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00:00And welcome to Hannity. We start this night with a Fox News alert moments ago Savannah Guthrie flanked by her brother and her sister released this video vowing to bring home their mother who was abducted from her home over the weekend. Also moments ago within the last minute President Trump putting up a truth social post will give you that on the other side of this. This is the very tragic sad difficult difficult video to watch. Our prayers are with her and her family. Watch.
00:30On behalf of our family, we want to thank all of you for the prayers for our beloved mom, Nancy. We feel them and we continue to believe that she feels them too.
00:45Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman of goodness and light. She's funny, spunky and clever. She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and cover her with kisses.
01:09She loves fun and adventure. She is a devoted friend. She is full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see.
01:22The light is missing from our lives. Nancy is our mother. We are her children. She is our beacon.
01:35She holds fast to joy in all of life's circumstances. She chooses joy day after day. Despite having already passed through great trials of pain and grief.
01:53We are always going to be merely human. Just normal human people who need our mom.
02:04Mama. Mama. If you're listening, we need you to come home. We miss you.
02:14Our mom is our heart and our home. She is 84 years old. Her health, her heart is fragile.
02:31She lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She needs it to survive. She needs it not to suffer.
02:40We too have heard the reports about a ransom letter in the media. As a family, we are doing everything that we can.
02:55We are ready to talk. However, we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated.
03:07We need to know, without a doubt, we need to know, without a doubt, that she is alive and that you have her.
03:18We want to hear from you and we are ready to listen.
03:23Please, reach out to us.
03:28Mommy, if you are hearing this, you are a strong woman.
03:35You are God's precious daughter, Nancy.
03:42We believe and know that even in this valley, he is with you.
03:49Everyone is looking for you, Mommy, everywhere.
03:54We will not rest.
03:57Your children will not rest until we are together again.
04:01We speak to you every moment and we pray without ceasing and we rejoice in advance for the day that we hold you in our arms again.
04:16We love you, Mom.
04:17We love you, Mom.
04:18We love you, Mom.
04:19Stay strong.
04:20We love you, Mom.
04:21All right.
04:23That is a heartbreaking video.
04:24It sounds like they want proof of life and a willingness to have a discussion with any potential person or persons demanding a ransom.
04:34Tonight, investigators have returned to the home of Nancy Guthrie with canine units.
04:39And breaking only moments ago, President Donald J. Trump truthed out this.
04:43Quote, I spoke with Savannah Guthrie.
04:45I let her know that I am directing all federal law enforcement to be at the family and local law enforcement's complete disposal.
04:53Immediately, we are deploying all resources to get her mother home safely.
04:57The prayers of our nation are with her and her family.
05:01God bless and protect Nancy.
05:02President Donald J. Trump, you know, the very latest in Arizona tonight, our very own Jonathan Hunt.
05:08OK, I'm hearing this is proof of life.
05:13That's what I'm hearing for any potential person that might be holding her for ransom.
05:18What are you hearing out there where you are?
05:21Yeah, clearly, the family in that gut wrenching video are hinting at the very least or hinting very strongly that there is a kidnapping situation here.
05:35Although Savannah Guthrie started that part of the video saying we are aware of the media reports about a ransom note.
05:42But then she's appeared to directly address a potential kidnapper saying, Sean, we are ready to talk, but we need to know with absolute certainty that she, meaning Nancy Guthrie, is alive.
05:58And then she said, and that you have her.
06:01So that is a direct request to any kidnapper or kidnappers out there that they want to see proof of life.
06:09This has come at the end of what has already been an extraordinarily busy evening in this investigation, Sean.
06:18Just a few hours ago, we had a couple of very active scenes.
06:21We can put both of those up on screen for you.
06:24Screen left.
06:26That is Nancy Guthrie's home.
06:28And a few hours ago, after 24 hours after the sheriff declared it a closed crime scene and that they were done with it, handing it back to the Guthrie family, suddenly a whole phalanx of law enforcement agents showed up there.
06:45They included sheriff's deputies, they included border patrol agents with canine units, and they included FBI agents.
06:52And once again, they appeared to be going through the house, the garage and the surrounding area very closely, looking at everything that they could once again.
07:02So they're looking at those two scenes.
07:04The other scene you see on screen at the top of your picture there, the top right, that is Annie Guthrie's home.
07:13And a few hours ago, federal agents showed up at that home.
07:18That is Annie Guthrie, Savannah's sister, the other daughter of Nancy Guthrie.
07:23Federal agents showed up there.
07:25They went into the home.
07:26At one point, a couple of the agents brought something out, put it into their SUV, and then went back into the home.
07:31So we had no idea what was going on there, why they were at Annie Guthrie's home.
07:38But it may now be that they were there to help coach the family through the recording of this Instagram video that we have now seen.
07:48Annie Guthrie, by the way, shares that home with her husband, Tommaso, Nancy Guthrie's son-in-law.
07:54We believe that Annie and her husband, Tommaso, are the people that the sheriff is referring to and has been referring to when he says family members told us they dropped Nancy Guthrie off at her home at around 9.30 on Saturday.
08:10So a lot of moving parts here tonight, Sean.
08:14But I think the headline, obviously, is that gut-wrenching video.
08:20You watch Savannah Guthrie alongside Annie and their brother, Cameron, just pleading directly to their mother, stay strong.
08:29You will come home to us.
08:31They described her, of course, as goodness and light.
