually did that with the Jonathan Kaminga situation over the last five years,
12:38how would those press conferences have gone?
12:42Trades are hard when you're trying to trade a guy and there's no demand.
12:46Trades are hard.
12:47Yeah, I mean, man, we've been trying to trade this guy forever, but nobody really wants him
12:51that much.
12:52And so, yeah.
12:52Take it from somebody, I won't say anything more than this, take it from someone who has
12:58been privy to off-the-record conversations about Jonathan with those in decision-making
13:08spots for the Warriors.
13:11Boop!
13:13They're not telling you everything.
13:16That's the way it works.
13:18They're never going to tell you everything.
13:19Thank you, so I'm not bothered by that, but I would tell Mike, just dude to dude, don't
13:26get mad and push a reporter into a spot where your understandable fibs then become the centerpiece
13:34of what's going on.
13:35Because you didn't need to do that.
13:37Right.
13:38You didn't need to walk this back.
13:40Why can't the Warriors just say with their chest?
13:43We have a lot of conversations about a lot of things.
13:46So, sure, names come up.
13:49Doesn't mean somebody's going to get traded.
13:50Doesn't mean we don't love every single person in this building.
13:55But we're doing what we do.
13:56We're running a sports franchise.
13:58That kind of comes with the territory.
14:00Beyond that, I ain't getting into specifics because that's not healthy for our organization.
14:04That's right.
14:05Why can't you do that?
14:06You could.
14:06But I think there's a part of it of the Draymond piece where Draymond speaks after
14:11last Tuesday's game.
14:12And he is, you know, not upset, but he's definitely reflective.
14:16And he's talking about the reality that he may be on the move at Thursday's deadline.
14:21And so, when that happens, I think the organization is thinking, well, we need to rally around Draymond
14:27and make sure that he knows that that wasn't the reality, even though Draymond said in his
14:33clip that Mike called him and said, call me back.
14:36It's not urgent, but give me a call, you know.
14:38And that conversation probably involved what might possibly happen at the deadline.
14:43And you can't be interested in Giannis.
14:46And I think this is Danny Emmerman's point in the question.
14:48Like, you'd have to have one of those guys involved logistically, most likely, even from a roster standpoint.
14:56You can't add Giannis' money and then have other players around him that are making $1 million
15:01and just wouldn't work.
15:03I just don't understand what it was that got under Mike's skin there.
15:06Like, I really don't.
15:08Like, the Warriors franchise as a whole, one of the things that I find characteristic
15:12of people in charge with the Warriors, my God, they really hold their composure in public moments.
15:19And they're transparent as much as they can be.
15:21As much as they can be.
15:23But this was a moment where Mike kind of lost his composure a little bit.
15:26And apparently, Mike would have us believe that this phone call he made to Draymond,
15:31hey, call me back.
15:32It's not urgent.
15:33Hey, Draymond, we just wanted to call to let you know that your name has not come up.
15:39It never will.
15:40We absolutely, unequivocally never envisioned you not being a Warrior.
15:45Just wanted to let you know that people are calling about you because they always do.
15:48I know you're 35 and your plus minus is absolutely through the floor.
15:54And your contract is a little bit inflated.
15:57Somehow, though, you know, the Wizards still want you.
16:01Like, that's not what happened.
16:04It's just not.
16:06Right?
16:06I don't care who you are or what you're trying to tell me.
16:09That ain't what happened.
16:09No, and you can't be interested in Giannis.
16:12And I believe that they actually were.
16:14I mean, we had multiple reporters saying that, you know, they're the favorites and the front
16:17runner.
16:18Whatever they were, they were clearly interested.
16:21Whether or not Giannis was actually available or not is a whole other story.
16:24And I tend to think that this whole Kalshi thing, the fact that he was an investor two
16:30days after the deadline and more than 15 million got spent on that market on Kalshi, which if
16:36you don't know what that is, you can you can look it up.
16:38Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
16:39It's crazy.
16:40And so I don't even know if he ever was really available.
16:43But if you're Mike Dunleavy, it's your job to offer everything not named Steph.
16:49So, yeah, Draymond's a part of that.
16:50So he could have come out and just said, you know, trades are hard.
16:54We know that.
16:55And so, yeah, when we were trying to maybe bring in a big ticket item, we certainly were
17:00offering them a variety of different players, picks and packages.
17:04It feels to me also, and this might be even closer to the truth, it just feels to me like
17:09the Warriors arrived on the backside of the deadline, maybe a little embarrassed.
