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Essence's Yes Girl spoke with Killer Mike and his wife about love, building our communities and only buying black
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00:00Charlie, who's in the building?
00:03Oh, Yolanda, I'm so excited.
00:05You know, we've been dying to have these two come on the show.
00:08Killer Mike is here and his wife, Shay.
00:10Yay!
00:11Welcome.
00:12Thank you for coming on Yes Girl.
00:15I want to read a little bit.
00:16I love Killer Mike's Twitter bio.
00:18He calls himself a pan-Africanist, gangster, rapper, civic leader, and activist.
00:23Damn.
00:24Love it.
00:25That's a mouthful.
00:26That's a mouthful.
00:27And then he and Shay have a business in Atlanta,
00:31so we're going to talk about your entrepreneurship
00:33and being, you know, revolutionary black love and business owners.
00:36Couplepreneurs, as we like to call them.
00:38Couplepreneurs.
00:39Couplepreneurs.
00:41It's a thing.
00:42It's a thing.
00:43But also, we're all watching Trigger Warning on Netflix right now.
00:45Thank you so much.
00:47Tell us about, like, how it came about, how the show came about,
00:51and, like, the filming process and everything.
00:53My friends who've known me since I was five tell my wife,
00:58this has been your husband his whole life, you know what I mean?
01:00He questions inappropriately.
01:03He challenges authority.
01:05He always says, why not?
01:06So I've had the idea of why don't we legitimize black gangsterism,
01:12you know, basically my whole life.
01:13You know, I grew up in the city of Atlanta,
01:16so my whole life I've only seen black politicians,
01:18black mayors, black schools, teachers.
01:20So I've seen all the good and bad blacks.
01:22So the numbers man was black.
01:24You know, some people saw him as an outlaw,
01:26but the numbers man owned stores in our community,
01:28did good in our community, the bootlegger did the same.
01:30And I would even argue even through the crack era.
01:32Like, the reason I owned a barbershop
01:33and went into legitimate business like real estate
01:35was because of one guy named Fat Steve
01:38who grew up in Shawty Low's neighborhood
01:39and brought on those projects.
01:40I saw him take drug money
01:41and essentially build a legitimate empire out of it,
01:44you know, before he got arrested.
01:45So for me, you know,
01:47my thing about being an entrepreneur in shops
01:49and all that was just like it was something
01:51that you were supposed to do or required to do.
01:53And I did everything every little black boy does
01:55and ran the streets, did wrong,
01:57got into Morehouse, did well.
01:59And with that said, I realized really early on
02:01I couldn't work for anyone.
02:03I was never going to be for a job.
02:05I wanted to be an entertainer,
02:06but that was not constant.
02:07So a businessman is something I've always wanted to be.
02:10And it just took finding the right person
02:12to partner with and my wife
02:13to help me understand what business really was
02:15and how to do it.
02:16So the best decision I made probably in my life
02:19was business decision and personal with marrying her.
02:22I love it.
02:23And then trigger warning is just,
02:24that's just who you are.
02:25You're just a good person.
02:25Yeah, that's who I am.
02:26The cameras are just following you.
02:27Yeah, y'all just seeing me.
02:29Like, that's not even TV.
02:30That's me wondering, like,
02:32well, why can't I go buy Godfather's Pizza,
02:34but I can't buy drug kingpin sandwich?
02:37You know, trigger warning is,
02:39why can I go see movies on Scarface, Al Capone,
02:42Whitey Bulger, Whitey Ford,
02:43but I don't see anything on Fast Eve
02:45or Bumpy Johnson or, you know.
02:47So my thing is with black people,
02:48and I said that,
02:49I mentioned a numbers man earlier,
02:51because black people have to learn
02:53to legitimize everything for profit.
02:55We're living in the capitalist system.
02:56And the people who are against you
02:59or the people who might even be with you,
03:00they're going to use everything,
03:01every resource that there means
03:02to advance their causes.
03:04So what Malcolm said,
03:05by any means necessary to me,
03:06that meant Luther Campbell
03:07and the Two Live crew, too.
03:09So, you know, my thing was,
03:10why aren't we using these things?
03:12So one experiment was,
03:13I took a bunch of Crips out of Atlanta
03:15and started a soda endeavor together.
03:19You know, because soda...
03:20Because it's a brand, right?
03:21They need merch.
03:22They are.
03:23You know, sodas have killed
03:25far more black people than Crips or Bloods.
03:27So, you know, we never criticized Bic Cola,
03:30so my thing was,
03:31let's sell Coke, the legal kind.
03:32I love it.
03:34And it goes into building an empire,
03:36which is something you all
03:37are trying to do together.
03:38I don't know if we're trying
03:40to build an empire,
03:40we're just trying to take care of each other
03:42and not work for white folk.
03:43Yeah.
03:44A lot of people talk real ambitious,
03:46like, I'm building an empire.
03:47No, I'm just trying to get $20 million
03:49and leave the country
03:50and hang out with my wife.
03:52And, you know, what happens after that?
03:53I just know I love her
03:54and I don't want her to go on and work
03:55to anyone else.
03:56I don't want our children
03:57to have to look up to other people.
03:58So, you know,
03:59I just think there's
04:00an over-romanicization sometimes
04:01if I'm building an empire,
04:02leaving, like, that's fine.
04:04But really, at the end of the day,
04:05I'm trying to live
04:05like my grandparents lived,
04:06trying to live below my means,
04:08trying to take care of my money,
04:10trying to value what my partner does.
04:11And we're just trying to live
04:12to get old and be comfortable.
04:14We're both raised by grandparents.
04:15She's raised by our grandmother.
04:16I'm raised by my grandparents.
04:18And there's a certain humility
04:19that comes when you're raised
04:21by people that are born
04:21in the 1920s and the 1930s.
04:23The world's radically different.
04:25You know, I remember asking
04:25my grandmother,
04:27because my grandmother,
04:28their family was landowners.
04:29They were able to be educated.
04:31You know, they weren't rich,
04:32but land ownership is wealth
04:34in itself.
04:35And, you know, my grandmother said,
04:36you know, they would get oranges
04:37and burlap sack underwear and stuff.
04:39And, you know, I just thought,
04:41man, that's the most horrible
04:41Christmas ever.
04:42Like, White Santa Claus
04:43hated us for real.
04:44And, you know, my grandfather
04:46looks over from across the room
04:48and me telling my grandma,
04:49I wouldn't want that for Christmas.
04:51He said, I didn't get nothing.
04:52I was like, why?
