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00:00Hey everybody and welcome to our Black Women's Town Hall. Today we're going to have an in-depth
00:09and important discussion about the issues that are most important to us as Black women,
00:14but sometimes don't get the attention and in-depth look that they deserve. So joining me today is
00:21attorney, civil rights advocate, and the founder of Hashtag Say Her Name, Ms. Kimberly Crenshaw.
00:27Hi, great to be here. Hi, thank you for joining. Also comedian, actress, and advocate, Ida Rodriguez.
00:36Hi. And senior vice president of sales at Coca-Cola, as well as the chairwoman of the board of directors
00:44of GLAAD, Ms. Pamela Stewart. Hi everyone, thank you for having us. Excellent, thank you all ladies,
00:51this is going to be so important and so rich. So we're going to jump right in. Lots of conversation
00:55these days about equity, right? And knowing equity as different from equality. When it comes to equity
01:02in particular, the equity of Black women, let's start with pay equity. Nothing's more important
01:07than the bad, right? Talk about how pay equity, financial equity affects Black women in ways that
01:14doesn't really show up in the same way for our white counterparts. I'll start with you, Ida.
01:20Well, you know, I work in comedy. I think women of color are, we are the least paid as well as in
01:29many other fields. And we accomplish so much in so many ways. I mean, I think everything boils down
01:36into, in this country to economics. I mean, slavery was a 400 year industry that generated revenue and
01:44wealth that people are enjoying today because they got free labor. So when we talk about, you know,
01:50the disparities in wages, when it comes to people of color, specifically women, it is just another
01:56tool of oppression. And it's very important to have these conversations because as we've seen,
02:02what America responds to is economic violence. And we have to have the power in our dollars to be
02:07able to participate in it. Indeed. Indeed. Kimberly, your thoughts on Black women and pay equity?
02:13Yeah. You know, so it is absolutely clear that Black women make less than white women. They also make
02:20less than Black men. The problem is that because most pay equity frameworks only compare women to men
02:29or Black people to white people, the way in which Black people make less than both of their male and
02:36female counterparts just isn't captured. So the real challenge at this point is being able to
02:42disaggregate the data by that, you know, looking at where Black women fall on the pay equity scale
02:48and not allow that to be absorbed within, you know, women make 62 cents on men's dollar. Well,
02:55if you actually look at Black women, it's a lot more like 58 cents. So we've got to be able to
03:01explore where Black women are located specifically with respect to other white women and with respect
03:08to other Black people as well. Absolutely. Pamela? I think it's real. If you think about it in
03:14corporate America in particular, just to make it in simple terms, it will take Black women 66 years to
03:21make what their white male counterparts will make in that in 40 years. And so if you think about that,
03:27the starkness of the disparity, it continues. And so when companies and CEOs always have a roundtable
03:35about what can I do first, what can I do in order to close the divide of the disparity between Black
03:42women and others, the other communities that are represented in the company, start with compensation
03:47and start with a line of gender and then dig into that gender and go into the many different
03:54makeups, most especially Black women who are at a greater disadvantage. And so that's the first
04:00place to start because that economic wealth can change communities. Indeed. The economics affect
04:06all the other sectors, right? The political, the healthcare and everything else we're going to talk
04:10to. So speaking of healthcare, go ahead. Because I am, I identify Black and I'm a Latin woman and Latin
04:17women make less money than anybody. And I think it's very important for, specifically, I heard these
04:23conversations with Latin women comparing themselves to the money that Black women make, but we should
04:29all be looking at the metric of white men who are making money, more money than everybody else
04:35and looking up instead of looking at each other and trying to say, well, Black women make more money
04:40than Latin women. Well, the reality of it is, is that we're all oppressed and it doesn't matter where
04:45we're all beneath and we need to look up at the oppressor instead of each other because that causes more
04:51division. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And as you point out yourself, you're Black and Latinx. And
04:59sometimes that argument assumes that we're not talking sometimes about the same people. That's
05:04number one. And the big picture is the wealth gap, right? So even when people make close to the same
05:12amount, the wealth gap is the thing that's the biggest gap. The wealth gap between Black women
05:20and Latinas with respect to white women, the median wealth that Black and Latina women have is $100.
05:31That means that up to half of Black and brown women are worth less than $100. Wealth is what determines
05:40where you live, what kind of education you can afford for your kids, what kind of health care you can
05:47afford for yourself, for your parents, for your children. So wealth is the most significant
05:53indicator of well-being. And women of color, Black and brown women have almost zero amount of wealth.
