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In an exclusive interview with India Today's Geeta Mohan and Marya Shakil, American journalist Tucker Carlson spoke on a wide range of issues, including the US-India trade deal and the role of social media.
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00:01In a polarized world where journalism is being questioned, free thinking, independent
00:11thinking also being questioned, I'm being joined by a personality who's been known
00:17across the world for his independent thinking from American prime time to now being a part
00:23of an independent global platform, his own. At that, he has commanded the views and the
00:32opinions of people across the globe. He's influenced views and opinions across the globe and has
00:39also received the fiercest kind of criticism. I'm being joined by Tucker Carlson and with
00:44me to have a conversation with Tucker is my colleague, Maria Shakil. Tucker, thank you
00:50so much for doing this for the network.
00:51The fiercest criticism.
00:53Fiercest criticism. We will talk about that, but how do you look at this new environment,
01:00new age of journalism, new age of geopolitics, new age of politics itself? You come from
01:06America, everything's changing by the hour. Where journalism is being questioned?
01:11Well, I see it as all connected. I don't think you can disconnect journalism from the system
01:18of government, from the monetary system. All of it was kind of laid in place at the end
01:22of World War II, the fabled post-war order, and journalism was the propaganda department
01:27for that. And that whole system is changing. Every part of that system is changing in real
01:34time, very, very quickly. And so, of course, you're going to need a new structure, a new set
01:39of institutions to describe what you're seeing. You can't use the old ones because they're
01:46too vested in the old system and they lie. And so it doesn't surprise me at all that you
01:51see a whole new media landscape, which there's good and there's bad, but basically it's necessary
01:57in order to chronicle what we're living through.
02:00The old school journalism, or should I say the mantra of journalism is see it, say it. What
02:06you're seeing, you have to say it, right? You've often said that mainstream media lies.
02:12Yes.
02:13Yes.
02:14Then how is that different from, you know, those who have taken to YouTube or other platforms
02:22who will be seen as perhaps influencers also looking at a part of their own ideology? They
02:30are also catering to an ecosystem.
02:32Well, for sure. I mean, first of all, people lie at every time and every age because people
02:37are flawed and dishonesty is a kind of default for people and you have to fight against that
02:42impulse. But I think what we're seeing structurally is a change in the following way. The media,
02:47at least in the West, was designed from the end of the Second World War to bolster, to protect,
02:54to perform, you know, a wall around, a hedge around the people in power, defend the system,
02:59defend the Federal Reserve, defend the Congress, defend the executive, defend the CIA, defend
03:04military, defend NATO, whatever, whatever structures define the society. And it was
03:09mostly the ones I just mentioned. And all of those structures are undergoing massive changes.
03:15And so you can't rely on like a regime media outlet like NBC News, which was a big, used
03:21to be, I used to work there with big U.S. news organization to describe what you're watching
03:25now because they can't tell the truth about it. They work for those institutions.
03:29But then are you speaking truth to power? I'm trying. You know, you try your best. You
03:34know, there are certain things, and I think anyone in this business knows, there are certain
03:38moments where you're thinking, you know, what's the penalty for telling the truth in this,
03:42in this case? You know, there's never a penalty for lying. No one is ever punished for lying.
03:47It's telling the truth about something that can get you put in jail or killed. So, you know,
03:51it's a test of your courage, but you try to, for sure.
03:55But you know, Tucker, I followed. I followed your journalism. I followed what you did when you were
04:00in Fox. And everybody said, the fiercest criticism that we were talking about, and everybody said you
04:05are anti-establishment because you were questioning the Biden administration. But lo and behold,
04:10you have also questioned policies of the Trump administration on Russia, on Israel and Gaza.
04:16I didn't imagine that really happened. But you have questioned. You're questioning government
04:22policies where it matters the most. Of course. I question my own judgments. I mean, no one is above
04:28being questioned. And by the way, questioning something or disagreeing with something is not an
04:32attack. You know, I don't like your opinion. It's not the same as I hate you. That's true.
04:36At all. I love Trump. I campaign for Trump. I don't agree with this administration's
04:42Israel policy. I think it's terrible for the United States. It's terrible for the world.
04:46But it doesn't mean I don't love Trump. I do. I mean, that's okay. I have a huge family.
04:50These are the conversations that we have at our house every day. But I think, to the extent
04:54that you can, and it's not always easy, but you want to push yourself to tell the truth
04:57about the things that matter. I don't have to tell the whole truth about everything.
