00:00I think John Harbaugh is still going to interview, no matter what, in person with another team or two.
00:06We know he's talked to eight teams or nine teams.
00:08This is the first in-person meeting.
00:10That being said, what can the Giants do to make sure he doesn't want to talk to another team,
00:19or if he does, it's as a courtesy and nothing else?
00:22Yeah, because the last time something similar to this happened was Andy Reid leaving the Eagles.
00:26There were, at the time, allegedly six teams interested.
00:30He went to the Chiefs, and the Chiefs didn't let him leave, and obviously we saw what happened.
00:34The key thing, I think, has to go back to Shane, though.
00:37We can't overlook that at all.
00:39I hear what you're saying, but the only thing that came from Harbaugh's camp was not control, not money,
00:45because he's getting paid a lot of money regardless.
00:46It was $20 million for him.
00:47That's a yes from the Giants.
00:48It was $10 million for his coaching staff.
00:51That's a yes from the Giants.
00:52It was final say on personnel decisions.
00:55My gut is push comes to shove.
00:58That's a yes from the Giants.
00:59And then the last box was I get to decide who the GM is.
01:04Right.
01:04He wanted to be comfortable.
01:05He wanted to make sure he was 100% comfortable with the GM.
01:09And you might be right about Joe Shane in theory.
01:12It's also going to be interesting once they're face-to-face and have a couple of –
01:17talk about the philosophy of how they want to build a football team.
01:19Sure.
01:20If he talks about defense, what if he doesn't like last year's first-round pick for whatever reason?
01:24I like my edge rushers to be like this, he's like that.
01:27Yeah, it's a part of it.
01:28Those kind of things, I think, are going to be a big one.
01:30Here's the thing.
01:31Look, I talk to Giants fans, obviously, all day, right?
01:33Obviously, yeah.
01:34And we have a Giants fan 50 feet beneath us right now.
01:37Mm-hmm.
01:38Most – not all – most Giants fans will tell you that they think with the right head coach,
01:44the New York Giants could win 10 games next year.
01:46Yep.
01:47And I know it's a tough schedule.
01:48Forget about that.
01:49So if you believe that – and most Giants fans, I truly think, feel like if you get us John Harbaugh,
01:55a coach of his quality, that there's enough talent right now that the New York Giants can have a major turnaround
02:00and at least be alive for a wild-card spot next year.
02:03Yeah.
02:04So if I accept that as the gospel, then by default, Giants fans have to think that Joe Shane has built a good team, right,
02:13as general manager over the last four years.
02:15You would have to think that.
02:16Because you can't tell me that Joe Shane has to go and then, on the other hand,
02:20tell me that there's enough talent here right now to win 10 games.
02:24We just need the right coach to do it.
02:26Right.
02:27So if you believe that there's enough talent right now for the Giants to win 10 games next year
02:31with the right coach, then you should have no problem if Joe Shane retains his job.
02:37And the only oversight you give him is if it comes down to, you know, the clock's ticking down draft day
02:43and Joe Shane wants the wide receiver and John Harbaugh wants the defensive tackle,
02:49John Harbaugh wins that battle.
02:51Right.
02:51Outside of that, it's got to be a collective.
02:54And if I'm Joe Shane and, you know, my job security's on the line now,
02:58I will go out of my way to tell John Harbaugh today, this is my philosophy,
03:04but in the example I just gave you, I am fine with you winning that battle.
03:09Yeah.
03:09So gun to my head, if the clock's ticking down,
03:13and I want this guy, but you want that guy, you win.
03:17Yeah.
03:17And I think that's how Joe Shane keeps his job.
03:20Yeah.
03:20I don't think it's more complicated than that.
03:22Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
03:23And then you brought up Jackson Dart.
03:24My concern would be if I'm Harbaugh, it's not really his play or his talent.
03:28It appears he has that.
03:29I don't know what kind of headspace the kid is in.
03:32They tell him to be more conservative.
03:33Have you seen his girlfriend?
03:35Yeah.
03:36He's in a fine headspace.
03:37No, no, no.
03:37No, that might be the problem.
03:39Yeah.
03:40He's getting lots of headspace.
03:41Right.
03:41Are you into that kind of headspace or the right kind of headspace?
03:45Well, I got to find that out.
03:46And the other part is, if I'm instructing you to do something in order for you to play
03:51more football games, do you say, nah, it's football, blah, blah, blah.
03:54Are you going to actually still think you're Cam Scadaboo when Cam's going to be here four
03:59years tops?
04:00We want you here a decade plus.
04:02Right.
04:02So are you him or are you that?
04:04And that would be something big because what good is a talented player who's going to get
04:0870 concussions?
04:09Yeah, now look, I'm with you.
04:10I think you can only legislate so much out of a guy.
04:14At the end of the day, you have to accept a guy, I think, for what he is.
04:17And you can tutor him along the way and try to be a great coach and say, let me walk you
04:23through.
04:23That decision was a bad one.
04:25Right.
04:25Because you could have gone out of bounds.
04:26Yes.
04:27You would have gotten two less yards, but you're quarterbacking third down.
04:30Right.
04:31I'm with you 100% on that.
04:32And what I mean by that is.
04:33I'll say this about Jackson Dart.
04:34Yeah.
04:35Jackson Dart, unlike a lot of, you know, young quarterbacks, he's got, he's got a little
04:42Shadir Sanders in him.
04:43He does.
04:44He's got a little, I would say arrogance, which is a good thing, I think, if you're a
04:47quarterback.
04:48It is.
04:48But he's got some personality, like he's got the mock turtleneck.
04:52He's got the chain.
04:54He's dancing.
04:54He's got the dances.
04:55Doing a lot of dances.
04:56Yeah, like he's got some swagger about him, which is why he's going to be one of those
05:01guys that giant fans love, hopefully for a long time.
05:04Hopefully.
05:04He's got that if factor.
05:06He does.
05:06Like he's not boring like Eli was.
05:08Obviously, you take Eli's career right now.
05:10He's not boring like, I don't know, Drake May seems like a kind of like, you know, cardboard
05:14guy.
05:15No, he does seem boring.
05:16This dude's got some flair.
05:17He does.
05:18He's got some Craig Mack flavor in your ear, is what he's got.
05:22Wouldn't you say?
05:22Yes, that was the first bad boy artist for the kids that might not know.
05:25Yeah, I hear that.
05:28I just want to know what kind of mentality has beyond I'm going to take hits.
05:33And that's going to be an interesting thing.
05:34We're going to find out.
05:35Giants fans collectively seem to love him.
05:38Does Harbaugh.
05:39We're going to find out the next 48 hours real quick.
05:42Do you think Harbaugh leaves with a signed contract or do you think he tells the Giants?
05:47I'll let you know.
05:47I think he tells the Giants.
05:49I'll let you know.
05:49And in my opinion, I'm going to say it out loud.
05:51That's an epic failure by the Giants.
05:53Get it done by tomorrow.
05:55Announce a press conference when it's going to be on Friday.
05:58By the way, John Maurer, who's not well, and obviously we wish him the best.
06:03He is undergoing a treatment for cancer.
06:05And Steve Tisch, the two main owners, are going to be in the building with Harbaugh all day today.
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