06:01That is where we really need to be spending a lot of our energy for agenda setting, for politics,
06:06and we just don't talk about it nearly enough.
06:09That is so important. Yeah, that's so important, Kimberly, because people often equate income with
06:16wealth. Very, very different things and impact our communities very differently. I do want to say on
06:22this health care issue, and I will start with you, Pam, and take it around the table here. When we talk
06:26about health care inequities for Black women, coronavirus, very sadly, I think shown a big, bright
06:32spotlight to everybody about just how disproportionate health care access, not just affordable health care,
06:39but sustainable health care, reliable health care is, particularly for Black women. And even before
06:45coronavirus, right, we were having a conversation and seeing all the examples of Black women and the
06:51morbid rates of what's going on when we give birth and what's going on with our health wives. I mean,
06:56it's a full-on crisis, ladies. And so my question is, how do we get our physicians to A, believe us
07:03when we talk to them about our bodies and whether or not we're in pain and whatnot like that? And in
07:07general, how do we show up to advocate for ourselves when it comes to health care parity and equity as
07:14Black women? Starting with you, Pam. I think it comes first to our vote, because I think that is,
07:19you think about, it's coronavirus that we're talking about in the pandemic, but you think about
07:23diabetes, heart disease, cervical cancer, breast cancer, all of us disproportionately
07:31ail the nose illnesses far more than any other population. And so that agenda of affordable,
07:40sustainable health care has to get on the agenda of the branch of politics that represents our,
07:48it has to. I think that's, that's the most critical part, because if we don't talk about it,
07:54if we don't talk about it because we are predominantly held by these illnesses,
07:58then it doesn't get on the agenda. And that is the power, that's the beginning stage power for
08:04the Black female vote, is that topic in general, is health care and health care affordability.
08:09Indeed. Ada? I'll say that again. Ida. Yeah, Ida, go ahead.
08:17So I think about voting. I think about education. I think about dollars. So now when we talk about
08:23this stuff, like, first of all, we have to think about all of the things, systemic things that have
08:28been implemented in order to affect our health, right? With the sterilization of Black women in
08:34Puerto Rico, they sterilized Puerto Rican women, Native American women have been sterilized.
08:39So many things that we now see the effects of. So many of our grandmothers had hysterectomies
08:44because they were trying to control us from populating because they're afraid that we're
08:48going to do to them what they've done to us. But when you sit down and think about all of the
08:52things that they've implemented systemically to affect our health, and now how the system of health
08:58is not accommodating to us, I do believe in voting. I think in local government, if people,
09:04a lot of people say voting doesn't matter, then why did that happen in Kentucky yesterday where
09:08they were locking Black and brown voters out and only had one polling place? Like, we also have to
09:15stop funding our own oppression. We really do invest dollars in people who invest in the worst things
09:21that happen to us. And I think it's important for us to do the things that that gentleman did when he
09:26paid off the student loans of that graduating class of Black children that were going out to in order
09:32to create some sort of equity. We have to encourage our kids to go into medical fields and in tech
09:38fields, our young Black women, because we need our own doctors. We're going to be going into hospitals
09:44and they don't believe that something's wrong with us. That's great. Kimberly? Yeah, I totally agree
09:51with everything. And I especially appreciate the mentioning of sterilization of Black and brown
09:58women. One of the challenges in this entire conversation is to remind people that Black women,
10:07Brown women have long experienced discrimination in health care that hasn't been part of the general
10:14agenda around anti-racism, nor has it been part of the agenda around reproductive rights. So sterilization
10:21is such an important point. It was so common in the South that there was a name for it. It was called
10:27a Mississippi appendectomy. And that's something that Fannie Lou Hamer experienced. Now think about
10:34what our conversation would be like if we were able to recognize how one of the leading civil rights
10:42activists of our generation, Fannie Lou Hamer, was not only struggling against vote suppression and vote
10:48denial, but also struggling against her reproductive rights. And if reproductive rights were as central
10:55to the agenda of race reform, of anti-discrimination as everything else, we wouldn't have to be fighting
11:02as hard as we're fighting now for recognition that the fact that we die more than any other women
11:09in the United States and most of the developed world from childbirth. The fact that it's not
11:15simply a matter of do we have access to health care. I mean, the fact that Serena Williams almost died
11:20because the doctors didn't believe what she had to say. This is Serena Williams and they're not listening
11:26to her. So if they're not listening to Serena Williams, you know that they're not listening to the rest of us.