04:53He's like, because I had two sisters
04:54and I was the only boy.
04:56And that's when I started to understand
04:57that, you know, life we have is privileged.
04:59So, you know, you stay humble
05:01because, you know,
05:02you're where you come from.
05:03We got sent to my side.
05:05We got sent to a farm
05:06in the summer to work.
05:07You know, her side of her father's family
05:08is from Hilton Head, South Carolina.
05:10Like, they own their land
05:11they live on.
05:12So it comes with a certain humility.
05:14You know, and we've done
05:15all the crazy, wild stuff.
05:16You know, we've made money,
05:17spent money, things of that nature.
05:18But I think our grandparents
05:19grounded both of us
05:21in just being financially responsible.
05:23There's an episode
05:23where you tell a little black boy
05:25I'm paraphrasing.
05:26He can't be president.
05:27You can't be president.
05:28I need to understand why.
05:30Why can't that little boy
05:31be president?
05:31Because he's Canadian.
05:32He can be prime minister.
05:33Oh, he's Canadian.
05:34See, I didn't know.
05:35I didn't.
05:35Okay, so it didn't.
05:36Okay, all right.
05:37Because I was like,
05:38as soon as I see that mic,
05:39I'm going to get in here.
05:40Why do you tell a little black boy
05:41he can't be president?
05:42No, you can't.
05:42He's going to be prime minister.
05:44Yeah, yeah.
05:45Arnold Schwarzenegger
05:46can't be president.
05:47He's a member.
05:48Okay, okay.
05:48That is weird.
05:49His children could.
05:50Yeah, yeah.
05:51I told him that too.
05:52He just didn't make the edit.
05:53I remember telling Miss Elie
05:54I wanted to be a rapper
05:55and her saying,
05:56Michael, you're too intelligent.
05:57You should be a pilot.
05:58So at 15,
05:59I still wasn't a rapper,
06:00but I got an opportunity
06:00to learn how to fly planes
06:01and aviation mechanics.
06:02So I took it.
06:03You know,
06:03I remember telling my art teacher
06:05I wanted to go more house.
06:07I was more interested in more rapping
06:08and, you know,
06:09going to Morris Brown and the Scarshoff.
06:11Art scholarship.
06:12You know,
06:13so I had to prove to Mr. Murray,
06:14who I still communicate with to this day.
06:15Like, I had to prove I could do it.
06:17So,
06:17and essentially what I was doing
06:18was proving to myself
06:19was allowing it to be a challenge.
06:20So it's not my job to encourage you.
06:22It's not my job to make you feel
06:23like it's going to be okay
06:24and can work
06:25because the world is tough.
06:27You know,
06:27so it's my job.
06:28You're in an unemployment office.
06:30You're here to,
06:30you know,
06:31to learn to get a job.
06:32It's not my job
06:33to indulge your fantasy.
06:35It's my job to say,
06:36if you want to be a rapper,
06:37you're going to do the same thing
06:38that I did.
06:38You're going to sacrifice,
06:39work your butt off,
06:40have it not work for 10 years
06:42before you finally become
06:42an overnight success,
06:44you know.
06:45It's not my job.
06:46It's not my job.
06:47So doubting is almost like
06:49a form of motivating
06:50and pushing.
06:51It did for me.
06:52You're giving the option.
06:52All I know is how to train fighters
06:54when I was trained.
06:54Is that what you guys do
06:55with your kids?
06:56My children?
06:57Oh, man.
06:57I tell our kids all the time
06:59crazy stuff.
07:00But I encourage them, too.
07:01You know what I mean?
07:02But I, yeah,
07:03you know,
07:03we're firm with our children.
07:05I was actually soft,
07:06you know.
07:07Shana really encouraged me
07:08to toughen up something,
07:09but, you know,
07:10I think that's important
07:11that children understand
07:12is I want you to have dreams.
07:14I want you to aspire.
07:15But with that said,
07:16you have to learn to work.
07:17You have to get to work on time.
07:19You have to learn respect.
07:20You have to pick
07:20what you want to do
07:21or not.
07:22But you can't complain
07:23that people aren't supporting you
07:24if you aren't actively chasing.
07:25So we all heard you
07:27on The Breakfast Club last week.
07:29And funny enough,
07:30I was driving in the car
07:31with my kids.
07:32And the part where you talked
07:34about just public school
07:38versus private school
07:40and how a lot of black parents
07:41think I'm going to send my kids
07:42to private school
07:43because it's supposed to, like,
07:44help them get better in life
07:46and just be better people.
07:48And you were kind of pushing back
07:49on that around public school
07:50as well.
07:51Yeah, well,
07:51the conversation was not
07:52about public versus private.
07:54It evolved into that.
07:55The conversation was about
07:56how do I send a confident
07:58black child into an environment
08:00with others who are not
08:01culturally like them
08:02and keep that confidence?
08:04Now, I happen to have
08:05went to black public schools.
08:06I went to black public schools
08:07that were named for black
08:08educators and emancipators
08:09in a black neighborhood.
08:11So my entire existence
08:12up into,
08:15I'd say I got to high school
08:16at 13 years old
08:17because high school
08:18started in 8th grade for us.
08:20I'd never seen a white student.
08:21I'd seen one white teacher.
08:23The white student
08:23was so poor shit,
08:24we felt sorry for him.
08:25You know,
08:25bought him Jordans and shit.
08:27You know,
08:27like, beef it up.
08:28You're up here with us.
08:29Your swag can't beat down.
08:30Beef it up.
08:31You know?
08:31But I say that to say
08:33by the time that I got to college
08:35and met young men
08:37who were just getting around
08:38black people
08:39who had come from
08:39these private institutions
08:40and more I'm saying
08:41give them those scholarships,
08:42you paid to go, right?
08:43You could have did that
08:44in reverse
08:45and sent your child
08:46to school with black children
08:47name for black people
08:48from kindergarten
08:49through 8th grade
08:50and then you could have
08:51sent a competent 13-year-old
08:53out in the competitive
08:53school environment
08:54where they already knew
08:55who Mansa Musa was.
08:56They already knew,
08:57you know,
08:58who Chaka Zulu was.
08:59They already knew
08:59that Kemet was black
09:01before it was called Egypt.
09:01They already knew
09:02that the transatlantic slave
09:03was not the beginning
09:04of their history
09:05but the interruption
09:05of their history.
