00:00Malcolm Butler, it's been how many years since Super Bowl 52?
00:05That would have been the 2018 January, February.
00:09Okay, so it's been eight long years.
00:11You've been asking the question.
00:12Why?
00:13Why didn't he play?
00:14Malcolm, in his own words, on Radio Row, our Radio Row coverage out in San Francisco.
00:19Before we play this, can we just quickly say this?
00:21No matter how bad you think Malcolm Butler was playing,
00:26the Patriots couldn't stop a nosebleed.
00:28But, Batamosi was getting battered up and down the field.
00:31Nick Foles looked like Joe Montana.
00:34You had someone on your sideline that knew a big player, too, in the Super Bowl.
00:38I don't know.
00:39He might have had one.
00:40And you never put him in the game.
00:44It was fourth and two.
00:45You need to tackle Ertz.
00:46You need to get one stop.
00:48And you win back-to-back championships.
00:50On top of that, you dressed him, waste the roster spot for a guy who played one snap.
00:54For a coach who said the roster is absolutely paramount,
00:58that everybody has a role.
00:59What was Malcolm Butler's job that day?
01:01Do your job.
01:02What did it stand for?
01:03To be embarrassed.
01:04Stay there on the sideline and be embarrassed.
01:05Nothing to do with the team.
01:06It was a self-inflicted loss.
01:08He cried during the anthem.
01:09You were asking who was going to cry during the anthem.
01:11He did.
01:11I know.
01:12So, that brings tears.
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01:21Here is that exchange with Greg.
01:22I thought the book was coming out on this or something.
01:25Oh, yeah.
01:25I'm still living, man.
01:26I'm still cooking it.
01:27Okay.
01:27But you got to give us some – you have to give us some kind of an indication.
01:31Like a category.
01:33Would that be fair?
01:34Like, categorically, you know, decision was based on football.
01:41Was the decision based on football?
01:43I think so.
01:44You do.
01:45A hundred percent.
01:45Not based on –
01:47All the rumors.
01:48All the – so the rumors are not true.
01:50It depends on what you heard or –
01:51Well, you know the big rumors.
01:54Well, what's the rumors?
01:55I mean, I can –
01:57You're a good – you're a good-looking fella.
02:02I appreciate it.
02:03Probably flirtatious at times.
02:06With who?
02:08I don't know.
02:09With anybody that was married.
02:11Oh, no.
02:11Come on now.
02:12Come on now.
02:12Come on now.
02:13Come on now.
02:14Come on now.
02:15Anybody that was married to anybody who was –
02:17I don't know what work you got right there.
02:19And you –
02:19Well, just tell me that that's not –
02:21That's not it.
02:23That's not it.
02:24That's not it.
02:24That is not it.
02:25A hundred percent.
02:26A hundred percent not it.
02:28Yes, sir.
02:28And it wasn't you out having a great time and enjoying yourself and back late or anything like that.
02:34Over a ring.
02:35Right.
02:35I got you.
02:37Over a ring that can change people's lives.
02:39Yeah.
02:40So have you ever discussed it with Bill?
02:42Yeah, we talked about it.
02:43Okay.
02:44That's what grown men do.
02:45That's what –
02:45Yeah, and then you came back.
02:47Is that why you were willing to come back afterwards?
02:50I just know he gave me an opportunity.
02:51We talked about it and, like, man ain't going to be man.
02:56Men going to be men.
02:57So 100% football after saying I think so for football reasons.
03:02And 100% not it.
03:04Anything else?
03:05Courtney, do you believe him?
03:06Hey, you got to take his word, right?
03:10But I mean –
03:12Come on.
03:12I called Greg after and I said I've never been more confident that those rumors are true.
03:16Yes, same.
03:18Well, Greg was nervous.
03:19I was nervous.
03:20Did a pretty good job there.
03:21Maybe the book will come out someday when enough people have died and the – you know, that's safe to do.
03:27He said he would put Greg in the book.
03:29So maybe this exchange will be in the book.
03:31So I'm just curious about this because people – it's not so much the Malcolm Butler part.
03:36It's defending the indefensible.
03:39And that would be a good word for that team, that Super Bowl.
03:42Indefensible.
03:42They had no defense.
03:43Who dat main says, obviously, Malcolm, no matter what great player he is and what great guy he is, did something so egregious that Bill had to bench him.
03:53Okay.
03:53Work with me.
03:55So then why is he on the sideline doing nothing?
03:58Why would you bench him during the game negating someone that could actually get on the field and help you in the game?
04:04It goes against everything Belichick did.
04:06He played every snap the week before against the Jaguars.
04:10Every single defensive snap.
04:11And then two weeks later, you are up.
04:16You have thrown for 500 yards.
04:18You need one stop of Nick Foles.
04:21And he never gets back on the field.
04:26If we're trying to prove a point, then prove it.
04:28What was the point?
04:29Who got proven?
04:30The guy that you were proving it to still says he doesn't understand it.
04:32Well, and Malcolm Butler, I think this whole week, whether he was talking to our guys or other people on Radio Row, said, like, he doesn't agree with it.
04:39You know, like, to bench him when you're going for another ring was a bad call.
04:45And I think we can all agree on that.
04:47Like, I don't care what it was.
04:49It's the Super Bowl.
04:50I don't care what Malcolm Butler did, whether it was football related or not.
04:54Like, Bill Belichick making that decision, it ruined the end for them.
04:59And that year, that moment, I mean, I had seen it for a while, but that's where you can no longer say, I'm doing what's in the best interest of the team.
05:05Correct.
05:06In that moment, you did not.
