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01:16Eu sou um dos poucos, eu sou um dos sorteos de viver para contar a história.
01:28A battle, Presidente Calderón está lutando dentro do México.
01:32É também o nosso.
01:33A guerra na arco intensificou essa zona.
01:36Essa guerra era um circo e um fracasso.
01:41Ele se acuse de aceitar milhões de dólares e bribes do cartel.
01:46Por aqui, por favor!
01:56Circus goes on, there's different clowns.
01:58A resort town in Mexico just a 90-minute drive from San Diego was the scene of a horrific crime today.
02:19Men, women, children, and even a baby were among a score of people gunned down in a massacre, apparently drug-related, in a Juarez to Tijuana connection.
02:29In the late 90s, the cartels in Mexico were at war with each other.
02:37So when they traveled, they traveled heavily armed with convoys, vehicles full of men armed in the teeth.
02:55And the war building over the border, we're having homicides happening in San Diego, Los Angeles, and other places.
03:06We have bodies with two bullets to the back of their head and cars burning on the side of the freeway.
03:15We have people being murdered with assault rifles.
03:19Our primary need was to protect our nation.
03:26We have to do our best here to take off the most violent.
03:30They were our number one enemy.
03:32I spent approximately 30 years targeting the Ariano Felix organization.
03:38The Ariano Felix organization was probably imported more contained than any of the cartels.
03:53Much, much more.
03:55The Ariano Felix family are consisted of seven brothers and a number of sisters.
04:02They were very flamboyant in how they dressed.
04:05And if Benjamin Ariano Felix, he was the head of the organization.
04:15People were afraid of him because at the slightest moment of hesitation or they didn't trust someone, they're going to kill him.
04:23Where the other organizations, like the Sinaloa Cartel, they were more a little laid back.
04:29I mean, they still did their shares of killings, but nothing like the Ariano Felix organization was doing.
04:34In our investigation against the Arianos, we wanted to take off the top of the organization.
04:40That was our goal, to work our way up.
04:42But while we were working our way up, we often use lower level members of the organization to become witnesses and to provide information, to go undercover.
04:54So Bob came up in my investigation.
05:03Bob is a Caucasian male.
05:06He's very plain looking or low-key looking.
05:09You know, he doesn't dress flamboyantly.
05:12He's very polite.
05:13He's very respectful.
05:14But he's very ambitious and he moved a lot of cocaine for the Ariano Felix organization over the years.
05:22I started working as a mule carrying loads of cocaine from L.A. to New York.
05:35I had a crew in the United States.
05:37I'd have my guys get it across country driving.
05:40We decided to take advantage of the police pattern of profiling.
05:45You know, my idea of a crook was Tony Montana, Scarface, you know, flamboyant, chains, Latino.
05:55And my idea was to make them look like police as much as I could.
06:00I gave them the short haircuts, the mustaches over the corner of their mouth, clean fingernails, clean hands.
06:09So it pays off. It works, you know.
06:13Whether you have 100 kilos of cocaine in the trunk of your car or you're just an old man driving.
06:20Every time they pull me over, they let me go looking for someone else.
06:25We'd make $40,000 to $80,000 a month.
06:30It's a good gig. It's a generous paying gig.
06:33A lot of power. I'm not going to lie. The power is addicting.
06:36The money was a hell of a perk, a bonus.
06:41You did well with it.
06:44After doing that a few times and being successful at that, go partners on it.
06:49One of the leaders in the cartel, right under Gus, who was right under the Ariano Brothers, who was right under Benfameen.
06:58So, that's how close I was to the top.
07:02But I got a call from a friend of mine.
07:07Hey, we have this guy, Bob, big white guy.
07:11And he just met with our Colombian target in our case.
07:14We have a wiretap on this guy.
07:16He's a big-time Colombian trafficker and he's stationed here in L.A.
07:19But we're following Bob back and he's in a Ford truck.
07:25And when he gets over the county line, we need you to pick up the surveillance and follow him and see what he does.
07:34We followed his car and he was a mile short of the Tijuana border when he was pulled over on the side of the freeway.
07:42And Bob immediately said to the police officer, who's in charge?
07:49I know what's going on.
07:50Who's in charge?
07:51Who is in that cluster of vehicles a mile back on the side of the freeway?
07:56So, the officer called me and he says, he knows, Steve.
07:59Come on up.
08:00And Bob told us both, I'm going to be absolutely useless to you if somebody drives by and sees me standing on the side of the road.
08:09We need to get out of this.
08:10Take me back to your headquarters.
08:12Do whatever we need to do.
08:13Let's get out of here.
08:14I was very hurt.
08:17I was mad.
08:18I didn't like this criminal telling me my job.
08:22But he was right.
08:23We took him back to DEA.
08:30And then we sat down for the debriefing.
08:33They brought in the head attorney.
08:36He came to me and said, look, you can work your time off by cooperating.
08:42It was starting at five to seven years.
08:45I was looking at five to seven years, which is better than life imprisonment for working for the cartel.
08:53I made a deal with the attorney that was cooperating.
08:55And I told Steve, I got to be where I was in the cartel, working hard.
09:01I'm going to be the best confidential informant you've ever had.
09:04So he's very responsible.
09:06He's very smart.
09:07He's smarter than me.
09:17Bob was very influential once he made the decision to cooperate.
09:20He taught us about the structure.
