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Jorge Rodriguez, presidente of the National Assembly. teleSUR
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00:00deputies for the insolence of the testimony but as victim of systematic violation to the
00:15human rights of my person and of my family and part of the Venezuelan state I would like also
00:23to listen in this place the voice of a victim of violation of human rights on July of 1974 I was
00:37in my grandmother's house in Marquisimeto and the phone rang those phones that are disappeared
00:48now and I answered the phone and it was my father then had 19 months in jail in the prison of Sabanetti
01:01Maracaibo and I asked who is it and he said it is me son your father and I said father aren't you in
01:13prison and he said I have just been released go to the airport to look for me in the airport of
01:24Marquisimeto he had been the beneficiary of a presidential pardon by the part of the president
01:29Rafael Caldera who had we couldn't say imprisoned him 19 months before because truly it was not
01:44a process of lawyers or judges it was savages that had entered 19 months before in his home and in my
01:58home they savagely beat him and tortured him and they had him on and disappeared him for 14 days but
02:13he was savagely hit and tortured that applied in four opportunities the law they took him
02:20to a dark street and they put him they took the covenson and allowed him to leave and then shoot him in
02:35consequence that that day in which they entered my home and kidnapped because we were five days there
02:47without being able to enter or exit we were able to go out a few minutes in a position and my mother went to a phone
03:01since we were the family of Jorge Rodriguez we didn't have a right to have a phone in our home
03:09they cut the electricity frequently and daily not daily but we moved frequently and they always put
03:21a groom to live in the house that store or threaten us etc etc we were able to sneak and my mother called
03:31who in my opinion and in the opinion of many is the biggest defender of human rights that have been
03:40known in Venezuela the doctor for heavy center on hill that call and the timely intervention of the deputy
03:56run hill saved the life of my father in 1974 those henchmen in the year 74 committed all types of crimes
04:12they applied all types of tortures physical to my father psychological to my father because they said
04:20that they had killed my mother and his son his eight nine-year-old son and his daughter of four
04:31and psychological torture as well to his family
04:40one of those henchmen with the last name another one called Manuel Pacheco in the kitchen of my house
04:54they had a gun and they put it to my head and he asked me where is Orlando Yajure and I truly didn't know
05:02no I don't know and they shot the gun they did that in three or four opportunities of course it wasn't loaded
05:12mystery solved I am not immortal
05:16and I say all of this
05:21of the disappearance that tortures the intervention of Jose Vicente as well
05:27of the time in jail of Sabaneta of the absence of defense
05:33to the lawyer of my father another defender of human rights called Agustin Caesadilla the day
05:41that he was presented to the first I don't know what is but that is called the first hearing
05:47the first hearing he was put in prison
05:49and I remember that when my father saw him entering the jail he said welcome
05:58because that morning that afternoon of July of 1974