11:31So the challenge really is to, first of all, for recognition, to know and see all the ways that Black women
11:37experience discrimination and one of those is in health care. And second, to put those issues
11:42squarely on the agenda so we have something to really fight about. If you can't see the problem,
11:48you can't fight about the problem. And so our challenge is to do both of those things.
11:54Agreed across the board, ladies. And I think so sadly, I'm a proud daughter of the South, but oftentimes
11:59we can think of these issues as just historical, right? These sterilization issues that happened maybe
12:05some years back, but it's really still happening. Quite frankly, I know this because my very best
12:10friend who's in her early thirties was having some fibroid issues. And the first thing the physicians
12:16want to go to is a full-on hysterectomy for a woman that's still in her childbearing years. So I think
12:21that we still see this play out very much in today's society. And the conditions, I mean, just adding to
12:28what you're saying, there's the direct sterilization, but there's removing the conditions for Black women
12:34to actually choose to become parents, trying to coerce that choice out of us. And that has to be part
12:41of the agenda as well. Sorry. No, please bring it. Because the census did say that in 2044, the majority
12:50of us are going to be Black and Brown and look like the people here. So I think that agenda is going to ramp
12:56up even more. And that's why you see so much fear from white supremacists. These people really think
13:03that we're going to take over. And I say it in jest because I'm a comedian, but I really do think
13:08they think we're going to do to them what they've done to us. And that's why they're losing their
13:12minds right now and the lynchings and the things that you, and it's because they're afraid of a Black
13:16and Brown America. But the truth is, is that the world is Black and Brown. And I don't know what TV
13:22they've been watching or what they've been looking at it, but we've been here. We started this party
13:27and we're not going anywhere. Look how many people they tried to do to get rid of us. And we still here.
13:32Amen to that. Kimberly, I want to talk so much about what you are doing and the powerful work
13:38you're doing with hashtag say her name. What we know is beyond just these individual kind of
13:42political issues, Black women are just simply disregarded in general in this country. And sometimes
13:47even by our own communities. I hate to say it, but it's true. So when you think about what the
13:53political goals can be of a hashtag say her name, where Black women are valued, when we are sexually
13:59assaulted or abused, our lives matter, there's an effort to protect us and show up for one another
14:05as a community and broader than that. What would you like to see from politicians or local officials
14:10by way of making sure that Black women are valued and protected?
14:13Yeah. Well, thank you for that question. I mean, the first thing is really low hanging fruit.
14:19When we started say her name, the simple demand was say her name. That was, that was it, man. We were
14:26going to protest around Eric Garner and Mike Brown, the protest against anti-Black police violence. And,
14:35you know, we were marching with other people. This was back in 2014, right after Mike Brown was killed.
14:41And we had a poster with the names of Michelle Cousseau and other Black women who were killed
14:46by the police. And the simple demand was when we, when we march for justice for our brothers,
14:52let's march for justice for all our siblings, because it's not just the men who are being killed. So we
14:58were saying, say her name. And the response from some people was, we didn't even know
15:03that anyone other than Black men got killed by the police. Well, why don't you know this? Basically,
15:08because people don't tell those stories. People don't say their names. And the second part is that
15:12for some people, there was a sense that this is a Black men's issue. And you're being interlopers.
15:18You're, you're, you're interfering with the frame around what's happening to Black men. And for those,
15:24we wanted to say the only reason that's the frame is that we're not used to talking about the many ways
15:30that Black women have been victimized by state sponsored violence. It includes being shot while Black.
15:36It includes being, having a mental disability while Black. It includes 911 being called because
15:41you're having a crisis and the police come and they see a Black woman out of control. And the
15:46only thing they feel that they can do with that Black woman is to shoot her through the heart,
15:50which is what happened to Michelle Cusseau. So the low hanging fruit is just know this,
15:55know this people, know this people in our community. Because if you know the name,
16:02then you will begin to ask about the story. And if you ask about the story,
16:06you'll understand all the ways that our lives are at risk. It's not just the few stories that you
16:12think you know. That's when you can have a fuller agenda. That's when you can say things like,
16:16the police shouldn't be called for 911 mental health calls. The police shouldn't be tasked to
16:22serve a warrant on a traffic violation, going to someone's house and busting in. The police shouldn't
16:27be able to come into your house in the dead of night on a no-knock warrant as though they were
16:33robbers in the night. So if we see all these ways that our sisters get killed, we'll have a fuller
16:39agenda. And with a fuller agenda, we'll have a more, we'll have a clearer sense of what the prize
16:46really is. It's a world in which none of our lives are subject to summary violence on behalf of the police.