08:34Both Annie and Savannah used that word particularly, that she is the light of their lives.
08:40In Savannah's words, Nancy Guthrie, the mom, is our hearts and our home.
08:47It was really, really tough to watch, Sean.
08:50But also, we were saying earlier on air, Sean, that in these circumstances, very often, if there is a missing family member, quite early on, you see other family members in front of the cameras saying,
09:03please, if you have our loved one, please bring her home to us or bring that person home to us.
09:10It had struck me over the last couple of days that it was slightly unusual that we hadn't seen it.
09:15We have now seen that video.
09:17And having seen it, you have to say, maybe it just took them this long to gather the strength to utter those words, because that was really tough to watch.
09:26Having said that, everybody, everybody should watch it.
09:29And you just hope tonight, Sean, that whomever does have Nancy Guthrie, is watching, has seen it, and will respond.
09:39Sean.
09:40All right.
09:40Well said.
09:41Jonathan Hunt, thank you.
09:43And we will be going back to you throughout the hour.
09:45Nancy Grace also will join us in just a moment with her analysis of this new breaking news.
09:50But first, the big question tonight.
09:52Why would investigators return to Nancy Guthrie's home?
09:56What are they looking for here with analysis on the FBI search and law enforcement search for Nancy Guthrie, former FBI special agent, Fox News contributor, Nicole Parker, along with retired FBI special agent, Maureen O'Connell.
10:10A lot to unpack here.
10:12Nicole, I'll start with you.
10:14Let's go to she's 84.
10:17Her health is fragile.
10:18She needs her medicine to survive.
10:22We have heard the reports of a ransom letter in the media.
10:26We are ready to talk.
10:28Now, then goes on to rightly point out we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated.
10:35We need to know without a doubt that she is alive and that you have her.
10:41We want to hear from you.
10:42We are ready to listen.
10:44Please reach out to us.
10:45Now, you're the pro.
10:48You're the expert.
10:48You've been involved in these cases before.
10:51How do you analyze that?
10:52How do you unpack that?
10:55Well, first of all, this is absolutely heartbreaking and all Americans need to pray.
11:01What she's addressing, what the family is addressing is extremely important.
11:05The first thing I'm looking at is how this was communicated.
11:09This was communicated through Instagram was my understanding.
11:12Okay, Savannah Guthrie works for NBC.
11:14She chose not to use that.
11:16She chose to use Instagram.
11:17That has a very large audience that would be hearing that.
11:21Additionally, it's very important to note that they are asking for proof of life.
11:27They are ready to talk.
11:29They are ready to open up the lines of negotiation, the lines of communication.
11:33But rightfully so, just as we have been discussing on your network, was this a true ransom or is this a false flag?
11:43Is this a hoax or is this a false flag?
11:45And she has every right to speak to America and potentially to the abductor and say, look, we're ready to talk, but we're apprehensive because we don't know if this is real or not.
11:54And so that is what they are doing.
11:56I think also it's important to ask the question from a law enforcement perspective.
12:00I'm curious, was this done unilaterally or was this at the instruction of law enforcement?
12:06Because oftentimes how these are done is that the family will communicate with law enforcement, whether it's the local law enforcement, FBI, probably all of them.
12:14And they will come up with a game plan.
12:16And that is quite normal.
12:17And then they will say, look, this is probably the best way to address this.
12:21They look at the ransom note or email.
12:23They do a full statement analysis on it.
12:25And then they say, based on what we see here.
12:27And again, we spoke about before determining the legitimacy, the header, the information, the metadata information, the IP address, the ISP.
12:35All of that has been done on the back end by law enforcement.
12:38And I'm guessing that either this was done unilaterally or it was done in connection with law enforcement at the instruction of law enforcement.
12:45Yes, Nicole, on that point, the fact that every word was read kind of was a tip off to me.
12:53I mean, she speaks to millions of people every day.
12:55She could easily have spoken extemporaneously, but she did have a script.
13:00That, to me, tells me that law enforcement definitely approved what she was saying.
13:04And she wanted to be very specific and very precise.
13:07Fair conclusion?
13:09I think that's a very solid conclusion.
13:11And again, we also know that it is very nerve wracking.
13:14She's in a state of absolute despair.
13:17When you're at that bottom of the moment, you need help.
13:21You need to make sure that you hit every single point.
13:24And again, when you're doing a statement analysis and you're saying, look, make sure you address this, this, and this.
13:29But again, let's see what happens.
13:31Now the next step is, does anyone actually respond to that?
13:34Does she hear back from anybody?
13:36Again, it could either be a hoax.
13:38It could be a false flag or it could be real.
13:41This ransom.
13:41All right, Maureen, let me get your take on all of this.
13:44And again, pretty much the same question.
13:47She needs her medicine to survive.
13:50And we've heard reports of a ransom letter in the media.
13:53As a family, we're doing everything we can do.
13:55We are ready to talk.
13:57She does, you know, acknowledge the fact, something we all know if you're in the public eye, that in fact, images and voices are easily manipulated.
14:05We need to know without a doubt she's alive and that you have her.
14:09That is a proof of life request from any potential kidnapper demanding a ransom, is it not?
14:16Very true.
14:17Good point.
14:18They have a lot of video of Nancy from the shows that she's done with her daughter Savannah over the years.
14:25And so they have her voice captured.
14:28So A.I. could easily, you know, send a message with her voice on it that is just taken out of thin air, essentially.