09:22He taught us about their communication system, how they moved their drugs in a procession sometimes,
09:28how they smuggled it into the United States, what ports of entries they used, who they corrupted.
09:35But we were targeting Gustavo Rivera.
09:40And Gustavo Rivera was somebody that we know to be involved with the Arellano Felix organization from their inception.
09:47Gus was described as the financier of the organization.
09:53He's also an enforcer and a murderer.
09:55Gustavo Rivera is a mass murderer.
09:57A mass murderer.
10:03We have heard him on the radio directing the murder, kidnap, corruption of numerous people.
10:11Numerous people.
10:12Hundreds.
10:12Everything was going well.
10:26I was giving them information.
10:29They were building a case and doing their thing.
10:32And one night, I got a meeting with Gus at the restaurant.
10:37Bob called me.
10:39And he said, Steve, I just met Gus in a restaurant.
10:43Just want to let you know, if you go in and take him out, everything, you know, we got it covered, right?
10:49So the DEA is working in cooperation down in Mexico with the state police.
10:54The Mexican police sat on the bar and waited for Gus to leave.
11:01The guys take off.
11:02And then all of a sudden, they start trying to arrest him, trying to stop him.
11:06But because he always had a driver in front and one behind him, they block everything off like that.
11:17And then they get away.
11:19I get called on the carpet the next day and saying, hey.
11:22I go, what's up?
11:23He goes, oh, my God.
11:24He goes, I almost got arrested last night.
11:26Only two people knew I was going to be there were you and this other guy.
11:29He goes, did you have anything to do with this?
11:30And I go, what are you fucking talking about?
11:33What do you mean I have anything to do with it?
11:36I thought, I didn't have anything to do with it.
11:38Bob called me and he yelled at me.
11:40Said, you're fucking, you guys are going to fucking kill me.
11:43And I said, get out of there.
11:46Get out of there.
11:47He goes, okay, I'm coming.
11:53I went back to my home.
11:54I gathered what I could gather.
11:56Had my guys drive me to the border.
11:59So I walked across the border.
12:01And that was the last time I went back to Mexico.
12:03Even after I left Mexico after one year, I helped them for the next five years.
12:15I was responsible for a guy confessing the murder on a phone.
12:19I was personally responsible for over 60 indictments and convictions.
12:23Most guys in my position would do some jail time.
12:28But for all the work I did, I was rewarded with not having to do jail time.
12:33My family had no idea what I did, who I am, or who I was.
12:44I'm self-employed.
12:46I have my own business.
12:47I put my son through college, university, medical school.
12:52My daughter, oh my God, is she ever going to graduate a year of college?
12:58It's perceived by some of the general population or some of the population as dirty deals.
13:08Even devil's deals in the DEA.
13:10You know, that's, that connotes, you know, dirty deals.
13:14Common practice.
13:15I mean, it's a dirty business.
13:16Is it fair that this person, Bob, didn't know time?
13:28Probably not.
13:29But it's in the eye of the beholder.
13:31And you had to understand where we were.
13:32We were focused.
13:34And we were trying very strongly to get to the top level of the Ariano Felix organization.
13:41Using informants like Bob was a means to an end.
13:48Even when somebody had blood on their hands, it was worth it if it would get us to the next level.
13:56El gobierno de Estados Unidos estaba interesado en desmantelar el cártel de Tijuana.
14:02Estaba siendo difícil.
14:03Y era el cártel de Sinaloa, el Mayo y el Chapo, quien le ayudó a la DEA a poder detener a los Ariano Felix.
14:16El cártel de Sinaloa, al menos desde 1998 hasta el 2011, tenía relación directa con la DEA.
14:27Había un puente directo.
14:30Había reuniones.
14:31Esta conexión directa empezó con una masacre.
14:44Ese día, en el aeropuerto internacional Miguel Hidalgo, muy cerca de las 4 de la tarde, se escucharon detonaciones de balas de fuego.
14:54La gente se escondía porque no sabían de dónde provenían los balazos.
15:03Y a los pocos minutos, se descubre que hay un automóvil blanco.
15:08Y dentro del mismo, en el asiento del copiloto, yace sobre su costado izquierdo, el cadáver del cardenal Juan Jesús Posadas Ocampo.
15:22Acribillados.
15:28Hay una reacción de choque en la sociedad mexicana.
15:31En una población, en su inmensa mayoría, creyente católica, no podía caber que hubieran asesinado a un príncipe de la iglesia.
15:50Y todo el mundo se preguntó, ¿quién es capaz de atentar contra un cardenal?
15:56¿Son acusados los narcotraficantes?
16:05At that time, on one end, we had the Arollano Police Organization.
16:15In Sinaloa, we had the Sinaloa Cartel, which was headed by Chapo Guzmán.
16:21And the feud had gone on for years.
16:24They hated each other because they wanted control of the drug trade.
16:27When the Arollano Organization directed the killing of Chapo Guzmán, they killed the wrong person.
16:37They killed the cardinal.
16:41La versión que da la autoridad federal es que el cardenal Posadas quedó en medio de un fuego cruzado entre dos bandas.
16:53Yeah, the spotlight is on the Arollanos.
16:55You know, their pictures go up, Chapo's picture goes up.
16:59Una recompensa de cinco millones de dólares por su captura.
17:03La autoridad coloca en la televisión los dibujos de Joaquín el Chapo Guzmán, Ramón Arellano Félix, Benjamín Arellano Félix.