09:06So you're putting out
09:07a confident,
09:07competent student
09:08that's ready to compete
09:10and Envy mistook that
09:12as me saying,
09:13you know,
09:14down with private schools
09:15and people in the four
09:15and I'm just saying
09:16in my experience
09:17in the entertainment community,
09:19the people I've seen
09:20send their children
09:20to private school
09:21still pay for college.
09:23If I send you
09:23to private school
09:24and I still pay for college,
09:25you have fucked up
09:26my investment.
09:27I say the same thing
09:28to my children.
09:29Michael is going to go
09:29to private school
09:30year after next, right?
09:32Year after next,
09:32she goes to private school.
09:33If I spend $100,000
09:34for the next four years
09:35for her education
09:36and she does not
09:37scholarship in the college,
09:38she has wasted my money.
09:39It's just that simple.
09:40That doesn't mean
09:41I'm not going to help her.
09:42Doesn't mean I don't love her.
09:43That's good.
09:45I mean, that makes sense.
09:46I never thought of it like that.
09:47Right.
09:47That you should,
09:48if I'm putting you,
09:49I'm making you more competitive,
09:51so it should put you
09:52in a higher echelon.
09:53And those scholarships
09:54are raining down on you.
09:55What I think the answer though
09:56is less about us pretending
09:59we place this focus
10:00on education
10:00because if we did,
10:02our children
10:02would be scholarship
10:03in it.
10:04And all our heroes
10:05went to black universities,
10:06right?
10:06When you started talking
10:07about Martins
10:07and W.B. Du Bois,
10:09Booker Tees,
10:09those people went.
10:10The question becomes
10:11for me,
10:12when are we going
10:12to start making
10:13that investment
10:13in our own Montessori schools,
10:15our own charter schools,
10:16our own public schools,
10:17and when are we going
10:17to direct the talent,
10:18both academic
10:19and academically
10:20into historically
10:21black colleges
10:21and universities
10:22and trade schools?
10:23That simple.
10:24Either we choose
10:25to do that
10:25or we continue
10:26to be a second-class
10:27citizen
10:27that are minority
10:28to majority
10:29and then your children
10:31get to that school
10:31and then they're treated
10:32harshly,
10:33and then you've got
10:33to deal with the
10:34psychosis of that.
10:35I'm just not willing
10:36to do that.
10:36Now, I went to
10:37Spelman,
10:38your sister's school,
10:38right across the lane,
10:40and I came from
10:43a mixed school,
10:44melting pot,
10:45they called it.
10:45It was like a classic
10:46example of that,
10:47New Jersey,
10:48but my confidence
10:49didn't come until I got
10:50to Spelman for that reason.
10:51So we were,
10:52you know,
10:52before we started taping,
10:53we were kind of going
10:54and talking about that,
10:54and it is interesting
10:56to imagine how much
10:57confidence your child
10:59would have
10:59if they were
11:00in an all-black
11:01pre-K,
11:02Montessori,
11:02elementary,
11:04and a good school
11:05because you were saying
11:05they were,
11:06you know,
11:06all-black school.
11:07Yeah,
11:07my school was
11:08a national school
11:08excellence at the time,
11:10Frederick Douglass was.
11:11That's something to think about.
11:13It is something
11:14that the next changes
11:15in college.
11:16I found out today
11:17that in 1907,
11:19Tuskegee University
11:20graduated more millionaires,
11:23people went on
11:23to become millionaires
11:24than Harvard,
11:24I guess.
11:25If you don't start
11:27to learn your history
11:28from one of a victorship
11:29or one of a winner,
11:31you start to accept
11:32the fact that somehow
11:32I've always been a loser
11:33or I'm always playing defense.
11:35That's not the truth.
11:36You know,
11:36both of the communities
11:37we come up from,
11:38Yarmacross Village
11:39Housing Project
11:39in Savannah,
11:40where she's from,
11:41her grandmother
11:41literally had a shot house
11:43and worked in that project
11:44because she bought
11:44her own house
11:45at her next house
11:46at the next house.
11:47I bought her,
11:48her grandmother's
11:49first house back
11:49for her birthday.
11:51She's now a home
11:52and landowner,
11:53you know,
11:53so my thing is,
11:54we're supposed
11:55to be extending
11:56the dream
11:56that started over
11:57100 years ago
11:58and that's about
11:58black economics,
11:59black education,
12:01the taking care
12:01of one's black self
12:02in the larger black community
12:03and if you're not doing that,
12:05I'm just not as open
12:06to a lot of the comments
12:07that you have
12:08and criticism of us
12:09because you're not
12:09participating in bettering us.
12:12And speaking of
12:13that participation,
12:14the episode on the show
12:15where you try to
12:16live locally,
12:18spend all your money
12:20with black-owned businesses,
12:22that is,
12:23it shouldn't be,
12:24but it's practically
12:25impossible,
12:25especially if you try
12:26to stick to all the things
12:27you would normally do.
12:28Like marijuana smoke?
12:30Yeah,
12:30like some,
12:31yeah.
12:31I mean,
12:32seriously,
12:32I don't think
12:32I could come to work
12:33at Essence
12:34if I didn't get...
12:34If you didn't smoke
12:35marijuana?
12:35Well,
12:35no.
12:37If I didn't,
12:38that's another episode.
12:39If I didn't spend money
12:41on a non-black,
12:42like,
12:42I have to get on the ferry,
12:43I have to get on the train,
12:44like,
12:45I'd have to walk
12:45to Brooklyn.
12:46Now,
12:46that's certain loophole.
12:47You know what I'm saying?
12:47You pay taxes,
12:48you could claim
12:48public transit.
12:49Oh,
12:49that's a loophole?
12:50I mean,
12:51if I was a lawyer,
12:52I'd argue that.
12:53I gotta get to work,
12:54too,
12:54so I can pay those taxes.
12:55But I do think
12:56it would be nice
12:57to dream a dream,
12:58right,
12:59in a world
12:59where that becomes easier
13:00because more of us
13:01decide to be entrepreneurs.
13:03And,
13:03like,
13:04when you were just saying,
13:04going back to,
13:05like,
13:05starting our own daycares,
13:07elementary school,
13:07we have to do that.
13:09Private schools,
13:09charter schools.
13:10Absolutely.
13:10We have to do that,
13:11but it's hard out here.
13:13My dad's always like,
13:13you gotta be an entrepreneur,
13:14and I'm like,
13:15I like that steady check.
13:16We get spoiled
13:17by the steady paycheck.
13:18That's a hard mentality
13:20to switch to
13:20if it's not in your nature.
13:21I remember,
13:22you remember when I came here,
13:23I asked you to quit your job.