05:00I don't have to say, your shoes are ugly. I don't need to say that.
05:03But what about Trump's weaponization of tariffs? The fact that he's using tariffs, do you think
05:10it's in America's interests? Because we have seen many deals come through, including the
05:15India-U.S. trade deal.
05:17And I've tried to be honest about this. You know, tariffs haven't been used in the United
05:22States in many, many generations. And I could be boring. I won't. But in one sentence, the
05:28entire sort of American understanding of tariffs among professional economists is they're bad.
05:34And then Trump, kind of out of nowhere, he promised to do this, but he actually did it earlier this
05:39year, announced, Liberation Day, we're going to use tariffs both to raise money for the
05:43U.S. Treasury, but also as a tool of diplomacy. And I think the jury's out. I don't think we
05:48know. I want it to work because I'm an American. I think we'll know in, you know, maybe a hundred
05:54years whether it worked. But I want it to. I'll tell you that.
05:58But the nature of punitive tariffs that were imposed on India, 25% only because India chose to
06:03deal with and maintain its relationship with Russia.
06:09Well, as I've said many, many times, and I mean it, I think the United States, our foreign policy
06:16establishment has been very foolish and has hurt the United States very badly by trying to isolate
06:22Russia. They haven't isolated Russia. They've just driven Russia to China into a close relationship with
06:26India and this region, the Middle East. It's been terrible for the United States. So I'm strongly in
06:30favor of engaging with Russia as soon as possible on a deep level. So there's that. But I would also say
06:36what you already know, since you're from a country in which people negotiate when they buy things, that
06:42there's an opening bid and there's the real bid. That's true. Of course. So I came in and I'm going to,
06:47kind of, it's 100% tariff. You know, we kind of talk through what we each wanted.
06:51Which is what Trump has done.
06:53Exactly.
06:55It's a rare thing. We have two people over here sitting who have actually interviewed the Russian
07:01president. Yes.
07:02Tucker did it eight months before we did it. We did it at the end of the year. It was a fantastic
07:07end for the India Today network because we ended with a bang. No interview gets bigger than Putin.
07:14There are a lot of misconceptions, Tucker, when it comes to President Putin, when it comes to how Russia
07:19is dealing with the world. Yes. And why Russia is dealing in the way it is dealing with the world.
07:24What was your opinion of Putin? What were the key takeaways? I have seen a bit of what you said,
07:33but tell our viewers. I mean, my standard for leadership is the same, whether I'm assessing a father
07:39or a general in a military or the president of a country. How are your people doing?
07:44Putin is very easy to judge because he's been there for 26 years. He's one of the longest,
07:49he's the longest serving leader of a big country by far. And Russia is by every single measure
07:55in infinitely better shape now than it was 26 years ago. Russia has also managed, and this is a question
08:00for all of us who live in countries with diverse populations, including India. He's managed this population
08:0620% Muslim, 20% Muslim. Not many people know that. And it's the largest country in the world.
08:12That's right. And spread across like 11 time zones or something. And he's kept that country unified.
08:17He had two wars against Chechnya within his borders. It's a Muslim Republic. He's now close
08:23to the Chechen leaders. He is a cohesive, multi-racial, multi-religious society. How do you do that?
08:31That is the most impressive feat he has achieved. Our leaders have not done that. So I admire that.
08:37And so before any other consideration of Putin, I ask like, how did you do that? I have to,
08:42whether I like him or not, agree with him or not, I have to tip my head in respect and I'm willing to.
08:47I'm happy to.
08:48He gave you a 40 minute lesson. And he gave 100 minutes to you, Umita.
08:54Yeah. 100 minutes to me, but three hours to him. Of which 40 minutes, the first 40 minutes were just history of Russia.
09:01It was so interesting. I was a little bit confused at first. I, it's hard to overstate how ignorant I am, but I learned how ignorant I was.
09:07You know, Tucker, because you know, both of you have interviewed one of the most, uh, mysterious, should I say, world leaders that is Vladimir Putin.
09:17Uh, this kind of unparalleled access that you have had with presidents, with billionaires, many would say that, is that, uh, really not in sync with your independent thinking?
09:30And how close, how important is it for you to sit across with these leaders to know their minds?
09:37Well, I think it's essential. And I have many more conversations off camera that I have on camera because I think you learn a lot.
09:44I just recently had a meal with someone who runs the country and there were no cameras. I didn't want cameras.