06:11I believe that I was the happiest child on this earth when I listen to my father say hello son I am your father
06:21and that was days and nights and at the next day of parties my mother grabbed a bus
06:42a bus of the
06:44buses of Venezuela
06:46and he went to
06:48meet with my father
06:51and I could spend a long time
06:53talking
06:55but I would like
06:58for you to take one more thing
07:01months later
07:05I don't know why I was
07:07walking near the corner
07:09of Pajaritos
07:10and my father met with a deputy
07:12that had been his companion of studies
07:15in the faculty of law
07:16deputy Juan José Caldera
07:18son of the
07:21president of the time Rafael Caldera
07:23and
07:26they hugged
07:30he had less than a month
07:32had been in jail
07:33and Juan José Caldera
07:36tells my father
07:38in the table
07:40we speak of you
07:43my father
07:44remembers you
07:46because my father was a very good student
07:47in the law school
07:49and in journalism school as well
07:50and my father told Juan José Caldera
07:52yes yes I know
07:54he remembers me
07:55he had me 19 months in jail
07:58in the prison of Sabaneta
07:59and with very few resources
08:03as a child of 9 years of age
08:06can have in that opportunity
08:07I thought
08:08how does this man do
08:11to have
08:12to take to the codes of humor
08:17and friendship
08:18something as dark
08:20as the one he lived
08:22exactly
08:24three years after
08:27he was murdered
08:31in the basements
08:33of the DC
08:35as it said in the communication media
08:38murdered
08:39in the
08:40he was savagely tortured
08:45in a torture house
08:46that the
08:47that the political
08:48police of the time
08:49had
08:50in
08:51catia la mar
08:52near
08:54the
08:55the electrical central
08:57of Takoa
08:57and when they saw
08:59that
09:00he was
09:01injured
09:04very affected
09:06they took him
09:07to the DC
09:08for him to die there
09:10and they killed him
09:12after he died
09:13because they took him
09:16from the DC
09:17to the morgue
09:18and they wanted
09:23to force
09:24the doctors
09:26of the morgue
09:27to say
09:28that a young
09:29man of 34 years of age
09:31had died
09:32of a heart attack
09:34do you know
09:36who told me that
09:37my professor
09:39of
09:40pathological anatomy
09:4315 years later
09:44without knowing
09:46that I was
09:46in that class
09:47and he
09:49told the story
09:51that
09:54he was not going
09:56to risk
09:56his dignity
09:57and his honor
09:58as a doctor
10:00getting a death
10:04certificate
10:05that the doctor
10:06of the DC
10:07had already filled
10:08when he said
10:08died
10:10by
10:11a severe
10:12heart attack
10:13when that body
10:17was
10:18had been destroyed
10:19there were
10:22body parts
10:23that had
10:23come out
10:25many fractures
10:26the skull
10:29was fractured
10:30there was burns
10:31from cigarettes
10:32they were
10:33evidence
10:35of strangling
10:36and asphyxiation
10:37and the savages
10:38of the DC
10:39they cut
10:41the light
10:43of the morgue
10:43so the autopsy
10:45could not be carried
10:46on
10:47some of you
10:48might have had
10:49the opportunity
10:50of going to the morgue
10:51we doctors
10:53had classes
10:56and the entrance
10:57to the place
10:59of the bodies
10:59opens to a
11:01big door
11:02and my professor
11:03of pathological
11:06anatomy
11:06who has
11:07passed
11:08he's entered
11:09his vehicle
11:10and with the light
11:12of his vehicle
11:13he did my father's
11:14autopsy
11:16the next day
11:18the minister
11:20of interior
11:21of the time
11:22Octavio Rebaez
11:22went out
11:23smoking a cigarette
11:25he has also
11:28passed
11:29because he smoked