16:52Indeed. I mean, as Baldwin said, you know, nothing not acknowledged can be changed. If we don't
16:59acknowledge it, if we don't speak it, if we don't articulate it, we stand no chance of changing it.
17:04Ida, were you about to chime in there? Yeah, you know, I want to say because I do stand in
17:08solidarity with what's happening to Black women in this country and being Puerto Rican and taking up
17:15this space, I would be remiss if I didn't say there's a Black Lives Matter movement in Puerto Rico
17:20because there are Black people in Puerto Rico. But I want to just be very careful to make mention of
17:26the fact that the Black people in Puerto Rico are making it very known that they're standing
17:31in solidarity with the Black people in America for what is happening to Black people in America,
17:37because a lot of us who are Latinos are enjoying the fruits of the labor of the civil rights movement
17:44and all of the work and labor that Black people in America put in for us. So I just want to make sure
17:50that I always respect that. And when I'm in these spaces that I'm very clear about that and about
17:56Breonna Taylor and Tatiana and Sandra Bland and the many other women who have been brutalized by
18:03the state that we, you know, we have to say their names and we can't, none of us are going to be free until
18:09all of us are free. So even when Latin people don't think that is their problem, we next.
18:15We, I mean, it's happening to us. A Puerto Rican woman was just murdered by the cops in her sleep
18:20in New York. I talked to Ben Crump about that yesterday. No representation, same thing. You don't
18:25hear about Latin people being killed by the cops because the media knows if they start saying everybody,
18:30they know we're going to join forces and flip the table over. But let's, but I just want to make sure
18:36that people in America know that when, when you see me just, I have a black and a black daughter
18:43and son and they're Puerto Rican and Dominican, but they're black first. Their father is African
18:47American. They got slaves on both sides of the tree for their families. And so their family trees. So
18:54when we, when we stand in solidarity as Latin people, we have to really take note about the crisis in
18:59America with regard to black people in America. And we have to stop being afraid to say black. I'm
19:05speaking to my people because we are phrased black people and the black is not a bad word,
19:10no matter how much they tell us it is. No, it's a beautiful word. It's an inclusionary
19:15word. It's my favorite word. I actually don't like to be called African-American for that very
19:19reason. And it should be capitalized. I'll say that too. And it has, it started, it started that.
19:25Cap our name, cap our name. And they started that just this week, right? The style guy is saying,
19:32well, they finally agreed to it. A lot of us have been advocating for it. My first article was in
19:371987 and I almost didn't get it published because we had a fight about whether we should capitalize
19:45black. And I couldn't understand why every other group got capitalized, but we had that little B
19:50beside it. So finally people are starting to recognize what that means not to be seen as a
19:56proper noun. Absolutely. I know that's right. Finally, finally. Well, you really started us
20:00off here, Ida, with saying some very powerful sisters' names as we do say their names. I'll invite
20:07you as well, Kimberly, and as well as you, Pam, to say some names that you feel we need to really
20:14honor and take homage of in this moment. Well, I'll start with some of the names of the black women who
20:21really are behind the Say Her Name movement. I mentioned Michelle Cusseau, India Kager,
20:29Corinne Gaines, Kayla Moore. These are all black women who've lost their lives and they lost their
20:37lives around the time that Mike Brown and Eric Garner lost their lives and people don't really know it.