05:08Because I don't know for a fact what happened.
05:11Right.
05:11But I know for a fact that your answer to what happened impeded your team's ability to win.
05:16But Malcolm said he and Bill talked like men.
05:19And a 7-8-1 texter says they welcomed him back.
05:21Right.
05:22He got a half a million bucks.
05:23Boom.
05:24He probably went back because Bill said, I screwed up.
05:27Like, yeah, they talked like men.
05:29We don't know what was said during that conversation.
05:31And I let the Boston sports fan get over it.
05:34Who would – we don't get over anything.
05:36People still boo Clemens.
05:37Like, why should we get over it?
05:40Also from Radio Row, Ryan Leaf.
05:42And Ryan Leaf, I know, Curtis, you've talked about him before.
05:45He's somebody that kind of hits home for you as somebody who's battled addiction and talks about – I don't know if he's a mentor.
05:51Or he – he's on the circuit, you know.
05:53Oh, I definitely look up to Ryan Leaf.
05:55So he had obviously a horrible start.
05:57Was labeled a bust.
05:58He goes into great detail about that during the interview.
06:00Go back and listen to the Odyssey app, A-U-D-A-C-Y.
06:02In particular, though, he got into this exchange because the day before – right after they had interviewed Dr. David Chow, the pro football doc on social media,
06:10Leaf got into an argument, an altercation, confronted the doctor on Radio Row.
06:15And so they talked to – they talked to Ryan Leaf about that.
06:21Now, listen, we had that quack Dr. Chow on.
06:24You had him on?
06:25Yeah.
06:25Yeah, he is a quack, isn't he?
06:26What happened?
06:27Well, listen, this goes way back, right?
06:29Yeah.
06:30Like –
06:30There's a history there.
06:31There's a history there.
06:32And it's all about ethics for me.
06:35Like, he – Junior played for New England.
06:38Junior was my teammate for three years.
06:40Those two apparently were really close, but he ended up being his drinking buddy.
06:44And then he was still prescribing him pain pills and Ambien.
06:47You're talking about Junior Seau.
06:48Yeah, and Doc.
06:49And he was prescribing him pain pills and Ambien even after that first suicide attempt.
06:54And I think he played a role in that.
06:56He enabled the behavior, and he's just never taken any accountability for it.
07:00Yeah.
07:00And so I have a real problem with that.
07:02I work with a lot of former NFL players, guys that are going through real struggles,
07:06struggles that I went through, and I hate to see doctors taking advantage of that.
07:10He feels more like he was a groupie in the situation than anything else.
07:15And he just – why couldn't he just be his friend?
07:17Why was he still writing prescriptions to him that ultimately –
07:20when you're going through suicidal and depression things, you don't take Ambien.
07:23You don't take painkillers, right?
07:25That's stuff that takes you down the hole.
07:26It's inappropriate.
07:27And I've had a problem with him for a long time, and I've told him that,
07:30and people have heard me from it.
07:32But this was the first time I felt confident enough that I had enough information
07:35that I could, you know, talk to him or not really talk to him, like confront him.
07:40My wife and I all week long knew we were probably going to run into him.
07:43So we practiced it at home when I saw him.
07:46Who played who?
07:47Great line from Greg right here.
07:47I played myself.
07:49She played Dr. Chow.
07:50Okay.
07:51All right.
07:51Okay.
07:52All right.
07:52And I was going to take the high road, and I was going to talk, you know,
07:56a mild manner, and for whatever reason, the first person I saw on Radio Row yesterday
08:00was him.
08:01This was a test, and I failed it miserably.
08:06Worth hearing the end of that whole exchange, but really good stuff.
08:09Can I take a little credit for booking Ryan Leaf and Joe Milton?
08:12But Wiggy was the star of the week, is the star of the week.
08:15Twitch chat is right.
08:16I've got to find a way to give Wiggy some kind of a bonus.
08:18I mean, what can I do for Wiggy?
08:19I mean, maybe not financially, but something, you know, just.
08:23Even at the start of the Brian Hoyer interview, he's still out schmoozing people,
08:26trying to get people on while they're interviewing out here.
08:28He's been unbelievable.
08:29And honestly, I've gotten, like, reached out to by other, like, radio people,
08:32just like, this guy, Wiggy, is unreal, what he's doing out here.
08:35Like, working before, after.
08:37Yep.
08:38So, great job, Wiggy.
08:39Unbelievable.
08:40He's great.
08:41Fantastic.
08:41The best.
08:42And back today with who, Courtney?
08:44We are hoping.
08:45I mean, is it confirmed?
08:47You're the boss.
08:47He agreed to come on, is what we were told.
08:49Mac Jones.
08:50Mac 10.
08:51He has agreed to come on in the past and didn't show.
08:54Yeah, that's true.
08:55Or actually, he showed.
08:56He showed.
08:57I don't know if he agreed to come on before.
08:59We were told that we would probably get him.
09:01Oh, at the.
09:03Saving by shaving.
09:04I guarantee you, we don't go there.
09:06He was running late.
09:07You said.
09:08What are you doing?
09:09I mean, what are you doing?
09:10I mean, that's true.
09:10I mean, what can we do here?
09:12I mean, what are you doing?
09:13It's just so me.
09:13I mean, what are you doing?
09:14We had him with Liz.
09:15I think, I mean, the got me on a hold.
09:16I mean, the I feel.
09:16I can't remember that.
09:16I mean, the accent is a character.
09:17I mean, it's a character.
09:17Okay, good one next step.
09:18I mean, only better.
09:20We're going to go there.
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