14:36So they have to be very, very careful.
14:38Apparently, from early reporting, this one of these ransom notes had very, very explicit information about the clothing that Nancy was wearing, which the family believed to be true and correct.
14:52So that's another data point that's really important.
14:55I haven't heard much about the other ones.
14:57You know, we've heard there were several of these, but the one that we're talking about now is this one.
15:01They're in the process now of opening the lines of communication and the investigation, as all these investigations go, there's 15 or 20 other separate investigations going all over the place, which is why I think they're back at the house right now.
15:16They either interviewed someone that gave them a bunch of important information or they some of the information that they seized previously was tested and came back as something other than what they thought or something that piqued their interest.
15:30So they came back to get more to find more.
15:33But I don't think I looked at those people on scene, those agents, whoever they are, but they are not.
15:39They did not appear to be FBI ERT members to me.
15:42Okay, stay right there, Maureen O'Connell and Nicole Parker.
15:46We will come back to you throughout the hour.
15:48Now, at this hour, we continue to monitor the home of Nancy Guthrie after a flurry of police activity within the last couple of hours.
15:56At the same time, a desperate search for Nancy is underway.
16:01So what will it take to solve the case and bring this 84-year-old grandmother home safe and sound and get her the medicine that she desperately needs?
16:09Here with more reaction analysis, the host of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Fox Nation.
16:15Nancy is with us.
16:16Okay, this has been your life's mission, your passion, your vocation in life.
16:22And you have studied more crimes than any other one person that I know.
16:26Now, let's look at and unpack, as I've been saying, all of this new information that we have and that post by Savannah and her brother and sister on Instagram.
16:37What do you glean from that?
16:38Number one, it's heartbreaking and excruciating to watch.
16:45But we have to watch.
16:47And this is what I discern.
16:48I discern, number one, law enforcement absolutely knew that this statement was being made.
16:55They probably helped them prepare it.
16:57I know Savannah.
16:59Savannah would not go rogue.
17:00We worked together at Court TV.
17:02She's covered many, many cases like this.
17:03She knows what's happening.
17:06She would not go rogue and do this against law enforcement's decision, much less the FBI, for Pete's sake.
17:12Of course they knew.
17:13And they probably coached them or helped them.
17:16Number one, what else does it tell me?
17:19To take the ransom notes seriously.
17:21There's a lot being thrown around in the media that is it real, is it fake, is Bitcoin, blah, blah.
17:26Well, apparently that note had something in it that made Savannah Guthrie, who knows the law like the back of her hand, try to reach out and speak to whoever sent it.
17:38That tells me that possibly the description in the note was accurate.
17:43Only the family and law enforcement would know that.
17:46And they have chosen, Savannah and her brother and sister have chosen to engage with whoever wrote those notes.
17:52There's something in that note that's accurate.
17:54Okay, so I agree with you.
17:57I can't imagine that they would go out there with this statement and basically asking for proof of life, talking about a willingness to talk.
18:09I don't think they would do that at all without taking into account the real possibility that law enforcement deep down believes this is a very real possibility of a kidnapping and a ransom.
18:20Now, those cases are treated very specifically.
18:24How would you imagine this now begins to unfold?
18:29Well, we've got to wait now.
18:30We're playing their game, the perpetrator's game.
18:34One other thing I can glean from this, Sean, is that there's been a lot of speculation.
18:40It's an insider very close to the family.
18:44I think if the family thought that, they would not be speaking on Insta to an unknown party.
18:50I don't think you would see this happening.
18:52What we're seeing, this extraordinary moment right now, they want proof of life, and it can't be some AI image.
19:01They want to know she's alive.
19:03They want something in the background to show she's alive.
19:05It's got to be something that strikes them as real.
19:10And again, we're playing the perp's game.
19:14I don't like that.
19:16We're going to have to wait on them to respond, see what the response is.
19:20What if we don't hear from them for another day, two days, three days?
19:23Did you notice it took a long time for the ransom note to appear?
19:27That was concerning to me.
19:28And another thing, Savannah and her family have been through H-E-double-L because they haven't come forward and spoken until now.
19:37Did anybody ever think that in her position, in the limelight, in the public, she was told that that may throw fuel on the flame?
19:48I'm sure she was following the directions of law enforcement.
19:51And now she's spoken.
19:53I hope that makes everybody happy so we can now focus on finding Nancy Guthrie.
19:57Okay, let's go back to what we know.
20:01Why did they go back?
20:02And I know we're all speculating here, but there's got to be a reason why they went back to the mother's home today, why they went to the sister's home today.
20:10Now, this could be very innocent.
20:13They went to the sister's home, maybe in preparation for this statement that they were going to release tonight.
20:18It could have been that simple an explanation.
20:20And I don't like that people run rogue.
20:22The media often rushes to judgment.
20:25They were wrong on Richard Jewell, wrong on Duke Lacrosse, UVA, Ferguson, Missouri, Freddie Gray in Baltimore.
20:31They're wrong a lot.
20:32So we don't like to rush to judgment.
20:34You never rushed to judgment.
20:36But why do you think they went back to the house today?
20:38There had to be a specific reason.
20:40And it's hard to believe in this day and age, Nancy, help me, that there are cameras everywhere.
20:46I know whoever did this ripped that camera out at Savannah's mother's house, at Nancy Guthrie's house.
20:54However, what about a neighbor?
