00:00A pure disrespect afforded Bill Belichick by the
00:05Pro Football Hall of Fame voters and talk about that thing.
00:10That thing, the whole thing.
00:12The whole thing.
00:13Yeah.
00:14And just now, like...
00:15Didn't the NFL put out a statement or something like that?
00:19The Hall of Fame did.
00:20Oh, the Hall of Fame did.
00:20That's gonna be my lead.
00:21Is that gonna be your lead?
00:22Yeah, I won't get into it.
00:23I'm just saying, like, just now with every...
00:25Everybody going, like, what the hell?
00:28Like, everybody is just like...
00:30What the hell were those, you know, 10 plus voters thinking who didn't vote?
00:35For Bill Belichick.
00:36Yeah.
00:37I mean, you guys, like...
00:38Guys like Lawrence Taylor chiming in.
00:39Oh, everyone.
00:40Lawrence Taylor supported Bill.
00:41Now that is a shocker.
00:43You know?
00:44Well, are we gonna...
00:45Can I hear what LT said, Shine, during they said it also?
00:48Yes, definitely, Greg.
00:49Okay.
00:50Yeah.
00:51I mean, basically, everybody with a brain...
00:55thinks it's complete disrespect.
00:57Right.
00:58And it puts, I think, a lot of...
01:00A lot of people think...
01:02I don't know how much credibility the...
01:04The pro football...
01:05Hall of Fame had anyway, but...
01:07Right.
01:08It puts, for a lot of people, it completely puts...
01:10It puts that in the rear view mirror.
01:13Like, they don't...
01:14There's zero...
01:15They don't...
01:15I don't think the Hall of Fame has any credibility whatsoever.
01:17No.
01:18If they had a little bit left, that thing is completely...
01:20Completely gone.
01:21So...
01:22That doesn't...
01:23If you were playing...
01:24If you were playing...
01:25Today, as opposed to 20 years ago...
01:27Right.
01:28Um...
01:29You...
01:30That would not...
01:30Be an important thing for you to...
01:32To achieve?
01:33I mean, you would still want to achieve it, but...
01:35I think it becomes...
01:36You...
01:37The people who are voting you in...
01:40The credibility is...
01:42It...
01:43Is...
01:44Like, completely gone.
01:45You would be like, well, if I didn't get in...
01:47Is it because people didn't like me as a per...
01:50Or were they holding grudges?
01:52You know?
01:53And...
01:54Then you would be like, well...
01:55You would look...
01:55Look at your stats.
01:56I think it would become more of that.
01:58Like, where...
01:59I'm not in...
02:00Because...
02:01Somebody didn't like me for whatever reason...
02:04Other than why...
02:05It should be in...
02:06Well, here's a way to look at it...
02:08In current times...
02:09How do you...
02:10I think Eli Manning looks at it...
02:11Because...
02:12You know...
02:13Eli Manning did not get in...
02:14So...
02:15Uh-huh...
02:15How do you think Eli Manning looks at it?
02:17I...
02:18I think he looks at...
02:19Do you think he thinks he should be in...
02:20Yeah.
02:21Yeah.
02:22And I think he looks at it as this...
02:23They're jokes.
02:24Like, this is a joke.
02:25Right.
02:25And now Bill Belichick not getting in...
02:27Has solidified how big of a joke it actually is.
02:30Right.
02:31And this was going to be part of my lead as well...
02:32Where it's like...
02:33It...
02:34It backfired on all...
02:35All of these people who, in my opinion...
02:37Took this as an opportunity to have the upper hand on Bill Belichick...
02:40And they were holding personal grudges...
02:42And I know that it came out yesterday that it was all based on...
02:45Spygate...
02:46Whatever.
02:47Yeah.
02:48I just think that it backfired because nobody's talking...
02:50Talking about the fact that Bill Belichick shouldn't have gotten in...
02:54Everybody's...
02:55Talking about the fact that he should have and everybody else looks like a loser.