17:11Y es así como los fuimos conociendo.
17:13And they're all wanted by the Mexican government because of this event.
17:17You know, they're public enemy number one.
17:24They go underground and that's when Chapo escaped, went to Guatemala.
17:29Y entonces, en los primeros días de junio, traen al Chapo Guzmán detenido de Guatemala.
17:38Y las autoridades hablan de un gran despliegue militar, de unas labores de inteligencia.
17:44He was turned over by the Guatemalan intelligence services back to the Mexican government.
17:50And that's when he was put in Puente Grande.
17:51Sin embargo, la detención del Chapo Guzmán es una farsa.
18:10Porque el Chapo Guzmán dirigía desde el penal federal su propio cartel y su guerra contra los serellanos Félix.
18:21Pero los serellanos Félix siguen libres.
18:28Ellos le entregan al jefe de la policía judicial federal 10 millones de dólares.
18:36Para que no nos sigas en la cacería por el caso Posadas.
18:41Esa es la capacidad de corrupción que tenían los serellanos Félix.
18:46Bueno, es un punto de despliegue.
18:52Chapo hacía los serellanos.
18:54Esa era personal.
18:56Así que cualquier cosa que podía hacer para hacer con los serellanos, lo haría hacer.
19:01Y nos ayudó porque pudimos desmantelar la organización.
19:06Con su ayuda.
19:08Se llamaba el tema de la deuda.
19:10Si se llama el tema de la deuda, tienes que danse a su tune.
19:12El tema de la deuda.
19:42Yo soy el hermano-in-law, Chapo Guzmán's hermano-in-law.
19:47Yo me dijeron, ¿verdad?
19:50Yo soy Joe Bond.
19:52Yo soy un agente de agente de la administración de los serellanos Félix.
19:56Yo soy el único agente que nunca conocí a Chapo personalmente.
19:59Y me conocí con él a su solicitud.
20:01At that time, Chapo Guzmán had been arrested in Guatemala and was back in Puente Grande in Guadalajara, Jalisco.
20:14And Electra said, he would like to be able to have interaction with you about what he wants to do.
20:23So, we checked the guy completely.
20:26Yeah, he was Chapo Guzmán's brother, no?
20:29And Electra said, for everybody to know that your codename is Tito, that's it.
20:36That's how he's going to know that you are the agent that I'm talking to.
20:40The next day, we flew to Guadalajara.
20:45We went to Puente Grande, having a DEH and go undercover into a Mexican jail.
20:51The possibility of you getting kidnapped there or getting killed would be a pretty good job.
21:00So, Washington came with the idea that, okay, you will go as a psychologist.
21:06And we met with a warden.
21:10He said, we got a place for you guys.
21:12It's the psychiatric unit.
21:15And they brought in Chapo Guzmán.
21:19And I said to him, I'm Tito.
21:22He could not believe it.
21:25His face went white.
21:26And he turned around, ran to the door, got on the knees, made sure that nobody was over there listening.
21:33And I said, well, Chapo, what do you want from us?
21:36He says, I will give you the Arellano-Felix organization.
21:39I'll give you the complete organization.
21:42I have people infiltrated in the organization.
21:44They can tell you exactly when and where they're going to be.
21:48And you guys can just grab them.
21:51I said, okay, Chapo.
21:53I go back to the U.S. Embassy.
22:00We prepare a report.
22:02The word came back from Washington, no deal, Joe.
22:06We're not going to deal with him.
22:07And they said, well, he's giving us the Arellano-Felix organization.
22:11And they disagreed.
22:12Because they wanted him charged in the United States, bottom line.
22:15They didn't want him to cooperate.
22:17They didn't want him to do anything for us.
22:20They wanted him arrested and extradited to the United States.
22:24They told us, don't meet with Chapo again.
22:27Shortly after that, he escaped.
22:29The enough corrupt people there allowed him to escape.
22:42In about a couple of weeks, went by, sometime went by,
22:45and I got a phone call from Chapo Guzman's brother.
22:51Arturo Guzman Loera, and his nickname was El Pollo, the chicken,
22:56because he was just a tiny little guy.
22:59And he says, Chapo still want to work with you guys.
23:01And he says, I would like to meet with you.
23:04I explained that to my superiors in the office,
23:07you know, the regional director and everything.
23:09I said, hey, I'm not meeting with Chapo.
23:10I'm meeting with Arturo.
23:12So I'm not breaking any rules here.
23:14You know, you got to use your imagination.
23:16Say, what am I going to do here?
23:21We're meeting at a public hotel.
23:23We get to the place, and we go up to the room.
23:31He already was there.
23:32So we spoke for a while, and Chapo Guzman had told me,
23:40we already had surveillance on the Adriano Felix.
23:43We're already watching his wife, who is in Puebla.
23:48They have a house there.
23:49And we expect Benjamín to be there,
23:53and we're just waiting for him to get there.
23:55And once he gets there, we're going to give you the location.
23:58That was great.
23:59Benjamín Arellano Felix was the head of the organization,
24:06our big fish.
24:10And in 2000, we had a dedicated team
24:12of Mexican federal agents
24:16that would apprehend people that we located.
24:20We arrived at the city of Puebla
24:32approximately like a las 10.30am.
24:39And suddenly, we met in front of the house of Benjamín.
24:43We realized that there was no security element.
24:49Everything was in calm, there was no noise, there was nothing.