20:56They had to have somebody that, you know, got every license plate and every person, you know, that walked down that street or drove down that street that night.
21:04You cannot tell me in a neighborhood like that, that there are not security cameras, surveillance throughout.
21:12And she was taken in a vehicle.
21:15She can't walk past 50 yards.
21:16All right.
21:17She was taken out that door.
21:20We know there's forced entry, but they came out of that front door from the blood that apparently has been identified as Mrs. Guthrie's.
21:28The blood ended there.
21:30She was put in a car.
21:32There's got to be a record of that car.
21:35There's got to be some cell phone data somewhere.
21:38They've just a needle in a haystack right now.
21:40But regarding surveillance, I know they're in a vehicle and I know we've got to track that vehicle.
21:45But I want to point out one thing.
21:47It wasn't just the agents.
21:49They brought dogs, Sean.
21:51They brought dogs.
21:53What does that mean?
21:54Were they looking?
21:55Was she taken into the garage?
21:57Was she, you have to look to see where they're taking the dogs.
22:02Then it looked like they were doing somewhat of a grid search around the area, like out into the woods a little bit.
22:09Did they get a tip?
22:10Or did they think that they had missed something?
22:14I thought they opened up the scene way too early.
22:17That's just me, you know, having handled thousands of crime scenes.
22:20But they went back to that scene.
22:23That scene could have been tampered with by now.
22:25I'll close the scene.
22:27Okay.
22:28We have cadaver dogs.
22:29We have drug dogs.
22:30There are dogs that are trained specifically to seek out electronics that may be hidden somewhere.
22:37I mean, it could have been any number of reasons why those dogs were brought in there.
22:40But you're right.
22:41They did expand outside into the property.
22:43Okay, what do you think they're looking for?
22:45I think that they may be looking for the approach into the home.
22:53There have now been reports of a male that does not live in the neighborhood that had been in the area leading up to the time that Nancy was taken.
23:03Are they trying to pick up a scent there?
23:06I think that they've gotten a tip.
23:09They've gotten some kind of information.
23:10They had to go back and check it out.
23:12And they brought dogs.
23:13That's what I can surmise right now.
23:15And that's very serious to bring the dogs back out.
23:17They're looking for some type of human scent, I believe.
23:20I don't think they're looking for electronics.
23:22And they're not looking for drugs.
23:24They're looking for a human.
23:25Let's go back to the original statements of law enforcement.
23:29They believe she was taken out of her home by force.
23:33It was a forced entry into the home.
23:35We know that the camera was ripped out.
23:38There was the blood.
23:39But, you know, as you pointed out last night on this program, not a significant amount of blood that would indicate that she was dead when she left that house.
23:48That means that she was taken out against her will, according to law enforcement.
23:53Walk us through.
23:54That means, I think I would conclude if they wanted to kill her, they would have killed her right then and there on Saturday.
24:00Okay.
24:00They wanted to take her.
24:01They took her.
24:03Now, as you look at each little piece of that puzzle, having gone over, you know, thousands and thousands of cases throughout your career, what does it tell you?
24:15It tells me, number one, she was upright and walking.
24:19She may have been assisted.
24:21She was not down.
24:22She was not being dragged, prone, because the blood was dropping, I think, from her nose.
24:31And you see droplets coming down.
24:33As a matter of fact, if you very carefully look at that blood in the front, it's almost as if you can see the steps through the first four tiles.
24:41There's a drop or two of blood on each tile.
24:46She's being led out of that house.
24:48And based on the blood, she is still upright.
24:51That's very significant in my mind.
24:54And she's alive at that point.
24:57That's what I think.
24:58If this were random, they would have killed her, robbed her, raped her, and left her body in that home.
25:04That's harsh.
25:05I know it's harsh, but I'm dealing with the facts.
25:08She's not there.
25:09That's not what this is about, which gives credence to the ransom notes.
25:13And now we see the family coming out.
25:15They're giving credence to the ransom notes, too.
25:17Or are they grasping at straws?
25:19I don't think so.
25:20There's something in that note that rings true to the crime scene or what Mrs. Guthrie was wearing.
25:26So we've got to be taking this very seriously.
25:29Now, these ransom notes are the way to go.
25:32That is the path.
25:33And we're playing a waiting game.
25:35I don't know how much longer Mrs. Guthrie can wait.
25:38You told me something privately, and I want to bring it public.
25:42You said to me that the fact that she was in this house alone and this happened where it happened,
25:51that you were convinced it had to be somebody local.
25:55Do you stand by that?
25:58Yes, I do.
25:59I do not believe all of these zany theories that Savannah covered an incendiary case.
26:06She does that every day.
26:07We all do.
26:08And that somebody got mad and travels across the country, finds her elderly mother, and kidnaps her.
26:15That's not what happened.
26:17This is not some, you know, conspiracy against Savannah or a political statement.
26:23No.
26:24They knew her.
26:25They know where she lives.
26:27They know she lived alone.
26:28This is someone in that area.
26:31This is not a vigilante from across the country making a political statement.
26:35That's absurd.
26:36So, yes, I do stand by that.
26:39All right, Nancy Grace, stay with us.
26:41This is a developing story.
26:42We'll come back to you in a few moments.
26:44If you are just joining us, big new developments in the search for Nancy Guthrie,
26:49including a new video from Savannah Guthrie and her siblings urging their mother to stay strong.