13:24How'd that go?
13:25I just didn't want you
13:26working for those white people
13:27anymore.
13:28She don't listen to me.
13:29So I know she was
13:31giving the white folks help.
13:32And I'm just like,
13:33it ain't no sense
13:33in doing this.
13:34You could just take
13:35that beautiful mind
13:36and come work for us.
13:37That's what,
13:38we had,
13:38what,
13:39$70,000 in the bank
13:40or something
13:40when we bought
13:41our first person.
13:41Well,
13:41I didn't listen to you
13:42at first.
13:43It took a little...
13:44Is it hard for you
13:44to make that decision?
13:45Because,
13:45I mean,
13:45it's stability
13:46versus,
13:48you know...
13:49The first time
13:49the decision
13:50was made for me.
13:51So,
13:52a corporation
13:53I was working for
13:53laid off about $1,500,
13:55and we were already
13:56talking about
13:56me becoming
13:58the person
13:58he needs me to be,
13:59in our business.
14:01So,
14:01and I like to have
14:03cushion before
14:04I just up and quit a job.
14:05So,
14:06in the process of saving,
14:07they sent out letters
14:08like,
14:09they're getting rid of us
14:10and I was so sad,
14:11like,
14:11you know,
14:11I was gonna move up
14:12and make my money
14:12and he like,
14:13nah.
14:16Yeah,
14:17just,
14:17no,
14:18don't do that.
14:18That's good.
14:19Like,
14:19we should be celebrating.
14:20You should leave that job.
14:21Well...
14:21Because we're taught to,
14:22like,
14:22you know,
14:23get the job
14:23and keep moving up.
14:24Right,
14:25that's how we're taught.
14:26Yeah,
14:26it's an accomplishment.
14:27We're taught to hold on to it.
14:28I never bothered.
14:28In fact,
14:29up until the day
14:30his grandmother passed away,
14:31she thought I had a job.
14:32Like,
14:32you can't play with these old people
14:34without working.
14:36That's why he's so hard
14:37on being the person
14:38to tell you,
14:39you know,
14:39give you doubt
14:40and tell you that you can't do it
14:41because,
14:42like,
14:42his grandmother,
14:43rap,
14:43boy,
14:44you don't have no job.
14:45Hold a steady job.
14:46You don't work in.
14:47You gotta stop playing
14:48with that money
14:49and this shit, girl.
14:50So,
14:50I literally had to tell her
14:52every day.
14:52She'd call me in the morning,
14:54Shana,
14:54you up?
14:55You going to work?
14:55Miss Betty,
14:56I'm going to work.
14:56I'd literally be laying in the bed.
14:57I'd have to jump up,
14:59put the water on.
15:00She was not having it.
15:02So,
15:02she gained a whole new respect
15:04for me to know
15:04that I was hanging out
15:05with him all night
15:06and going to work
15:06in the morning.
15:07Yeah.
15:07And don't be late
15:08because to be early
15:09is to be on time.
15:10Don't be late.
15:11To be on time
15:12is to be late.
15:12Look,
15:12when she called me back,
15:13I had better been in that car
15:14on the way to work
15:15to the job I didn't have.
15:17So,
15:17first of all,
15:18going into the job,
15:19part of the reason
15:19I was laying off
15:20is because I could never
15:21be on time.
15:24So,
15:24I'm,
15:24shut up.
15:25You're laughing a little too wide.
15:27Don't tell a lie
15:31and say the truth.
15:32Like,
15:32keep the trail back.
15:35So,
15:36I could never be on time.
15:37So,
15:37clearly,
15:37that's how I made the list
15:38of the people to let go of.
15:40And I'm not on time
15:41for my own business either.
15:42But I work hard
15:43when I do get there
15:44and I make up for it
15:44by working overtime.
15:46But,
15:47I got fired
15:48for most of my jobs.
15:49Yeah,
15:49I got fired
15:50for most of my jobs.
15:51So,
15:51I knew that
15:51I've been an entrepreneur
15:54a long time ago
15:55and I didn't listen.
15:57The job I got
15:58after they laid me off,
16:00he teased me
16:00the whole time,
16:01called me during the interview.
16:02Like,
16:03why are you going to go
16:03work for those rights
16:04because you don't need
16:04no job.
16:05We need to be doing our own.
16:06And I'm like,
16:07I was so nervous
16:08in the interview.
16:09So,
16:09they damn,
16:09and just say,
16:10you know,
16:10please,
16:11let's turn it off.
16:11No thanks,
16:12ma'am.
16:13Have a good day.
16:14Good day to you.
16:15Celebrating.
16:17Good day,
16:17Ms. Render.
16:18Exactly.
16:19Oh my goodness.
16:20So then,
16:20how do you two
16:21sort of make business,
16:23being business owners
16:23and a married couple
16:25work?
16:26It makes it business
16:27a pleasure.
16:27That's not easy.
16:28It's not easy,
16:30but we do it.
16:31In fact,
16:32it's easier to do
16:32because we do it
16:33with love.
16:34You know,
16:34sometimes you go
16:36through things
16:36and you want to
16:37stray away
16:38and it's easier
16:38to do so
16:39if you're not
16:40emotionally connected
16:40to the person.
16:41So,
16:41us being married
16:42made it easier
16:43to have businesses
16:44together
16:44because even
16:45if the businesses
16:45wasn't working,
16:46we knew our marriage
16:47was going to work
16:47and we had to
16:49keep,
16:49you know,
16:50focused on
16:50what was important
16:51in the marriage first
16:52and then the business.
16:53So,
16:54we've been successful
16:54at both,
16:55thank God.
16:56Neither one is easy,
16:57but we made it.
16:58How long have you two
16:59known each other?
17:00Y'all have a,
17:01I can see the glue,
17:02the bond is there.
17:03Y'all go back.
17:04I feel like I've been
17:05knowing him all my life,
17:05honestly.
17:08About 16 years.
17:11Not bad.
17:12Gosh.
17:13You've been married
17:1316 years?
17:14No.
17:14How long?
17:15We've known each other
17:1616 years.
17:16We've been married,
17:17it was 13 years
17:18and over.
17:20I'm on Black Love.
17:21I thought it was 10.
17:22True!
17:23Good.
17:2411?
17:2513.
17:26Did you guys know
17:27all night away
17:27that you would make
17:28a partnership?
17:28I actually remember
17:29your first two weeks
17:30of the year.
17:31Well,
17:31our first matter,
17:33I was popping.
17:35And we was in Daytona.
17:35You thought he was popping.