17:14And I actually would love to say you shouldn't be.
17:17I don't think you should be embarrassed.
17:19I think some people think you should be embarrassed.
17:21I think some people think it's embarrassing that you went after Giannis and they told you
17:26no, they didn't like your package.
17:27I'm like, gosh, when I came out of the trade deadline, I kind of came away with the fact
17:31that the Bucks didn't want any package.
17:33They didn't want to trade Giannis.
17:35Right.
17:35I don't even know if Giannis wanted to be traded.
17:38All the reports say that he did.
17:40And then he's tweeting an hour after the deadline.
17:42Oh, legends don't chase.
17:44Hey, y'all come to me like what?
17:47None of this added up.
17:49So, like, to me, it would have been embarrassing if the Warriors didn't try.
17:53Like, if you're going to move your stuff around for three years to be ready for this, call.
18:00Right.
18:00Call.
18:00But if they say, actually, we're not super interested because we don't really want to
18:05trade Giannis, I don't think that's embarrassing.
18:07No.
18:07Okay, move on.
18:09You turn it into Kristaps Porzingis.
18:11People will act like now that's the final move.
18:14It's not.
18:15It might be.
18:16If he's good.
18:17If he's healthy.
18:18But it might also expire and turn into something else.
18:20Like, I don't know.
18:21They can sign and trade.
18:22They can sign and keep.
18:24Right.
18:24You know, there's a number of different ways that they can still proceed.
18:27But it felt like he was trying to save face.
18:30Whether it was Draymond was hurt.
18:32Whether the perception was is that the Warriors tried to play at the big boy table, but they
18:37really shouldn't have had a seat.
18:39I don't, like, I don't really even feel any of those things.
18:42But it felt like maybe they felt some of those things.
18:44At least it felt that way with the way Mike was responding.
18:47Yeah, and the way he, like, talked about the media.
18:50You know, the media seemed to maybe blow up the whole Giannis thing more than the team
18:55was interested.
18:56That's kind of what I was hearing him say.
18:57Like, it's the media who creates a lot of this.
19:01And, you know, social media is certainly a part of it where Giannis says that he wants
19:05to be traded.
19:06And so the Warriors have always been interested in Giannis.
19:09And so, therefore, you connect the dots and you expect that the Warriors are going
19:13to be all in on Giannis.
19:15And I think that they were.
19:16And what I said to you all week was, if he gets traded somewhere else, then I'd be
19:21mad.
19:21Agreed.
19:21But he didn't get traded anywhere.
19:23So you have no egg on your face.
19:25I agree completely.
19:27And by the way, the media, what a fun catch-all that is in 2026.
19:31So fun and easy to blame them for everything.
19:35And people will go, yeah.
19:36And by the way, like, we'll sit here and to a degree, I get it and agree.
19:41Like, there's a lot of shady stuff that goes on in all corners of everywhere these days.
19:48The media, on many levels, this is mostly politics, but the media does have a lot of
19:53ulterior motives.
19:55However, am I supposed to believe that, check me if I forget anybody, Brian Windhorst, Shams
20:06Sharania, Sam Amick, Mark Spears, Slates, Fredell, Ramona, who am I forgetting?
20:19I think you got it covered for the most part.
20:22They're all just making the same thing up.
20:25They're all wrong.
20:27These are professionals for multi-decades in this business.
20:32All of them just made crap up for clicks.
20:37All of them make very wonderful salaries.
20:40Some of them live in wonderful homes, have beautiful families.
20:43Guys, they are not sitting there going, I don't know where dinner's coming from.
20:49They made, they're all wrong.
20:51They just made this up.
20:53They got together, Mark, and decided to all, at different times, post the same crock of
20:59Casey, Schmidt.
21:01It was all, they're all in cahoots, because they all need their clicks, and they all need
21:06to get paid.
21:06I like that word, cahoots.
21:08They're in cahoots.
21:08That's a fun word.
21:11Yep.
21:12In cahoots.
21:12Try to use it as much as I can.
21:14What are we talking about?
21:15They all got together and had a little dinner, and they all staged their plan.
21:20Boy.
21:20Boy, they're good at what they do.
21:22Yeah.
21:22They're pretty good at what they do.
21:23Hey, I have an idea.
21:24Let's say that the Warriors are going to trade Draymond Green.
21:28Yeah.
21:29Cahoots.
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