The Beauty Queen and the Catfish
Production: USA
Language: Sub: Eng
Genre: Reality, Drama, Mystery
Short description: In Season 1, Episode 3 of "The Beauty Queen and the Catfish," the investigation takes a shocking turn as a new witness steps forward with evidence that changes everything. The beauty queen confronts her deepest fears while the catfish plays a dangerous game of cat and mouse. Secrets are exposed, and the boundary between digital lies and real-life consequences becomes thinner than ever.
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Production: USA
Language: Sub: Eng
Genre: Reality, Drama, Mystery
Short description: In Season 1, Episode 3 of "The Beauty Queen and the Catfish," the investigation takes a shocking turn as a new witness steps forward with evidence that changes everything. The beauty queen confronts her deepest fears while the catfish plays a dangerous game of cat and mouse. Secrets are exposed, and the boundary between digital lies and real-life consequences becomes thinner than ever.
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00:00I
00:06Had a message on Facebook of this
00:09Random woman saying do you still use this account? She tried calling me and I was hesitant to answer
00:15but she was so persistent and
00:17then
00:18She'd send a photograph of myself asking whether this is me. So I
00:24Immediately thinking then why is this woman got a photo of me? What was her name?
00:30I'll be Jerry Pell
00:32You don't understand what's just about to happen
00:36No, I was not
00:39Oh my god, that is hamlet
00:41Go on to Facebook take her name and and then her picture came up and
00:47I was like holy fuck she works on my granddad's ward as a nurse I
00:54Was in the police station for about four or five hours their words to me where catfish is not time
01:00And then Adele had started using tinder swipe right and it came up a match
01:05I was like oh
01:08Matthew
01:09Consistently asked for
01:11Explicit nude photos. It wasn't just happening again, but it was actually getting worse
01:16I
01:18I'm instinctively knew this was a big story
01:22There was a Jekyll and Hyde side to Adele Rennie
01:25Adele was there. Adele was watching me
01:28She's not a catfish. She's just a monster
01:33Is there anything going to stop this girl?
01:35If I got a
01:51Oh
01:58Oh
02:00It was like a good year, year and a half since I'd first reported Adele to the police.
02:15Their words to me were, well, she's not done anything criminal.
02:20But we know that she's stopping people.
02:22She was physically following people.
02:24It's not just behind the computer.
02:27It did make me worry.
02:29Total anxiety the full time.
02:30We were just sitting ducks and nothing was really happening.
02:33So what's our next move?
02:41A lot of time had passed since Abby Draper contacted the newspaper.
02:48And I knew straight away that this was going to be a front page story.
02:52The police had been investigating allegations made by three different women.
02:57But as time went by, they found many more victims.
03:00And the case just continued to get bigger and bigger.
03:06And then one day I get a phone call from the police.
03:12It was like a moment where I was like, finally, like, something's happening.
03:16I remember coming home from school and there was a police car in the front of the house.
03:28Never in a million years could have imagined that I was about to walk into, you know, Adele being arrested and the two detectives sitting on the couch.
03:46They were searching the whole house, they took all of our electronics, they took my phone, they took the old laptop and just anything that Adele would have access to, they took.
04:01They had told us what she was being accused of and it was totally hard to believe because I'd never have expected for Adele to be in trouble, but especially not for charges like that.
04:17I went to the PlayStation with my dad to collect her.
04:39How did she seem?
04:41Very teary.
04:43Very teary.
04:44She was strong.
04:45She denied it?
04:46Oh, yeah.
04:47There was no reason for me to doubt Adele. I've never, ever seen Adele do anything to hurt anyone.
05:03She was a great big sister. She was happy. She had her own house. She had a job and a good job.
05:13I thought, no, it's got to be a mistake. It's got to be someone else.
05:32I got a phone call from Camarnock Police Station. Would I be willing to give a statement? And they briefly had just told me, like, what had kind of went on.
05:42They did say to me that it looked like I was her favourite because I'd received basically the most gifts.
05:48I thought to myself, hang on a second, I received the most gifts? Like, how many was there?
05:53When it reached that point where Adele Rennie had been charged, I dropped what I was doing. And I just went straight down to Camarnock Sheriff Court Press Office. And then they handed over the charges. And it was pages and pages of jaw-dropping stuff.
06:13This is a copy of the papers that I saw at Camarnock Sheriff Court.
06:19So there are a total of 18 complainers. There were 27 charges.