26:54There is also a big new search at Nancy Guthrie's home where she was abducted on Saturday.
27:01Here now to weigh in on all of this, former assistant FBI director Chris Swecker, also former
27:07T.C. homicide detector Ted Williams, as well as Ted would start with you.
27:11Let's get your thoughts.
27:12Why did they go back to that home today?
27:13What do you glean out of the Instagram video of Savannah, her brother and her sister?
27:19Well, Sean, let me say before I say why they went back to the house or what I think about that,
27:26I don't think they should have ever, ever left that crime scene.
27:31And they shouldn't have given that crime scene up.
27:34That, I've always said, good crime scene talk to good investigators and they're able to give them information.
27:42And if you got the crime scene, you secure the crime scene so you can go back and forth to the crime scene
27:49and preserve whatever evidence is there.
27:51Sean, I believe that they got some information that led them to come back to that home
27:59and to look in the area of the home.
28:04But it is somewhat perplexing because from what we know,
28:09that at 9.30 or right around that time on Saturday night,
28:13they dropped off Nancy at her home.
28:16And then we know that around 2 o'clock in the morning,
28:20her pacemaker and the Bluetooth was disconnected.
28:25And so they believed that it was right around that time that she was taken.
28:29Now, the sheriff has come out and he said that he didn't believe that this was targeted.
28:35This is something that was put out earlier.
28:37But I've come out on this station as early as yesterday and said that I believe that this was clearly targeted.
28:45And now when we listen to this proof of life or statement made by her three children,
28:53it clearly leads me to believe that Nancy was actually targeted.
28:58I believe that they can look at licensed readers in the area.
29:07They can also, they're going to have a problem, I can tell you, Sean, with the videotape there.
29:12Because these houses, the way they're situated,
29:15are acres apart from each other and they sit relatively bad.
29:20And so they're going to have problems there.
29:22But that ransom note, and I have to go with what Nancy Gray said,
29:27that ransom note could be very, very valuable.
29:32From what we understand, they are talking about bitcoins in that ransom note.
29:36I haven't seen it, but this is what I understand.
29:39And if that's the case, there's an air of sophistication here
29:43that makes these individuals that abducted her,
29:48that they could be anywhere at this immediate time.
29:52Okay, let me go to Chris.
29:54Chris, let me get your take on all this.
29:55And I want to add one little detail to what Ted was saying.
29:59The pacemaker was in sync with her Apple Watch.
30:03And I go back to the question I was asking Nancy Grace,
30:07which is, I understand they ripped out the home security camera that was at Nancy's home.
30:15But what about the rest of the street?
30:17What about every person that walked down that street that night?
30:20What about all the people that drove down that street that night?
30:23If you have any level of what I believe most people have to be security cameras,
30:31I could tell you, I got to believe somebody saw something,
30:33picked up a license plate, a face, something to go on.
30:38It's hard to imagine anybody can get in any neighborhood with all the cameras that people have,
30:42and we have nothing, you know, days later.
30:47Yeah, Sean, a lot of major crimes and, you know,
30:49historic ones that we've seen over the last few years,
30:52starting with the marathon bombing, have been solved by video.
30:55So, you know, your point's well taken.
30:57What I've noticed, I've done the gumshoe work looking for ring camera video and other video,
31:01and those ring cameras don't resolve very well from a distance.
31:05And all these houses are offset from the street by several hundred feet with a lot of foliage in between.
31:12So it could be the ring cameras that just aren't good leads in that neighborhood.
31:16But eventually there's an ingress and an egress point in that neighborhood that empties into some area
31:21where there's commercial activity, and that's where the cameras are.
31:24And so to your point, you can use AI or you can use just, you know, data analytics and some software
31:30to run through all the cars that are coming and going into those ingress and egress points.
31:35And sort out which ones are delivery vehicles and which ones are belonging in the neighborhood
31:40and which ones are extraneous.
31:43And, you know, that takes time.
31:44That takes analytical capabilities that the sheriff's department certainly doesn't have.
31:47So the FBI is on the scene doing that.
31:50But I wanted to zoom out just a little bit, Sean.
31:52It's actually a positive development if there is a credible ransom demand.
31:56That means that there is at least some possibility that she's alive.
32:00And that's the best news we've had in several days.
32:02So in a left-handed sort of way, it's actually good news if it is, in fact, a credible ransom demand,
32:08which they're struggling to determine now.
32:10Apparently there were enough indicators in the demands that they're looking at or demand that they're looking at
32:15that will cause them to run this, want to run this out the way they did tonight.
32:21Because, you know, they're at the point where they have to, you know, they have to give it some enough credibility.
32:26And it's probably the only thing they have right now.
32:29So this is where the action is right now with this investigation.
32:33All right, Chris and Ted, thank you both.
32:35We appreciate your analysis on this.
32:37Now, in case you're just joining us, at the top of the hour,
32:39we played a video statement read by Savannah Guthrie and her siblings.
32:44Here is that video in full.
32:47On behalf of our family, we want to thank all of you for the prayers for our beloved mom, Nancy.
32:56We feel them.
32:58And we continue to believe that she feels them, too.
33:02Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman of goodness and light.
33:15She is funny, spunky, and clever.
33:20She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and cover her with kisses.
33:27She loves fun and adventure.
33:29She is a devoted friend.
33:33She is full of kindness and knowledge.
33:37Talk to her and you'll see.
33:41The light is missing from our lives.