24:53In that moment, we thought,
24:57everything was calm.
24:59And there was no indication of he could be in his house.
25:01I'm the general of the Mexican army
25:06that directed the operation
25:08that allowed the capture of Benjamín Arellano Felix.
25:16And the main team
25:17enters the main door
25:19to the second floor,
25:20which is where they heard voices.
25:23and the other people
25:24were holding the weapon.
25:25Let's go!
25:25Let's go!
25:26Let's go!
25:26Let's go!
25:27Let's go!
25:28Let's go!
25:29Let's go!
25:29Let's go!
25:29Let's go!
25:32Let's go!
25:32Let's go!
25:34Let's go!
25:34Let's go!
25:39Let's go!
25:40Su family,
25:41su esposa,
25:41que estaba presente
25:42y sus hijos,
25:44eh,
25:45lo culminaron
25:46a que
25:46dejara el arma
25:47y se entregara.
25:49Eu olhei para Benjamim e comprovou que sim se tratava da pessoa que estava me procurando.
26:12É muito estranho, mas eu acho que ele confiava em que ninguém podia...
26:19Ele descobriu ou podia suponer que sua família estava lá e muito menos que ele se encontrava nesse lugar.
26:26Sem dúvida alguma foi nada mais por essa noite e esse foi seu erro.
26:37Benjamim foi arrestado em 2002.
26:41Nós esperamos, sabe, tão longa para esse cara ser indicado e, sabe, é hora de celebrar.
26:48Você sabe, o CEO, o top dog.
26:51Foi tipo, oh, tem muitas coisas acontecendo.
26:55Então, eu sou o líder de D.E.A.
26:58Então, eu sou o líder de D.E.A.
27:01Eu sou o líder de D.E.A.
27:03Eu sou o líder de D.E.A.
27:08Eu sou o líder de D.E.A.
27:11Eu sou o líder de D.E.A.
27:14Eu estou trabalhando sobre 30 anos em enforção federal.
27:18Eu estou agora retiando.
27:20So Dave was the lead agent for DEA
27:24A great agent
27:27A great agent
27:27That has that stamina
27:29That has the knowledge and the desire
27:32To work a case of this magnitude
27:34Not everybody wants to work a case like this
27:36I gotta be careful with that stuff
27:42Because I don't know if that's kind of stuff
27:44That they would claim is classified
27:46You know
27:47Some of the information that was being provided
27:51Certainly wouldn't be provided to us
27:53Unless it had Chapo's blessing
27:55It wasn't DEA
27:57Speaking specifically to Chapo
28:01It was more like
28:02There was information to be passed
28:04And as being the
28:07Head of the organization
28:09Or the leader of the organization
28:10He would bless it
28:12And he would say okay
28:14Go ahead and pass that information to the gringos
28:17So when you had that person
28:25With that much fear and respect
28:26Ben Amin Ariyano Felix
28:28Is now out of the picture
28:29The whole organization became vulnerable
28:32Remember that being said at times
28:47This is a gift from Chapo
28:49All he had to do was drop a name
28:52You know
28:53And that's what he did with Chris
28:55Chris was a killer
29:01He was a stoke-gold killer
29:02So we received information from Sinaloa
29:06Through an attorney
29:07That Chris was staying at a particular address
29:11One such case was
29:15That a significant cocaine seizure
29:18In Manzanillo
29:19Where 23 tons of cocaine
29:22Was subsequently found and seized
29:27Well
29:28I think that information
29:30Came through Chapo's attorney
29:32You know
29:33In the Port of Manzanillo
29:34There's
29:34You know
29:36A significant amount of cocaine
29:37And you need to try and find it
29:39As we worked up the case
29:43We indicted the Five Brothers
29:44We indicted people that made decisions
29:46In the organization
29:48In the upper echelon
29:49You know
29:50We took the organization apart
29:53You know
29:57We did something good
29:58We dismantled and took down
30:00An entire cartel
30:01And we brought the majority
30:03Of those leadership figures
30:05To justice
30:07En realidad
30:15Lo que el cartel de Sinaloa hace
30:18Es utiliza la DEA
30:20Y es una maniobra absolutamente
30:27Perversa y genial
30:29Y les funciona
30:30Porque el cartel de Sinaloa
30:33Toma posesión
30:34De lo que es Tijuana
30:35Para aumentar
30:38El tráfico de droga
30:40A Estados Unidos
30:40Y para aumentar
30:41Los millones de dólares
30:43De ganancias
30:44No es el cartel de Sinaloa
30:48Quien trabajaba
30:49Para el gobierno
30:50De Estados Unidos
30:50Era el gobierno
30:52De Estados Unidos
30:53Quien trabajaba
30:55Para el cartel de Sinaloa
30:56You know
31:00I think
31:01Sometimes there's a misconception
31:03That
31:03The United States government
31:05Was behind
31:06The rise of Chapo Guzman
31:08No
31:09We weren't
31:10We weren't naive enough
31:12To think
31:12Well
31:12He's just trying to eliminate
31:14His competition
31:14We get it
31:15We know that
31:16But that doesn't mean
31:18The investigations
31:19On him stop
31:20It's kind of like
31:21You know
31:23That old phrase
31:24Keep your friends close
31:27But keep your enemies closer
31:29And at some point in time
31:31You're going to pull the trigger
31:33And you're going to take down Chapo
31:37And you're going to take down