09:49I just want to understand how the world is changing. We're living in the middle of a total transformation of the world on every level.
09:56And we just happen to be born at a time when we can see this. And I want to understand it. That's my number one goal.
10:02I want to understand it so I can tell people what's going on. And so I can tell my family and so I can know.
10:07And so it's essential to talk to people. And I actually find the least interesting conversations are the ones that are televised because everyone is on guard.
10:16And, but if you're talking to someone with no one around and they can tell you the truth, it's amazing.
10:21You can really understand, but you cannot understand anything by reading social media all day.
10:26You have to get out. And we're so blessed because we're paid to do it.
10:29Many would say that's access journalism.
10:33I don't know what that, I mean, I want as much access as I can get because I want as much understanding as I can get.
10:38And I want to be as honest as I can about what I learn.
10:42If you're not gaining out of that access, then it's informed journalism to me.
10:46I've never taken a dollar from anybody.
10:48Then it's informed journalism because unless and until you have access and you're engaging somebody, you're getting your information out.
10:56We had a funny conversation the other, this was recent.
10:59Somebody said one of my producers was setting up an interview or a meal with someone.
11:03And the person said, the person's assistant is a powerful person said, I don't think we can afford to pay.
11:08And my assistant, my producer goes, we're not, we don't take any money.
11:13We're not here for money. We just want to know what's going on.
11:16I do think there are a lot of people who take money and I think they discredit our business.
11:20I don't think you should take money. I understand everyone needs money.
11:23But I think if you take money, you should admit you took money.
11:27Yes.
11:28Don't lie. Lying, lying is the one thing we're not allowed to do.
11:30So among all the leaders that you have interviewed, who do you think came across as perhaps most direct and honest?
11:39Well, that would be off camera.
11:41I mean, there are a couple of them I know pretty well who are so smart.
11:45And I wish they were Western leaders, but they're not.
11:48And I grieve. I am very Western.
11:50I mean, my ancestors are from Europe. I live in the United States.
11:53I'm never leaving. I'm not from the global south.
11:56I'm from the global far north. Okay. So that's just who I am.
11:59And I wish we had great leaders. And we have had a lot of great leaders in the past.
12:03William the Conqueror was a great leader.
12:05But we don't have a lot of them right now.
12:08And you go to some of these other countries, particularly in this region right here,
12:11the Middle East or India, whether you like Modi or not.
12:14Modi's impressive. Nobody doubts that.
12:16So let's talk about Prime Minister Modi.
12:18The India-U.S. deal has been cracked finally after a lot of tension and stress.
12:23Do you think...
12:24Did you ever doubt that?
12:26I thought it will take a little while longer than a sudden announcement that happened when we were here in Dubai last night.
12:33And suddenly the two leaders spoke. Then he posted...
12:37So the two leaders spoke and Trump posted a pic of the India Today cover.
12:41Yes.
12:42The magazine cover.
12:43And the entire industry, TV, news industry as also business industry was abuzz.
12:50What's happening?
12:51Why this post?
12:52And then 10 minutes later, the announcement of a trade deal.
12:55Of course.
12:56Of course there was going to be a trade deal.
12:59Yeah.
13:00But do you think that changes a lot of how America is going to deal with China, with Russia and with Europe particularly, given the Russia-Ukraine war?
13:13I really think it's, as I've said, it's in the...
13:15First of all, you've got to have a deal with Russia, with China and India.
13:19It's just, that's just...
13:20I mean, that's global commerce.
13:21So that's going to happen and hopefully on terms favorable to everybody.
13:25Fair to everybody.
13:26Or as fair as you can get in a negotiation.
13:28How's it fair?
13:29He said zero oil from Russia.
13:31How's that fair?
13:32It's absurd.
13:33Isn't it?
13:34It's absurd.
13:35Why would the United States be at war with Russia?
13:37Why?
13:38And why should...
13:39And they're engaging Russia.
13:40Even dictated.
13:41They're engaging Russia in Abu Dhabi tomorrow.
13:43Joe Biden started a war with Russia.
13:45He wanted a war with Russia.
13:46I have no idea why.
13:48But as an American, I can say, we derive nothing from that.
13:52It has hurt the United States.
13:53It's hurt the U.S. dollar.
13:55The sanctions have very much hurt the U.S. dollar.
13:57People are running from the U.S. dollar because it's been politicized by Biden with these absurd sanctions.
14:02Sanctions have never helped the United States a single time.