02:58Okay.
02:59And they're going through the list and...
03:00Making fun of every single person on that list.
03:02It's completely backfired on them.
03:03Can I ask you a question?
03:04Yes.
03:05So...
03:06The NFL Hall of Fame has elected the greatest coaches of all time.
03:09The people that vote...
03:10And Tony Dungy.
03:11These are a list of people...
03:12And Tony Dungy.
03:13Right.
03:14These are a list of coaches that were not...
03:15Got elected to the Hall of Fame on their first ballot.
03:17Vince Lombardi.
03:18What is...
03:19There's something...
03:20Being named after him.
03:21What is it?
03:22Yeah.
03:23The trophy.
03:24Okay.
03:25Paul Brown.
03:26Bill Walsh.
03:25And Jimmy Johnson.
03:26Some of the...
03:28Bill Walsh.
03:29One of the great offensive minds in the history of the NFL.
03:30Jimmy Johnson created the dynasty of the Cowboys in the 90s.
03:33Paul Brown.
03:34One of the greatest coaches in the...
03:35In the history of the sport.
03:36And Vince Lombardi.
03:37The man who's the namesake for what you get when you win it all.
03:39So like...
03:40Were there people then?
03:41Like if we had X in 1971 when people were saying that like we should throw...
03:44You know...
03:45The museum has no value anymore.
03:47It's...
03:48These people are all the dumbest people on the planet.
03:50I mean it's almost like it's sort of normal for coaches.
03:53Not to get in on their first ballot.
03:55Well none...
03:55One of the coaches that you mentioned are the top two winningest...
04:00Best coaches ever in the league.
04:01Right.
04:02None of them have as a head coach...
04:05Of six Lombardians.
04:06Right.
04:07Well I'm certain that when Paul Brown was elected at that time he was the winner.
04:10King as coach.
04:11Yeah but those guys got it.
04:12They're also five teams and they wore leather helmets.
04:14Okay.
04:15I mean...
04:16You said the winningest coach.
04:17At the time they were there they were the winningest coach.
04:19But those guys...
04:20They got in...
04:21That's like saying Bobby Orr sucked because there were six teams.
04:23It's really not.
04:24Like I think...
04:25When people look at Shula's record they think that that's...
04:28That's a record that'll never be broken.
04:29Right.
04:30But...
04:30People around here rightfully think Bill's a better coach than Shula because no matter
04:33how many wins he had he underachieved in the playoffs.
04:35And I...
04:35I think that that's...
04:36I think playoff success is far more important than regular season wins.
04:38Yeah.
04:39So I would ask the same...
04:40question that I asked you yesterday which is do you...
04:43Do you not believe that Bill Belich...
04:45Is a first ballot pro football hall of famer?
04:47If I had known this yesterday I probably would have said it's no...
04:50No big deal.
04:51If I...
04:52Like if there were context around it where you see that Vince Lombardi, Paul Brown, Bill
04:55and Jimmy Johnson were not elected on their first ballot.
04:57The pain that you see for Bill Belichick being left out...
05:00Would be somewhat subdued.
05:01Well it's also though...
05:02The process is broken.
05:03Like...
05:04The...
05:05The...
05:05The Kansas City reporter who has a hall of fame vote put out a piece about how he...
05:10didn't vote for Bill Belichick and why.
05:12And it's like yeah it had nothing to do with Spygate or that I think Belichick...
05:15doesn't deserve it.
05:16It's...
05:17Oh well these other three guys like the Lenny Craig or whatever...
05:20Roger Craig...
05:21It might get left off the ballot going forward.
05:23It's their last chance so I voted...
05:25for all three of them instead.
05:26Yeah.
05:27Like what?
05:28That's so dumb.
05:29They don't...
05:30They don't deserve to be in.
05:30Any more...
05:31Or even close to how much Bill Belichick deserves to be in.
05:34But when you start...
05:35You start to look at guys that were first ballot hall of fame.