20:43And it's not the case that there isn't even any video. If you look up Natasha McKenna, you'll see this
20:49is a black woman who was killed, nude, being extracted from a cell, chained to a chair and
20:56hooded and tasered four times by six white police officers. So it's out there. We just have to open
21:04our eyes and see it. We have to say her name. We have to support the mothers of saying her name,
21:10you know, find that information. I'll just say African American Policy Forum has this stuff on our
21:16website. So if you want to know how to say her name, go to aapf.org and we'll show you the names
21:21to say. No excuse not to know. Pamela, is there a name you'd like to say? You know, as I sit here,
21:29I look at amplifying the people who can change what we're talking about, right? So there are people right
21:36now in politics who need our support and all of these elections so that we can get vindicated for
21:44the ill deaths of what we just talked about, all of the wonderful people who got killed. And those
21:50people are the people that you're seeing now, Stacey Abrams on voter suppression, Kamala Harris,
21:56who is a potential front runner, if you will, on the VPC. If you think about Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms,
22:05some of these, we need them to come into the place so that we don't have to keep scrolling down the names
22:11of the lives of women who are here and who need to be here because of the unjust brutality of the
22:18police but also the injustices that come after those deaths. So if there's any power we have as
22:24Black women, it's making sure that those people who are in power can make sure that we don't have
22:30another scrolled list of names to say later. Pamela, I'm going to come right back to that point because
22:35the Black women who are standing in the front lines of leadership of this country and of major cities
22:42across our country right now are going to be imperative to this work. But first, I just have
22:46one name I would like to say, and that is that sweet little, yeah, Ayanna Jones. Ayanna Jones was
22:53seven years old. Seven years old little Black girl shot and killed by Detroit police again under a no-knock
23:01warrant. And like yourself, Kimberly, you know, I'm an attorney as well. And I was practicing criminal
23:06law for many years. And no-knock warrants, they're really only supposed to be used under the most
23:12exigent of circumstances. Talk about that. They're supposed to be a rarity.
23:16Yeah, the exigent circumstances of a properly administered no-knock warrant are very rare.
23:24You know, drugs are supposed to almost always be a part of the fact circumstance. Because the theory goes,
23:31you only have a justification to come into someone's home unannounced as law enforcement
23:36because there's going to be evidence destroyed. And since that tiny little possibility, there's no
23:42legal justification ever for a no-knock warrant. That's on paper. That's on paper. So the fact that
23:48a seven-year-old little girl lost her life because of that, we should have never had a Breonna Taylor
23:53because these no-knock warrants should have already been off the books.
23:56And if it was happening in Beverly Hills, if it was happening on the Upper East Side,
24:02we know the places that if this happened to and a little blonde girl got killed sleeping on
24:08her family's couch, we would not have no-knock warrants. It's because it happens to us and
24:15people, the society is willing to pay that cost because they're not paying it. We are.
24:19Yes, we are.
24:24The political leadership of us as Black women in this moment. And you said many of their names,
24:28Stacey Abrams, Kamala Harris, Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, Congresswoman Val Demings,
24:34you know, many, many of them. My mayor in Charlotte, North Carolina, my hometown.
24:38Lee Biles, right? Like it's dope. Talk about how Black women can capitalize on this political
24:45momentum that we are engaging in. We're seeing the emergence of it. How do we capitalize and make it
24:50even bigger? I think the big thing is what we talked about. We have to turn out to vote and we have to
24:56bring everyone with us to go do that because we are the deciding factor. Our population of Black women
25:03will decide the election at the state side and down the ballot. So we have to vote and we have to make
25:10sure that we raise our voice and our agendas. When I say raise our voice, this voter suppression is real.
25:18I think either Kimberly or Ida was saying it is real. And there are people and groups that are trying
25:28to suppress the vote, not just at the Black vote, but anyone who may turn their casted ballot to blue.
25:35And so that is real. And we have to reform. People are talking about reform in a lot of different ways.
25:41We definitely have to reform the criminal justice system. We definitely have to reform voter
25:46suppression. But the reform really has to do around elections because that will talk about the ID laws,
25:53the voter suppression, all the dumping of votes and registrations. There is, why do we have Iowa
26:02and New Hampshire dictating who's our ballot in their 90%? Why do we have electoral colleges when we
26:13have the population having a mass exodus to the city? These are just things we just have to ask ourselves.
26:21And then why can we get the entire world into a virtual workplace overnight in a pandemic to not
26:27cast a ballot and have enough polling locations for our voters? So voting first, but raising our
26:35voice so that we have health care and some of these agendas, these items on the agenda, but also that we
26:41remove the barriers of entry with our power, with our votes. And more than what Ida said, we have to
26:47build a coalition because we can't do it alone. We have to build a coalition of people who are worried
26:53and concerned and aware so that we can change. Amen. Ida and Kimberly, I want you both to
26:58address this specific issue. Pam just told us Black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party. We have
27:03been for generations, really. What does the party need to now do for us? You know, you saw it, Ida.
27:11My boss is talking about boycotting. It's all kinds of thoughts about it, right? But what we do all agree on
27:19is that the party does need to show some respect for the loyalty our community has had for them.