11:29very much
11:30saying
11:31Jorge Rodriguez
11:35had
11:38a thing
11:40he had
11:42a heart attack
11:43I wish that
11:55in some moment
11:55someone
11:56told me
11:57what due process
12:01was here
12:02what NGO
12:04asked
12:05for the freedom
12:06of my father
12:07what international
12:08organism
12:09of human rights
12:11intervened
12:13none
12:15and months later
12:19and I insist
12:21I apologize
12:24for the
12:24incidents
12:24of the testimony
12:25months later
12:26a person
12:30very famous
12:31at that time
12:32he was famous
12:34in that time
12:35with the name
12:35who was president
12:37of a bank
12:38and stole
12:38all of the money
12:39of that bank
12:40of the workers
12:41and only left
12:42the money
12:42that he
12:44supported
12:45the propaganda
12:46of the bank
12:50of the workers
12:50in the fights
12:52he stole
12:53everything else
12:54he presented
12:57himself
12:57to my mother's
13:00job
13:01with the keys
13:02of an apartment
13:02and told her
13:04here
13:04is sent to you
13:06by president
13:06Perez
13:07and my mother
13:08answered
13:10and I was there
13:11that day
13:11she
13:13launched
13:15the keys
13:16to his chest
13:17and she said
13:17do you think
13:18the life
13:18of my husband
13:19is worth
13:20an apartment
13:22and
13:34and she
13:36told him
13:37tell Perez
13:38perhaps
13:39using
13:41a variable
13:44of style
13:45similar
13:45to the
13:46recent
13:47representative
13:49diplomatic
13:49representative
13:50of the US
13:51she said
13:52tell
13:53to president
13:54Perez
13:54the same way
13:55that the US
13:55representative
13:56did not say
13:57in her post
13:58to the active
14:00president
14:01they didn't call her
14:02by her charge
14:03but called her
14:04by the name
14:05and
14:06the president
14:07of the National
14:08Assembly
14:09also called
14:11calling him
14:11by the name
14:12I thank her
14:14for not changing
14:14my
14:15or my sister's
14:16name at least
14:17we are
14:18respectful
14:19we are respectful
14:20people
14:21decent
14:23and respectful
14:25and she said
14:28tell Perez
14:29that my
14:29children and I
14:31already
14:32forgave him
14:33because
14:40if we were
14:45taught
14:46anything by
14:47I was
14:48not to hate
14:51not to hate
14:51years later
15:03I met Perez
15:05I was president
15:06of the federation
15:07of university
15:08centers
15:09and there
15:11were some
15:11students
15:12that were
15:12in prison
15:13and we
15:13went
15:14to speak
15:15with
15:15president
15:15Perez
15:16good morning
15:20president
15:21nice to meet
15:21you
15:22good morning
15:23students
15:25how are you
15:26I expect
15:28that there's
15:29no grudge
15:29Perez
15:31told me
15:32and I said
15:34many years
15:35ago
15:35my mother
15:37sent a message
15:38to you
15:38saying that
15:39we had
15:40forgiven you
15:40and we sat
15:42down
15:42and we spoke
15:43and they liberated
15:45the imprisoned
15:46students
15:47that day
15:47and they
15:50they were
15:52all liberated
15:53at the 80s
15:54movement
15:54and they didn't
15:56think
15:56because
15:57Luis for
16:01example
16:01was not
16:02between
16:02the prisoners
16:03but he
16:03was being
16:04looked
16:04for
16:04this
16:07extensive
16:08thing
16:09is to
16:09point
16:10out
16:10that
16:12deep
16:12way
16:14of this
16:14law
16:14is going
16:15to be
16:15filled
16:16the path
16:16of this
16:17law
16:17is going
16:17to be
16:18filled
16:18with
16:18objects
16:31and with
16:35positions
16:36that are
16:41unjust
16:41and ahead
16:42for example
16:44yesterday
16:44I saw
16:45a senator
16:46or something
16:46of the U.S.
16:48saying