31:38Members of his organization
31:39And you're going to take down
31:40Una vez que logran conquistar Tijuana
31:45La guerra
31:45Se traspasa
31:47Hacia Nuevo Laredo
31:48Empieza una guerra
31:50Del cártel de Sinaloa
31:51Contra
31:52Los que le llamaban
31:53Los Zetas
31:54El origen de los Zetas
31:57Son
31:57Alrededor de
31:5840, 50
32:00Soldados de élite
32:02Del ejército mexicano
32:04Que desertaron del ejército
32:07Pero que tenían una formación
32:09Muy profesional
32:10Como militares de élite
32:13Cuando el Chapo Guzman
32:18Dice
32:18Yo voy a apoderarme
32:20De Nuevo Laredo
32:22Y Laredo
32:23Y resulta que
32:26Empieza la violencia
32:28Contra el cártel
32:30Por el control
32:31Y empiezan a matar
32:35Pero como moscas
32:36A toda la gente del Chapo
32:39Porque no sabían
32:41Que tenían enfrente
32:42A los Zetas
32:44Que eran militares
32:45De élite profesionales
32:47Y aparecían los cadáveres
32:53De la gente del Chapo Guzman
32:54Amontonados
32:55En las casas de seguridad
32:57Una violencia exagerada
33:00Con todo el nivel
33:01De crueldad
33:02Y entonces empezamos a ver
33:03A los decapitados
33:05Y a los cuerpos
33:07Torturados
33:08Y a los cuerpos
33:08Desmembrados
33:09Y a los cuerpos
33:11Incinerados
33:12Había una
33:13Un cartel
33:14Que decía
33:15Chapo
33:17Sigue mandando
33:18A estos imbéciles
33:19Que los estamos matando
33:22Como moscas
33:23Atentamente
33:24Los Zetas
33:25Era como
33:28Un duelo
33:29De titanes
33:29Y el cártel
33:31De Sinaloa
33:32El Mayo
33:33El Chapo
33:34Esta gente
33:35Le proporcionaba
33:36La información
33:37A la DEA
33:38Para poder
33:39Detener
33:40A los máximos
33:41Enemigos
33:42Del cártel
33:44De Sinaloa
33:44Que eran los Zetas
33:45Pero al final
33:54Lo que ha hecho
33:56El gobierno
33:56De Estados Unidos
33:57Con la carta
33:58De Sinaloa
33:59Es como estar
34:00Dándole carne
34:01A un león
34:01Tú le estás
34:02Dando de comer
34:03Le estás tirando
34:04La carne
34:05Y piensas
34:06Que lo puedes controlar
34:07Un día
34:08El león
34:09Te come a ti
34:15I'm Mike Duddy
34:25I was a
34:29Federally licensed
34:30Gun dealer
34:30From the time period
34:34Of 2006
34:35To 2010
34:36I sold hundreds
34:37Of guns
34:38To the Mexican
34:38Cartels
34:39At the behest
34:40Of the United
34:41States government
34:41So
34:51Mexico
34:53Has very
34:53Stringent gun laws
34:54Only the
34:56Military
34:56And the police
34:57And certain
34:58Security workers
34:59Can own
35:00Firearms
35:01There's only
35:02One gun store
35:03In the entire
35:03Country of Mexico
35:04And it's run
35:05By the Mexican
35:06Military
35:06For somebody
35:08To take guns
35:08Across the border
35:10Into Mexico
35:11Is a very
35:13Serious crime
35:14Not just
35:15In the United
35:16States
35:16But also
35:16In Mexico
35:17Here in the United
35:26States
35:27Particularly Arizona
35:28Which is a
35:28Gun friendly state
35:29There are a lot
35:30Of gun shows
35:31In various places
35:32In Arizona
35:32I would travel
35:33To these gun shows
35:34And set up
35:36My display
35:36I was one
35:38Of the larger
35:39Dealers
35:39At these shows
35:40Easily over
35:42100 guns
35:42On display
35:43And another
35:44100 guns
35:44Backstock
35:45People would pay
35:47If they wanted
35:48To purchase a gun
35:49Of course
35:49They would have
35:50To fill out
35:50The paperwork
35:51And if they pass
35:52The background check
35:53They could leave
35:54The gun show
35:54With that particular gun
35:56The way the criminals
36:01Would get around
36:02The background checks
36:03Would be to find
36:04Somebody without
36:05A criminal history
36:05And pay them money
36:07To come to a gun show
36:08Or a gun store
36:09And fill out
36:11The background check
36:12And buy the gun
36:13And then turn around
36:14And give it to the person
36:15Who was not eligible
36:16To legally purchase that gun
36:18That's called a straw purchase
36:20So in April of 2006
36:25I was at a gun show
36:26In Phoenix
36:27And a young Hispanic man
36:30Approached me
36:31And wanted a number
36:32Of AR-15s
36:34So this particular person
36:39Was Carlos Celaya
36:41He passed the background check
36:46He took six rifles
36:47He paid from
36:49From his pockets
36:50With cash
36:51He came back
36:53The following day
36:53And asked me
36:54If I had more
36:55And I said
36:57Well you
36:57You cleaned me out
36:58Yesterday
36:58But I'm
36:59I'm going to get
37:00Another 20 of those
37:01Types of guns
37:02Later in the month
37:04And he said
37:06I'll take them all
37:07And that really
37:09Aroused my suspicion
37:10So the following Monday
37:12I contacted the office
37:13Of ATF in Tucson
37:15My regulatory agency
37:18About this purchase cert
37:20My name is John Dodson
37:25I'm a special agent
37:26With the Bureau of Alcohol
37:27Tobacco and Firearms
37:28And law enforcement
37:29And the United States
37:30Department of Justice
37:31ATF is the Bureau
37:39Of Alcohol, Tobacco
37:40Firearms and Explosives