06:25Just one offence on its own is shocking. But to see 27 of them, I had to count through several times to make sure I had it clear in my head just how many victims there were.
06:35Charges include allegations of stalking, alleged defences committed under the Communications Act.
06:41She's accused of perverting the course of justice.
06:43In most of the cases, there's a sexual element to them.
06:45Some of the cases, the women have actually participated in sexual activity and filmed it and sent it.
06:53Yeah, that's quite a charge sheet.
06:56We'll probably never see anything like it again, to be honest.
07:04I've been in the cybersecurity industry for over 20 years.
07:08We open around 2,500 cases a month.
07:11Most don't get to court. Most don't get investigated.
07:16Last year, the conviction rate for stalkers was 1.7%.
07:22It's a horrendous experience for the victim, going to court, being involved in this process, for a very low chance of success.
07:32You know, if your perpetrator doesn't go to prison, then how safe do you feel?
07:39I wasn't able to go to court, but I had the girls from the 007 chat.
07:58They were my eyes and my ears.
08:00So I remember on that day, just being on my phone, waiting.
08:03I do remember the first time I saw Adele Rennie in court in person.
08:10Immaculately dressed, hair in perfect condition.
08:14She walked into the courtroom, supported by her family.
08:19And there wasn't a hint in her demeanour that she was facing real jeopardy.
08:26All the victims are made aware that if Adele pleads not guilty, then anyone involved basically all needs to go to court and give evidence.
08:33How did you feel about the idea that you might have to face her in court?
08:37I didn't really want to do that because you were having to relive it all, especially in front of people and in front of her.
08:43There was a part of me that thought she's going to want to see me up in court and she's going to want to watch me suffer.
08:48I have no interest in bringing this back into my life.
08:51I didn't want to stand in a courtroom and tell the story again.
08:55There was just a lot of apprehension.
08:57There was a lot of unknown, like, we know the evidence is stacked against you.
09:02Like, why would you want to plead not guilty?
09:08There comes a point where you hear the Crown's narration.
09:13That's a description of the offending, a more detailed description of offending.
09:18In this case, that narrative was lengthy, almost impossible to take in.
09:24The scale of it, the breadth and the length and the complexity of her offending,
09:29and the imagination she had to create one fictional story after another.
09:36Her demeanour changed.
09:40Adele sat with her head bowed.
09:42She must have known that her fate was sealed.
09:46And she agreed to plead guilty to 18 charges.
09:50You'd think that you would be relieved because she's pleading guilty.
10:02However, I'm sitting there knowing fine, well, she might not get prison time.
10:05I remember saying, like, I really hope she doesn't just get community service.
10:09She's a female.
10:11She looks like a nice person.
10:12Like, she looks friendly.
10:14She could get released there and then.
10:15So I'm still shitting myself.
10:17Later on in the afternoon, I got a phone call and I just remember having, like, loads and loads of adrenaline.
10:26Like, do you know that way when it's like you feel sick, like the pit of your stomach?
10:30I answered, not knowing, am I going to get told something that I want to hear or am I going to be disappointed?
10:39The sheriff who sentenced Adele Rennie made it absolutely clear that her offending warranted a prison sentence and a strong one at that.
10:51She was given 22 months.
10:53She was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for 10 years.
10:58And that's when you hear the jangle of the handcuffs and then the click when it goes round her wrist.
11:08She wept in the dock.
11:10She wasn't going to be going home with her mum or her family members that day.
11:14She left the courtroom by another door, which was going to take her for her first day in a prison cell.
11:28I thought finally we've got justice and then I found out her sentence would be automatically halved.
11:34So realistically our sentence was then 11 months.
11:38What did you think about the sentence?
11:40I don't think it's long enough. I think she needs to be in prison basically for years.
11:44For everything that she put me through that time, everything she put all the other girls through that time for me was not enough.
11:50It's nothing.
11:52She's ruined people's lives.
11:54It was a horrible feeling to know that she was going to be out that soon.
11:58Because she pled guilty to the charges, she never got to like stand up and be asked like, why have you done this?
12:08So all of us are pretty much just left with no answers whatsoever.
12:11What question would you ask her if you could ask her no question?
12:15I just want to go up to her. Just like, why? Why are you doing it?
12:19Just tell us why. Why does she want to be David Graham or any of the other aliases that she used?
12:24What are you getting from this? And what's the point? Why did you start doing all this?
12:28Definitely I want to know why.