16:49and that
16:56they
16:56release
16:57said
16:58person
16:58because
16:59he knows
16:59that there
17:00is an
17:01amnesty
17:01law
17:02that is
17:03about
17:03to happen
17:04and
17:06we have
17:11not only
17:13to swallow
17:17all of the
17:18frogs
17:19that we
17:20will have
17:20to be
17:21that we
17:24will have
17:24to withstand
17:25for coexistence
17:26but we
17:27must also
17:28be careful
17:29not to
17:31let ourselves
17:32be taken
17:33off the
17:34path
17:34as the
17:35song
17:35says
17:36let's not
17:37lose
17:38the path
17:39for taking
17:40an easier
17:40route
17:41I believe
17:42that's how
17:42it says
17:43there will
17:47be some
17:48who will
17:48try to
17:48take
17:49advantage
17:49today
17:50they exist
17:51supposed
17:52organizations
17:53that take
17:54advantage
17:55of the
17:55situation
17:56of the
17:56people
17:56that have
17:58been
17:58that
17:59don't
18:00have
18:00freedom
18:01and I
18:01believe
18:02that we
18:04must
18:06in this
18:08path
18:08look
18:10us
18:12chavistas
18:13look to
18:16our
18:16example
18:17to our
18:18guide
18:18Hugo Chavez
18:21that on
18:23April 14th
18:24after being
18:25kidnapped
18:26after they
18:28tried to
18:29murder
18:29him
18:30after they
18:31tried to
18:31take him
18:31out of
18:32the
18:32country
18:33he
18:33raised
18:34a
18:34and
18:42he
18:42asked
18:42for
18:43forgiveness
18:43and he
18:44also
18:44forgave
18:45so we
18:47are asking
18:49for forgiveness
18:50and we
18:50must also
18:51forgive
18:51we
19:09ask for
19:09forgiveness
19:10because
19:12and I
19:15say it
19:15clearly
19:16I
19:19do not
19:19like
19:20prisoners
19:20they
19:23must be
19:23necessary
19:23by the
19:24cause
19:25or by
19:26the
19:26realities
19:26of
19:27the
19:28politics
19:28and the
19:30situation
19:31of a
19:32society
19:32I
19:36do
19:36another
19:37make
19:37another
19:37comment
19:38Chavez
19:40once
19:41offered
19:43to me
19:44imagine
19:47to be
19:48the
19:48minister
19:48of
19:49interior
19:49and he
19:51told him
19:52better not
19:53because
19:54you're going
19:55to release
19:55all of
19:56the
19:56prisoners
19:57and
20:05that
20:05anecdote
20:06that
20:07Jorge
20:07Riaza
20:07told
20:08December
20:0931st
20:09of the
20:09year
20:102007
20:10when
20:11Chavez
20:12spent
20:14his
20:14Christmas
20:15Eve
20:15with
20:16those
20:18that
20:18he
20:19had
20:19liberated
20:20and
20:22those
20:22that
20:22were
20:23kidnapped
20:23in
20:23Colombia
20:24at
20:2411
20:25and
20:2514
20:26of
20:26the
20:26night
20:26I
20:27gave
20:27him
20:27as
20:28executive
20:28vice
20:28president
20:29that
20:29I
20:30was
20:30fired
20:31three
20:31days
20:32later
20:32but
20:32I
20:32was
20:32still
20:32vice
20:33president
20:33at
20:33that
20:34time
20:34four
20:34days
20:35on
20:38the
20:38third
20:39I
20:39was
20:39called
20:40to
20:40be
20:40fired
20:41I
20:42gave
20:43commander
20:43Chavez
20:44the
20:45presidential
20:46pardon
20:46with
20:48which
20:49he
20:50responded
20:50without
20:51anyone
20:51asking
20:52him
20:52and
20:53without
20:53anyone
20:54asking
20:57to
20:59the
20:59defeat
21:00that
21:00we
21:00suffered
21:01in
21:02the
21:02constitutional
21:03reform
21:04for
21:04Chavez
21:04that was
21:05a message
21:06and it
21:06was
21:06mainly
21:07a message
21:08of
21:09rectifying
21:10once
21:10again
21:11of
21:14rectifying
21:15but
21:19I
21:19tell
21:19to
21:19my
21:19companions
21:20of
21:20the
21:20opposition
21:21to
21:22put
21:22their
21:22hands
21:22on
21:23their
21:23heart
21:23and
21:26ask
21:26yourselves
21:27if
21:28you
21:29have
21:30rectified
21:31because
21:34mistakes