05:37And coaches you start to see guys like Tom Landry, Chuck Knoll...
05:40Don Shula.
05:41Like Belichick other than being second behind...
05:45Don Shula in all time wins.
05:47You would look at his resume versus Landry...
05:50And Chuck Knoll and go wait a second...
05:52You would say...
05:53You would say he's a better coach.
05:54Yeah.
05:55You would say...
05:55You would say that.
05:56It's subjective always.
05:57But I don't think anybody has ever said...
06:00When we've talked about the greatest coaches of all time...
06:03I don't think there have been any people that said...
06:05No.
06:06I believe that Chuck Knoll and Tom Landry are better than Bill Belichick.
06:09I understand that.
06:10The problem becomes the historical periods in which each of these...
06:15men did their work.
06:16Like for instance, with regard to Chuck Knoll...
06:19Mm-hmm.
06:20People...
06:20People always point to those Steelers Super Bowls...
06:22Right.
06:23And say, you know, that's a dynasty and that...
06:25You know...
06:25That gives the Patriots dynasty a run for its money...
06:28And then those who...
06:30who don't agree with it go wait a minute that was you know that was the game was completely
06:35different and terry bradshaw you know uh they handed the ball off
06:40so there are arguments it would work to bill's benefit though what what do you
06:45think what era of football do you think it would be harder to be a head coach in the 70s
06:50when chuck no was coaching those steelers defenses or the you know
06:552000s when bill was coaching the players today i would think it would be the 2000s
07:00just because of all the advancements uh when it everything we talked about
07:05uh the players are are better are more athletic
07:10like uh they take care of their bodies better i would just say free agency
07:15free agency is much harder to coach nowadays where chuck no had those guys
07:20for you know if he had mean joe green for 10 years alongside jack land
07:25amber and you know you were able to to look at how some of those great great point some of
07:30those teams were built back then where it's like okay every few years guys might be leaving
07:35to get more money or the free agency error is a lot harder to coach so to
07:40be able to sustain that for as long as bill was able to do that in this
07:45error not to say that those guys weren't good coaches all i'm saying is there's
07:50no argument where you can say he doesn't deserve to be
07:55a first ballot hall of fame and anybody who tries to argue that there is they are
08:00just doing it um which they're just trying to be a contrarian they're trying to tell
08:05everybody no the sun's not out when we all see it it's sunny and 85 degrees
08:10the sun is not out and honestly honestly i wish it was i think i have frostbite in the thing
08:15too greg if you want to go back through this because on the other side of the
08:17of the sort of argument with the steelers and chuck
08:20noll jerry dulac at the pittsburgh post-gazette didn't vote for for belichick
08:25but the 70s steelers were freaking on horse steroids like those guys were cheating like crazy
08:30yeah like so you can go to any era and pick out and be like yeah they this
08:35whole team was basically you know on anabolic steroids in the 70s so yeah but i think it's a
08:40the biggest thing and when we talk about it all the time and coaches will tell you
08:43you know that coach than that
08:45is that you were able to keep guys for so long i mean you just think about
08:50the fact that terry bradshaw had lynn swan and stalwart for all those years frank
08:55harris it's just and and when you i i did i can't find
09:00anybody like that like you said that had a brain and a set of eyes on them i
09:05saw von miller going if bill belichick's not a first ballot hall of famer what does that mean for a guy
09:10like tom brady tom brady absolutely should be but i right but
09:15somebody's gonna go well deflaking maybe somebody is gonna hold maybe some of them will hold the
09:20lake gate against them i guess and then they should shut down the hall of fame
09:23and that's when
09:25they should shut it down they should close it everybody like it's over because i'm sorry and
09:30i go back to this and i understand that oj simpson was put into the hall of fame before
09:33nicole
09:35brown simpson died yes how she died we don't know um but if you have somebody like that in the
09:40hall of fame then i'm sorry let's stop talking about spygate yeah but
09:45that shouldn't matter like because that was no no no but that was well before
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