12:29Do you think she knows why?
12:33Yeah. Yeah, I think she knows why. I think she knows why.
12:39When I came out of the courtroom, I was desperate to tell the story. I thought people need to know this.
12:50The first thing I did was speak to the news desk. The minute I told them that the guilty plea was there
12:55and that there were 18 charges and 10 victims, the front page was cleared.
13:01It goes massive. It's all over the newspapers. It's then getting shared on social media. It just went viral.
13:08OK, so female nurse jailed for fake male doctor scam.
13:13Rennie admitted 18 charges involving 10 victims of stalking, causing fear and alarm.
13:18I read the article and then I seen all the other comments from all the other girls saying, like, me as well. Like, he spoke to me.
13:26Then I realised just how deep and dark it got with them. You know, then I sat back and was like, oh, wow, I got off really lightly.
13:33Adele Reri's victims included a 17-year-old girl she met on the dating app Tinder.
13:40The 27-year-old convinced some of them to send intimate photos of themselves and engage in explicit conversations.
13:46Were you shocked at the sexual offences?
13:48Yeah, I think it was probably even, like, the amount of sexual offences.
13:53Like, it wasn't just maybe a one or two persons.
13:55It was almost, like, nearly half of the victims were, like, involved in that type of way.
13:59If anyone had sent Adele, like, any images of themselves,
14:04she would also use the fact that she had them to threaten them.
14:08Looking at the court case and Adele Reni's background, there's a complex web of motivations and personality traits and reasons for doing this that all need to be looked at in combination.
14:25A lot of sex crimes are not really necessarily about sex.
14:28They're more about control and enjoying the fact that you are getting them to engage in something that they're not consenting to because consent has to be informed.
14:37There is a huge amount of control in that level of deception.
14:42Adele was 100% trying to control me.
14:46It's not about love?
14:47No. This person's not ever been in love with any of these women.
14:51Never in love with me.
14:53It's all been about control, power.
14:56It was, in my opinion, a sick game.
14:59That's where you really have to look at the person and think, why do that to someone?
15:04What's your motive?
15:06When was the first time you heard the word catfish?
15:21Probably when this all came out.
15:26How are you feeling?
15:28Aye, quite weepy actually.
15:35It's just a horrible feeling.
15:37You just can't believe that your daughter's going into one of the vans and getting taken off to a prison.
15:43You know, she's in the sex offenders register, so what, what, you know, it's just so complex that it's very hard to make any sense of it.
15:54Was that the hardest bit for you, her being on that register?
15:57Well, it's human nature to judge, I feel, and I suppose when you hear somebody's on that, you just think of predators or, you know, paedophiles or this kind of thing.
16:10I was mortified and ashamed. I went through every emotion because it's just no, the girl we know, it's quite hard to accept.
16:25You don't want to believe that your child's capable of these kind of things. Why? Why would you do this? And what are you getting out of it?
16:39I did ask her if she was gay or is there something you need to talk about? It's absolutely fine.
16:44She said that she's not, she's not. It's hard, you just, it's hard, I still can't believe it.
16:51But you just think, right, okay, we just need to get through this next year.
17:09She had been in prison, she'd done something wrong, and fair enough, we can all make a mistake, and that's her out, and let's rebuild life.
17:24Her story had been in the papers and on social media.
17:32Obviously it's a small town, so people knew what she'd done and who she was, and quite a scary thing.
17:39Because you don't know how people are going to react to that.
17:42Information came our way that she had been released.
17:47We thought, well, that'll be the last that we hear of Adele Rennie.
17:52But within months, it turned out that she was once again on the radar of the police and the wider authorities.
17:59And within a matter of weeks of these new allegations coming to light, she was back behind bars.
18:13Surely not. Surely you're not going to do it in the same town.
18:20Three months after you've got out, I just didn't expect her to ever do it again.
18:23Never mind to people that it's going to be really, really obvious, like in your own hometown, that's going to have heard the story.
18:28Why? What on earth? What is going on?
18:32Never for a minute did I think that she was going to end up back in again.
18:36So did this feel different than the previous prison sentence?
18:48I think so. She had quite a lot of support workers and she got involved in different things in the prison.
18:54You know, she would push herself and get up and keep going, get a wee job and put her day in and put some money by, just try and make the best of it.
19:06You just thought, you know, that this was a turning point.
19:25We were all sort of back to normal as a family.
19:28Spending Christmases together and spending birthdays together and, like it felt like she was back to her old self.