21:36have
21:38been
21:38committed
21:38there
21:39was
21:39a
21:40communique
21:41of a
21:42political
21:42party
21:43of the
21:43opposition
21:44that
21:44thanked
21:45Donald
21:45Trump
21:45for
21:46beginning
21:46the
21:46transition
21:47in
21:47Venezuela
21:47I
21:51dare
21:52to
21:52say
21:52that
21:53yes
21:54they
21:54have
21:54rectified
21:55and I
21:56invite you
21:56to
21:57continue
21:58being
21:58brave
21:59I
22:01invite
22:01you
22:01to
22:02insist
22:02because
22:05the
22:07beast
22:08we
22:11will
22:11also
22:12have
22:12once
22:14again
22:15launch
22:15themselves
22:16towards
22:16us
22:17and
22:17against
22:18you
22:18insist
22:19deputies
22:20be
22:20brave
22:20let
22:23us
22:23all
22:23be
22:24brave
22:24let's
22:28be
22:28just
22:29let's
22:33be
22:34true
22:34Christians
22:35even
22:36if
22:37we
22:37do
22:37not
22:37profess
22:38a
22:39religion
22:39let's
22:40put
22:40the
22:40word
22:41of
22:41Christ
22:41to
22:42embrace
22:43ourselves
22:43in
22:43forgiveness
22:44as
22:55as
22:55I
22:55said
22:56to
22:56my
22:56patients
22:57when
22:57I
22:57saw
22:58them
22:58in
22:58couples
23:00counseling
23:00there
23:02was
23:02a
23:02time
23:02when
23:02I
23:03had
23:03I
23:04started
23:04attending
23:08many couples
23:09I even
23:09managed to
23:09buy an
23:10apartment
23:10he
23:12saying
23:12this
23:12of
23:12me
23:13she
23:13saying
23:14this
23:14of
23:14me
23:15and
23:18I
23:18asked
23:19one
23:19on
23:20the
23:21other
23:21and
23:25doesn't
23:25he
23:26have
23:26anything
23:26good
23:28to be
23:28mentioned
23:29does
23:30she
23:30have
23:31anything
23:31good
23:31because
23:32if
23:33someone
23:33speaks
23:34ill
23:34of
23:35someone
23:35else
23:35is
23:36a
23:38couple
23:38member
23:39that
23:39is
23:39in
23:41rage
23:41see
23:42the
23:43opinions
23:43that
23:44people
23:44have
23:45when
23:45they
23:45have
23:46a
23:46divorce
23:46of
23:48the
23:48people
23:48that
23:48they
23:49spent
23:49many
23:49years
23:50with
23:50the
23:50people
23:50that
23:50they
23:51share
23:51children
23:51with
23:52and
23:52then
23:53after
23:53the
23:54divorce
23:54they
23:54say
23:55things
23:55or
23:57am
23:57I
23:57lying
23:58you
24:03let's
24:07ask
24:08ourselves
24:09do you
24:12have
24:12anything
24:13good
24:13or do
24:14we
24:14have
24:14anything
24:15good
24:15there's
24:15proof
24:16and
24:16evidence
24:16here
24:17I had
24:20some
24:20concerns
24:21about
24:22this
24:22debate
24:22because
24:24the
24:24words
24:25are
24:26can
24:28heal
24:28but
24:29they
24:29can
24:30also
24:30do
24:30damage
24:31let's
24:34insist
24:34in
24:35the
24:35words
24:35that
24:36heal
24:36deputies
24:37let's
24:38insist
24:39in the
24:39necessity
24:40of
24:40healing
24:41in the
24:41necessity
24:42of
24:43of
24:49always
24:54having
24:55present
24:56the
24:57early days
24:58of
24:59January 3rd
24:59of the
25:00year
25:002026
25:01the
25:02murder
25:02of
25:03120
25:04human
25:05beings
25:06in the
25:06kidnapping
25:06of
25:07press
25:07the
25:07constitutional
25:08president
25:09of the
25:09Bolivarian
25:10Republic of
25:11Venezuela
25:11Nicolás
25:11Maduro
25:12Moros
25:12and the
25:13deputy
25:13and
25:14first
25:14lady
25:15Celia
25:15Flores
25:16you're
25:20going to
25:20ask for
25:21your
25:21prisoners
25:21we are
25:22going to
25:23ask
25:24while we
25:25still
25:25have
25:26life
25:26for
25:26our
25:27prisoners
25:27for
25:27Nicolás
25:28Maduro
25:28for
25:28our
25:28kidnap
25:29Nicolás
25:30Maduro
25:30Moros
25:30and
25:31Celia
25:31Flores
25:32de
25:32Maduro
25:32Thank you
25:41God
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