17:36I was hot.
17:37High hot, baby.
17:38He thought he was popping.
17:39Bless you all.
17:41And they called him.
17:43I was down at BET's,
17:46like summer thing
17:46in Daytona.
17:47You know,
17:48black folks tearing up
17:49Daytona, man.
17:49We was having a ball.
17:50Oh, they're going to be.
17:51And her friends saw me
17:52and was like,
17:52oh, Killin' Mike.
17:53They were fans of the record
17:54that was out at the time
17:55called Actions on Outkast,
17:56a criminal label.
17:57Shouts out to Big AndrĂŠ.
17:59So I went,
17:59and all her friends,
18:00you know,
18:00the homegirls was cute
18:01and they was cool
18:02and whatnot,
18:02but I seen this one chick
18:03at the end
18:04sitting down
18:05like not recognizing my G.
18:07And I was like,
18:07She's unbothered?
18:08Yeah, I was like,
18:08what's up?
18:10I was like,
18:10she must be lame or blind.
18:12She don't see all this
18:13fly in front of her.
18:14So I went up to a plate
18:16and ate a shrimp off of it
18:17and she decided
18:18I was just a pig
18:19and she didn't want to talk to me.
18:20I was rude.
18:21She blessed me out, child.
18:24You did not get
18:24that phone number, did you?
18:25No.
18:26You did not.
18:27You saw some shrimp?
18:29No.
18:29But I saw her like,
18:30Yeah, exactly.
18:31As long as I had been
18:32waiting on my food.
18:32Yeah, I already know.
18:33I didn't know at that time
18:34my wife was crazy.
18:36Like, you know what I'm saying?
18:36I didn't understand that
18:37she had a thing
18:39with restaurants
18:39and eating her food.
18:40I just, nuts, child.
18:42We'll talk about that.
18:43But I saw her a year later.
18:47A year later,
18:48I saw her at a private party
18:50at Big Boy's house
18:51and a radio friend of hers.
18:53You know, radio guys
18:53try to keep pretty girls around.
18:55My wife and this guy
18:56were really good friends.
18:57Bo, man.
18:58Bo, what's Bo's like?
18:58Bo, I don't know.
18:59Bo Money.
19:00Yeah, Bo Money.
19:01Bo Money's a great guy.
19:02He was an early supporter of mine.
19:03He just had talked good about me to her.
19:05She had hated on me.
19:07He said,
19:07No, you gotta meet Killer Mike again.
19:09He's a nice guy.
19:10And at the party,
19:10she walks in with a girl
19:11I had been with before.
19:13Oh, uh-oh.
19:14That's you about to run up
19:15on strike, too.
19:16Like the night before.
19:18Yeah, I was like,
19:19I was like,
19:20Oh.
19:20This is juicy.
19:21Where's the team?
19:21My first thought was,
19:22Oh, my God.
19:23There's that beautiful girl
19:24from Florida.
19:25At first, I noticed,
19:26like, she had beautiful eyes.
19:27She had red hair,
19:28which I'm going to suck red.
19:29And she had,
19:29I was like,
19:30Yes.
19:31I didn't know.
19:32And then, like,
19:33Side note,
19:34he had me in his phone
19:35as Big Tee the girl.
19:37Yes!
19:37Like, really high.
19:38Great niggies
19:39actually when I had me.
19:40And I saw,
19:41like,
19:41the girl I had just been with,
19:43just on some fun,
19:44you know,
19:44I hadn't lied to her,
19:45no,
19:45we were just having fun at the club.
19:47And I was just like,
19:48Oh, they're friends.
19:49Uh-oh.
19:50Oh, I have to lie now.
19:53So,
19:53so I went literally
19:55and ducked off in the corner
19:56and for the whole party,
19:57I just looked like a church boy.
19:58I looked like a square.
19:59So,
19:59she developed a different opinion.
20:01So,
20:01I thought that was good.
20:02Yeah.
20:03Oh,
20:03because he was on his best behavior.
20:04Oh.
20:05So,
20:05she asked,
20:06she said,
20:06he was acting way back.
20:07She asked me,
20:08she says,
20:08this young lady says,
20:09you know her?
20:10And I was like,
20:11what?
20:11Nah.
20:12I don't know.
20:15But it's only because
20:16I just wanted to get to know her.
20:17Like,
20:18I finally made it like a year or two ago.
20:19Like,
20:20you kept it real.
20:21Like,
20:21eight,
20:21nine,
20:22ten years ago.
20:22Yeah.
20:24So,
20:24how did he finally win you over?
20:26Big baby.
20:27Because I knew I wanted to marry
20:28the first two weeks of her
20:29actually getting to know me.
20:30I heard men always do,
20:31they always know.
20:32No,
20:33look,
20:33I actually,
20:34when I found out what apartment
20:36she lived in,
20:37I had dated a girl
20:37in the back of apartment.
20:38I went to that girl like,
20:39look,
20:40I'm not going to get to see you anymore.
20:43Because there's this girl
20:44at the front of the apartment
20:45and I just,
20:45I think I'm in love.
20:47And she looked at me like,
20:48how long you know?
20:48I was like,
20:48a week.
20:50I asked her to marry me
20:51two weeks in
20:52and she looked at me
20:53and she said,
20:55she looked in the mirror,
20:55I'll never forget,
20:56and she looked at me through
20:57and said,
20:57what makes you think
20:58I want to marry you?
20:58You crushed me.
20:59You killed me.
20:59You never forgot.
21:00I never,
21:01I mean,
21:01it hurt me.
21:01See,
21:01it hurt me to see it
21:02because it was a date.
21:04And then we spent
21:04the next two,
21:05three years
21:05just kind of dating each other
21:06and, you know,
21:07being club buddies
21:08and her breaking my heart.
21:10Well,
21:10obviously your instincts
21:11were right.
21:11I love it.
21:12I love it.
21:12That's a good,
21:13cute,
21:13that's a cute,
21:14me cute.
21:15That's the truth.
21:16What's your side?
21:17This,
21:17there's a his side.
21:18First of all,
21:18I was telling the story
21:19that you noticed
21:20that there was one girl
21:21that was to the parties.
21:22Yeah.
21:22Right?
21:22So then there's
21:23a whole nother girl
21:24that lives in the apartment.
21:25Right.
21:25Did you catch that?
21:26Yes.
21:31I'm trying to win championships.
21:33Yeah,
21:34you got the draft.
21:35Everybody don't make the lead.
21:36I was counting quietly over here.