19:37She's got a job, she's got a nice car, she's going nice wee holidays.
19:41She went away with her friends in her walking group.
19:44She just said that she felt different and was so looking forward to the future.
19:48We're on the right track now. She's definitely turned a corner.
19:55She had built her life back up again to a place where she was happy.
20:05I hadn't heard anything about Adele for a good four years.
20:08Everything's nice and calm. I started a new chapter in my life.
20:12And now I have two children.
20:17I have my own children's entertainment company now.
20:21Getting on with life.
20:23But there was always that doubt in my mind thinking, well, is she going to come out and try and do it again?
20:31Sometimes when maybe a profile will add me or something will attempt to talk to me,
20:35there is sometimes similarities and I do automatically think it's Adele.
20:39Do you think you started thinking everyone was fake?
20:42Yeah, everybody was fake.
20:44Like, everyone was fake unless I knew you were real.
20:47Like, unless I'd actually met you.
20:48Like, even to this day, like, everyone's fake until you're not.
20:51Have you ever got it wrong before about someone being a fake profile?
20:54Yeah!
20:56There was a girl called Lucy.
20:57Oh, yeah. There was so many.
20:59There was, like, a Lucy, a Rachel, and these were all profiles that I sent to the police.
21:03But Lucy wasn't fake.
21:04I think she was.
21:06Was she not? Was she real?
21:07I was at home.
21:08I get a message from someone I know from Kilmarnock.
21:18It literally just said, who do you think this sounds like?
21:25It was a screenshot from a Facebook group called Are We Dating The Same Guy?
21:29It was a group set up for women to double-check if a man was safe or not.
21:36I join and then I look for this message and I'm reading it.
21:41And I'm, like, professional job, semi-Italian name.
21:49He was a pharmacist. He had a fancy car.
21:51He was from Newton Mearns and he loved a voice note.
21:54And I'm, like, Adele, Adele, Adele, Adele.
21:57Like, every single thing. Adele, Adele, Adele.
21:59I'm aware that not every single catfish in the world is going to be Adele.
22:03But in my little world, every single catfish is Adele.
22:08I just put a comment on the original post.
22:10Just basically say, this story is almost exactly the same as something that I've went through.
22:14It was enough for me to dust off my wee case book and open it up again.
22:21And that's when I posted on Instagram.
22:26We knew there had been an accusation made.
22:30Adele had told me that someone had put an Instagram story up and tagged her in it.
22:38Something along the lines of, everyone's watching, get your popcorn out.
22:44I understood why they would suspect Adele, but I was worried.
22:52Because she had told me that if she was to go back to prison, that she, yeah, that she wouldn't survive it.
23:01In that week's time, I remember Adele being very stressed and very, very on edge.
23:16I was given a phone number that belonged to Callum Crowler.
23:20And when I phoned it, I was speaking to a guy.
23:24He was saying that they had a girlfriend and blah, blah, blah.
23:29And so it's a guy that's maybe having an affair or cheating or something.
23:34And like, it's genuinely a guy that's catfishing.
23:38And I left the phone call thinking, oh, fuck, it's not Adele.
23:42So you've got the wrong catfish?
23:44I've got the wrong cat. I've got the wrong catfish.
23:48The next day, Adele phones me.
23:51I've got the two kids in the back of the car.
23:54My heart is absolutely racing.
23:55I answered it, basically saying, why am I bringing her name up again?
24:01And this isn't her. I've got it all wrong.
24:05I need to stop saying things are her. She can't be the only catfish.
24:09From when I left the restaurant until I got home, it was just adrenaline, adrenaline, adrenaline.
24:13I'm pointing the finger back to myself. I'm the issue. I'm the one that needs to let it go.
24:20I'm obsessed with Adele. I'm trying to ruin her life.
24:27However, there's still a catfish on the loose.
24:31Why not just leave it this time?
24:38I can't sit on that. Like, I'm not going to sit here.
24:42And then the next thing I'm getting told is, oh, by the way, someone get murdered in their house.
24:47Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't want to read that.
24:48One of the girls talking to Callum Krola at that point was being followed.
24:55It was very much in real time.
24:57Callum Krola had sent a Google Maps picture of where she lives and said,
25:03never have I felt rejection quite like this.
25:05I wasn't even in her situation and I was shitting myself.
25:08He also sent a photo to the victim of some random girl with blonde hair at a gig down in London.