37:41But essentially
37:43What we are
37:43Is we are
37:44The violent crime branch
37:45Of the U.S. federal government
37:47Many times
37:54We would get a call
37:55From the gun dealer
37:56That would say
37:57Hey
37:57So and so is coming in
37:58He wants to buy
38:0020, 30, 40 AK variants
38:03All right
38:03Normally
38:04We would go out
38:06And investigate this
38:07We would go out
38:08And put a stop to this
38:09But
38:09You know
38:10The war on drugs
38:11Had been raging
38:11For a few years
38:12The new administration
38:13Had taken over
38:14It was decided
38:15To take firearms trafficking
38:17Investigations
38:17To the next level
38:18So the next day
38:25After I had faxed that
38:27Background check
38:28To my contact
38:29He had me come in
38:31Shortly after lunchtime
38:32And he said
38:33You know
38:33Your suspicions are right
38:34We checked into this person
38:36And he has known
38:37Associates in cartels
38:38We could use your help
38:42Would you mind helping us
38:44And I said
38:46Of course
38:46You know
38:47What would that entail
38:48He said
38:49We would like you
38:50To call him back
38:51And tell him
38:52When those 20 guns come
38:54And then maybe
38:54We will
38:55You know
38:56Surveil
38:57The purchase
38:58When he comes
38:59To get the guns
39:00And so forth
39:01We think
39:02We have a real chance
39:03Of taking out
39:03A powerful cartel
39:05And we need your help
39:06This was the actual
39:08Beginning of
39:09Operation Fast and Furious
39:11You were not even
39:13Informed about it
39:14Absolutely not
39:15This is a pretty big
39:16Government
39:16The United States
39:18Government
39:18I've got a lot
39:19Of moving parts
39:19This is Thursday evening
39:25Carlos Celaya
39:26Has just come to buy
39:28Naked pistol
39:29I made a little
39:30By surprise
39:31When he put a gun
39:32In my pocket
39:32So all the sales
39:38Happened right here
39:39In my living room
39:40And when I knew
39:41I had a purchaser
39:42Coming with Carlos
39:43Or if Carlos
39:44Was bringing
39:44A new associate
39:45I would set up
39:47Boxes of guns
39:48Right here in the living room
39:49And ATF
39:50My regulatory agency
39:52Would set up
39:54Audio recording
39:54Inside a box
39:55Of Kleenex
39:56The closest agent
40:03Sat 60 yards
40:05From my front door
40:06In his car
40:07And he listened
40:09Through a transmitter
40:10That works sporadically
40:13At best
40:14Come on
40:15Come
40:15Sorry about that
40:19What did you need
40:20Today?
40:20I need an AK pistol
40:22AK pistol
40:23Okay
40:23How much do those cost?
40:26I don't know
40:26I'll have to
40:27Look in the gun books
40:29And see how much
40:30Okay
40:31You want a 25?
40:32Yeah
40:33AR-15 cult
40:35Mm-hmm
40:36Are you going to get
40:37Some of those?
40:38Cult AR-15s?
40:40Uh-huh
40:40Oftentimes
40:41Carlos would bring
40:43A garbage bag
40:45That was full of cash
40:46Other times
40:47He brought
40:48A brick of money
40:50That was
40:50Vacuum packed
40:51In plastic
40:53And from there
40:56ATF
40:57The seven agents
40:58They would follow them
40:59To see where
41:01They were taking
41:01Those guns
41:02And then they would
41:03Literally have to
41:04Load up dollies
41:05What we call
41:06A cart
41:06Full of firearms boxes
41:08Right
41:08And wheel them
41:09Outside to their car
41:10Open the trunk
41:11Load them in there
41:12Then they'd drive away
41:14We would follow them
41:23They would drive
41:24Around the town
41:25Or city of phoenix
41:26They would meet up
41:26With another vehicle
41:27In a parking lot
41:28Or in a garage
41:29And we would let
41:35The guns go
41:35We were ordered
41:38To leave the guns
41:39And let them go
41:40We knew
41:46That they were headed south
41:47That they were going
41:48To Mexico
41:49And then we would wait
41:50Sometimes the next day
42:06We would get a trace result
42:07That firearm
42:08Had been used
42:09In a homicide
42:09In Mexico
42:10It shot up
42:11A birthday party
42:11It shot up
42:12A dance club
42:12One of those guns
42:14And the people
42:19In my office
42:20High-fived each other
42:21And celebrated
42:22That was good
42:23For their case
42:23I don't know how
42:26Their argument was
42:28Do you see
42:28These guns are being used
42:29By cartel
42:30In cartel violence
42:31But we were allowing
42:33It all to happen
42:34You take the United States
42:35Government
42:36Out of the equation
42:36These transactions
42:37Don't happen
42:38The guns don't go south
42:40And I asked
42:41Many times
42:42And I was told
42:44You don't understand
42:45You can't wrap your brain
42:46Around these complex
42:47Conspiracy investigations
42:49Right
42:49Literally
42:51I was told to shut up
42:52And do as I was told
42:54When I originally met
42:59With the big boss
42:59For the Tucson office
43:01He said
43:02We think
43:02It'll take us
43:03About three weeks
43:04To wrap this up
43:05Can you hang with us
43:07Well
43:08Three weeks
43:10Turned into three years
43:11And