21:38He was just playing,
21:39you know,
21:39just distributing.
21:41And that's all I was,
21:42like,
21:42keep playing.
21:44I want to marry him.
21:47I do want to get serious
21:48just quickly as we,
21:49you know,
21:50finish about
21:51we are taping
21:52on Trayvon Martin's birthday.
21:55He would have been 24
21:55today.
21:57And just,
21:58Killer Mike,
22:00I don't know,
22:00I mean,
22:00I always look at you
22:01and I'm like,
22:02he has the answers.
22:03He has the answers.
22:05What should the black community
22:06do,
22:07Killer Mike?
22:08You know,
22:08just like,
22:09and thinking about
22:09how your father
22:10was a police officer
22:11and then,
22:12you know,
22:12but you're very vocal
22:13about him.
22:14My cousins are currently
22:15a police officer.
22:15Yeah?
22:15My cousin on SWAT
22:16in Atlanta
22:17and another cousin
22:17who's a commander
22:18out of East Point.
22:19Yeah.
22:19I don't personally,
22:20I don't personally believe
22:21people who don't look like
22:22me should police me
22:23and be police in my community.
22:25I don't really believe
22:26in people who live outside
22:27of the community
22:28police in those communities,
22:29period.
22:29So I'm not a big advocate,
22:31even if you're a black person.
22:32If you're a black person
22:33and you haven't grown up
22:34in circumstances
22:35like the policing
22:36or you don't understand
22:37and get out your car,
22:38you shouldn't do it,
22:39which is why one reason
22:39I tip my hat
22:40to Tommy Norman,
22:41who's up in North Little Rock
22:42in Arkansas.
22:43He's a policeman.
22:44I helped bring the national,
22:45I talked about him
22:46on CNN
22:46on the Brooklyn Show.
22:47But there's a nobility
22:50in policing teaching
22:51and being a fireman.
22:52And if you don't honor
22:53that nobility,
22:53you should not be it.
22:55So I'm a firm believer
22:55in once a cop has one strike
22:57and it's violence
22:58or abusing the proletariat
23:00in any way,
23:00they should be gone.
23:02But in matters of Trayvon,
23:03he's the same age
23:04as my oldest son is.
23:06And when I think about it,
23:07I get angry.
23:08I get angry.
23:09You know,
23:10I get angry in particular
23:11at Zimmerman.
23:12I get angry at the courts
23:13and how they failed
23:14their parents.
23:15But I'm angry at society
23:16for, you know,
23:17keep acting like these things
23:18are just happening
23:19to pop up
23:19or they're just once in a while.
23:20We know that it is
23:22legitimately easier
23:23to kill black people
23:24in this country,
23:25in particular black boys
23:26since they're engaged
23:27by the police force.
23:29And at some point
23:29as the proletariat
23:30and not everyone,
23:32black people are going
23:32to have to make a firm stance
23:34that, you know,
23:35is more than just marching
23:36and hands up
23:37and we're going to have
23:37to do something for real.
23:38Now, I don't know
23:39what that is.
23:40I don't know
23:40if that's making sure
23:41police pensions
23:43can be attacked
23:43if they do that.
23:44I don't know
23:44if that leads to,
23:46you know.
23:46You have to change laws.
23:47Yeah.
23:48You know,
23:48or, or, or,
23:49or we're going
23:51to have to punish
23:52the system.
23:53You know,
23:54and I mean
23:54absolutely punish them.
23:56And how do you
23:57punish the system?
23:57Dick Gregory was a proponent
23:59of not spending money
24:00on Christmas.
24:01If our children are dying,
24:02we're going to keep
24:03our dollar out
24:04of the bigger economy
24:05and the bigger economy
24:06is going to suffer.
24:07We're going to find out
24:08who the prosecutors are
24:09and we're going to vote
24:10them out of office
24:10and the judges
24:11and we're going
24:12to make them suffer.
24:13You can use this system
24:14to make people suffer
24:15that have bring suffering
24:16to you.
24:17Because I fear
24:18what's going to happen
24:18if that doesn't happen,
24:20then what's going to happen
24:21is our people are going
24:21to become frustrated
24:22enough to become violent.
24:24And as a policeman,
24:25you have to think
24:25a lot of times
24:26when you're in the middle
24:26of an arrest,
24:27you're on the ground,
24:27you're back into the crowd.
24:29A lot of times
24:29it's just easy
24:30to slip it up right behind
24:31you and put a bullet
24:32behind your ear.
24:32I have policing
24:34in my family
24:34and I don't want
24:35to see that happen.
24:36I wish to see policemen
24:37serve the community
24:38and the greater community
24:39like they should.
24:40So we're going to have
24:41to root out these bad apples
24:42because if not,
24:43you're going to turn
24:43the public against the police
24:45in a way that's hyper-violent
24:46in a way that nothing
24:47but bloodshed happens.
24:48And I don't want to see that.
24:50That's not effective yet,
24:51either.
24:51We have to find
24:52an effective means.
24:53One of the most effective means
24:54is in polishing your legislators,
24:56punishing your legislators.
24:57If you get hurt
24:58in a municipality
24:59or the policemen
25:00or not fair,
25:01you should be attacking
25:01your politicians.
25:03And what I mean attacking
25:03is withdrawing your vote
25:04and increasing your boycott
25:06of something.
25:07There should be
25:07an economic response
25:08to these things, right?
25:10If you're not going
25:10to take to the streets
25:11and cause mass violence
25:12and riot and burn stuff down,
25:14you can quietly sit at home
25:15and not spend a dollar
25:16in the local economy.
25:17And once you start to do that,
25:18you're going to start
25:19to see things change.
25:20Once you see votes coming up
25:21for who's going to be
25:22the next prosecutor,
25:23you can run.
25:24You can run people
25:25who are like-minded with you.
25:27If a mayor,
25:28I just heard,
25:28Cory Booker this morning
25:32when asked by Charlemagne,
25:34do you have an agenda
25:35for black people?
25:36You did a wonderful job
25:37of curbing that question.
25:39If you can't answer
25:39that question,
25:40you can't get my vote.
25:42It's that simple.
25:43And we have to become
25:44that determined
25:44because if we're not
25:45that determined,
25:46you're going to wear,
25:47you're going to wear,
25:47you're going to allow
25:48an abusive boyfriend
25:49to come back
25:50because that's been
25:50our relationship
25:51with law enforcement.
25:52Like an abusive lover?
25:53Yeah, absolutely.
25:53With this country, period.