14:04They've only hurt weak people, not helped us.
14:07So I just don't understand why so many of our...
14:10And I don't think Donald Trump feels this way.
14:11I know he doesn't.
14:12I've talked to him about it.
14:13But so many of our policymakers assume we have to be at war with Russia.
14:16And it's crazy.
14:17And it does not help the United States.
14:20I just want to say that for the 50th time.
14:22And they'll attack you.
14:23Why are you Putin puppet?
14:25I'm not a Putin puppet.
14:27I'm from California.
14:28I'm not a Putin puppet.
14:29And Tucker, you know, just to take that thought ahead, Gita, United States also can't dictate India about what should be its sovereign right to purchase oil from Russia.
14:42Of course not.
14:43And unfortunately, you know, by the way, things change very quickly.
14:48But people's understanding of reality changes a little more slowly.
14:51Yeah.
14:52Right.
14:53So there are emerging powers that have...
14:56They're not even emerging anymore.
14:57They just emerged.
14:58They are great powers.
14:59India is now a great power.
15:01And China, of course, is a great power.
15:03Russia is a great power.
15:04And I do think it takes people, not just Americans, but Europeans and everybody, a minute to sort of readjust.
15:11Like, this is not the India that we visited 25 years.
15:14This is a completely different country.
15:16And this is not a country to whom you can dictate terms.
15:20You're not in charge, actually.
15:21So you negotiate terms.
15:22Okay.
15:23So let's talk about Prime Minister Modi.
15:24Can I say one thing?
15:25If you have children, it's like they grow up and all of a sudden you realize, like, I can't tell them what to do.
15:30He could beat me up if you wanted.
15:32Absolutely.
15:33You know what I mean?
15:34Yes.
15:35Yes.
15:36Prime Minister Modi.
15:37Your take?
15:38Well, I very much hate to sort of weigh in on the politics of another country.
15:43Do you want to make a pitch?
15:45That are so complex.
15:46You did it on camera.
15:47You want to make a pitch?
15:49He's clearly an amazing person.
15:51Amazing.
15:52I've always wanted to interview him.
15:54And I...
15:55There you go.
15:56I hope I do sometime.
15:57Okay.
15:58There's a lot I don't understand.
15:59But I mean, can I say one thing?
16:01I was talking to my business partner recently about this.
16:05It's like we're living in a moment with historical leadership.
16:09Modi, Putin, MBS, MBZ, actually.
16:15Trump.
16:16I mean, these are...
16:17You know, Erdogan.
16:18I mean, these are people...
16:19Books will be written about, are being written about.
16:22Most people don't live in a time like that.
16:23They live in a time with, like, a hundred Keir Starmers.
16:26Yeah.
16:27No one will remember his name next week.
16:28Who was that guy?
16:29He's saying that.
16:30Okay?
16:31Keir Starmer's a joke.
16:32I mean, is he even a real person?
16:34You can sort of see the strings.
16:35But Modi is a real person.
16:37Erdogan's real person.
16:38Putin's real person.
16:39Trump's real person.
16:40And I just think Modi's particularly...
16:42There's something amazing about him.
16:43So, I would like to interview him.
16:44Very much.
16:45Okay.
16:46So, you know, the Prime Minister's office watches in there today very, very closely.
16:49Yes.
16:50We are the biggest network there is.
16:52I know.
16:53So, they will be watching this.
16:55And you never know.
16:56Your team could just get a call.
16:57I hope so.
16:58Having said that...
16:59Maria, go ahead.
17:00Yes.
17:01So, to all those who...
17:03You know, because you're one of the most influential global voices,
17:07you're also one of those who young journalists admire,
17:12and perhaps see you as a role model,
17:14what will you be telling them?
17:16What is propaganda?
17:17What is journalism now?
17:19Just try to tell the truth.
17:20It's hard.
17:21Just try to be honest about what you see and what you think it means.
17:24It's not complicated at all.
17:26It's just difficult.
17:27Especially when you're younger because there's so much economic pressure on you.
17:30I've been fired from so many jobs, so I know this.
17:32How many jobs?
17:33Oh, a lot.
17:34Quite of you.
17:35Not that good at math, but...
17:36Yeah.
17:37A number of jobs.
17:38And you can kind of feel...
17:40I mean, you work at a TV network.
17:41There are certain things that you sort of know you're not supposed to say,
17:44and no one tells you, but you kind of know.
17:46Yeah.
17:47And...
17:48Self-censorship.