43:12And so
43:13Literally sold
43:13Hundreds
43:14Of guns
43:15They're federal agents
43:19They've got it all figured out
43:21At some point in time
43:22They'll let me know
43:22And
43:23And
43:24I'll be clued in
43:25And I'll understand
43:26How this is all
43:27Going to work
43:27It sounded crazy
43:34It makes no sense
43:36That you would let
43:38A dangerous weapon
43:39Be sold
43:40To a dangerous group
43:41Of criminals
43:42Who will then use them
43:43To kill people
43:44And commit crimes
43:45In order to
43:47Catch a bad guy
43:48So that he won't
43:49Kill people
43:50And commit crimes
43:51The loop
43:52Just doesn't make sense
43:53But the whole thing
43:56Broke open
43:56And that kind of
43:58Blew the whole case
43:58Wide open
43:59A border agent has been gunned down
44:20Murdered in a late night shootout
44:21Just ten miles from the Arizona-Mexico border
44:23Four gunmen are in custody tonight
44:26And several more suspects
44:27Possibly connected to the shooting
44:28Are being hunted down
44:30But here's the question
44:31In 2010
44:31News came out
44:33About a border patrol agent
44:34That had been shot
44:35And killed
44:36Brian Terry
44:37Shot and killed
44:41In the field
44:41And rumors started immediately
44:44About something being wrong
44:48And
44:48My wife and I were having coffee
44:50On the couch
44:50And
44:52When we saw it on the news
44:54Both
44:54Of our stomachs sank
44:56And we looked at each other
44:57And asked out loud
44:59If somehow
45:00My agency
45:01Had been involved
45:02In the death
45:03Of an innocent border patrol agent
45:05We have some real challenges
45:06Secretary Napolitano
45:07Was already headed
45:09To the U.S.-Mexico border
45:10Southern Arizona
45:11Shortly thereafter
45:11I received a phone call
45:13In fact
45:14One of the firearms
45:14Recovered from the scene
45:15Had traced back
45:17To the case
45:17That we were working
45:18And it was like
45:19Your worst
45:20Your worst fear
45:22Had come through
45:23And
45:24Well
45:26The whole world changed
45:29And it was a pivotal moment
45:30Because
45:32The cat is out of the bag now
45:34As our ABC-15
45:37Investigators reported
45:38The guns used to kill Terry
45:40Were part of a botched
45:41Federal gun program
45:42Known as
45:43Operation Fast and Furious
45:45The world is about to find out
45:47That the United States government
45:49Was allowing guns
45:50To go into Mexico
45:51For some unknown reason
45:54It's called
45:55Letting guns walk
45:57I was reporting
45:58Almost daily online
46:00New revelations
46:01That were giving
46:01More and more credence
46:02To how big this operation was
46:04Cheryl, good morning
46:05Good morning, Jeff
46:07This is an extraordinary development
46:08It wasn't just Mike Detty
46:10We were able to learn
46:13That there were dozens of gun shops
46:15And I would go so far
46:16As to say many more
46:17Than we ever learned about
46:18In a letter
46:19The Justice Department
46:20Says the ATF
46:21Has never knowingly allowed
46:23The sale of assault weapons
46:24To suspected gun runners
46:26In the beginning
46:27The government said
46:28None of it was true
46:28Never happened
46:29John Dodson goes on television
46:32On the CBS Evening News
46:34You were intentionally
46:35Letting guns go to Mexico
46:36Yes, ma'am
46:39I mean, the agency was
46:40And after calling him a liar
46:43Enough evidence came through
46:45It started to look true
46:46The government then said
46:48Well, maybe ATF knew
46:50At headquarters
46:51But certainly
46:51The Department of Justice
46:53Which oversees ATF
46:55They knew nothing
46:56And
47:00It becomes this giant scandal
47:03Our Congress is actually
47:07An investigative branch of government
47:09So there were hearings
47:12And
47:13And here are the officials
47:14Being called in
47:15To Congress to testify
47:17And raise your right hands
47:20Who authorizes the justice?
47:24Mr. Chairman
47:25I do not know the answer
47:26To that question
47:26And the inspector general
47:27Is reviewing the matter
47:28Often still denying
47:29That they know much
47:30And finally
47:32Eric Holder
47:33The attorney general
47:34Is called in to testify
47:35Let me go to
47:40Operation Fast and Furious
47:41You mentioned in your testimony
47:43At this point
47:43I can say that
47:44It started in Arizona
47:45And I'm not at all certain
47:47Who beyond that
47:48Can be said
47:49To have been involved
47:50I think that
47:51In terms of knowledge
47:51Of the tactics
47:52As opposed to
47:53The operation itself
47:54I don't think
47:54That anybody in Washington
47:55Do about those tactics
47:57Until the beginning
47:57Then I got documents
48:00That showed
48:00Eric Holder
48:01Had been briefed weekly
48:02That means
48:04A letter holder's office
48:05Sent Congress
48:06Last February
48:07Denying gun walking
48:08Was wrong
48:09What I said
48:10Is it contains
48:10Inaccurate information
48:11Well
48:13Isn't that false?