33:45Nancy is our mother.
33:48We are her children.
33:51She is our beacon.
33:52She holds fast to joy in all of life's circumstances.
34:00She chooses joy day after day.
34:04Despite having already passed through great trials of pain and grief.
34:11We are always going to be merely human.
34:16Just normal human people who need our mom.
34:19Mama.
34:21Mama.
34:24Mama.
34:26If you're listening, we need you to come home.
34:30We miss you.
34:36Our mom is our heart.
34:38And our home.
34:41She is 84 years old.
34:44Her health, her heart is fragile.
34:46She lives in constant pain.
34:51She is without any medicine.
34:53She needs it to survive.
34:56She needs it not to suffer.
35:01We too have heard the reports about a ransom letter in the media.
35:06As a family, we are doing everything that we can.
35:11We are ready to talk.
35:16However, we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated.
35:24We need to know, without a doubt, that she is alive and that you have her.
35:34We want to hear from you and we are ready to listen.
35:38Please, reach out to us.
35:45Mommy, if you are hearing this, you are a strong woman.
35:53You are God's precious daughter, Nancy.
35:57We believe and know that even in this valley, he is with you.
36:06Everyone is looking for you, Mommy, everywhere.
36:11We will not rest.
36:14Your children will not rest until we are together again.
36:18We speak to you every moment and we pray without ceasing and we rejoice in advance for the day
36:28that we hold you in our arms again.
36:33We love you, Mom.
36:34We love you, Mom.
36:35We love you, Mom.
36:36Stay strong.
36:37We love you, Mom.
36:38It is such a reminder that every human life is a gift from God.
36:45Every human being has their own unique fingerprint.
36:48The Bible says every hair on our heads is counted.
36:52This is not a political statement.
36:54I don't want it to be interpreted as such.
36:56This is why on this show, all these years, two decades later, we've been scrolling names of people shot and shot and killed in Chicago.
37:04The killing needs to stop.
37:06That's why we want violent criminals off our streets so people can be safe and secure.
37:13We can have law and order, a prerequisite towards the pursuit of happiness.
37:17All of this matters.
37:18You can see it in the pain in that one family.
37:21This one family.
37:23Here with more insight.
37:25Former FBI agent Stuart Kaplan, former FBI investigator Bill Daley, and Fox News legal analyst Greg Jarrett.
37:31Bill Daley, start with you.
37:32Yeah, certainly, Sean.
37:36Extremely compelling statement by the family members there.
37:39And just like to kind of start off by echoing some of the comments made earlier.
37:43And just given some of my experience in the private sector, more in international incidents like this, is that it's not that unusual that if someone is taken.
37:52And I believe in this case that the police, the FBI, as well as the family have some sense that there could be some legitimacy.
37:59I say some sense.
38:01Obviously, they're asking for kind of a proof of life.
38:03If if if they received anything at all, it may have been just even at best proof of possession, as we would call it.
38:10But I think in this case, the fact that it took a few days for these these these notes to arrive, whether electronically or however, we're not too sure exactly how they arrived.
38:20But it's not that unusual in actually international cases.
38:23I'm not suggesting this is international, but some of them require them to take the the individual, the victim to a safe location.
38:31So give them some distance, give them some time, give them some some some some way to be able to communicate several days later.
38:38So it's not that unusual that something like this could happen.
38:41So I think that there are a couple of things adding up here that suggest that authorities believe there's some at least well-intentioned kind of communication out to the kidnappers.
38:52Although I'm quite surprised that if, in fact, those notes were received the way we're suspected or received, there was no other way that they would be able to communicate as opposed to making just the general public statement.
39:04Yeah, there is an urgency because Savannah's mother, Nancy, does need these medications.
39:10Stuart, let me go to you.
39:12And can we interpret this statement that we are ready to talk?
39:16We've heard the reports about a ransom letter, but we live in a world where voices, images are easy, easily manipulated.
39:24We need to know without a doubt she is alive and that you have her.
39:30Now, you're the law enforcement expert.
39:33I'll ask you that level of urgency.
39:35I interpret that that law enforcement must have a pretty strong belief that kidnapping ransom is a very strong possibility here.
39:44Yeah, to your point, Sean, there's no doubt that the FBI believes that there is enough credibility that this evening there was a very measured statement collectively by the family.
40:00What I think is very unique and unprecedented for the first time, the FBI, in coordination with other partners, utilized Instagram.
40:12I'm telling you here tonight, Sean, this case will be solved, but it will be as a result of technology that has been utilized by the FBI in very special circumstances with respect to being able to go back and basically put back a timeline with respect to using these data points with pinpoint accuracy.
40:38It is by no coincidence that the choice or the mode of communicating with this person or these people and the fact that it was done via Instagram was calculated with respect to being utilized
40:56as a potential way to surveil or uncover or to detect any possible individuals who may have some further information.
41:10Greg Jarrett, you have covered a lot of cases with us here on this show, and you heard that statement from the family.
41:18We know the facts leading up to it.
41:19I think Nancy Grace's analysis was dead on if they wanted to kill her or harm her, they would have done that right there in that house.
41:28And you've got to give a lot of credibility to the idea that what was sent to TMZ and another news outlet, obviously, law enforcement has taken that very seriously.
41:37How do you see it at this point?
41:40There's a certain urgency.
41:41Well, first of all, you could feel the agony and the torment and the desperation in the voices and faces of the children.