25:22She's like laughing. She's got a drink in her hand.
25:25And because we had this photo of her, I was able to find who that person really was.
25:32I had a message on Facebook of this random woman that messaged me a photograph of myself.
25:38Asking whether this was me.
25:41I rang and I spoke to her and I asked her, how do you have this photo?
25:47And I asked her if she could confirm if she knew who Callum Krola was.
25:54Never heard that name in my life, no.
25:57And I asked her, so who took that picture of you?
26:00You need to confirm to me who went to that concert with you.
26:03Because whoever took that picture isn't who they say they are.
26:05So I had a couple of videos on my phone that I sent over to her.
26:16And I pressed play on one video.
26:19Slowly it comes round.
26:21You've got to be fucking kidding me.
26:31This girl's at it again.
26:38It was kind of like that holy shit moment.
26:40Like, I'm not some sort of crazy bitch.
26:44I knew it was Adele.
26:46Did you feel vindicated?
26:48Yeah, like it was genuinely just too good to be true.
26:53And never before have we had evidence like this.
26:56And then within like 24 hours there was a police officer at Adele's house.
27:01When you get that one phone call, news that she's been arrested again, it's like...
27:11..chattered.
27:12Disbelief that it's happening all over again.
27:14And...anger.
27:17She swore to me.
27:19And...anger.
27:22She swore to me.
27:27And...
27:29She swore to me.
27:30And...
27:31She swore to me.
27:44And...
27:48promised and...
27:50That she hadn't done anything.
27:52That she was innocent.
27:54After everything, to know that she had lied.
27:58Again.
28:00Erm...
28:02Like, straight to my face.
28:04Yeah.
28:05Do you have a cut-off point where you're like,
28:07I've had enough?
28:10This is it.
28:11For sure.
28:12This is...
28:15This has to be it.
28:17This is my breaking point.
28:18A former female nurse who posed as a man online to target women has been convicted for a third time for similar offences.
28:35Adele Rennie's conduct was described by the sheriff as premeditated deception designed to distress her victim.
28:42Every time this kind of, like, story of Adele comes about, everybody says, like, she must have a mental health issue, she needs help, that's why she's doing it.
28:58You see all the comments on it.
29:02That woman needs help.
29:03Why is she back in jail?
29:05What do you think she needs?
29:07Help.
29:08Like, mental help to kind of get to the deeper root of why is she doing this?
29:12It's very hard to understand why somebody engages in this kind of behaviour.
29:17It stems from trauma, a desire for control, personality traits, like, the reasons behind it are so complex.
29:24And in a situation like this, it is quite likely that it's those very early childhood experiences.
29:28They're one of the major predictors of catfishing.
29:31Because what we think of as normal when we're growing up, what we see in our lives is what we learn from.
29:38And we have a tendency to bring that into our future lives as adults, which leads to this kind of behaviour later.
30:01That's her there just as a newborn, smiling away there.
30:09Lots of nice family holidays and lots of stuff we all did together.
30:16And I haven't looked at him recently because it does upset me.
30:22Who would have thought, looking at these pictures, how her life was going to turn out?
30:27If somebody said to me ten years ago, this is where we would be,
30:33said, you know, your daughter would be in prison two or three times,
30:37I would never, never have believed it.
30:40As I say, first time, fair enough, we can all make mistakes, maybe a second time.
30:44But when it goes beyond that, no, I've had it.
30:47I'm at the end of my tether now.
30:49You told her that?
30:50Definitely.
30:53She was allowed a phone call when she got to the prison.
30:56I was like, well, have you thought about the heart and distress that you've caused these people?
31:01What does she say to that?
31:02She would just say, you know, I'm trying to get psychological help.
31:08And she did manage to get some support.
31:12And I think, you know, it helped her to begin to understand a lot more of why this was all happening.
31:18I think she's probably opened up more recently than what she has ever done.
31:26What sort of things has she opened up about?
31:29Unfortunately, my, my first marriage was quite abusive and there was a, it wasn't a pleasant relationship a lot of the time.
31:38He was a good enough dad, but unfortunately he, he was a drinker.
31:42So he would go in binges and I would be getting hit and things like that.
31:48And it would be happening when they were in their bed and I would, I just thought they were sleeping.
31:52And I didn't know about it because nothing would be said the next morning.
31:57But she has told me there has been quite a lot, the three children, you know, quite a lot that they'd had, they'd heard that I didn't think they had.