48:15Well false
48:16I don't want to quibble
48:17With you
48:17But false
48:18I think implies
48:19People making
48:21A decision
48:24To deceive
48:25The next thing
48:26That came out
48:27Was
48:27Well maybe
48:28Eric Holder
48:29Was briefed
48:30But first of all
48:30He didn't read
48:31His briefings
48:32And second of all
48:33The White House
48:33Never knew
48:34You were not even
48:39Informed about it
48:39Absolutely not
48:40This is a pretty big
48:41Government
48:41The United States
48:43Government
48:43I've got a lot
48:44Of moving parts
48:44I did not authorize it
48:46Eric Holder
48:47The attorney general
48:48Did not authorize it
48:49He's been very clear
48:50That our policy
48:52Is to catch gun runners
48:54And put them into jail
48:55Then we got documents
48:57That showed communications
48:58Among White House officials
49:00About these gun walking operations
49:02And at that point
49:03That's when the government
49:05Declared executive privilege
49:07And we could never get
49:08All the documents
49:09Or understand
49:10What they talked about
49:11Or how far that went
49:13At the highest level
49:13Those documents
49:15The ones that were provided
49:17Were all blacked out
49:18Supposedly for
49:19National security reasons
49:21Our policy
49:22Is to ramp up
49:24The interdiction
49:26Of guns flowing south
49:28Because that's contributing
49:29To some of the
49:30Security problems
49:31That are taking place
49:31In Mexico
49:32And there may be
49:33A situation here
49:34In which a serious
49:35Mistake was made
49:36If that's the case
49:38Then we'll find out
49:39And we'll hold somebody
49:40Mexico was not informed
49:41Then
49:41So the list is
49:42No one
49:44Absolutely no one
49:47No one has ever been
49:48Punished
49:50Prosecuted
49:51Charged
49:52Nothing
49:55At least
49:562,400
49:57Almost 2,500
49:59Firearms
49:59That I know of
50:00We facilitated
50:02The trafficking of
50:03And to date
50:04As far as I know
50:05Five or six hundred
50:07Have been recovered
50:08After countless murders
50:10Countless homicides
50:12Countless lives
50:13Ruined
50:14All right
50:15Done
50:16On both sides
50:18Of the border
50:18And the worst part is
50:23How many people
50:24Can a well-organized
50:27Well-armed
50:27Well-equipped
50:28Criminal organization
50:29Slaughter with
50:311,900 firearms
50:32Over the next
50:3310 or 20 years
50:34How many
50:35To this day
50:43We have no idea
50:44What it was so important
50:46To them to keep hidden
50:47They're never going to
50:48Release those documents
50:49It's been years
50:49And we can only guess
50:52As to what's so important
50:53Of there
50:53That they don't want us
50:54To see
50:54When we saw that
50:57The vast bulk
50:59Of the guns
51:00From Fast and Furious
51:01Operation
51:02Happened to turn up
51:03As I found
51:04In the hands
51:05Of the Sinaloa cartel
51:06What are the odds
51:09Even though that is
51:10A large cartel
51:11That so many
51:12Almost all the guns
51:13Would show up
51:14At crime scenes
51:15With the Sinaloa cartel
51:16And not the others
51:18I believe
51:21Based on some other sources
51:23That I had
51:24The United States
51:25Was also using
51:26This program
51:26As a way to arm
51:28The Sinaloa cartel
51:29Against what they viewed
51:31As a more harmful cartel
51:32The Zeta cartel
51:34I was told
51:37That at the time
51:38The government
51:39Thought the Zeta cartel
51:40Was more dangerous
51:41To our national interest
51:42In a way
51:43That the Sinaloa's weren't
51:44Or maybe in a less
51:45Predictable way
51:46So perhaps
51:47Here they were
51:48Arming
51:49Picking sides
51:50Picking the lesser
51:51Of the evils
51:51And helping arm
51:52One side against the other
51:53The United States
51:58Was arming
51:59The least bad
52:00Of the bad guys
52:01In Mexico
52:02For our national interest
52:03Back to this Fox News alert
52:10As a rifle
52:11Strong enough
52:12To take down
52:12A helicopter
52:13Was found
52:14In El Chapo's hideout
52:16Now one of those
52:17Which you see here
52:18Was sold through
52:20Fast and Furious
52:22With the approval
52:23Of the US government
52:24If we see the map
52:29Of the organizations
52:30Del narcotráfico
52:31Now in 2022
52:32De esos seis grandes carteles
52:36Que había en la época de Calderón
52:39Subsiste uno
52:40El de Sinaloa
52:41Los otros desaparecieron
52:44El Chapo Guzmán
52:47Estaba perdiendo
52:48Lucidez
52:51El Chapo Guzmán
52:53Quería
52:55Hacer
52:56Una película
52:57¿Quién carajos
53:00De la DEA
53:00Quería que
53:01El Chapo Guzmán
53:02Contara
53:03La verdadera historia
53:04De su vida
53:05De pronto
53:06El Chapo Guzmán
53:07Se convirtió
53:07En un estorbo
53:08Para todos
53:09Para el Mayo
53:10Para la DEA
53:11Para el gobierno
53:12De Estados Unidos
53:13Entonces era necesario
53:15Callarle la boca
53:35El Chapo Guzmán
53:50El Chapo Guzmán
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