17:49Self-censorship.
17:50That's what it's called.
17:51And I would always get too close to the line, and then, bam, you get fired.
17:53And if you have kids at home like I always had, I understand.
17:56You don't have to say everything, but try your hardest to say as much as you can that's true,
18:01and do not lie.
18:03If your boss says you must lie about something, no.
18:05I'm not doing that.
18:06Okay, can I flip that question?
18:07Yes, you can.
18:08So, there has been a lot of criticism about you and your...
18:11Oh, a lot.
18:12Oh, yes.
18:13Did you ever feel like you were...
18:14Very bad.
18:15...you were a part or you were bracketed as propaganda journalist because...
18:19Oh, yeah.
18:20...you questioned establishment back then.
18:22It was Biden and supported Trump.
18:25Well, I've been attacked in many different ways.
18:29And I think some of the criticism of me has been fair.
18:32I think I've gotten mad too often and overstated the case.
18:37Rather than, I disagree with you.
18:39It's like, you're evil!
18:40And just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean he's evil.
18:43And I feel bad about saying I supported the Iraq war.
18:45That was a disaster.
18:46I'm really sorry that I did that.
18:48I've made a lot of mistakes.
18:50Not many journalists would say that, though.
18:52Well, I mean it.
18:53Well, I did it.
18:54You can put it up if you want.
18:55I have.
18:56Please don't.
18:57No, I've made a lot of mistakes.
18:58I'm 56, so...
18:59But you should admit your mistakes.
19:00Be honest about them.
19:01And I think people understand.
19:03But you'll never believe anybody who won't admit a mistake.
19:07You have no credibility if you won't admit a mistake.
19:10Because what you're telling me is, I'm God.
19:12I'm the one infallible being in the universe.
19:15And I kind of know that's not true.
19:16Is Trump making a...
19:17Sorry.
19:18Okay, please go ahead.
19:19Is Trump making a mistake with Venezuela or with Iran?
19:22Two very different subjects.
19:23Very, very different.
19:24Take them one at a time.
19:25Well, Venezuela...
19:26Amazingly...
19:27So my instinct is always against foreign intervention.
19:30Always.
19:31Just because I covered the Iraq war and I'm still upset about it.
19:34In the case of Venezuela, he removed Maduro, but kept in place Maduro's government for the
19:39stake of stability.
19:40Now, if that holds, I think we'll have to say that's a lot better than I ever imagined.
19:46I was wrong again.
19:47That actually kind of worked.
19:49Iran...
19:50Trump has not initiated a regime change war in Iran.
19:54The consequences of attempting that are profound.
19:57I think it's impossible to imagine a Venezuela-type situation where you snatch the Ayatollah
20:02and Khomeini's gone and the country...
20:04No.
20:05We are sitting in West Asia, in the Middle East.
20:06Oh.
20:07It'll boil.
20:08It'll burn.
20:09Well, there's the energy infrastructure in the Gulf, which feeds the global...
20:13which is critical to the global economy, is vulnerable.
20:16I mean, I know it's defended and everything, but I mean, if you took out big refineries,
20:22big production facilities, I mean, you could wind up in a global depression.
20:27I'm not saying that would happen.
20:29I'm saying it could happen.
20:31And so the consequences of that intervention are very, very serious.
20:35And, of course, there's no appetite for that in the United States.
20:38This would be done purely at the behest of Israel.
20:41And I...
20:42You know, so I...
20:43Trump has not done that.
20:44I'm so grateful that he hasn't.
20:46But in general, large countries should not take orders from tiny little countries.
20:49I just think that's...
20:50Why would you do that?
20:52You know, Israel has 9 million people.
20:54We have 350 million people.
20:56Why would we take orders from you?
20:57I mean, happy to be friends with you, but I'm not going to fight your wars for you.
21:00We've done that before.
21:01We're not going to do it again.
21:02Right?
21:03Would you take orders from a country of 9 million people?
21:04Is Trump taking orders?
21:05No, he's not.
21:06He hasn't done it.
21:07And I'm so grateful that he hasn't.
21:09But I'm just saying, in general, and I'm not speaking simply of Trump, but of the US Congress,
21:12or any American policymaker, or any Indian policymaker, Pakistani policymaker, any policymaker,
21:17you should make decisions on behalf of your own population, as a father makes decisions on behalf of his own children.
21:24It's really that simple.
21:25That's the model of leadership, is paternal leadership.
21:28The father will die for his children.