32:12He loved the kids dearly, but when alcohol comes depression, although I never thought he would have taken his life.
32:20I hadn't told Adele how he'd passed away, you know, what a horrific thing to hear, even for an adult.
32:29And Adele had only been six, I think.
32:35She'd come in from Sunday school really, really upset.
32:38A child had said to her, your dad hung himself.
32:41This was just two days after it happened.
32:44I did go through a kind of guilt thing that I might have felt through, sorry.
32:58Staying in that relationship has had a profound effect on her and through what she's done with this, I kind of thought, is that something that, you know, I could have prevented?
33:12Some people have gone through the same trauma and they've not gone and done what Adele's done.
33:18What would you say to that?
33:20I think everybody's different now.
33:22I mean, I just don't know what somebody's going through and how they're going to react.
33:27And I know it's very hard to understand why anybody would have done all this so many times, but there's got to be something.
33:39Because of her own upbringing, she may have viewed women as being victims and vulnerable.
33:49And she created these kind of successful men who have a lot of power in society and then only interacted with women.
33:58And so what she's doing is a coping mechanism, a maladaptive coping mechanism, but a coping mechanism for the trauma she experienced as a child.
34:06PHONE RINGS
34:18PHONE RINGS
34:24PHONE RINGS
34:34Dear Miss Draper, victim notification scheme.
34:38The offender sentence started on the 15th of November, 2023, and they're due to be released automatically on the 13th of January, 2025.
34:47Basically, what that means is Adele is coming out today.
34:50PHONE RINGS
34:52Hey, I just thought I'd give you a little voice note.
34:56I know I've not spoken a wee while, but it was just to let you know that I got a letter today to say that Adele was coming out of prison.
35:03Hi.
35:04I just thought I'd send you a wee voice note.
35:06I just thought I'd give you a little heads up.
35:08I won't hear anything else unless maybe she re-offends.
35:11I know police are going to check.
35:12And apart from that, we won't hear anything else.
35:14But fingers crossed we don't.
35:16Hope you're okay and I'll speak soon.
35:18Bye.
35:19I'm standing here and I know it's going to happen again.
35:22It's just the when next for me.
35:26Yay.
35:27It's just to let you know I got a letter to say that...
35:30I don't enjoy this.
35:32And then I think, because I think of the amount of time I've spent on this,
35:36and then it takes me back to my granddad.
35:39With the amount of time that I spent trying to trip her up and trying to get her to the police.
35:45How many hours have I put into this and I could have spent those hours doing something else?
35:49Like, this is not enjoyable.
35:50Like, this is not fun.
35:51Like, is it like a negative obsession?
35:54Maybe I do have, but...
35:57Adele's obsessive, so then I don't want to put myself in the same bracket as her
36:01because I'm not anything like her.
36:03And if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have to do this.
36:05Adele's been accused of texting a previous victim.
36:24As part of the release conditions, she wasn't allowed to approach this person in any way,
36:30and that's why she's back in court today.
36:3350% of people who are jailed for stalking do it again when they come out.
36:39So a lot of traditional therapy doesn't necessarily work.
36:41You've got to get into the motivations behind why somebody does that.
36:44And you can see that her compulsion to do this, you know, she's been in prison,
36:48she comes out and she immediately starts again.
36:51That means the justice system didn't work.
36:53It means that while Adele was punished with prison time, she hasn't been changed in any way.
37:00It hasn't had the impact on Adele that it needed to have.
37:04And so we aren't any further forward.
37:07The chances are it will repeat.
37:09It's possible that a lawyer might decide that Adele's been in jail several times now,
37:18and it doesn't appear to have changed her behaviour.
37:23So he might argue that if we go down the same road again,
37:27we might end up with the same outcome.
37:29If you keep throwing her in prison and she keeps coming out and re-offending,
37:32you know, you're not getting anywhere.
37:48That's a nice picture.
37:52And you climbed the...
37:54Arthur's seat.
37:55Arthur's seat.
37:56With the dogs.
37:57She would have just got them then as well.
37:59Mm-hm.
38:00Well, she'd have had them about three months.
38:03My goodness.
38:04That was years ago.
38:08Do you think prison's the right place for her?
38:10I mean, there's a reason she's doing a prison sentence.
38:13She has done wrong.
38:14There needs to be a punishment of some sort.
38:16But...
38:19No, I think when it gets to, like, to this point,
38:22that's not probably the answer.
38:27Really, it's something in herself that she needs to work on.