41:58And it was truly heart wrenching.
42:00And I'm glad that the public at large can see that maybe it can motivate movement in the case.
42:08And I agree with you, Sean.
42:09I think the FBI and local law enforcement are taking the ransom demands at face value, although there is always a natural skepticism.
42:21The report by TMZ received a ransom note demanding Bitcoin, a level of sophistication.
42:28I agree.
42:29Another note apparently sent to the Tucson ABC local station.
42:34And there's always the possibility that some greedy, sick, twisted person unconnected to Nancy Guthrie is trying to take advantage of a tragedy by extorting money under false pretenses.
42:47So, you know, I think they're looking at both possibilities here.
42:51I'm sure that the statement by the children, Savannah in particular, the use of the language of manipulated voices in images was quite deliberate and probably inserted there by law enforcement, the FBI.
43:08Sadly, it does happen in high publicity kidnappings that, you know, people try to take advantage and and make money out of it.
43:17It is sad, but it happens.
43:19The other report that law enforcement returned to the home of the daughter, Annie, and her husband to question them yet again, that is not unusual.
43:28After all, they were believed to be the last ones to see her when they dropped Nancy off at the home the night before.
43:34So several rounds of questioning is quite typical.
43:38I know that you've raised the issue of other cameras in the neighborhood.
43:41Unfortunately, it is a very difficult case to solve because that location is so remote and secluded where other residents are spread out in the fields of vision or obstructed by a great deal of foliage.
43:56There's no street lighting at night whatsoever.
43:59So it would have been very difficult for anybody to see or hear anything in the darkness of the night.
44:06I was shocked that they had cleared that crime scene.
44:11So now they are revisiting, sealing it off.
44:15It tells us a couple of things.
44:17First, they want to redouble their efforts in the search for clues and evidence that may have been missed.
44:22But it also suggests to me that they're really at a loss.
44:27They have no other viable leads.
44:30You've got blood drops leading away from them.
44:32Disabled doorbell cameras, you pointed out, Sean.
44:35Forced entries all point to a kidnapping.
44:38I don't think it's random.
44:40It looks targeted to me.
44:42Does it seem like ransom to you, Greg?
44:47Yeah, it does.
44:49If it's targeted, there has to be a motive.
44:51The motive is you just don't take an 84-year-old woman without an underlying reason.
44:59And the obvious reason would be ransom.
45:03Ransom, famous, you know, daughter.
45:05It could be a lot of factors here.
45:08Certainly, I think everyone is pretty close to where this is likely going to end up.
45:13We just pray she ends up alive and okay and back in her family's arms.
45:17All right, Greg, thank you.
45:19Stuart, thank you.
45:19Bill, thank you.
45:20And earlier tonight, President Donald J. Trump's truth doubt the following.
45:24Quote, I spoke with Savannah Guthrie.
45:26Let her know that I am directing all federal law enforcement to be at the family's and local law enforcement's complete disposal immediately.
45:34We are deploying all resources to get her mother home safely.
45:38The prayers of our nation are with her and her family.
45:41God bless and protect Nancy.
45:43Donald J. Trump, President.
45:45All right, we bring back Nancy Grace.
45:47So a lot of this, and I spoke to you earlier today, a lot of this has been unfolding within this hour.
45:55And I just know how your mind works.
45:57And I know with each new tidbit of information, you begin to glean more and more.
46:03Okay, as we've had this conversation tonight and analysis tonight, where are you coming down at this moment?
46:11Well, law enforcement is at a loggerheads.
46:17What else do they have?
46:18I want to follow up on something that was just said, and it's true, that neighborhood, the homes are set back off the street.
46:27There's a lot of trees and foliage.
46:29That's why people live there, for privacy and to be in nature.
46:32You can't necessarily see your neighbor.
46:35But earlier, one of your experts stated that it's got to go somewhere.
46:42Let me give you an example.
46:44Alex Murdoch goes down a rural street, the lawyer that killed his wife, Maggie and son Paul, and shoots himself in the head to throw off suspicion.
46:52There were no cameras.
46:54But it went somewhere at the end of that street.
46:56There was an old Baptist church that had one camera, and it caught him.
47:01This street and somewhere, there's a red light, there's a stop sign, there's a quick trip, there's something.
47:10All right?
47:11That's what I'm saying.
47:13Same thing happened with Koberger.
47:14He zoomed past a gas station, and bam, they saw him.
47:193.30, 4 o'clock in the morning.
47:22That's what I'm screaming right now.
47:25Technology and following the trail of that road.
47:29And another thing that I just wanted to mention, think about who would send the ransom note to TMZ, and I believe the local is K-O-L-D, a local outlet.
47:40Somebody local.
47:42Somebody that's familiar with who is TMZ.
47:45Who logs on to TMZ?
47:48Who clicks there?
47:49They've got to be looking at that.
47:51And did you hear what Savannah said?
47:52I've heard through the media.
47:56In other words, you didn't send it to me.
47:59You did not send the ransom to the family.
48:01Why?
48:02That is for the experts to be analyzing tonight.
48:05It gives me an idea of who the perp is, if this ransom note is real.
48:10You know, if you think back when you first started covering, you know, court trials and crime, and you think of the technology back then.
48:19For example, I have the latest, greatest, most advanced security cameras on the market today.
48:26AI-powered facial recognition, night vision, 24-hour record, 365.
48:33That's available.