25:55And at some point,
25:55we're going to make a stand
25:56and be Tina Turner
25:57at the end of the movie
25:58but we can't keep
25:59being Tina Turner
26:00at the beginning
26:00in the middle of the movie.
26:01We cannot keep allowing this.
26:03My thing is
26:04what I would like to see
26:05of us do it lawfully
26:06but I'm telling America
26:07if things don't start happening
26:09to the favor of black people
26:10in the working class,
26:11period,
26:11black or white,
26:12lawfully,
26:12you're going to eventually
26:14see violence in the streets.
26:16And I don't want to see that.
26:17But, okay,
26:17speaking to the frustrations,
26:19right,
26:19because all of this
26:20is a pent-up frustration
26:21and energy
26:21for the oppression
26:23that we see
26:24and we face,
26:25I look at social media
26:26and the world
26:27and I see how divided we are.
26:28And you often speak
26:29about how we have to
26:30find a way to come together
26:31and do this together.
26:32But it's so hard
26:33to come together
26:34when we're not together.
26:35Everything we're doing
26:35is on social media.
26:37Everything we're doing
26:37we're not face-to-face.
26:38We're not really talking.
26:39We're typing.
26:40Our fingers are doing all the,
26:42you know,
26:42and I'm always like,
26:43how do we do that now
26:44in a world
26:45where we're not even
26:45looking at each other?
26:47How do we come together
26:48in a world
26:48where it's so much easier
26:49to just throw hate
26:49at somebody's comment section?
26:51You know,
26:51throw hate at someone's retweet
26:53or whatever
26:54and not even make eye contact
26:55with people
26:56who are different
26:56than us in the streets
26:57and then hold on
26:58and harbor all that anger.
26:59I say get out
27:00and meet people.
27:01Everyone should.
27:02We're not doing that.
27:03I mean,
27:03but I can't help,
27:04you know,
27:04like my thing.
27:05I just,
27:05I've come to realize,
27:07you know,
27:07my grandfather,
27:07I used to tell him
27:08all the time,
27:09he used to argue.
27:09You read the autobiography
27:11of Malcolm X,
27:11you think you're
27:12the next revolutionary.
27:13You know,
27:13like Poppy,
27:14why aren't you doing this
27:15or why aren't you
27:15in an uproar?
27:16He just used to simply
27:17say to me,
27:17you know,
27:18our people are not ready.
27:19You know,
27:20because when you're ready,
27:21you're going to organize,
27:21you're going to do it,
27:22you're going to get it done.
27:23You know what I mean?
27:23And if you're not ready,
27:25that's fine,
27:25but you can't keep
27:27acting ready
27:28and not be ready.
27:29It's not good enough
27:30to be angry on Twitter
27:31or angry on IG.
27:33Pride is not something
27:34that happens in February.
27:34It's an actionable thing.
27:35You have to do it
27:36every single day.
27:36You know,
27:37my wife hires contractors.
27:39She vets out
27:40three to four black contractors
27:41before she hires anyone.
27:43She tries her best
27:44to keep that dollar
27:45in our community.
27:45You have to be
27:46an active agent for change
27:47or you're just bullshitting.
27:49And if you're bullshitting,
27:49that's fine
27:50because it's easy
27:51to be mad on Twitter.
27:52You know,
27:52it's easy to be in a pep rally
27:53yelling for your team
27:54and we want them to win
27:55and then after the game,
27:56it don't much matter to you.
27:57But if you're really
27:58on the ground level,
27:59if you're really like
27:59Amina Matthews,
28:00if you're really like
28:01Big U out in LA,
28:02you know,
28:02if you're really about
28:03the Free Hoover Project,
28:04then it becomes something
28:05that consumes you.
28:06I've been an activist
28:06since I was 15 years old.
28:07I don't want to be an activist.
28:09I want to smoke weed,
28:09go to strip clubs
28:10and kick it with my wife.
28:11But I'm compelled
28:12to do what's right
28:13because no one else
28:15will do it.
28:15Everyone else just on Twitter
28:16yelling at each other.
28:17You know,
28:18my wife,
28:18I remember a few years ago,
28:20well, she was just like,
28:20you know,
28:21we're not going to sit home
28:21on the holidays, buddy.
28:22We're going to do
28:23Jose's Feed the Homies.
28:24I'm like,
28:24what you talking about?
28:24I did that as a kid.
28:25She's like,
28:26nah, the family,
28:26we going out there.
28:28You know,
28:28it was enough of her to say,
28:30I appreciate this
28:31and do well,
28:31but she was like,
28:32we could give money,
28:33but we need to be present.
28:35And since then,
28:35it's something we've
28:36continued to do.
28:37So you got to be a doer
28:38and not just a talker
28:39or a typer
28:40because the boycotts
28:41didn't happen
28:42because people was at home
28:43writing about it
28:43in the newspaper.
28:44The boycotts happened
28:45because people walked to work.
28:46And mail in letters
28:46to each other about it.
28:48It's true.
28:49Oh, my goodness.
28:51You know we can talk
28:51to you too.
28:52I was going to say,
28:53y'all should probably
28:53talk to her.
28:54She's far more
28:54interesting than me.
28:58Are we done talking?
28:59I hope not.
28:59I hope you're talking.
29:00I'm going to be fine.
29:02You have to come back,
29:04Trey,
29:04and give us,
29:05like,
29:05we'll have the one-on-one
29:06with you
29:06and have a moment.
29:07Ladies only.
29:09Yeah, do that.
29:09That would be nice.
29:10Yeah.
29:11I can then do
29:12hood rat shit
29:13with my ratchet friend.
29:15You are officially
29:16invited back
29:17for the kiki.
29:18Okay.
29:19I do love
29:19how you talk about
29:20the gangster
29:21in the community
29:22because my mother
29:23was one of those people
29:23who used to always say to me,
29:25you got to have friends
29:25in high and low places.
29:27Yeah.
29:27You always got to have
29:28that one friend.
29:29My mother sold cocaine.
29:30No guy who knows the guy.
29:32You know what I mean?
29:33Denise got caught
29:33buying 20 kilos of cocaine
29:35when I was 15 years old.
29:38She also was a florist
29:39that owned her own business
29:40and art.
29:41So it's like,
29:41I want people to understand,
29:43you know,
29:43the black side.
29:44I met with a bank president
29:45two months ago.
29:46And he said,
29:46Michael,
29:46our community was stronger
29:47when not only working class
29:48and poor people
29:49took care of their finances,
29:50but when we also took care
29:51of each other
29:52in terms of the numbers man
29:53and the probation man.