38:30It needs to be her that does the work at the end of the day.
38:38She knows that we still love her,
38:40but there's trust isn't there any more.
38:43If it was to happen again, that would be it.
38:46She would have to be on her own.
38:48And I just hope we don't have to put it to the test.
38:53You told her that?
38:55I'm going to.
38:56Mm-hm.
38:58Turn left, then your destination will be on the right.
39:02Do you think she understands why she's done it?
39:04I'm not sure.
39:05Ask me.
39:06Ask me later.
39:10What do you think would give people closure at this point?
39:13People are only going to get closure from it when Adele stops.
39:16Prison doesn't give us closure.
39:17It just puts a pause on things.
39:20Do you think she'll ever stop?
39:21I don't think she'll ever stop, no.
39:24Do you feel sorry for her in any way?
39:25No, no.
39:26There's no sympathy.
39:27Not one single bit of sympathy for her.
39:30You obviously must know how badly she's affected women.
39:33And to keep doing it,
39:34that's where you start feeling like,
39:36you're like, I can't feel sorry for you anymore.
39:38How after ten years are you still doing it?
39:41All these victims, she has ruined people's lives.
39:46Is it a unique experience going through this kind of deception?
39:50Oh yeah, totally a unique experience.
39:53The stigma is how can you fall in love with someone that's online
39:56and you've never met them?
39:58And you definitely can.
40:00And when there's people out there like Adele,
40:03who is manipulating,
40:05you fall into traps that she puts for you.
40:08Who can you trust?
40:09Absolutely no one after that.
40:11The research on people who engage in pathological lying,
40:15which is what's occurring in this case,
40:17kind of shows that a lot of the time
40:20they start to believe their own lies.
40:22It's actually kind of at a level of delusion
40:25and it can be very hard to treat
40:27because people won't admit to what they're doing,
40:30even to themselves often.
40:34How was that? How was your visit today?
40:36It's been a very positive one.
40:41Before it was, I don't know why I'm here,
40:44I never done anything wrong.
40:47I felt she just talking to her,
40:49she was like a different person.
40:51You know, I'm here and I've just got to accept it.
40:54How are you feeling about it all?
40:57Much better than what I have done.
41:00You know, I think when she does come out,
41:01I'm quite sure that she is going to rebuild her life
41:05and be happy and that's all you want really.
41:11Because you said before that you couldn't die through it again.
41:14Oh, I told her that today.
41:16I said that there's just no way we can go through any more.
41:20We most definitely need this to be the end.
41:22I mean, as I said to you before,
41:25the person that did these crimes is no...
41:29the girl that we all know and love.
41:34No, I think after speaking today, I want to...
41:39I believe that...
41:41Well, she said that she'll never set back foot in a prison,
41:45she'll never be back in a prison once she gets out.
41:47If you were to give Adele a piece of advice right now, what would it be?
42:06Try and turn this into a thing where you're going to make a positive impact
42:11on the world instead of constantly tearing people down,
42:14making people feel scared.
42:15She's the same age as me, we're now 35 years old.
42:18She's spent potentially the majority of her adulthood in prison.
42:22In ten years, like, I've ticked so many, like, amazing things off my bucket list.
42:27Like, I'm, like, where I want to be in life
42:29and I feel like if I was to die today, I'd die happy.
42:33And I just don't think she'd be able to say that.
42:35Why does that make you upset?
42:37Because I don't know.
42:39I actually don't know why I've got so much fucking empathy for her, but I do.
42:41Because I just think to myself, like, if that was me, I'd feel so shit.
42:46I don't even want to feel sorry for her.
42:48Like, it's fucking annoying me that right now I'm crying because of her, but I'm like...
42:52I get sad thinking of the thought of, like, she's not...
42:58She doesn't want to change and that's sad.
43:04Because from not changing that, again, it just affects more and more people.
43:08Do you hope this is the last time you have to talk about it?
43:12Yeah, like, I genuinely do.
43:13Like, I couldn't want anything more from this full thing than just to, like, shut it down.
43:18Do you want to hang up your detective hat?
43:20Yeah.
43:22I think I'll always be called Detective Draper in some sort of way,
43:25because it is, like, what my friends call me, because I always find out everything.
43:28But for this case, yeah, I would quite like to say, like, case closed.
43:31I would quite like to say, like, case closed.
44:01The song!
44:05The song?
44:12The song?
44:20Transcription by CastingWords
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