21:29He does what's best for his children.
21:31That is true for heads of state as much as it is for heads of household.
21:35Has social media changed the rules of journalism?
21:40Oh my gosh!
21:41I don't even know what the rules are!
21:44I can't even know!
21:45Or how journalism is being done.
21:47Oh my gosh!
21:48I mean, yes, in every possible way.
21:50And I've already admitted how old I am, like elderly.
21:53Yeah.
21:54Right on the brink of death, I'm that old!
21:56That, to me, it's not something I grew up with at all.
21:59I was only fired less than three years ago from a television network, so this is all very new.
22:04But I'm amazed by it, and I think there are all kinds of great things about it.
22:07I think there are bad things about it.
22:09I would just say, in general, I mean, I think there are wonderful things about it.
22:12You could bring down a government with it, though.
22:15There's no doubt about that.
22:16If I were a head of state, I'd want to control social media, because you could just topple the state with it.
22:21So, I don't know how that works.
22:22Among all the platforms, which one is your favorite now?
22:25Instagram, YouTube, which one?
22:26Well, I'm American, and I'm a man.
22:28So, I'm probably not going to look at pictures of people's vacations, because that's just not my thing.
22:33So, it would be X.
22:35But I find it addictive, much more than cigarettes.
22:40I've been able to control my cigarette smoking.
22:42And I do think, if I'm being totally honest, I just want to make a pitch for cigarette smoking, which is bad.
22:46I still think it's healthier than spending all day on social media.
22:50If one of my kids said, I'm going to smoke 10 cigarettes a day, or spend 10 hours on social media, I would say, here's a lighter.
22:57No, you'd say, make it two, not 10.
23:00So, on Elon Musk, since you spoke about X.
23:03I love Elon Musk.
23:04He's an amazing person, and he's been so kind to us.
23:08I'm not attacking, look, I'm so grateful we have social media.
23:11I work on social media.
23:12I work on social media.
23:13My job is on social media.
23:14I'm for it.
23:15And I'm for cigarettes, by the way, also, too.
23:17But don't smoke 20.
23:18Smoke two.
23:19Like, moderation is a good thing.
23:21That's all I'm saying.
23:22Okay.
23:23Okay.
23:24And AI?
23:25Final question.
23:26I don't know that...
23:27Because you're here, we're here at the World Government Summit, live from Dubai.
23:30And that's one very important conversation that's going on over here.
23:35Not just AI, but AI regulation.
23:38We have presidents putting out AI videos.
23:41So, how much of a regulation is good enough and enough?
23:46I mean, the goal of regulation of AI, first of all, it needs to be international, right?
23:51You can't have it regulated by country.
23:52It just doesn't work.
23:53It has to be to keep AI from becoming autonomous and issuing orders to the global population.
24:01You don't want AI to become a monster.
24:03The machine can't rule the man, period.
24:06But governments, being what they are, will use the regulation to make sure that AI lies to their population about what they're doing.
24:12It'll become another propaganda device.
24:14And I'm very worried about that.
24:16And, in fact, AI use Google AI, type in a question to which I know the answer, and it lies to me.
24:21And I'm thinking, what?
24:23This is just more propaganda.
24:25So, I hope that we can keep it as open as we possibly can.
24:28We can keep biometrics at bay as long as we can.
24:31That's coming.
24:32And that we can remain free as long as we can.
24:35But I'm concerned about it.
24:36Aren't you?
24:37I am.
24:38Are you going to take orders from it?
24:40Not at all.
24:41Concerned?
24:42We have seen those conversations on Grok, in particular.
24:45Grok.
24:46I mean, every time, there are a lot of pictures that are put out.
24:48And concerns about pornography.
24:49Yes.
24:50So, yes.
24:51There are concerns.
24:52I'm so glad to hear you say that.
24:54There are concerns.
24:55Pornography is poison.
24:56Yes.
24:57I guess they still say that in India, in the United States, that's incredibly controversial.
24:59Yeah.
25:00Oh, what's wrong with you?
25:01You don't like pornography?
25:02No, pornography is terrible.
25:03It's terrible.
25:04It is terrible.
25:06That's Tucker Carlson for you.
25:08Completely open to anything and everything.
25:12It's a candid conversation.
25:13Unfiltered.
25:14Unfiltered.
25:15Catch it on India Today.
25:16Thank you so much, Tucker, for joining us.
25:18That was the best.
25:20Thank you for saying that about pornography.
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