29:54You're not going to get me
29:55to celebrate George John
29:56and get me to shame Rick Ross.
29:58What is the numbers man?
29:59I'm sorry.
30:00Is my black card
30:01going to go fast on that?
30:01Before there was a state lotto
30:05where you could go play the number,
30:07your grandmother
30:07would have these dream books.
30:09You may have seen
30:09dreams.
30:10And to tell you
30:11what it means,
30:11the interpretation.
30:12Yeah.
30:12Those people would then
30:13take a three-sided number
30:14and after the stock market failed,
30:16I don't know how they
30:16took it from the stock market,
30:18they would get whatever
30:18today's number was out of that.
30:20So what it was
30:21was the numbers man
30:21would have a network
30:22of 40, 50 people
30:23in the neighborhood
30:24who would book numbers.
30:25So you would come
30:26to my grandmother,
30:27you would book a number
30:28with her,
30:28you would give her a dollar,
30:29you say,
30:29I'm going to pay
30:30a dollar straight,
30:31I'll save you,
30:31play three, two, one.
30:32I want a dollar straight
30:33on three, two, one,
30:34give me another dollar box.
30:35That means however it falls.
30:36If you fall one, two, three,
30:37you just get 250
30:38instead of 500.
30:40So my grandmother
30:40and a bunch of her friends,
30:42they would do that
30:42and policy with it.
30:43You'd have a number policy,
30:44policy with a number man.
30:45If you hit,
30:46you got paid.
30:47If not,
30:47it just went into the circle.
30:49So it was like
30:49the independent lottery
30:50for black folks?
30:51Yeah, well,
30:52it was where the lottery
30:52got the idea from.
30:54And so your community
30:56was stronger
30:56when there was a numbers man
30:58or a liquor runner
30:58because all these marches
31:00weren't funded
31:01by bourgeoisie black people.
31:03You know,
31:03somebody had to fund
31:04these marches
31:04and rent these buses
31:05and get these people food.
31:07And oftentimes,
31:07it was those people.
31:08You know,
31:09even if you look
31:09at the crack era,
31:11these young men
31:11became business people.
31:12These young men
31:13were some of the first people
31:14who started record labels
31:15and clothing stores
31:15and things of that nature
31:17and brought us here.
31:17So I'm just saying
31:18that black people, man,
31:19even in Black History Month,
31:20celebrate all of you.
31:21You know,
31:22the same way you celebrate
31:23white gangsters
31:24and Mexican gangsters
31:25and South American gangsters,
31:27celebrate your own gangsters
31:28because they've actually
31:28brought something
31:29to your community.
31:30I knew Charlotte Low
31:30when he was a drug dealer
31:31because I was a drug dealer.
31:33You know,
31:34we were from rival neighborhoods
31:35and we hadn't been friends.
31:36But that,
31:37if it had not been for him,
31:38you would not have seen
31:39the explosion
31:40of acts
31:42that came after him
31:43that now people
31:43call mumble rappers.
31:44You wouldn't have had
31:45D4L.
31:45You wouldn't have had
31:47the Lean With It Rock
31:48With It Was.
31:48You know what I mean,
31:49the rock star.
31:50But you never would have
31:50had those groups
31:51because he took money
31:52and invested in a studio
31:53and all that kind of cool.
31:54You know what I mean?
31:54So he used to be celebrated
31:56and champion for that,
31:57you know,
31:57I believe.
31:58You know,
31:58if T.I.
31:58hadn't been a young man,
32:00you know,
32:00happy related to
32:01Masai's older son,
32:02who was a father
32:03trapping with his new child,
32:05if he wouldn't have
32:05got inspired to say,
32:06let me take these experiences
32:07and put on music,
32:08you wouldn't have
32:08trap music,
32:09which is now
32:09the biggest music
32:10in the world.
32:11So for me,
32:11I just find positivity
32:13in everything I've done
32:14and good and the bad.
32:15And I think as a community,
32:16we should be trying
32:17to focus on how to go
32:18to Bumpy Johnson Steakhouse
32:19versus Peter Lugar.
32:20I don't have a problem
32:21with Peter Lugar,
32:22but that should be
32:22a Bumpy Johnson Steakhouse.
32:23There should be an option
32:24for me to go
32:24to great, great meat.
32:26You know,
32:26black folks know how
32:26to cook meat.
32:27That's why barbecue restaurants
32:28don't know how to business,
32:29you know?
32:29So I'm just saying that
32:30like our friend who's Korean,
32:32Alice,
32:33you know,
32:34we have other friends.
32:35They,
32:35we go to Koreatown
32:36and eat when we're in L.A.
32:38We go to other places,
32:39go to black neighborhoods too,
32:39but when we go there,
32:40I'm always inspired
32:41because in 1992,
32:43I remember when they were
32:43trying to burn Koreatown down.
32:45I remember those Koreans
32:46defending their side of town
32:47and now when we go there,
32:50we can do that.
32:51The Vietnamese community
32:52bounced back quicker
32:53in New Orleans
32:54than any other community,
32:55sleeping nine people
32:56to a floor
32:56saying we don't need a TV yet.
32:58We can do that,
32:58but you're going to have
32:59to become so focused,
33:00so angry
33:02at the way you've been treated
33:03that you become determined
33:04to succeed no matter what.
33:06If you're not willing
33:07to do that,
33:08then, you know,
33:08you just accept your slavery
33:09how you accept it,
33:10but, you know,
33:10for me,
33:11my wife and I have chosen,
33:13you know,
33:13the path of independence
33:14and that's where we're going to be.
33:16That's where we're going to go.
33:17I can't,
33:17I can't play second
33:18and shucking and jiving
33:19for nobody or any of that,
33:20so, you know,
33:21it's a harder road we pick,
33:22but this is the road
33:23we own together.
33:23I'm glad I have
33:24as a partner.
33:26Love it.
33:26I love it.
33:27And we need all types
33:28of my love goals, y'all.
33:29We need to see all of this.
33:32Thank you, guys.
33:32Thank you for having us.
33:33We really appreciate it.
33:34I'm going to sit her
33:35back by herself, too.
33:36Yes.
33:37We will walk to her
33:38with open arms.
33:39All right.
33:40Leave me back.
33:41Oh, yeah,
33:41you know what?
33:42Mm-hmm.
33:42Bye.
33:43I need you to move it
33:44around, Brooklyn.
33:45You'll be the army
33:46of a pole.
33:48Thank you, guys.
33:49Thank you, guys.
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