27:23Absolutely. Absolutely. What do you want to see from these candidates, from the Democrats?
27:27Well, number one, I want to see them acknowledge that we've been the wheels on the bus, we've been
27:33the engines of the bus, but we've never been able to drive the bus. So it is time for us to be in the
27:38driver's seat on the Democratic Party's agenda. And that's just, I mean, it's an open and shut case.
27:46We voted Democrat like 98% during the last election. We were the group that got it figured out
27:57the most that this scapegoat rhetoric, these racist politics, the xenophobia was the worst thing to
28:07happen to this country. We got it right. When you are a group that gets an A plus and when it comes to,
28:14okay, let's figure out how to make sure everyone else meets that standard. And they're not knocking
28:20on our door. They're not coming to say, well, what is it that you are able to see almost to the last
28:26person that white women were not able to see many other work? 30% of black men were not able.
28:34Can we talk about that? Let's talk about that. So the most important thing I think is in this moment
28:41is recognizing that the loss of black women's leadership, not just the way we used to be
28:47treated in the civil rights movement, right? We did all the work. We were the de facto leaders,
28:52but we weren't the leaders that you could see. The same thing is happening in the Democratic Party.
28:58And our tolerance of that has brought us to the cusp of this country really falling apart. So once
29:05again, we're to clean up women, but we want to get paid for it. We want to get, we want to get
29:09recognized for it. We want the power that comes with it. And that's the way that we're going to save
29:14ourselves in this next, this upcoming election. I think everything is on the table in this next
29:20election. And if they don't put black women in the place that they need to be,
29:23I think the project of America is truly lost. I know we got, no, no, we don't have to go. I
29:29have a specific question for you, but I just wanted to say that before, when we talk about politics and
29:37the democratic and Republican party alike, none of the, all of the administrations have benefited from the
29:43oppression of people of color. So I would like to see atonement before I see anything. When we
29:48talk about Joe Biden, I respect people who can say- That's my question. That's my question. What
29:53does Joe Biden specifically, because we all know he's the presumptive democratic nominee. That's what
29:58it is. What does Joe Biden, I'm going to start with you, Aida, and then I want each of you to answer.
30:02What does Joe Biden need to do to regain? Because I think we can all agree his trust with black women
30:07has been broken. Okay. For Aida Hill and so on, so on, so on. What does he need to do to regain that
30:14trust if it can be regained? So, you know, I would like, in the words of the nation of Islam,
30:21we need to see some atonement. We need to hear you say, we did this because when you deny that you did
30:27something that we so blatantly can see it, it, it continues to feed the mistrust, right? So there is an
30:35an administration that has not been part of the oppression of black people in America.
30:41That administration does not exist. That is why we're trying to move forward. And we don't want
30:45to hear, let's get back to, because what are we getting back to? Not beneficial to people of color.
30:51We don't want to go back. We want to go forward. You want civility. We want peace. We want justice.
30:58We want equality. And we want to be able to have our children walk down the street without being
31:02afraid of getting gunned down. So I want to hear, I want to hear specific policies though. I mean,
31:08when people say, well, we're going to work on reforming the criminal justice system,
31:13I want to know what that looks like across the country. Because when we talk about reforming the
31:19criminal justice system in Louisiana, that doesn't look like the same that it looks like in California.
31:25So we need to really sit down. And, and as a group, we need to collectively come up with what we
31:30want to demand these politicians because so for so long, they have just been taking our votes for
31:36granted. And though I believe that voting is important. I vote for my grandmother who was
31:41hosed down with dog and chased by dogs when she came here from Puerto Rico and was chasing not to
31:47be able to vote. I'll vote for her. Every time I go to the polls, our votes matter. And we need to make
31:53sure that we start being specific. Joe Biden owes us because he's paid it greatly. And he has made a
32:00lot of money off of our trauma, right? This trauma porn that they have with people of color, it has to
32:07stop now. So when I hear Joe Biden speak, I need, I need you to take the elbow and let us know. Yeah,
32:13I did do. I did do this. And this is how I'm going to try to fix it. And though I could never repair
32:19what I have done to people of color, you guys are worthy of an apology and worthy of me trying to
32:24correct some of the ills that I've participated in. Wow. Powerful, powerful, powerful words,
32:32powerful points of introspection, and powerful calls to action. I want to thank each of you, Pamela,
32:38Ida, Kimberly, for what you've offered here today at our Black Women's Town Hall. Thank you.
32:43Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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