48:34And, by the way, it is not, it's affordable for most people.
48:39This is not out-of-control costs anymore.
48:41This is now affordable technology.
48:43As the technology advances, it's like a big-screen TV comes out.
48:47You buy it on day one.
48:48You're going to pay a fortune.
48:49Go back a year later.
48:50You're going to pay, you know, a tenth of the price that other people paid.
48:54They're now readily available.
48:57And you made a good point.
48:58There's a stop sign.
49:00There's a red light somewhere on the way in.
49:03The way out.
49:04And there are homes all the way along the way, stores someplace.
49:08There had to be something out there that captured everybody going in and going out.
49:13I would be hard-pressed to imagine any scenario where that's not the case.
49:20Absolutely.
49:21And you have to identify how they're coming in, how they're going out.
49:26In a neighborhood like that, there's probably one entrance and one exit to get out to the main street.
49:31That's how those swanky neighborhoods are.
49:33So there's your point right there.
49:37And you've got to get into the mind of the PERP.
49:41Why TMZ?
49:42Why a local outlet?
49:43Why did Savannah reach back out on Insta?
49:47Because they reached to her through TMZ and a local outlet.
49:53Insta is ubiquitous.
49:55You don't have to have cable, right?
49:57You don't have to have the dish or the satellite.
49:59Everybody, if you've got a phone, you can get Insta, right?
50:04That's why she chose that.
50:07Everybody has it.
50:08They're thinking.
50:09They're trying to get one step ahead of this PERP, but they're stuck on his timetable.
50:15And there's been a lot about there may be two people involved.
50:18I don't know that I believe that because the more people that are involved in a plot, the more likely it is it falls apart.
50:25A girlfriend, a wife, a neighbor sees, notices, something.
50:29So the fewer people in on a plot, the more likely it will be successful.
50:33I don't know that there's more than one or two people involved in this.
50:36You know, I just want to say this about you because I asked you the question, how you how you found your passion, your purpose in life on my radio show today and what you had gone through and you lost a fiance.
50:51I'm not going to ask you because I could tell it was very difficult for you to talk about.
50:57I mean, you did not get married until 19.
51:00This was your fiance.
51:01You did not get married till 19 years later.
51:03And I go back to my point and I promise you, Nancy, yeah, I'm known for politics.
51:08This is not a political statement.
51:09This is why I say every single life matters.
51:12This is why we can stop crime if we put our mind to it.
51:16This is why criminals have to be in jail, deported, whatever it happens to be.
51:21We've got to give everybody a safe, secure environment in this life, you know, because you lived it, you experienced it.
51:28I mean, it's the definition, pure definition of hell on earth.
51:31And out of that pain, you've ended up helping so many people.
51:36And I give you so much credit for that.
51:37And we really appreciate you being back with us, Nancy Grace.
51:41All right.
51:41Our very own Jonathan Hunt.
51:42He is on the ground.
51:44He's in Tucson.
51:44He has the very latest tonight.
51:46Jonathan, what's going on?
51:49Sean, as far as we are aware, the intense activity of law enforcement at Nancy Guthrie's house has now pretty much ended.
51:58We were told by our team on the ground there that there were a couple of law enforcement personnel still there.
52:03But the crime scene tape is gone.
52:05But it was a very intense few hours as they went through that property pretty meticulously again.
52:10Deputies were there.
52:12Sheriff's deputies were up there.
52:13Border patrol agents were up there with canine units and FBI agents.
52:16We saw them inside the house.
52:19We saw them inside the garage.
52:20And we saw them around the property carrying out searches, which seemed odd in many ways, given that just 24 hours ago, the sheriff's department announced that they were finished with that crime scene.
52:32They were handing the house back to the Guthrie family.
52:36Well, clearly something changed today that sent them all back in a hurry and intensely looking through that property.
52:44And then we have just seen, in about the past hour, federal agents who were at Annie Guthrie's house, that is Savannah Guthrie's sister, Nancy Guthrie's other daughter.
52:55Federal agents were there.
52:56They were there for several hours.
52:58They just left a short time ago.
53:00Our cameras were there and saw their vehicles driving away.
53:03Now, it would appear now that we've seen that video of Savannah and her brother and sister, that the federal agents were there to help them make that video, to guide them through it, to tell them in some ways what they could and couldn't say.
53:20Although a lot of it was obviously very much from the heart of those three children desperately looking for their mother.
53:27But we've looked at, we've seen some prior photos from inside that property and the walls that they are sitting in front of match what we've seen from inside the property.
53:36So we're pretty confident, Sean, that that video was shot there and that would explain the presence of those federal agents there for several hours today.
53:46So it has been an extraordinary evening, a lot of developments, Sean.
53:50And one thing I want to note is we were talking earlier throughout the day, and everybody has been, a lot of legal experts, et cetera, through the days, about how perhaps law enforcement, when they were saying they had no clue about various things, for instance, how many people might have been involved, perhaps they weren't giving us everything they knew.
54:09And we all began to think, well, maybe they're far ahead of this and they just want to keep the media in the dark so as not to compromise their investigation.
54:17But when you listen to that video from the family, it appears that they, and therefore you would assume law enforcement, really do have no clue at this point who took Nancy Guthrie, how many people may have been involved.
54:35Was it one, two or more?
54:37It appears that this really is an investigation that is struggling to locate Nancy Guthrie, clearly, and struggling to work out who might possibly be involved in the abduction.
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